STEAM IS BEING SUED FOR $800 MILLION

[@MeWhne]

"Unfairly shutting down competition for PC games." Steam literally never engaged in anti competitive practices, unlike Epic Games which pays game developers to have their games be exclusive to their launcher.

[@Not_interestEd-]

Epic even emailed Valve basically saying "please stop being a good service and charge your customers more or we'll sue you" to which someone at Valve CC'd the email to Gabe with the attached note "You mad bro?" Unbelievably based. Edit: just saw the original clip of it, it wasn't some random at Valve, _it was the COO._ Edit 2: since I've noticed some people asking for a link, I must apologise and confirm links don't like this site. If you're curious, find a video titled "Valve Is Unfathomably Based" by Asmongold Clips.

[@shadowmaster435]

@@Not_interestEd- source? (what to look up in a youtube tab in incognito mode to find it, because yt hates links sometimes)

[@wandering_user2]

EG is such a fucked company and this guy was defending them, wild. "Decent game launcher" kiss my ass, it would ignore my setting to STOP notifying me about fortnite every 2 fucking minutes. Also, paying devs to be exclusive is the worst practice I've seen in a while. They spite steam and their only goal is to overtake steam. They deserve to never be profitable.

[@jonathanjuarez5544]

Don't mind me, just waiting for the inevitable EG fanboys to blindly defend their billion dollar company's anti competition practices.

[@Xada35]

They kinda have, with the Steam workshop.

[@pumaplays6143]

“Abusing its dominant position.” Well Vicki, if every other company stopped shooting itself in the foot trying to be greedy. We would have more platforms but that’s never gonna happen.

[@Fnafan97]

It’s hard not to be a monopoly if your competitors suck at their jobs lololol

[@dylanisntvibing]

Literally the definition of a natural monopoly in a way. Steam has been around for over 2 decades and is objectively better and more efficient than its competition. It's not that they abused their position to get here, it's that every other alternative has shot themselves in the foot or is effectively worse than steam, so naturally Steam becomes the go-to platform and dominates the market, simply because it's the only reliable and effective choice

[@SinisterBlitzo9]

​@@Fnafan97it's hard to loose when everyone else is loosing

[@magnusm4]

As if every single company in the entire world, especially in the US, doesn't abuse the smallest spec of any dominate position in an industry. You have dozens of companies to use for this. Multiple companies in a mafia agreement to manipulate the market. But you chose to focus so much on one of the nicest big wigs out there. Why not sue Ubisoft for manipulative agreement terms that you can only read AFTER you've bought the product which cites them as allowed to take away your use of their product. Or the insane amount of unpaid over time and crunch at big tech companies like Konami. Why Valve of all companies?

[@sophieedel6324]

The claim is that Steams abuses its position by telling game makers they can not offer games cheaper than the price on Steam on other platforms. If that is true, Valve is abusing the market, price agreements like that are illegal.

[@ZoofyZoof]

Valve isn't doing anything to destroy its competition. The so called "competition" aren't putting in any effort whatsoever to deliver a product that is even close to the same quality as Steam.

[@Jasonwithadot]

The only thing Steam is doing is being a better platform

[@XD-sc4ix]

FR and unless something weird happens they're not gonna win against valve anyway

[@HiItsMars]

Bro using steam and quality in the same sentence lol

[@Not_interestEd-]

​@@HiItsMars name me a better platform then, I'll wait. Edit- Yoo we got a keyboard warrior in the replies! He hates Steam for being a "monopoly" and I guess prefers Epic? I dunno.

[@ZoofyZoof]

@@HiItsMars Yes, I and just about everyone believe Steam is high quality. It's excellently designed and not lacking any actually important features. It's user friendly and gives refunds.

[@KyrieFortune]

"Abusing its dominant position" it literally never has, never stopped anyone from releasing elsewhere and it doesn't decide the prices "Overcharging UK consumers" SOMEONE HAS NEVER HEARD OF AUSTRALIA

[@sylvester2395]

The triple As cost triple dollar sign down here

[@rynobehnke8289]

I mean they do they set the lowest price a game can be sold at at any platform most not be lower than the one its currently on Steam via there ToS. Wouldn't your answer not only mean that they overcharging Australia worse and not that they don't do it to the UL at all?

[@serch3ster]

Valve doesnt set game prices, the developer does that.

[@rynobehnke8289]

@@serch3ster I mean as I said they might not set the prices them self but they absolutely set the minimum price for the competition as you can't sell a game on steam and than cheaper on another platform.

[@huntersuper98]

@@rynobehnke8289 Well I mean yea, that just makes sense.

[@williamsmith6921]

Valve gives an insane amount of features for developers, they earn that 30% easily. Cloud saves, achievements, P2P networking, controller support, secure items market and inventory, beta branch system, your own personal forum for your game, game streaming so people can play your game from any device and play local co-op with friends remotely, proton so that Linux users can play your game with no porting work. The list just goes on.

[@gyanchandbharti2612]

Yeah no one really has an idea what that woman is yapping on about

[@cc3]

most indie game developers (the ones mostly affected by this) don't use most of those features and are still hit with the 30%.

[@MrEntaray]

I can almost smell the greed. She isn't suing to make it better for us, she's suing to take it to the bank.

[@wrongthinker843]

Typical politician.

[@boryolmung9548]

I think it's more of a consumer advocacy group being out of touch. Like, Marketplaces that sell digital goods (like steam) and streaming services are rare examples of competition is bad for the consumer. It's streaming movies are better when Netflix is the basically only service or everyone under the sun has a own services like it's today? I know competition is the heart of the healty free-market but this is a weird exception. Also their say Valve is inflate prices in the FAQ page even though developers and publishers itself put the prices.

[@Xahnel]

Which is why she'll lose.

[@PainfullySoberAndUnhinged]

Yep​@@wrongthinker843

[@randomstranger_3]

I think she's been paid by other competitors to sue valve.

[@tayzonday]

She should sue Valve for never making new games in their popular franchises 😡

[@FantasmaNaranja]

i guess CS2 just doesnt count now? edit fellas scroll down a bit to see my reply to agent john thank you very much for your time dont reply to me or you will hear from my lawyers

[@Mai.Calico]

FixTF2?

[@Agent-John]

@@FantasmaNaranja CS2 is not a sequel. It’s just an update.

[@mss490]

I’m unironically on board just on the hilarious offchance we get a legal precident to bully other major studios into doing stuff with their IP, too, so we can Make Gaming Great Again.™️

[@FantasmaNaranja]

@@Agent-John they gave it a whole 2 in the title and everything! if anything call it a remake not an update if it was an update it'd have as many maps as it used to not less

[@Madlad123]

You’re telling me that they’re complaining over steam prices which go up to 90% off and every game goes on sale pretty much every month???

[@randomlittleidot]

i dont think thats what they’re complaining about

[@tayzonday]

I know, right? I have not even played 2/3 of the impulse buys in my Steam library.

[@zedoctor_]

@@tayzondaycant believe i just caught a reply in the wild from the chocolate rain guy lmao

[@javalua]

they probably also buy winrar

[@eymenthug]

Chocolate rain ​@@tayzonday

[@speedywater]

this situation feels similar to something that happened in vietnam, where local viet distributors/viet game companies complained about steam being better than them, so they got salty and reported the viet authorities that "steam is selling innapropriate games, doesnt pay tax, and sells bootleg games!!!!!! (total lie???)" and then steam got banned in vietnam (oversimplified but you get the point)

[@ChesterManfred]

They straight up just bit the hand that feeds them. How salty must they really be about Steam being better than them

[@valerie5780]

"bootleg game" oh isnt that vng and vtc?

[@speedywater]

@@valerie5780 ding ding ding ding

[@hosam2257]

Doesnt steam supports vietnames languagr and region?

[@terrarian7910]

I’m currently in Vietnam right now, every time I try to open the store page I get error 102. You’re able to access your current library though.

[@itryen7632]

Why not sue KZbin for making their product worse day by day?

[@murica7977]

Probably bc stake holders and advertisers want this so obv its not a problem, its a feature :/

[@EeveeRealSenpai]

Who's gonna win against KZbin lawyers?

[@laerte5983]

@@EeveeRealSenpaiit’s like facing the disney lawyer

[@iknowdawae893]

i wanna see the "gabe newell does nothing and wins" meme again

[@vreikezen8268]

I mean, gabe has been doing nothing for years and somehow winning

[@dijital4801]

@@vreikezen8268 tbf its not like steam has needed much in the way of updating it just works so the occasional UI change change as well as other minor updates is all they really need

[@BronzeAgePepper]

​​​​@@vreikezen8268 yeah if Gabe started taking more L's maybe there's a snowball's chance in hell he'd get off his Heavy-sized ass and make/fix the games his loyal fans have been demanding him to do. In all that time he's done nothing countless friends have passed away or gotten married with kids before HL got a real sequel, and he's like "we'll get to it eventually," nah bro you're a full-time PC game library merchant now. Which I guess makes sense when, like the video said, those constant sales put you far ahead of everyone else and your platform is the only one that doesn't suck ass. Thanks for the Steam Deck though that's a pretty nice device, and sorry your first attempt at VR since splitting off from HTC got totally mogged by that creep Zucc, maybe you'll get em next time but please fucking fix TF2 matchmaking from being literally unplayable first.

[@ChesterManfred]

Welcome to Team Fortress 2. After nine years in development, hopefully it has been worth the wait

[@Victor-056]

@@BronzeAgePepper Not just TF2... CS2 as well. Heck, Rumor has it that Deadlock's Network tests had them suffer Bot attacks during the trials! The problem is Valve not updating the VAC system, which hasn't been updated in over a decade!

[@EarthyOSC]

Ok, overcharging 14 million pc gamers is insane, but what's even more insane is that they are getting sued for almost *1 BILLION DOLLARS.*

[@Xport9]

UK just want money. It's clear that their economy is trash right now if they are THIS desperate in trying to sue Valve.

[@MasterGameBen]

that's 70$ per person

[@monsterupdatewhen]

yeah i just feel like this lawsuit isn't gonna go anywhere, i really don't believe steam ever overprices anything considering the amount of stuff that goes on sale there -also OSC spotted-

[@vivious_]

thats nothing for them lol

[@TheOGLime]

@@monsterupdatewhen Yeah, the sales are basically 90% off most of the time lol

[@The_Red_Spy_TF2]

As a steam user in the UK, I have no fuckin clue what she's on about the prices are fine

[@vadom2214]

I play steam game in UK, and what the actual f*ck is she on? giving money 800 million for one person???

[@mrbarit529]

As a steam user in the UK, I validate this comment through peer-review

[@santocuban7086]

think she's just suing them for profit, and that's it. I don't think she actually cares about PC gaming users

[@Megalania1]

Same 😭

[@nophone9311]

Go compare prices in GBP and then in Dollars. It is by a small percentage but the games are more expensive in the UK.

[@checkmate9099]

Translation: “Steam has too much of a Monopoly, and we want a piece of the pie”

[@hyper1-k6f]

"every competition is too shit to make steam not seem like a monopoly so i want money"

[@EeveeRealSenpai]

"We're too lazy to make a better than half-baked product, so give us some of your hard earned money."

[@Fmac117]

steam might be the single most pro-consumer digital service i've ever used in my life

[@gondorianslayer4250]

Not really

[@ciaranproductions5773]

​@@gondorianslayer4250why's that?

[@Pyrodiac]

@@gondorianslayer4250 Well you don't know what the commenter has or hasn't used so you can't say that for them.

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

And thus it must be erased. Can’t have good examples to compare to our awful decisions!

[@Spubbily01]

I mean it's a private business. Coincidence?

[@chris_3934]

One good example why steam is just better is that they WANT to support other platforms. Steam has done so much for the Linux community that without them we would have like 100 games and not like 15k. Epic Games REFUSES to even let Linux users try to run their games and the install preventions into their games that prevent them from running even if they could, just because they don't want Linux to succeed (this is not exaggerated, the CEO said it himself on twitter)

[@hafirenggayuda]

Wtf? Why? First time I heard it (never bother to read news about Epic) I thought they only have greed and exclusivity

[@chris_3934]

@@hafirenggayuda The reason the CEO gave is that if linux succeeds, more people will go to linux and use steam more, which is true but not a reason to gatekeep. Steam heavily invests into linux, working on very important compatibility tools and even drivers for free and open source, so more people on linux use steams software and their client because its just the best experience. Of course, steam does not do it because they are so nice guys but because they have a long ongoing beef with windows (and apple also) because they don't really want to help steam and often try to make their lives harder, so by investing into linux, a completely open source and independent platform, they can use this power to make more money (steam deck for example)

[@chris_3934]

@@hafirenggayuda The reason the CEO gave is that if linux succeeds, more people will go to linux and use steam more, which is true but not a reason to gatekeep. Steam heavily invests into linux, working on very important compatibility tools and even drivers for free and open source, so more people on linux use steams software and their client because its just the best experience. Of course, steam does not do it because they are so nice guys but because they have a long ongoing beef with windows (and apple also) because they don't really want to help steam and often try to make their lives harder, so by investing into linux, a completely open source and independent platform, they can use this power to make more money (steam deck for example). And another reason is of course that they are making themselves more independent of other big companies (had to send again because KZbin doesn't show my comment for some reason)

[@asuperrandomguy8266]

​@@hafirenggayudabecause it's too much work for then to support Linux apparently

[@Spearra]

​@@asuperrandomguy8266And shit like this is why Steam is kicking their asses. Want to beat Steam? Guess what? That takes work. If they don't wanna put in the work and get curb stomped, that's their own damn fault 😂

[@60sebastian]

This is fraudulent. Steam games go on sale so often and huge titles can be extremely cheap. There is no monopoly here.

[@xgcsurreal2608]

For all intents and purposes Steam is a monopoly. But they know that by being nice and not exploiting their userbase for every dime and nickel they can squeeze out of them, they ensure steady monetary gain over the long term, plus a loyal consumer base. So they are indeed a monopoly but at least a benevolent one.

[@lebronjames-eb4pe]

@@xgcsurreal2608 they aren't a monopoly though a monopoly is a company that is the ONLY thing that you could buy from so they abuse that. However valve is not a monopoly because there are alternatives. read a dictionary; never mind he says it in the video.

[@vreikezen8268]

@@xgcsurreal2608It’s funny, gaming is basically the last media where I’d expect a somewhat fair monopoly

[@shadowsonicsilver6]

@@xgcsurreal2608 Okay, but Gabe has already told the competition how to defeat his company... and that is by being more available and less greedy to their consumer base, and the competition refuses to listen.

[@ibraheemshuaib8954]

​@shadowsonicsilver6 Gabe: "Have this gun, now shoot me" other companies: shoots themselves instead

[@gp-1542]

Mate The industry is shooting itself constantly Steam is’t “abusing its dominant position” Its the *only* good position

[@Xada35]

Steam feels overated nowdays but yeah. The lawsuit doesn't feel like has much ground.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@Xada35 Not really overrated, if this is *the best* we have. Like yeah, it can be better, but there is no better alternative.

[@Xada35]

Yes there is. There is GOG and Itch io. They have better deal for both players and developers. Hence why i quit using Steam.@@alexturnbackthearmy1907

[@gondorianslayer4250]

No it not

[@Xada35]

There is GOG and Itch io.@@alexturnbackthearmy1907

[@homelessperson5455]

Valve has always remembered the #1 rule of business: Keep the customers happy. Valve does not have a monopoly by force, they are a rare case of a king ruling with the support of literally everyone from every class. If others provided alternatives that were of comparative quality to Steam's services, they'd have less market dominance. The solution to entering the market's "game" isn't to cry like a baby and demand the best player be suspended for being good, it's to play better and provide better service. People often say "make it and they shall come." Well guess what. Y'all haven't made shit. Only Valve has.

[@dominicpond]

Kinda like Nvidia's GPU's there are other companies, but none match Nvidia, just because of how good they are.

[@yyzttr6306]

Steam: *Does good and sets the bar high* Competitors: GRAHH NO!!! I CANT BELIVE STEAM IS FOLLOWING THE IDEA OF A CAPITALISTIC SOCIETY GRAH!!

[@SoulHero7]

Steam is being sued for doing Capitalism right and not being scummy.

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

It’s funny how often people whine about how awful capitalism is, while not understanding that the horrible practices they see today are the results of capitalism without any of its inherent checks and balances in place. In fact, trying to practice _actual_ capitalism now earns you a quick trip to defamation station as you get bombarded from seemingly random directions out of thin air, all definitely caused by angry individuals and not paid actors.

[@HumanoidDerpling]

Considering how much communism and marxism are infiltrating our culture, this is sadly not a surprise.

[@yukitakaoni007]

Public shareholders is just Shock Therapy in USSR. Your stuff got butchered and sold off to the greediest wanker who only care about money.

[@cuuurlyfries5246]

As someone from the uk, and have been threatened with being sued, it’s really just councils and the way people think nowadays here in Britain. If something isn’t done the way someone else wants it, you get sued. I’m trying to build my house but I’ve been threatened because I want a second story in my bungalow and my neighbors don’t want to lose their 6 inches of sunlight. This is normal for us and it sucks.

[@woketacha6112]

isn't it gloomy in Britain on a good day anyway?

[@cuuurlyfries5246]

@@woketacha6112 a good day? Not many of those left. We get good days when we are NOT in Britain.

[@jonathand.t.5051]

When did the UK start emulating the US again? Brexit? Or was it post-Thatcher?

[@cuuurlyfries5246]

@@jonathand.t.5051 it started when incapable old idiots ran the continents and created laws that made everyone’s lives harder but made them richer. Soooo… just after Obama and Cameron?

[@shiny-piplup]

@@cuuurlyfries5246last time I went to Britain some werewolf dude was chopping up dead body’s and said I was going to turn into a beast very scary I hope your safe

[@bigfella4546]

So this means we'll also sue Epic for being anti-competitive by paying companies to make their games exclusive to Epic? No, of course it doesn't. Steam is automatically bad just because they're the big guy.

[@gondorianslayer4250]

So epic can't compete? So everything has to be steam exclusive? That's a monopoly

[@bigfella4546]

@@gondorianslayer4250 Can you read? At what point did I say anything should be exclusive to Steam? I said that Epic should not pay companies to make games exclusive to EGS. Explain how that makes me pro monopoly.

[@ChesterManfred]

"Pls Steam give money because big," but all the examples they put are freaking lies

[@thesithofearth3617]

​@@gondorianslayer4250no. Epic are the ones that are making stuff exclusive

[@gondorianslayer4250]

@@bigfella4546 rememebr steam fanboys wnat no comeptition like disney.

[@justyeet2775]

So are you telling me companies can force me to install their stores to play the games I own on steam, AND IS STEAM THE ONE WHO FORCES COMPETITION TO CLOSE

[@neonoah3353]

You "own", but thats not really a problem yet.

[@Anathematise]

You don't even own anything on steam. Once steam is gone, or whatever, you'll lose your entire library.

[@HyacinthPlane]

​@@Anathematise Steam has an emergency program that installs the launcher into your computer if the website goes under. So unless you lose your data, you'll still have the games that you've downloaded.

[@Warfoki]

@@Anathematise Same goes with every other digital storefront though, as the closure of Funimation showed recently. Unfortunately, that's the norm with digital goods in general.

[@superboxes69]

​@@Anathematiseso basically the same with everything that is online and not a physical object? What point are you trying to make?

[@ABaumstumpf]

30% is the BASELINE and open for negotiations from the getgo. Publishers flocked to steam cause it was a lot cheaper than selling physical copies, and cheaper than developing and maintaining their own online shop. And for that valve provides a lot of services. On Crepic you don't even get a forum for your game. Heck Crepic even RELIES on the public free APIs that Valve is providing with Steam. And really 30% is not much. There are games that are a decade old that still have thousands of active online players - with steam providing the lobby, matchmaking, cloud-saving, achievement-system etc still for free. Those things are not cheap to provide (hence why crepic and co don't have them).

[@cc3]

it's not open to negotiations unless you're a big studio that can fulfill their quotas. 30% is a lot of money when most indie developers don't use many of the steamworks features yet have to use steam as it's industry standard. It's like google saying they deserve 30% of your income because they're the ones directing people to your website. it's not quite the same because valve will host the physical files, but developers already have to pay $100 just to put their game on steam. Valve is very consumer friendly generally, but it's indie devs are left with no choice but to lose out on 30% of their income for a service that doesn't cost valve more than a few cents.

[@ABaumstumpf]

@@cc3 "it's not open to negotiations unless you're a big studio that can fulfill their quotas." No, not even close. You can negotiate it and for big companies with good sales-numbers it gets lowered AUTOMATICALLY. "It's like google saying they deserve 30% of your income because" No it is not.

[@cc3]

​@@ABaumstumpf you can't negotiate it. I don't know where you're reading otherwise, as someone who has gone through this process and know many more who have, I've never heard of any indie developer getting special treatment. The numbers you are speaking are in the millions of sales, the exact number is not written down but I know of people with nearly $5M in sales that have not received any sort of reduction. The second comparison is a bit wild from me, I admit, but google is another company that we accept as a monopoly because their service is far superior to it's competitors. for the vast majority of games on the steam store, the only things steam hosts are the storefront, the downloads, the DRM, the discussions, and the automated steam support. We (as developers) pay a $100 fee to put it on the steam store already, so this 30% just comes off as greedy. I agree with the way the current system works but the size of steams cut is cheeky. They've only got away with having their cut so high because they can get away with it, and other storefronts such are currently facing similar lawsuits. Why now? because it's taken this long for anybody to bother doing anything about it. The apple lawsuit set a precedent and now we (as consumers and developers) may see the reward. I'm a huge fan of valve and everything they've done but don't forget, they're a company focused on profits like any other.

[@ABaumstumpf]

@@cc3 "you can't negotiate it. I don't know where you're reading otherwise, as someone who has gone through this process and know many more who have" You might want to read what you are signing up for? I really cant help you if you are not able to read. "getting special treatment" Negotiating and being treated specially are 2 entirely different things. If you think you magically will have to pay nothing - yeah not gonna happen. "for the vast majority of games on the steam store, the only things steam hosts are the storefront, the downloads, the DRM, the discussions, and the automated steam support. " Ah, so "only" the vast majority of running costs. yeah. Go tell me how much cheaper it is to sell it in a physical store while you are at it already. "because it's taken this long for anybody to bother doing anything about it." That is not bothering about it - that is being an entitled moronic arsehole. Nobody forces you to sell your game on steam. Steam does not force you to sell exclusively on their platform. You can sell it any way you like but running all those services costs money. A good example would be crepic-store: constantly in the red despite offering just a fraction of the services.

[@speed3414]

​@@cc3i just want to clarify, Valve will return you those $100 when your games makes at least ~$1000 of revenue

[@ezraf.7759]

Blizzard has a PC launcher, you know the company that wont let you delete your account without SHOWING ID. To say the competition blows is an unserstatement.

[@goob1in606]

i mean i can see why it asks for proof that's its you before you can delete it but like that is so easily done with what some would call an email

[@emberguard5009]

@@goob1in606 Or just ask you to confirm you wish to go through with it. That way if you leave the computer unattended you have time to catch it

[@AgrimarYT]

Most services (such as Discord) and I presume even Steam puts your account on a waiting list to give time for the owner to change their mind whether it's actually them or not, I don't see why Blizzard couldn't do the same.

[@shadowslayer205]

Blizzard has a PC launcher?

[@AgrimarYT]

@@shadowslayer205 Yea, though it's not required for launching and playing the game; but is kinda needed to keep games up-to-date.

[@UmbraMG]

30% Isn't that high, isn't Roblox's cut like 70-80%?

[@onefor2]

On roblox it depends but yeah, roblox is significantly higher than steams

[@SakhotGamer]

Roblox is a professional user exploitation website, don't use them as a base line for anything lol

[@palisko]

​@@SakhotGamer yes, this is why I dont play roblox anymore

[@user-fe7bo5mm1o]

roblox taxes like crazy on everything

[@beanman853]

its quite high for a digital download

[@W3tFloorSign]

Vicki looks like the type of person to say that video games cause violence, not like i have any evidence to back it up, but she just looks like she would.

[@ChesterManfred]

And she'd make up her own proof

[@catalyst9955]

this comment is really well written holy shit

[@Beano__]

@@catalyst9955 Huh. It's basic grammar

[@kassandraofodyssey6475]

@@Beano__ Which, spoiler alert, not a lot of people online have good grammar.

[@no-bark4112]

@kassandraofodyssey6475 The grammar isn't even correct. There should be a period, and "not" should be capitalized.

[@Dannybythebanana]

Valve is a private company, I will always believe private companies do way better than publicly traded companies. Shareholders want money, you don't deal with shareholders in a private company.

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

It’s a very plain pattern. Company makes good products, does well, accrues fame and goodwill, then goes public and immediately pisses in, on, and around every aspect that got them up to that point. Going public is how you initiate a good business’s self-destruct sequence.

[@anhondacivic6541]

​@OneBiasedOpinion and to prove your point you just have to look at unity

[@Valkaze111]

Shareholders sucks

[@hehehehe_hah]

you can see with roblox too, ever since they got very popular, investors just make shitty decisions no one in the community ever asked or wanted. So its kinda like "we'll make sure you wont have to worry about money again but we'll take control of it"

[@memes_gbc674]

same shit that's happening with costco, the ceo is insisting on keeping the 1.50 hotdog and drink combo at that price until the day he dies

[@ThePC007]

*Correction:* Epic doesn’t have a decent game launcher. It lags so much that I use Epic’s website to collect their freebies and the Heroic Launcher to play them, and it constantly keeps logging me out and bugging out when I try to log back in. I can’t comprehend what’s so difficult about developing a launcher that isn’t a nightmare to use, lol.

[@Coconut-219]

@@lunasakara7306 and Valve is kind of undoing all that hard work with these crappy new updates that make SteamClient run like hot garbage. (Horribly bad optimized HTML5)

[@gondorianslayer4250]

​@@lunasakara7306your a bully

[@duckyduckington9736]

@@gondorianslayer4250 you're*

[@Boomrainbownuke9608]

@@gondorianslayer4250 go back to school

[@ThePC007]

@@lunasakara7306 Well, yeah, but none of those companies are poor. They all have the resources to create a proper launcher if they want to, but they just… don’t. I just cannot imagine it being so difficult to create a user interface that doesn’t horribly lag on modern hardware. They just stubbornly refuse to do so and wonder why no one dares to switch.

[@handlesarecringe957]

Valve is like, the _least_ greedy for profit company in existence. Their business strategy consists of doing absolutely nothing while the competition greeds themselves to death.

[@strider029]

I've been into 2 sides of the coin (both as a consumer and as a solo developer) and all I can say is you don't see the greed in the consumer side, but the 30% cut of Steam is definitely a thorn for developers/publisher's side. This is the reason why devs, regardless if Indie, AA or AAA companies are raising their prices on PC, to offset Valve's cut.

[@TrueFlameslinger]

​@@strider029 I won't invalidate your experience, but I've heard the opposite from some devs/publishers because of just how much Steam does (handling server costs, remote "couch co-op," 0% cut on Steam Keys, absorbing Demo game costs, hosting forums, etc)

[@wesleyward5901]

There are many, *many* problems in the UK at the moment, but Steam isn't one of them.. I really wish these people would use their time and money for actually important issues.

[@Charlie-nm1kg]

You too huh

[@YuriLectrice]

@@Charlie-nm1kg wdym "You too huh"

[@ahereticsdoomvideos3216]

I think the lack of competition is because Steam's launcher is genuinely better than everyone else since it aims to provide a better service than even Pirating the games

[@joshriley2936]

And that's because Valve understands what piracy truly boils down to the most: a service issue.

[@king_poyo64]

@@joshriley2936I have never pirated a game that was on steam, only really ROMs of old games they don’t sell anymore. Basically of it not on steam, and 5+ years old unavailable anywhere else, I hit the high seas.

[@ibraheemshuaib8954]

​@@joshriley2936Yep, the only reason I pirate is cause I straight up don't have a bank account, but I'd definitely pay for the games I've pirated the moment it's possible.

[@gondorianslayer4250]

No competition is bad

[@gondorianslayer4250]

​@@joshriley2936Nintendo won't be on steam

[@Wbfuhn]

Steam doesn't overcharge. They set the price. They have sales multiple times a year. Holiday sales, special sales, etc. I don't see this lawsuit working.

[@ibraheemshuaib8954]

Steam also provides local pricing, so countries with worse economies have to pay less to buy games.

[@gondorianslayer4250]

They do.

[@BrewsLament]

@@gondorianslayer4250 proof? i keep seeing you in other comments just basically going "nuh uh", i dont think ive seen you give any actual evidence aside from just throwing out the opposite opinion of everyone else in the comment and im curious if you actually hold opinions or just merely wish to be a contrarian

[@LoraLoibu]

@@ibraheemshuaib8954 iirc the developers do that, but steam does automatically convert into whatever currency you're using if there's not a manually set price

[@Boomrainbownuke9608]

@@BrewsLament its just too hard for their pea sized brain to comprehend. they cant put the time to provide actual evidence for their statements. that requires actual intelligence.

[@xallehatesshorts]

last time i've checked, Valve didn't force publishers to put their game ONLY on their site. In fact, they even let them to use shitty third party DRM/"Stores"/Accounts for their games (and in many cases i wish they didn't)

[@gondorianslayer4250]

They did.

[@theblackoutexplorer2658]

@@gondorianslayer4250didn’t*

[@duckyduckington9736]

@@gondorianslayer4250 proof?

[@Pyrodiac]

@@gondorianslayer4250 Ok... example? You can't just throw something out and expect us to believe that without any proof or examples.

[@LoraLoibu]

@@gondorianslayer4250 my dude you have the burden of proof

[@johnpett1955]

Saying that customers have paid too much is a bold statement to a company that allows you to refund your games within 2 hours of playing and puts their games on sale for real cheap.

[@hiddenmustache6422]

Not only 2 hours of playtime but after a whole month or two of having that game ur likely to still get ur refund

[@memes_gbc674]

@@hiddenmustache6422 and if you bought it right before a sale happened they could refund you the game so you can buy it at the new price

[@OofRGang]

@@hiddenmustache6422 14 days of owning or 2 hours of playtime, any more than either and i dont think you can get refunds

[@CentreMetre]

Instead of going after perfectly decent companies, why not sue the government for its arguably malicious incompetency over the past 10+ years

[@dimsthedimwit600]

That will bring change, and change is bad and evil

[@kodelash]

they will use the money to fix their teeth

[@Xport9]

Which probably never.

[@TeaCupsTeaPots]

ah yes the most relevant information

[@ElementalAer]

Nah, more tea for her.

[@Shedmundsss11]

We actually have better dental hygiene then America but we do have wonky teeth

[@TeaCupsTeaPots]

@@Shedmundsss11 pretty sure the wonky teeth is just natural...

[@reportedbooch697]

Wonder how this is gonna affect the whole FixTF2 movement.

[@sargentflippy9941]

It doesn’t lol

[@dantecontreras887]

@sargentflippy9941 Valve made TF2, and if the lawsuit screws Valve then that means no more TF2

[@sargentflippy9941]

@@dantecontreras887 assuming if it goes through (which it likely wont because the case is horrible)

[@yeetdabeans3883]

​@@dantecontreras887there is no way valve would pull the plug on tf2, the deletion of so many expensive items would crash the economies of csgo and others

[@SmartCreeper]

@@dantecontreras887 valve isn't going bankrupt if they lost

[@josiahbirt9430]

The website for the lawsuit also uses obviously AI-gen images on their "the claim" and "about us" pages

[@secretname2670]

Lowest of the low quality shitposts. A meme so bad to defeat steam. Will they succeed?

[@amprobaconhair2722]

Remember when Epic Games paid Google like crazy so that when you searched "Apex Legends" it showed you "Fortnite" instead? That'd be a good thing to sue about, y'know for "anti-competitive practices" Instead of a platform who takes a bazillion games and set their prices so low you could literally buy half of the store with 10$. Y'know, just sayin'

[@lukizard9625]

Steam does not run a monopoly. There just the only good option.

[@gdgy7569]

They are a monopoly, but not because they shutdown their competition, not because they have unfair advantage. They are a monopoly because everyone else is constantly making bad decisions

[@ImperialOffic3r]

???? Bro look at a dictionary

[@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943]

Gog is pretty good

[@ImAPersonHehehehaw]

They’re a monopoly that we’re all fine with.

[@EeveeRealSenpai]

​@@gdgy7569 I'd say it's pretty fair. Other companies just have to not make a terrible product.

[@EngineerRiff]

Fun Fact: this is $300M more than MrBeasts’s estimated economy

[@ChesterManfred]

If she wins she'll straight up be richer than MrBeast, except she'll keep it all for herself. That's outrageous

[@giorgaras1851]

I doubt any normal person will take her seriously, best case scenario for her is valve to just laugh at her face and in the worse case she gets sued for defamation about the nonsense she is spewing @@ChesterManfred

[@psychopath6652]

"because she believes that users of Steam have been treated unfairly and are owed compensation from Valve Corporation." *...So they're saying 90% off is way too low of a discount.*

[@XD-sc4ix]

Bait used to be believable. It's obvious that the real reason is because they're mad that steam is THE giant of PC gaming market while their pc gaming stores are rotting away

[@psychopath6652]

⁠​⁠@@XD-sc4ix And in the UK, too. There’s hardly any game shops, at least those considered decent at best. I’m more than happy to visit GAME when I’m out, but I’m not buying an (ironically) overpriced game from over a decade ago lol.

[@vreikezen8268]

@@XD-sc4ixWho even uses discs for PC games anymore????

[@aregulargenericname8794]

Discounts are not permanent you dunce

[@gondorianslayer4250]

​@@vreikezen8268so no one allowed to use dics now? Are you in charge dictator?

[@zenniththefolf4888]

"Unfairly shutting down competition." Source? Source 2?

[@justinfourie3422]

sadly I think we'll only get Source 2 with Half Life 3

[@randomtech94]

@@justinfourie3422 didnt it exist already with half life alyx and cs2?

[@justinfourie3422]

@@randomtech94 oh yeah you're right, i forgot about that, in that case we'll see source 3 when HL3 releases

[@cc3]

As someone who has spent thousands on steam I agree that steam has been very good to their customers. This lawsuit uses the angle of consumers but in reality it's for the indie game publishers who cannot sell their games without the 30% cut. I personally think this cut should be A LOT lower, 30% is ridiculous for a platform to host a game, especially since the developer has already spent $100 to publish the game on steam. Playstation and Microsoft are also seeing similar lawsuits. This is speculative as steam is a private company, but I am doubtful that the difference in server costs of downloading a steam game equate to even a cent per download. Some games use steamworks to run items, and multiplayer, but I feel like that price should be a separate service as most games do not. I believe steam need to be held to the same standards as the other monopolistic tech giants such as apple (who have successfully been sued for similar behaviour). I'll continue to use steam but I think you're completely wrong in saying that the 30% cut doesn't increase the price of games.

[@Chicken_does_nothing]

wait til you see the cut roblox takes from roblox players.

[@crafterrium8724]

roblox

[@ywer3455]

didnt they get sued like a billion times already?

[@hehehehe_hah]

@@ywer3455 yeah but for other reasons like copyright and stuff like that

[@hat4621]

pedoblox

[@memes_gbc674]

@@hat4621 real

[@SnugWugs137]

Fighting off the lawsuit would be treadmill work for Valve, though, so they won’t bother.

[@tillianator5931]

valve when they realize doing the bare minimum to keep their company alive is treadmill work

[@gondorianslayer4250]

Getting cocky don't help

[@Boomrainbownuke9608]

@@gondorianslayer4250 uh uh uh. you should've said getting cocky WONT help. you are getting an F kid.

[@EeveeRealSenpai]

​@@Boomrainbownuke9608 Hey, no bullying the special education children.

[@Boomrainbownuke9608]

@@EeveeRealSenpai i am autistic. but even i know better.

[@RaisinHook]

Steam Keys are Steam merchandise, thats like getting free Keurigs then selling them for less than Keurig would sell them

[@icaruswindrune7116]

So, regarding the 30% cut - back in 2019, it was found that - aside from Epic, Humble, and ItchIO - every store front that sells games has a 30% cut. That includes the consoles and every physical medium retailer (so Amazon, GameStop, etc.).

[@gondorianslayer4250]

Epic does not do 30%. Stop lying.

[@theblackoutexplorer2658]

@@gondorianslayer4250you can’t read, it says aside from epic dumb ass.

[@icaruswindrune7116]

@@gondorianslayer4250 Re-read it. if that is too difficult for you, I said "ASIDE FROM EPIC, HUMBLE, and ITCHIO." In case you don't understand what "aside from" means - "aside from" = excluding

[@cc3]

it's industry standard but does that mean we should accept it? Last time I checked, even expensive webhosts weren't charging more than 2 cents per gigabyte download. It's shit that valve is one of the first to be targeted (even if they are one of the biggest) but I'd definitely like for something to be done about it.

[@Ron1n_Sim]

"Unfairly shutting down competition" The only time VALVE has EVER stepped into against competitors is refunding and shutting down games that make UNFAIR business practices on consumers.

[@BlackenedEclipseCurse]

If all your competition is terrible and shuts down, does that technically make you a monopoly? Like genuine question.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Yes, natural monopoly. It is not treated as one however, because there is no competition, and so unfair competition isnt possible.

[@lautarogomez9711]

​@@alexturnbackthearmy1907so what needs to be done?

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@lautarogomez9711 Customers get extremely frustrated to the point of creating a competition themselves? They can exist for decades or centuries given right circumstances (and leadership decisions, rest in piss ost indian company, you would not be missed). Or until the industry itself changes so much that some other company gets a shot at becoming a serious competition. There is really not a lot you can do, and honestly, as long as everyone is ok with the way things are and no one is harmed - it can stay as is.

[@secretname2670]

​@@lautarogomez9711 Valve seems to be a natural monopoly so I wouldn't worry about taking action untill the CEOs resign from Steam and people start dismantling Steam to sell it to shareholders.

[@IdiotamSpielen]

yes, because the definition of "Monopoly" only requires you to be the sole purveyor (or by extended definition, the only viable one) of a certain service. The reasons why that is the case, are irrelevant.

[@aoihitori]

Basically this is just a nuke made by competitive company. Very subtle UK, very subtle indeed. Vivky was not the smartest Valve competitor.

[@glitchy_weasel]

I like to keep large companies in check, but go after Valve, really? Come on, they aren't saints, but are definitely the lesser of evils when it comes to videogame publishers/salers.

[@gondorianslayer4250]

So valve can do what they want? So they can sell your data?

[@yuyukooyunda7476]

@@gondorianslayer4250 bait used to be believable

[@gondorianslayer4250]

@@yuyukooyunda7476 yup, you defend it. so you support wef. you must support biden, china and russia then.

[@Pyrodiac]

@@gondorianslayer4250 Do you have ANY proof that they sell your data? Here's some proof implying otherwise: Every so often (I think it's like monthly) they ASK for them to gather info on your PC specs ANONYMOUSLY, and you can just NOT.

[@bloodrinker]

@@gondorianslayer4250 your data is already being sold, you have youtube, and therefore google

[@yourwrostnightmare3559]

Similar thing is in Poland, but there steam actually overcharges people, as the currency exchanger is outdated and charges more than it should be when exchanging USD prices to PLN (polish currency) prices, there it actually is a problem because games are over priced

[@braggski]

Fun fact: a class action lawsuit most often results in the lawyer taking the vast majority of the money paid.

[@liquidmustard9925]

Will this effect the economy?

[@SteelSpiderStudios]

🤓☝️

[@neptuneash4617]

@@SteelSpiderStudiosvery funny 😐

[@Xport9]

Probably. If UK wins, Valve will just increase UK's prices even more, and they will act "shocked" as to why that happened. Clearly, UK is drunk off their gourds.

[@gaze1ngm0rph1c4]

@@SteelSpiderStudios look at me I posted a nerd emoji like everyone else does, I’m so cool and I’m sure this meme won’t die someday like every other meme and become annoying.

[@yeetdabeans3883]

This will have an effect on the trout population i think

[@crazymage5316]

Why does steam need competition anyways, maybe if the competition wasn’t so ass then there might be a point

[@tobyzilla2.074]

Yes and if I ever do start making video games and sell them on steam I'm also going to sell them on my own website and potentially make it a storefront that competes against steam

[@crazymage5316]

@@tobyzilla2.074 thats not what the video is talking about

[@tobyzilla2.074]

@crazymage5316 I know that but still if we want steam to still be a good platform thare needs to be competition for steam while yes steams competition sucks and that is why steam is still good

[@gondorianslayer4250]

Competition is a good thing. You want them to end up like micro and Disney? Fanboy

[@crazymage5316]

@@gondorianslayer4250 lmao 💀

[@spacegamedevsoftware]

That seems like bullshit to me, Valve is definitely going to win the lawsuit.

[@lautarogomez9711]

​@@lunasakara7306nah, justice is shit. The only justice that ever existed is self justice

[@nophone9311]

She is right about UK costumers being charged more. It isn't by much but games on steam cost more in the UK than they do in the US. Regional pricing is great, but it isn't perfect, and countries with strong currency often end up paying more.

[@Coconut-219]

I've experienced the opposite, as an American with a UK friend games over here are commonly 2x what the publicly stated international conversion rate says it should be. Yes the UK is being charged more compared to certain "globalist-favored" countries though...

[@gondorianslayer4250]

​@@Coconut-219you lie

[@duckyduckington9736]

@@gondorianslayer4250 bro who hacked ur account, ur shit is 3 years old and you are botting.

[@Utter_Disc]

​@@Coconut-219 a literal VPN prove you wrong

[@Boomrainbownuke9608]

@@gondorianslayer4250 prove they did, or shut it.

[@Dhalin]

There is also GOG which does have a launcher, though nobody uses the launcher. In fact for older games, GOG is usually better, because you can get DRM-free stand-alone executables and skip the need for a launcher altogether.

[@BlackSabbath628]

For all games GOG is better, because you can download the installer without needing any client to begin with. Thereby allowing you actually own the games you buy. It's just that GOG doesn't have everything that Steam does because most major companies do want DRM and games as a service to control what you own.

[@phantik5090]

​@@BlackSabbath628drm will be removed if steam ever went down,but for now its just words and waiting until steam would die willnot be a fast one

[@jamesbland5207]

So here is my question, if this British person wins, longshot I know, and she does get the billion dollars while standing on a platform for gamers behalf... What's going to happen to the money?... is she going to buy everyone in the UK Doom Medieval?

[@woketacha6112]

nah, she'll be like "I was robbed at knifepoint 4 feet away" in her beautiful new dress and matching necklace.

[@lautarogomez9711]

​@@woketacha6112while boasting on her throne?

[@qoxgnsuch1997]

@@lautarogomez9711 while boasting in her 5km plot of land?

[@RhyzVids]

My dad (I’m from UK) doesn’t overprice anything or whatever else these clowns are suing over either which makes this suit dumber

[@Guitartube25]

GOG: Am I a joke to you?

[@jismeraiverhoeven]

Yes you are

[@justinfourie3422]

@@jismeraiverhoeven gog is still better then Epic in my experience of using literally every game launcher because for some godforsaken reason almost every game has its own launcher

[@jismeraiverhoeven]

@@justinfourie3422 yeah but we where talking steam versus gog, and gog just doesnt compare. It does better then every other competitor sure, but that doesnt mean they are close to beating steam. The tallest dwarf is still a dwarf at the end of the day

[@unknown34510]

GOG? What is GOG?

[@justinfourie3422]

@@unknown34510 Good Old Games, it's a very user friendly website and game launcher that has a ton of old games on it as well as a lot of new games

[@sundew3848]

Valve is literally the irl example of ‘Luigi does absolutely nothing and wins’ this lawsuit makes absolutely no sense.

[@markusreviews9747]

Nah they can’t be going after steam for “ getting rid of competition” when it seems like there isn’t even a competition for game launchers so yeah don’t touch steam leave steam be

[@Xport9]

Of course, it's UK. Nothing new.

[@Megalania1]

Huh how?

[@bluemike1215]

This is why communist countries aren't successful

[@toxicannon3670]

So because one person made an idiotic lawsuit the same goes to the rest of the uk that they're idiotic 😑

[@wofker4719]

steam actually does sales while others just up the price and then put on sale pretending the price went down somehow

[@spartainwarrior6445]

as a brit we do not claim whoever is suing steam

[@wrongthinker843]

So how are they going to prove the "overcharging" part exactly. Considering Valve doesn't set the price.

[@blacklight683]

I hate valve for their neglect for tf2, But steam didnt do anything wrong to be sued for

[@rickeyheard4454]

Absuing its position? You mean being the only service that catered to the market? Waste of everyone's time.

[@jammerhammer1953]

One thing that no one talks about when discussing steam fees is that "You don't have to use a publisher in the first place!". Yes, Steam provides many services that are convenient, but I still buy games that aren't on steam if the game is good, such as Tarkov(rip) and starsector.

[@Altaku84]

If you're gonna sue for overcharging, why target steam? Why not playstation? They actually do that.

[@NoneNullAnd0]

You actually CAN'T sell your game on other platforms on a lower price (no steam keys involved). That's the problem. It's not really a consumer side issue though. It just sucks for game devs like me. Edit: Game discounts can reduce the price, but the overall discounts have to be equivalent on both platforms.

[@courier.66]

Being a Steam user in the UK, the only problems I've had with Steam are not even related to Steam, it's just the shitty boarding house wifi

[@TWOBytZ]

the UK women be TWEAKING

[@nopejustnope3900]

Suing valve for what is every other companies' problem is peak british

[@tonk5711]

Funfact: Poland has the highest prices of games on Steam in entire Europe

[@secretname2670]

Checked on the web, they are the 21st largest economy but 1st in game price height in europe. Makes sense

[@placekpie]

Yes and we get 50 cents per hour (by average and official statistics lie like seriously guys gals and pals seriously most of y'all should do better research)

[@sunbroke2679]

only complaint that i agree with is that some games aren't price adjusted with currencies as MDW 3 costed £70 which converts to 89$ dollars

[@Actvontact]

Finally a reasonably long video for the topic. Thank ya kindly

[@BalancedtheScales]

While don’t want to sound like I’m a blind fan boy or pretend monopolies are a good thing There is a reason people like getting most of their shit in one place It’s convenient, everything else kind of sucks, and steam is mostly responsible when it comes to the consumer

[@gondorianslayer4250]

No they aren't. Competition is important. You want Disney to own everything?

[@theblackoutexplorer2658]

@@gondorianslayer4250dumb example. Steam is a natural monopoly. Which isn’t treated like one. Disney actively buys and ruins shit while valve gets customers because everyone sucks. Yea can’t break it up because people don’t actually wanna use the alternatives because they suck

[@Pyrodiac]

@@gondorianslayer4250 I will agree, competition is important, but I don't see VALVe even *trying* to get a monopoly, let alone buying IPs and companies to keep it.

[@PaulonTheBrave]

​@@gondorianslayer4250I seen your other comments, your 100% a Epic loyalist arent you?

[@lautarogomez9711]

​​@@PaulonTheBravenah, just a bot

[@bucketeer8921]

iunno the prices look fine to me and im a uk consumer

[@RandomCommentMakerPerson]

Steam is just built different

[@Maddie_The_Sergal]

Built correctly

[@CaptainRex332]

If this does go to court and the judge has more then 2 brain cells there doomed

[@somedudewatchingyoutube9163]

don’t worry guys, I’ll donate $1 so steam will only have to pay $799,999,999

[@chernobyl169]

Something tells me Gabe is gonna bring the receipts and shut this lawsuit down faster than The Crew

[@oskarhasabeanie]

this is making the British (me) look like idiots

[@Tigers_tripes2O2]

Finally a youtuber that talks at a good speed so i dont spontaneusly combust out of pure boredom

[@legplan]

wtf is valve supposed to do in this situation, promote epic games launcher??? No private company would ever do that, and a public one only if 99.9% of their shareholders say so. And if she argues about the cut, she should be suing Roblox, as developers get about 25% on their in game transactions.

[@CharlieXcen]

GOG Galaxy might be a viable competitor for Steam. At least according to my Brother, since I myself do not have anything on GOG, so I do not use it.

[@BlackSabbath628]

Eh, not really? It's missing a lot of features compared to the steam client. The greatest advantage it has over steam is that you can download offline installers that you can use to download games without a Games as a Service client, but that's a feature the GOG always had before galaxy.

[@maxrandelle5774]

WTF? Why does nobody talk about GOG? CDPR is on top of the world with Witcher 3 & Cyberpunk 77 yet nobody knows about their platform store.

[@MyouKyuubi]

Wtf is a "GOG"? Is it a food?

[@maxrandelle5774]

@@MyouKyuubi Good Old Games. It's an alternative to Steam.

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@maxrandelle5774 Right, so you don't think maybe GoG isn't being considered, because nobody's heard of it before? :P

[@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943]

They also sell games with the patch already installed

[@luvire]

How can you not mention GOG when talking about steam competitors or just PC gaming platforms in general smh

[@HungryFox02]

Steam just has an invite api, it doesn't just give you server access. It's like how you can invite ppl via discord but you're still hosting on your computer, most of these connections are peer to peer (meaning one computer hosts the other connects) if the game is set up with an internal server then its peer server peer, but that's still not steam's server, a good example of this is GMod.

[@EeveeRealSenpai]

It's not that hard to be better than everyone else when they're self sabotaging.

[@Cynidecia]

Is GoG even a competitor?

[@odxpoo]

isn't GoG a key reseller?

[@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943]

​​@@odxpooIts a games store which usally sells old games.

[@Vidjnjsdnjk-en6tz]

@@odxpoo GOG is a game reseller focused on games without DRM

[@woketacha6112]

lawsuit maker is clearly an epic games store user that got pissed at kingdom hearts finally going on pc despite the fact it's on epic games

[@gondorianslayer4250]

So insulting competition fans. Your a monopoly supporter

[@Talondrone]

@@gondorianslayer4250 Nah, they're just insulting a shit service and a bogus lawsuit. Again, If Epic, or Ubisoft or whatever Joe-Blow Company want's me to jump ship to their Gaming Storefront - then please for the love of god make one similar, or better than Steam. It's that bloody simple.

[@woketacha6112]

@@gondorianslayer4250 how do i support either if i don't play pc?

[@Siaman668]

I’m pretty sure valve doesn’t control what creators price there games. This feels pointless

[@SaxtonGaming1401]

The biggest advantage of Steam over Epic is that Steam doesn’t constantly recommend pay to win gacha anime games to me. No, Epic. For the last time, I don't want Genshin.

[@kamajuchikekenate]

Yee...games were locked sround 60$ for ages,but lately games like the sloppy CODMW3(2024) charge for 80$...and most others do that too...especially on Conoles...and on Steam too...

[@hardidis]

This just honestly feels like a cash grab being that the lawsuit is requesting 800 million fucking dollars. Like I get that me as a middle class consumer can see that as a lot of money, but that has to be a good chunk of steams revenue being that it’s nearly a billion dollars.