Won't ever have another Bob Cat anything, had a zero turn I got in 2021 and had nothing but trouble out of it. Bob Cat themselves would not do anything to help me with it. Too many issues to list here, but all the problems I had were before 100 hours on the unit!! Ventrac has this particular tractor on point and I don't think anyone else can outdo it. I LOVE MY VENTRAC!!!
@tf727411 ай бұрын
We have 2 Ventracs and 1 Steiner. I prefer the Ventrac with the Kubota gas. Although the 2004 Ventrac with the Kawasaki was a faster machine than the new machines.
@TheGarnetYardBird Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a video like you suggested possibly doing on why you changed from Steiner to Ventrac.
@hamoboy3000 Жыл бұрын
What’s the difference between Steiner & Ventrac. I was looking at the company’s history and I’m pretty sure they were both started by the same Steiner family.
@jimmcknight3021 Жыл бұрын
They were both started by the Steiner family. I think after the non-compete agreement ran out after the family sold Steiner to a large company. they came up with Ventrac. The Ventrac company has now sold to a large company, but for now, they are allowing Ventrac to keep innovating on the tractor and attachments. Steiner corporate ownership has never done that. Perhaps this will change with Bobcat using the Steiner design as part of the large corporate family. HOWEVER, Ventrac is the superior tractor in most cases.
@TheLawnCareLifeinMowssouri Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! My buddy runs all Steiner and I really hate to see them phase em out and replace them with Bobcat. He’s made a lot of money over the years with the Steiner. But that definitely looks like the direction they are headed…
@genedieball Жыл бұрын
I liked both colors. It’s not the color of the tractor that makes it good or bad. It’s the machine that does the work not the color. Thank you for your video.
@andrewgee241 Жыл бұрын
Post Bobcat (Doosan) purchasing Steiner, does Steiner still have a factory to manufacture the 450 or has the production of the Steiner brand and now this Bobcat version been fully integrated into Bobcat manufacturing facilities?
@Biokemist-o3k Жыл бұрын
Looks top heavy. Thanks for bringing this to us.
@RandyOcker Жыл бұрын
Nothing is better than ventrac!
@steiger256 Жыл бұрын
I agree. I love my Ventrac
@jimmcknight3021 Жыл бұрын
I was hoping that the parent company would a start innovating and upgrading the Bobcat and Steiner in order to be more competitive with Ventrac. If they are just going to clone Steiner, then Ventrac will remain on top for a long time to come.
@srguns8317 Жыл бұрын
I was hoping the very same. Have a steiner 450 but attachments are limited compared to ventrac...hoping Bobcat will step up their game and offer more variety of attachments. Especially for hobby farming.
@jasondrost7602 Жыл бұрын
There are some things being worked on in the background. Hopefully some things will start to be shown in the next 12-18 months
@srguns8317 Жыл бұрын
That's encouraging. IWhat are you hearing?@@jasondrost7602
@jimbennett1519 Жыл бұрын
I really do like that color combo
@ryanroberts7771 Жыл бұрын
The instrument panel is the same as the steiner 450"s released within the last two years.
@steiger256 Жыл бұрын
I thought I seen that on a Steiner, But was not sure. The new panel looks much better, And should be easier to see.
@GarysEquipment11 ай бұрын
Fun fact, the Steiner pictured in this video was at our booth at Huron County fair. The new steiners use the same dash. There is a new tractor in the works, but the release date keeps getting pushed back and bobcat wanted to get a product out so that's where the AT450 came into play until the new tractor comes out.
@steiger25611 ай бұрын
Are you by chance the Garys Equipment in Republic, Ohio?
@MLJohnsonian6 ай бұрын
What's the price of the AT450?
@jdubbullyoo Жыл бұрын
I assume the front attachment mount is the same as the Steiner as well? The one thing I hate about the Ventrac/Steiner machines is mount system. If you arent on a perfectly flat surface you are going to need someone to help you connect an attachment. Not sure how they’d do it but would love to see a universal mini skid plate (or similar) type mount.
@steiger256 Жыл бұрын
It can be a pain if you detatch on unlevel ground then go back to hook back up. I am not sure if they would ever change it due to all the attachments are now universal. I usually just try to find the most level spot I can when I detatch.
@petebusch90693 ай бұрын
Not having a decent loader on these or the Ventrac is the deal killer for me.
@fredcsensits44769 ай бұрын
Joystick looks like what they have on a L23 or L28. Looks like a ventrac
@dalebargen Жыл бұрын
Is the loader pictured beside the Bobcat for that tractor?
@steiger256 Жыл бұрын
The loader you see next to it is for one of the compact tractors. From what I read on Bobcats website there is no loader for the AT450.
@charlesbelser72494 ай бұрын
Wonder if we can get the 8 wheels on them.
@petebusch90693 ай бұрын
Why would a person buy the Bobcat over the Ventrac? That's what I want to know?
@BillCoSmith Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video 👍
@bluecordprecisiongrading2504 Жыл бұрын
This still seems like a homeowner's grade machine compared to a Ventrac
@steiger256 Жыл бұрын
I agree
@jimmcknight3021 Жыл бұрын
Yes and not much difference on price unless Doosan,Bobcat, decided to go lower in order to better compete against Ventrac.
@robertstroud153 ай бұрын
What hydroflorate whill the hyd pumps push? w t
@tacticlSport Жыл бұрын
You've always got great content
@steiger256 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@dalebargen Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t the Bobcat dealer let you drive it?
@steiger256 Жыл бұрын
I am sure they would have. I was just wanting to check it out. There was lots of talk on options that were diffrent than Steiner. It is as far as I can tell a Steiner 450 painted white. I talked to a saleman for about 5 minutes, But I did not want to waste there time driving it around.
@broken_bones_acres Жыл бұрын
It's made in South Korea by Doosan. Assembled here
@flynnjohn998 ай бұрын
The machine your showing is a diesel not gas like you stated
@steiger2568 ай бұрын
The engine showin is a 32.5 HP Kubota gas model WG972. There is coil packs on top of the engine. The only engine avalable for the Bobcat AT450 is the Kubota gas at this time. Why they have not offered a diesel yet like the Steiner still puzzles me.
@zaineridling Жыл бұрын
Looks like the plastic version of a VenTrac, only the wheels are tiny. Hate it.
@e-zpaving967710 ай бұрын
In a nutshell the only thing they changed is the color
@steiger25610 ай бұрын
Pretty much yes.
@johnperry5351 Жыл бұрын
So bobcat owns Steiner? Basically looks like they are copying the ventrac
@steiger256 Жыл бұрын
Correct. Bobcat purchased Steiner around 2019. The original founders of Steiner now built Ventrac. Steinr has bewn sold many times in the past 30 years now being owned by Bobcat.
@johnperry5351 Жыл бұрын
@@steiger256 does it have the dual wheel option?
@steiger256 Жыл бұрын
@@johnperry5351 you can get duel wheels for the Bobcat as well
@johnperry5351 Жыл бұрын
@@steiger256 interesting. The golf course I work at just bought a ventrac we will have it for years hope
@cbpagent723 ай бұрын
Steiner was the original design. Then the family that made Steiner was bought out and when their non-compete was over they created Ventrac.