Steins;Gate is a Heideggerian Nightmare

[@ЈованЂокић-Шумарац]

I started this video, and remembered that I never finished Steins;Gate, paused the video, watched all episodes, went back and watched the video 10/10

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

Now go play the SG0 VN. This is the choice of the Steins Gate. El Psy Kongroo

[@A-SUS]

@@DiogenesTheCynic. does watching Steins Gate 0 anime also the choice of Stein's Gate?

[@Mikukuki1425]

@@A-SUSonly if u watch it before SG ep 23-24

[@shira_yone]

@@Mikukuki1425 can be watched retroactively.

[@madengineerkyouma]

El. Psy. Kongroo.

[@VitorBrauer]

Best moment in the game and in the show. If you know, you know.

[@ffxiikd1426]

💯

[@blackreaperkaneki9900]

Is it Congroo or Kongroo? I’ve always pronounced it as Congroo.

[@madengineerkyouma]

@@blackreaperkaneki9900 Several translations write it as Congroo, but if you pay attention to the email from future Okabe you can see it is from an address called "sg-epk", which clearly means "Steins Gate - El Psy Kongroo"

[@dinglian4706]

@@blackreaperkaneki9900 it's kinda like both, in the Visual Novel it's called El Psy Kongroo with a k that is why when Okabe received a d-mail from his future self its called epk(el psy kongroo), while in the anime it's subtitled as El Psy Congroo with a C.

[@SimonSlav-GameMakingJourney]

Steins;Gate makes you feel stuff man

[@ben-taobeneton3945]

it does

[@LuisSierra42]

Kurisu best girl

[@ben-taobeneton3945]

@@LuisSierra42 tru

[@ricco48219]

That ending though

[@un_realekztermin80r]

I...feel... READING STEINEERRR!!!!

[@m.guedes]

2:55 The point about the "ridiculous method" in Steins;Gate is that, in fact, any representation of time travel device is ridiculous in concept, whether is a car, a man-built machine, or a bathtub. Steins;Gate did not waste time explaining that so it could focus on the important aspects of the history, characters, and plot from the start. The impact we have when the first time travel happens is incredible because you spend a lot of time with the characters in the Alpha timeline before even realizing it. So a microwave and a cell phone would do as a device to make the jumps between Alpha, Steins, and Beta. A microwave with a cell phone it is not more ridiculous than a car running at 88 miles per hour. El Psy Congroo.

[@aoikishi99]

The thing is, that microwave is less ridiluous than most other time travel device in other media. Why? because the cellphone and micropawave isnt the time travel device there, its the CERN particle accelerator's that produce a miniblackhole, yea i know cern in IRL and in steins gate is different, in steins gates, they manage to make mini blackhole since early 2000s. The cellphone is only there because they found and a bug that let them send a bit of information to the particle accelerator. Hence thru out the shows, sometimes they failed to do time leap. In Steins Gate Zero, its even more clearer, they just use smartphone to send the massage instead. Same still sending it thru particle accelerator.

[@theextremeend5289]

@@aoikishi99 Slightly incorrect here. The D-Mails work just with the cellphone+microwave. Now, the Time Leap machine is the one that requires the SERN LHC to compress all the data for Okabe to actually go back in time x amount of hours.

[@PetelProduction]

in the visual novel, if the player chooses not to help Suzuha and fix her time machine, Okabe willingly put himself in a time loop, where he spend the rest of Mayury's life hanging out with everyone and having fun, going cycling, going to the anime convention, and then after Mayury dies he does that again. and again. and again. and after a while he starts having weird thoughts. what if i wouldn't worn Daru of that car and just let him get run over? he'll die, but then everything will go back to normal anyway. I could be a jerk to everyone. i could have my way with Mayuri, and there would be no repercussion. and slowly he start loosing it. he no longer remembers why he goes through the loop, and he get stuck there. until Suzuha approaches him one time. She says his expression is empty, and she concludes he's been time leaping. in order to help him she decides to take him with her using the time machine. Next time Okabe time leap, they don't go to the convention or to have fun, but fix the time machine, and in the end, he goes with Suzuha. I hope I didn't misremembered anything. I felt this was relevant to the video.

[@aldeayeah]

Indeed that would be an scenario where the continued avoidance of death / lasting consequences would whittle away at a person's humanity.

[@DavidPereiraLima123]

This is one of the visual novel endings. I got the same, first time.

[@Reality-Distortion]

Iirc he considered having his way with Suzuha, not Mayuri.

[@PetelProduction]

@@Reality-Distortion I knew I misremembered somethings...

[@aldeayeah]

@@Reality-Distortion which is kinda funny because Suzuha would absolutely kick his scrawny ass.

[@kyleespinoza7201]

The thing I love about Steins;Gate's time travel is that it's remarkably self consistent with its logic without it necessarily eating itself.

[@soccerandtrack10]

So most stuff is a oroboris 0?... meta commentary?..., because its time traval?...

[@kyleespinoza7201]

@soccerandtrack10 I can't even begin to put together what you're trying to say

[@ben-taobeneton3945]

very good point.

[@smartsmartie7142]

The only stuff I don't like is "don't look at yourself or you will cause a time Paradoxon"

[@MoustachioFurioso83]

There is one major exception though. How accessing CERN's database and erasing all traces of the first D-mail that was accidentally sent somehow changed the timeline without the use of any time leap or D-mail on Okabe's part.

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

Btw it is implied by the writer that Okabe replayed Mayuri's last hours for over 100 years, leading to his numbness and other intrusive thoughts playing out in some VN only scenarios. Also, one of the other spin-off visual novels played a scenario where Okabe was so mind broken from trying to save Mayuri, he gave up saving her and just pretends she never died and hallucinates interactions with her for over a year. This inaction and surrender causes one of the many worldlines that leads to the Alpha line Dystopian future.

[@Killersean900]

I have to give you utmost commendation for this video, Mr. Derrat. I am a philosophy major in college, as well of a fan of Heidegger’s work, and I must admit that I was rather shocked to see a video on a popular anime even dare to MENTION a philosopher as intimidating and abstruse as Heidegger. I think videos like this are incredibly valuable, not only because of their entertainment value as individual works, but because they allow an entry point for people into more intimidating intellectual subjects, which are usually rendered completely alien to average people. I know that some people believe that complex philosophy shouldn’t be attached to mere popular media, as they’re afraid of “diluting” the works and their messages, but I believe that doing so is excellent for getting more people interested. A fantastic work to be sure, and I can’t wait to see what else you’ll make!

[@maxderrat]

Dude, thank you so much for this comment. You literally made my week.

[@smartsmartie7142]

Yep, this channel got me into psychology and existential questions. I am a big fan, I started reading Jung because of all the videos.

[@МилорадЈеремић21]

You interpreted my thoughts in the best possible way

[@pelicanseal]

Kind of a patronizing way to think about Heidegger’s work, no?

[@trenole5148]

M .. 8:16 😊bbm V​ .vxn @@maxderrat

[@DaTLMusic]

Steins gate is consistent with its own rules. Even if the microwave cellphone is gibberish

[@gilroyscopa]

Not even that much in the visual novel. A huge chunk of the early story is basically physics lectures as they're trying to figure things out. I actually looked up a lot of the concepts presentet there and it is very close to reality

[@roywempor8395]

its not gibberish, it works

[@DaTLMusic]

@@roywempor8395 make me one then, I need one

[@ultimaxkom8728]

It's not gibberish if it works. **Put smartphone and bananas in microwave** Just watc-

[@kiiturii]

​@@gilroyscopa yes exactly, it's crazy how in depth the vn goes even into explaining the microwave phone mechanics, it genuinely isn't just gibberish I highly recommend anyone who likes steins;gate anime to go and read the vn

[@smort123]

I loved that one dialogue between Okabe and Kurisu. He asks her if she wants to send a message the the past and correct some mistake of her. She just says "The mistakes I've made define who I am today. I would not want to change any of my past."

[@wcjerky]

Literally just finished this VN so correction at 12:00: SERN's Rounders don't want to kill Okabe, Daru, and Kurisu, but to enslave them to finish SERN's time machine. They deem Mayuri as expendable, hence exposing the point of 'convergence' in each of the divergences. EDIT: Steins;Gate invites me to read the other Science Adventure series.

[@jksupergamer]

Tbh the other series werent all too interesting. While i did only watch the animes chaos head/child and robotics notes werent that fun.

[@bluestrawberry679]

@@jksupergamer the other Animes are pretty bad adaptations, so your opinion is irrelevant to the actual Visual Novels

[@jksupergamer]

@@bluestrawberry679 so how do they fare compared to steins gate?

[@bluestrawberry679]

@@jksupergamer Well, I think they're good. But they are all different from Steins; Gate in some ways, so I can't promise that someone is guaranteed to like them based on liking Steins; Gate. I would say, that if you like Steins; Gate, I think it would be a good idea to try some of the other Visual Novels, to see if they're to your liking. Not the animes though. The Anime for Chaos; Head in particular has numerous flaws, especially since it's only 12 Episode, and you simply can't really properly tell the story in that time.

[@MegaManDied]

I'll posit a thought experiment to you: What do you think the reason for Mayuri's guaranteed death is? What 'cause' happened on the Alpha worldline that would have the 'effect' of Mayuri dying no matter what? I am so excited to hear people's answers to this.

[@madengineerkyouma]

"Start world war 3 to avenge her death" Heh, I see what you did there.

[@rextcttv]

huh?

[@jackalope2302]

What did Max do?

[@dorkmoonblade4315]

​@@jackalope2302It's a reference. One of the other realities that Okabe struggles against is one where WW3 happens.

[@ben-taobeneton3945]

I think this was Okabes line.

[@jackalope2302]

@@dorkmoonblade4315 ok. Been a while since I saw it last.

[@wernerviehhauser94]

Reminds me of Kain's attempt to try long enough until "the coin lands on its edge"

[@ShadowCthulhu]

I was going to mention this very thing. I need to look at Derrat's backlog and see if he covered Legacy of Kain.

[@KeitrenGraves]

​@@ShadowCthulhuHe did two videos about it

[@ShadowCthulhu]

@@KeitrenGraves Thank, I just watched one of them.

[@DavidPereiraLima123]

Fine, fine, fine! You guys convinced me, I'm playing it. Everyone always goes on about the "greatest time travel plot ever", and I'm a sucker for this trope. I've already researched the best versions of the chronology.

[@ShadowCthulhu]

@@DavidPereiraLima123 Legacy of Kain or Steins Gate?

[@XzMondayNightzX]

When I have to look up what the word Heideggerian means you know it's going to be a good video. Also "Time Haunted" is pretty metal sounding.

[@steadyrow]

the funny thing about steins gate is that the time travel is the least compelling part, and not because it isn't good. on the contracy, it's great but everything else is just so well done.

[@nomniguerre]

contrary

[@barclaycork-ys5wz]

The time travel is so good that it is almost trivial.

[@SirRebrl]

It's a really well-crafted story for how the time travel is truly just a vehicle for the character exploration, in contrast to stories where the characters seem to exist only as an excuse to show off the time travel (or other fantastical world mechanic).

[@SukacitaYeremia]

Perhaps on the contrary, it was because the time travel part is so well put together that everything else can shine in the best way. Like how good 3DCG is unnoticable but props up the suspension of disbelief in animation.

[@andrewmaxconely]

"Nature abhors a vacuum, time abhors a rerun." If you missed the movie, make sure to watch it. Steins Gate has withstood the test of time and aged VERY well, compared to other top anime. It has always been my number 1, and I don't see it aging out of relevancy. Also, it has one of the truest good English dubs. These day I lament almost all English dubs, but this one was best in class for sure.

[@squarepusherssbm]

Agree on the dub for sure

[@shira_yone]

Leeroy Jenkins reference and they made the characters into stageplay nerds in the dub, yeah I'm sticking with the sub. It's a story filled with to the brim with Japanese pop/nerd-culture media and early to mid-2000s (Japanese) Internet references, I understand why they change these things, I just wouldn't want to miss them.

[@thegogoodgaming]

Its not his consciousness that gets sent back in time, its his memories and only that, as Kurisu says in the manga: "The point to understand is that only memories are sent back. Not a person's personality or consciousness."

[@Xe-N0N]

But personality is connected to memories not body. Unless personality and behaviour is in great effects from impulses and desires which are connected to the body...

[@max-ii9kd]

well I think in the world of S;G memories do affect personality so in a way, you could say that personality is also sent back with your memories. we have been seeing the story from Okabe's perspective but let's talk about it from a different perspective. in a beta world-line where Okabe didn't send the d-mail about Kurisu to Daru, he continued living his life normally and non-chalantly like he was at the beginning, then suddenly on the 17th he looked in so much pain that he was about to cry, Mayuri comforted him and after that decided to seal away HK and destroy the phonewave, a clear contrast from how he was before he RSed into the beta world-line. then the events of SG0 anime happens where Okabe becomes a somewhat different person. he's more grown up and responsible but also self-centered and kind of an asshole. his older self was arrogant, non-chalant but also very kind and understanding. so in a way, his memories greatly affected his personality. There are other examples but I'm trying to avoid spoilers as much as I can.

[@TheWolfgangGrimmer]

Not exacttly. Kurisu says that during the final buiding phase yes, but practical application of the device instantly disproves this notion, and they never end up figuring out why.

[@haize21]

what does personality and consciousness mean then . the ans for this question is what are memories , do u feel tham as if u have expeirenced them or would u just remember them and not feel like experiencing them . for example the guilt of killing an innocent ,if send back in time would the person receiving them feel like its him who did this and like that or did he just see it as his future versions memories cuz then he is clearly differentiating himself and future versions which means he got a new individuality even though he took the memory

[@Max_G4]

Eh, they still do have the same personality because it's so close to each other. That's why it only works with 2-day intervals at most. Because only that way are the memories that get sent back and the brain that receives them "guaranteed" to be compatible.

[@flikkie72]

So many years after watching this anime, I'm still extremely excited when I see anything pop up on it on youtube. Thanks for giving it some time in the spotlight!

[@OddNation]

"We must rewrite the ending of it... Suppose you throw a coin enough times. Suppose one day, it lands on its edge." - Kain

[@Epsilon-01]

Order from Chaos, Chaos from Order, Such lovely music, Fate plays it, But we make the notes, We don't dance to the tune, We are the tune, There is no Fate but what we make, and a coin can land on its edge.

[@DarkVeghetta]

I understood that last reference. Also, this would work better if it was in poem format, but it was lovely regardless.

[@Epsilon-01]

@DarkVeghetta I'm not a poet, but this does reflect some of my personal philosophy. The only certainty in the universe is that nothing is certain. Embrace Chaos, and create from it Order, that is the nature of the universe.

[@muhammadabdullah2065]

​@@Epsilon-01And this uncertainty is what makes life.. life. If life was predictable and certain then it wouldn't be life. Not knowing whether the next part of your journey will be a chasm or a hill is what gives life its purpose. Maybe we could lead a certain life if we didn't have the emotions we have.

[@Epsilon-01]

@muhammadabdullah2065 And I can not accept that, even if I should become machine in body, I will never sacrifice my emotions, such a thing is a step on the illogically inhuman path to perfection. He who seeks perfection knows nothing of life, and I lothe him with all that I am.

[@muhammadabdullah2065]

@@Epsilon-01 yeah emotions are what makes us humans. Emotions are life itself in a way. I reached a conclusion that if someone wants to become immortal he'll have to let go of his emotions bcz for me boredom itself is an emotion.

[@milkwater1204]

Steins;Gate is possibly my favourite work of science fiction I've ever encountered. There is so much to be discussed, and yet there are little to no loose threads.

[@piotr004]

Same, the best sci-fi in any media since years, and I still can say it as a noob in philosophy (I'm rather more science-oriented). This show is so good that even my mom who doesn't fancy time travel themes liked Steins;Gate very much. It was the choice of Steins;Gate! El. Psy. Kongroo!

[@scirelezard6558]

@12:59 Cinematic Masterpiece

[@benjaminrogers8875]

13:25 Okabe actually does unintentionally cause WW3.

[@soccerandtrack10]

"The highest hights, the lowest lows, through the big forest and the biggest lake the brightest days The darkest nights."

[@valentinedobringsky4158]

This seems so familiar yet I can't recall where was that from. Could you give me the reference? Had no luck googling it

[@TheWolfgangGrimmer]

@@valentinedobringsky4158 It reminds me of the song "Valley of the Damned", but that's probably not it.

[@kohikappu]

The fact that they literally quoted Heidegger only for me to read his works around 4 years after watching Steins;Gate gave me an odd realization of how I could've gone this far. Anyway, great video, I have just wondered whether Steins; Gate was inspired from Kantianism but turns out I have been proven wrong and I agree that Heideggerian fits better. It's just, comes to think about it, the time that isn't like a river means that it's essentially a network with the default configuration of AC/DC.

[@elf-alchemist]

I was reminded of Minute Physics, who made a video on different ways pieces of fiction represent time travel, it reveals more subtle differences in the way time flows in them. "Time Travel in Fiction Rundown" it is called, I think it's a nice complement to anyone interested in fictional time travel.

[@worldtownfc]

Steins;Gate is a masterpiece. Fascinating perspective from Martin Heidegger. I learned about the concept of dasein from this video. Rintaro Okabe's time traveling dream turns into his ultimate nightmare when he unknowingly drags his friends and loved ones into SERN's machinations. Rintaro's road to save Mayuri from her death at the hands of SERN and fate is noble and not only for love, but to save an innocent because he was the ultimate cause of her death. Rintaro destroys himself by going back in time over and over to save Mayuri, who appears cursed to die. He makes some progress. Eventually, fate hands Rintaro a cruel choice between saving Mayuri or Kurisu. Which loved one deserves to live? Rintaro chooses the third way to suffer, to save everyone, and to overthrow fate. Rintaro imposed his will upon SERN, his world, and the world line. He had great friends to support him. He won at any personal cost. A superman. Or maybe, Rintaro became an ubermensch. Screw SERN. Spend billions on a collider and other fancy equipment. Imagine the look on their faces when some random people in Japan discovered time travel with a PC, flip phone, and microwave. They got spies everywhere. The elites killed Rintaro and Kurisu's dream of time travel. Sometimes, it makes you wonder who might be a spy or an assassin that will end your life when you step out of line. Your landlord? Your neighbor? Your coworker? Could be anyone.

[@sniperganso]

that soul reaver 2 soundtrack in the background, great choice in the theme of time travel

[@theflashgordon193]

Wanted to comment that 😂. Also I have the urge to watch soul reaver cutscenes and orgasmic dialogue once again

[@HeaRtllesSs]

Do you know by any chance what is the name of the track? Cause i tried checking the full ost and i could not find the one playing here

[@sniperganso]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHTZfIZ3l52Sea8

[@theflashgordon193]

@@HeaRtllesSs I'm surprised but apparently it's souls reaver 2 pillar battle theme

[@HeaRtllesSs]

@@theflashgordon193 Thanks , do you know maybe which one is playing at 5:00 till 6:00 ?

[@smartsmartie7142]

Saw the video, immediately watched the anime, now I am back, I AM MAD SCIENTIST SUNUVABICH

[@warlordofthewest8010]

El. Psy. Congroo.

[@johnkim7890]

Max Derrat talks about Heidegger but Ruka is still a dude, Max Derrat talks about how Mayuri would be someone to start world war 3 over... but Ruka is still a dude, information gets sent over a mini black hole... but Ruka is still a dude, Krisutina should not have the tina and Ruka is still a dude.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

….smash

[@ultimaxkom8728]

But is he _really?_ Let's find out- (don't worry. I'll take one for the team)

[@sebastiancollins01]

May 26th 2024 I was watching Max Derrat talk about Steins;Gate. How about you?

[@Ken-lv4ww]

Same

[@Zrytun]

March 30 2036

[@Miggus7362]

June 26th 2024

[@ultimaxkom8728]

Some day some month 16000 BC

[@sebastiancollins01]

@@ultimaxkom8728 damn, I cannot compete with that.

[@ben-taobeneton3945]

Steins Gate is one of my first anime ever and I love it even to this day. I don't know what but everything related to the time-travel discussed in the anime was flawless! I still can't believe Steins Gate came out in 2010. It's more than a decade old but extremely profound. It's a very memorable anime. What hooked me even more was that CERN was mentioned in the anime. And I actually googled it back then and it already existed by then but not fully unitilized. I adore animes that reference real-life objects, features and people. 🙏

[@jonttu8848]

Make sure to google more about ”John Titor” if you havent :) !

[@ben-taobeneton3945]

@@jonttu8848 Funny, but I actually had googled him 😀

[@jonttu8848]

@@ben-taobeneton3945 Awesome, its great to see that people still talk about this anime

[@MetalSymphony]

I like to imagine to myself that Chiyomaru Shikura and Ryukishi07 are drinking buddies. Their stories explore very similar themes, and the music division of Shikura's company, MAGES. Inc, has created many songs for 07th Expansion over the years, with Shikura writing many of the songs himself. One gets the impression that there may be more than just a platonic business relationship between these two. Maybe something like a shared vision. Higurashi has a very similar struggle against fate as a central theme. Though it isn't so obvious from the beginning, it does become intensely compelling when the pieces start to come together. It's also much more psychologically focused compared to Steins;Gate. The first Science Adventure story, Chaos;Head, is much more psychological too, though its anime adaptation should be avoided. Steins;Gate is the one and only Science Adventure anime to have a good reputation, though of course the source material is always best. You may know Ryukishi as the guy who's writing the story for Silent Hill F. I wonder how that's going to turn out? There's already a ton of Higurashi and Steins;Gate fan content and analysis out there, which is great. But I think Chaos;Head really deserves more attention, especially since Steins;Gate wouldn't exist without it. When one of the earliest tooltips you get in the VN referenced Freud and Jung, I knew I was in for something special.

[@KidMangaX]

This is a very interesting take. I would not put it past Ki-- Ryukishi-sensei.

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

As a Dutchman, speaking a language similar to German, I think I'd translate dasein as presence. But there is an intrinsic sense of meaning to this word that's almost impossible to translate. One could say that when Okabe says Mayuri's death no longer affects him, he's checked out, he's no longer mentally present. He's lost his dasein/presence. But I'm by no means knowledgeable about Heidegger, so I'm not promising this is what he meant. But yeah, very difficult to translate dasein. It means something like "there being", but the fact that it is one word also conveys meaning. And English just doesn't do that.

[@Creep187SAas]

Hi, "presence" is actually pretty acurate. "dasein" spelled lower case actually means "to be there", "Dasein" spelled uppercase could be translated as "existence" or even "being". "Mein gesamtes Dasein" basically translates to "my entire existence,/ my entire being". As you said, the exact measning isn't very easy to convey.

[@jarnodatema]

Goed gezegd

[@iota-09]

@@Creep187SAas "presence of self, presence in time, presence in the world"... hmm... would then "mindfulness" be used in a different way to translate the word? synonyms exist so a word having more than one meaning is perfectly plausible if that helps ocnveying its meaning.

[@Creep187SAas]

@@iota-09 I don't think "mindfulness" works in this context. It's more of a personality trait. Whereas "Dasein" is your whole entire being, or even your purpose in life.

[@SukacitaYeremia]

I suppose to not _dasein_ is like to live without living. Making your life meaningless or empty. Existence without existence. To not be, when there is something to be. I think the intrinsic sense is that this is a value judgment, i.e. a loaded statement, as it weighs life over death. Even though life itself is meaningless without death. The same could be said about "there being." To "be" only exists because there exists a state of to "not to be". Stein's;Gate shows the nightmare by literally eliminating the option of "not to be" by giving Okabe effective immortality and certain mortality to those Okabe loved, making it pointless to dasein. And yet, even here Okabe finds a way "to be" by literally, blasphemously, fighting against fate itself. This shows how dasein was meaningless, and how human thought will always result in dasein. But what is valued through dasein is determined only by the actor. Those who look at another's dasein through their own value judgment will see different kinds of dasein.

[@obsoletetortoise4785]

I've always been interested in this anime, thank you for the amazing content!

[@tinkyy4516]

Petition for Max to watch "From the New World" and "Land of the Lustrous" next. Great video again!

[@ZWZDOzLtxBEO]

read* houseki no kuni. anime doesn't cover enough to yield a video from Max. but regarding shinsekai yori, 100% anime over manga

[@TheRovingPunster]

Also rakugo shinjuu. It's a bit more low key than either, but it hits just as hard and does all the legwork needed to have you learn more about each character with every watchthrough.

[@Toastbr0t1337]

i think one thing you got a little wrong is his excentric personality, which u then address as a persona. which is correct, but it was just that, a persona he put on to make mayuri laugh and forget about her trauma of losing her grandma. i dont believe he wasnt authentic at any point, i suppose it becomes harder to keep up when the stakes are being raised to literally saving her life

[@enghel381]

Man, from the deep of my heart, thank you. this is amazing

[@SuperLlama42]

We trapping ourselves in an eternal time loop, getting terrified by our intrusive thoughts, and going back before time travel was a thing to hang out with our best friend's daughter with this one

[@krzysztofpaweczyk1515]

Is it about only anime, or one of the best things ever - original Visual Novel?

[@anomitas]

vn is better

[@TheWolfgangGrimmer]

@@anomitas That's what he said.

[@anomitas]

@@TheWolfgangGrimmer yeah so

[@StarlightJosh]

so beautiful man!! you're a curious human, i wish i had a friend like you

[@blerpblerpson890]

I'm pretty sure being-toward-death isn't about dasein recognizing the fact that it *will* die as this is not a fact. Rather what dasein recognizes as a fact (at least as consistent with an ontic being that possesses facticity insofar as Heidegger describes facticity) is the possibility of dasein's not-being. In other words, being-toward-death makes Being an issue for dasein. Which is why dasein is being-toward-death because as heidegger defines dasein in setting up the question of Being (btw he stole dasein from Kant) dasein is the being-for-which-Being-is-an-issue. If dasein is not being-toward-death then dasein is not the being-for-which-Being-is-an-issue and therefore dasein is not aware of its being and dasein is inauthentic since authenticity is conditioned on dasein's recognition that its being is not rationally necessary. Hence, care is rooted in this recognition of the possibility of not-being so that being-as-such carries profound weight. Point is, so long as the MC in Steins;Gate does not cease to recognize the possibility of his not-being he can continue to care (being-with) his sister figure.

[@KFP_Prophet]

18:47 Where does Fate/Determinism fit into the Fate franchise?

[@TheMeanderingGentleman]

Man said Sunday instead of Tsundere. A true madlad.

[@grecianking4428]

hey you posted this on the day heidegger died

[@land3021]

4:17 4:55 Apriory assumptions in philosophy... so "therefore I am" without the "I think" 5:55 "something thinks therefore I am" 6:54 Being there... 7:14 Oh damn 7:32 Ok the dub got one over the sub there 8:53 Hmm... 9:12 Hard to embody Dasein huh? 10:01 Oh I see... human beings not time haunted... 11:47 Oh, the comittee of 300 is the real secret, SERN is just CERN with an S. The comittee of 300 pops up in 13:43 13:56 Honestly, having a grandsons personality myself... I can't blame him. 14:52 Mechanisms of fate... 15:20 Interesting 15:48 Okabe is a Tsundere... wouldn't have expected that honestly, it's kinda more attributed to... female characters in anime. 15:54 FR 16:35 16:43 Yeah. Me when I confess to and use offcolor humour + delve into topics like how I've tried again and again past the point of hopelessness in places where one would be deemed stupid or unaware of what they were doing for having done so... 17:08 Oh true... 17:29 True 18:24 18:35 Yeah 19:07 19:18 20:00 Reminds me of the end theme of Chaos; Head, "A will". The science adventure series well and truly is linked and characterized by that theme of will overcoming fate I think, although that's without taking into account the many alternate endings and routes in the visual novels. I've been recently thinking about how things would go if the deep suffering of one of the protagonists were put into a villain... sorta... if I faced similarly unbelievable circumstances that made my will stronger... made my 'delusions', my imaginary world, something realizable via sheer will. "God. The title suits me well" - Shodan.

[@kukukachu]

I personally believe the Legacy of Kain had an _AMAZING_ time travel, and Squenix SUCKS are time traveling.

[@madengineerkyouma]

"Suppose you throw a coin enough times...suppose one day, it lands on its edge." Is still one of my favorite lines in fiction.

[@kukukachu]

@@madengineerkyouma Absolutely! So powerful.

[@jaw0449]

Heidegger is one of the most difficult thinkers to read and understand

[@CamelliaFlingert]

2:55 *cough cough* Outer Wil--

[@manashieldworld]

Dude every time I hear this game get mentioned I get more and more intrigued. I gotta finally play it.

[@CalebMorea]

The visual novel is even more fleshed out in its time travel theory

[@RealMisterDoge]

Thank you for covering this show, I first watched it in middle school and I’ll never forget it

[@gikal8118]

This was fking beautiful

[@Scharfster]

17:27 that's almost the plot to Steins;Gate0, better start watching, Max! ;D

[@DickieDangling]

This is easily one of your best videos, Max. I don’t even say that as a Steins;Gate fan (even though I am) - I say that as a fan of your videos. I think sometimes the media you discuss takes up a bit too much of the spotlight, rather than sharing it with the philosophy you want to discuss. In this video though, Steins;Gate was just a jumping off point for what was really being covered. Really captivating stuff.

[@maxderrat]

Thanks mate. You rock!

[@jodinsan]

Alright, *_fine,_* I'll watch Steins;Gate again.

[@ThePrideofSociety]

This video was awesome. Steins;Gate made me feel so many different emotions but it was beautiful. A new favorite for me.

[@Bangaudaala]

Canonically Okabe's setup, through a radio amplification via Mr. Braun's TV and access to CERN's artificial black hole, actually manages to send messages to the past Its not just mumbo jumbo, while a bit of a stretch

[@azazel6342]

Was reccomended this anime by someone, right before they self_deleted. She left quite the hole in my existence, and every crumb she left behind of herself, endlessly maddening. The anime helped, still hurt like hell.

[@aryansverses]

Sorry to hear that 🫂 hope it gets better

[@Шевчу́к-г8ц]

😢

[@genericvillain7534]

Sorry for your loss man :/

[@zadienelmetro]

12:54 not even Max Derrat is safe from the obsession of TUTTURU

[@NeroTheBoop]

9:27 The Talos Principle music, i see you have great taste Max

[@PH-ln4bt]

Watching stains gate and ergo proxy makes you seat on looking the sky on school

[@anomitas]

Stains

[@david.9633]

Thank you so much for doing a video on this

[@maxderrat]

Thank you for taking time out of your day to watch, David!

[@Zrytun]

I'm so glad one of my favorite KZbinrs made a video about this usually it's an obscure KZbinr.

[@tzakman8697]

Steins;Gate is my favourite piece of fiction i am really happy YOU made a video about it.

[@thedandyzebra]

this is a masterpiece work of media commentary

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

I always knew CERN was malicious

[@sweettoast3289]

i love this anime and it made me feel things and i don't want to rewatch it again cause i don't want to experience all that pain again those emotions just hit diffrent

[@dookieshoe2905]

The darkness that comes before...

[@derrmeister]

Did anybody mention yet that Okabe did kill all the other timelines' verions of himself, when he repeatedly sent his self back into those other timelines, because at no point we are led to believe any other than his own present's mind survives the travel back through time to those other timelines

[@PalaeoJoe]

I have always said that S;G is the greatest time travel story

[@nozzybt19]

I’m so glad you finally watched steins gate. I’ve been posting comments asking you to watch for years

[@metzen0]

To be fair, he also embodies ptsd.

[@dennisgonzales9521]

i wish to travel back in the and watch steins gate again the first time

[@MathewSan_]

Great video 👍

[@vertellerbarach]

Having recently played through a collab event Steins;Gate had with Neural Cloud, I found this video fascinating, as I think it added a good layer to the story with the addition of a secondary character that experience a similar ability to Okabe "Reading Steiner" being able to remember certain world lines, the story is similar to the anime, but under a different circumstances (being transported to a virtual world) and the main crux being switch (Okaba constant time resets being for Kurisu death instead of Mayuri) leading to an eventual finally where is that second character (the protagonist of the game) to put itself at risk for the well being of everyone he loves and the people of Okabe world which he only recently know, but feels the connection from the other world lines nonetheless, which also fit i think the Heideggerian idea, as hes a character that has multiples times show to always live in the present with the ones around him, to save and protect the people he cares about not worrying about his future as long as he can protect the now. Dunno, i just had that feel, the event made me tear up just like the anime did all those years ago so I'm glad to suddenly being able to understand more about this anime, i need to remwtch it again.

[@trynira4900]

Thank you for giving me more reasons too love this show. Might have to rewatch it yet again, I wonder what else I could have not picked up on.

[@stevo8826]

i may be a tad late but if you are going to rewatch, i suggest not to and instead read the visual novel the visual novel goes wayy more into depth about everything

[@decare696]

the time travel logic from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure is the only realistic one and I will die on this hill.

[@lakoneko]

I've been experiencing a lot of existential feelings lately, and some of this discussion was helpful in quelling some of the overwhelming anxiety for a bit

[@k-ondoomer]

DO MADOKA MAGICA NEXT PLSSSS

[@cj_iwakura]

If you want to confirm how "boring" it would be for Okabe to accept fate, look no further than Steins;Gate Zero.

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

The first scenario in Phenogram is probably more accurate as its Okabe accepting that Mayuri's death is unchangable in the Alpha line and just lives in eternal denial filled with schizo delusions of her still alive. SG0 0kabe accepts Kurisu's death but is at peace that Mayuri is still alive so its less accepting fate and more for settling on a compromise. He doesnt pretend that Kurisu is still alive, maybe because he caused her death more directly than Mayuri's, but he is very quick to not try and change fate for her and accepts that she is gone. His trip back to alpha worldline in Zero shows that while he was in tears over seeing Kurisu alive, him quickly breaking down in front of her over realizing he is back in that world where Mayuri is no longer alive is pretty clear that despite Kurisu being the one he loves, Mayuri having been a part of his life for so long makes her irreplaceable to his reason for living.

[@sharp7j]

Max Derrant forgot dragon ball z had the most accurate time travel with multi-rivers.

[@KenderGuy]

It's interesting to me to think that, after all that time (a total of 2 weeks), once Okabe finally saved Mayuri, he just left and went to college. How many pieces of media in general touch that? Taking so long to save your loved on that, by the time you succeed, it's already too late for it to work. Not only did they do that, but Steins;Gate 0 explores the repercussions of this when Okabe returns to the lab. There just isn't enough tragedy to go around. It's sad that so much media today is afraid to show truly devastating scenarios like this, because it might not appeal to a general audience.

[@KittyKatty999]

Have you seen Zero Escape? That trilogy is *ALL about Multiple Timelines, philosophy, and insane twists!* I love it SO much!

[@inputVOID]

One aspect I didn’t see touched on in regards to Dasein is how Okabe used the time machine to objectively improve the lives of everyone around him, up to the point of Mayuri’s death. He tried to improve his immediate world first and foremost. Interestingly, he didn’t do all the greedy things you’d normally see in a time travel story. Though he DID try to rig himself as a lottery winner, he never attempted it again, and immediately began focusing on changing stuff for his friends. After that, every experiment he did was with the best interest of his friends in mind. But, that’s where the greed was. Now, none of these characters had BAD lives at the time he knew them per se, but they were close to what they believed were their ideal lives thanks to his his interventions. He gave Faris more time with her dad and Luka the chance to be a girl. The rug pull that happens there seems to challenge the Dasein philosophy by forcing Okabe to reconcile with his own selfishness and playing God by saving Mayuri and upending the wishes he granted for his friends and making them confront their own perceived selfishness. It’s a fascinating moral dilemma because though Okabe is saving a life in Mayuri, he is actively forcing others to go back to what they themselves believe are worse and subjecting Luka/Faris to pretty tough upbringings and tragedies. It was easy for Okabe to undo the death of Faris’ dad because he didn’t know them. He is not part of Okabe’s IMMEDIATE world, but is for Faris. It was easy for him to recent Luka, as he had no romantic interest in them. Him being forced to choose between Mayuri or Makise’s life brings the ugly truth to him, shoves it in his face, rubs his nose in it and then makes him EARN that happy ending. If you enjoyed this, I highly recommend reading/watching 0 as well. Good continuation of events where he chose not to try and save Makise again.

[@elrevesyelderecho]

16:29 when we discovered the meaning of death we understand the meaning of life.

[@JGZinv]

Steins;Gate 0 covers where Okabe for a long time does give up in fighting for Kurisu, and you see what that does both to his soul and those around him. Although it pales in comparison to the original series and the anime adaption is rough because they tried to carve 80 some routes into a single narrative. Might give that a watch also. Personally, the movie, where Kurisu must also tread Okabe's road and bring it full circle, experiencing a small part of his pain, is the highest peak and satisfying ending.

[@Dealve]

Great video, it's always nice to hear about philosophy through the lens of media you enjoy, but hearing the phrase "The Japanese concept of 'Tsundere'" like it was some philosophical term made me laugh so hard

[@karlimo4034]

Didn´t watch the anime, but ended up finishing the graphic novel on PS3 during the pandemic. Yes, those times made us do crazy stuff.

[@Davlavi]

Informative as always.

[@pedrolizardo7704]

thanks, a video like this was taking too long to be brought up. I think about this since i was one of the few who was astonished that martin heidegger was quoted by name in the anime.

[@divad7137]

Max, please play both Blasphemous games and make a video on the series. They have a very weird and interesting story and cosmology and it seems like the type of shit you would love.

[@rrakkuu]

Kabukimonogatari, one of the arcs of the Monogatari Series, has the same system of time travel of Steins;Gate with equally great execution on its themes and narrative.

[@hoynovski]

As always, fantastic video Max. Thank you.

[@TkngLs]

I definitely prefer the reverse entropy type of time travel. Timeline nonsense usually leaves too many questions and gets pretty convoluted

[@mustangvsenvy]

The 20th century fox gag had me do a spit take... well played

[@Forsen807]

In the latest update for Outer Wilds they make a Steins;Gate reference

[@st.anselmsfire3547]

Oh, Heidegger: the ultimate "problematic" philosopher.

[@MonsterJuiced]

I hope you watched all the others after the first series. The things we get to see are unbelievable. When I first saw this years ago, the first season, it had such an impact on me that I'd regularly have nightmares over the next several years about serious loss and trying to go back to fix it like in this anime. albiet without the microwave thing, it just happened different. I finally got to see the rest of the whole series, the movie and bonus episodes recently and I feel very lucky to have been able to. What you do is watch the first season, and then the movie. Then you watch the special episode "episode 23 beta" which plays half of episode 23, but changes a major decision. After this you watch the Steins;Gate zero series which follows the events from the altered episode 23. Then this whole series fills in a ton of gaps from series 1 and the movie, and I wont spoil the ending :)

[@radekmojzis9829]

Steins gate is one of the best time travel stories out there. You dont get to 9.07 on MAL otherwise. For a lot of people (me included) it is actually The single best piece of media they have ever seen and it just so happens to be a time travel story.

[@cpuuk]

Best cause & effect time travel ever.