Stellantis Is In Serious Trouble: (The Roman Report)

[@omursaraslan6316]

“Who knew price gauging would lead to decrease in sales?” -Automotive Industry

[@vadim6385]

"Can't they not be poor? Ugh"

[@phantomspaceman]

I can tell you what Dodge dealers were saying. "People need cars, they have no choice." I was in sales at that point in time and they were all looking short-term. Take as much as you can now, tell the sales team everything will be fine.

[@killer2600]

*gouging* and it's not gouging if everyone is doing it - it's market pricing.

[@eljoel89]

​​@@killer2600If everyone is doing it it's called price fixing, which is illegal.

[@latashafreeman563]

***Voodoo Economics & Record Inflation intensifies***

[@billjakerson2693]

“What do you mean customers don’t want to buy the pipe bomb 3000 or the shitbox 440”

[@papimiami1938]

Shitbox440 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@tvdootman27]

or the turbo charged pager 6900 IED edition

[@daveh2612]

They have to bring back the SRT Alley Cat Scat Pack Jailbreak Out On Bond Initial Court Appearance

[@herrgable9787]

perhaps they should make cars that are not shit

[@lewdachris7721]

Hard to undo the reputation from decades of garbage vehicles

[@AdamG1983]

It would be a start

[@uo1147]

But the Giulia :(

[@kilovwdude6457]

Get out of here suggesting outlandish shit like that

[@John-kx3ng]

Honestly, yes.

[@ottovonbismarck7094]

Who would have guessed that a company formerly run by the germans, sold to the Italians, merged with the french, run by the dutch doesnt understand the US market

[@hpenvy1106]

Does anyone really? How is Ford doing?

[@mitchcyclops2198]

exactly. Americans dont know what they want. you have to tell them what they want ... and then sell it to them. the Europeans would never understand

[@ottovonbismarck7094]

@@hpenvy1106 expanding with new factories lmao

[@williamegler8771]

Then why have the German manufacturers been so successful in the US market for decades? Mercedes BMW Audi and Porsche dominate the lucrative luxury market and VW itself has a 3% market share.

[@ottovonbismarck7094]

@@williamegler8771 because theyre selling to upper class americans. Dodge is prime working class cheap car and truck

[@jcat96]

Stellantis has concepts of a plan.

[@gayasparagus]

😂

[@solitivity]

We're beginning the process of conceptually initializing the blueprints so we can start on procedures that involve ideological plans, as to commence the first development stage. - Stellantis

[@jaybeemhardscrote7466]

Dayum

[@psikot]

As long as that plan is as far away from EVs and hybrids as possible.

[@ebonwestbrook5580]

*EMOTIONAL DAMAGE*

[@J.Wick.]

If not for the Charger-Challenger craze, and the RAM brand, without the 'hemi v8c moniker, Chrysler wouldve been kapoot 10-15yrs ago. Those 3 alone, imo, have been whats kept them going. And theyve essentially been the same for the past 15yrs.

[@ricker76er]

Don’t forget the Jeep fanatics who will buy anything for a rubber ducky.

[@JBM802]

Ram would’ve been dead in the 90s if it wasn’t for Cummins.

[@psikot]

Have Charger, challenger, hemi V8s sold? That's why they have failed.

[@JSXSProductions]

And the Wrangler. Wranglers were selling like hotcakes and peaked in 2018 - Which was the year that both 2018 JK and 2018 JL models were for sale at the same time (lmao) But as the JL continued to get more and more expensive, they've had declining sales every year since. If Wranglers were still in the $30-$45k range, they'd probably still be selling well.

[@darrensanimalsreptilesfish30]

They legit had no plan for the Charger Challenger ending

[@ozpunk]

Stellantis lost the thread trying to sell a Jeep for over $100,000. Tavares sounds like another scumbag Jack Welch type CEO cutting costs at the expense of quality to chase profits and stock buybacks instead of investing in the company and its future. Fuck it, bring in the Chrysler heir and the shareholders be damned. Also, give us an all electric LeBaron!

[@Kasperl88]

Especially it it comes with the old computer voice.

[@sageoz9886]

Had me until you mentioned the LeBaron. My girlfriend had one and it was one of the most underwhelming crappy cars I’ve ever driven.

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

Tavares and Carlos Gosn are basically the same. They are motivated by crosscutting, short term profits... But they're clever in a sense that they overhaul the entire car lineup with fresh designs and cool innovations. Unfortunately, they don't care about reliability. Stellantis really innovated with the Puretech engine. But they spent 0 efforts on ensuring reliability. This mentality extends towards the numerous electronic gizmos inside the cars. The Citroën C3 has an awful infotainment system which overheats and shuts down. Unfortunately, the climate controls are built into the infotainment system. I drove 400km with a thermostat set to 27C in a brand new C3. It was unpleasant.

[@sageoz9886]

@@user-xg6zz8qs3q how far Citröen has fallen. They used to be one of the best cars one could buy a decade before the competition in innovation and design.

[@kelliefernald449]

Americans will always love v8s and mopar built their brand around offering the most v8s at the cheapest prices for 20 years and there was zero reason to buy a mopar otherwise. To abruptly cancel all v8s is no surprise that they lost 50% of sales overnight.

[@charlesharmon4926]

Yep it’s like when Sears sold the rights of craftsman tool and kenmore appliances to be sold in other retailers there was no reason to set foot in Sears anymore.

[@rexthewolf3149]

Except most cars on the road today and I say for the past 30 years didn’t have v8s in them

[@BilliamCurt]

​@rexthewolf3149 The V8s, especially the Hellcats, had the halo car effect on the rest of the lineup.

[@GalaxieMarauder]

Going back to the 50s they've been making popular V8 motors I don't know how old you are where you came from but Chrysler's been making very powerful V8 engines and putting them in cars since the 50s and that's what it created their legacy and their loyal customer base. Removing the V8 did not remove their customer base removing the V8 engines removing those models entirely replacing them with nothing and then offering new car one model, a new car 30% higher than what is competition is offering is the reason why you're losing sales. The Dodge hornet the one new car they introduced in 15 years! What's the retail price of $38,000 even though the Honda HRV the competitor for this specific car is being sold at $23,000. That's why your sales are down I have no idea how you people read newspapers and and do your economic planning. You canceled your two most popular cars and replace them with nothing and then you introduce one overpriced Evie and another overpriced compact sport utility vehicle and then tell people to buy them.

[@GalaxieMarauder]

​@@charlesharmon4926Sears didn't celebrate the Craftsman the person that owns Sears did that it was Eddie lampert. And the only reason he did that is because he ran the company so badly under the 10 years that he owned it that they were desperate for cash. Sears just likes galantis has his habit of hiring these short-term managers who don't have a real plan for organization of running these companies they just want to meet their shareholder return and get their annual bonus and then leave

[@Revenant_Knight]

No more bailouts. Last time the taxpayers saved them they screwed over customers. Let them go out of business.

[@Hazdazos]

Stellantis' CEO makes $40,000,000/year. They are probably the worst run car company out there today. Compare that with Toyota, which by most metrics is one of the best run companies today. Toyota's CEO makes 1/10th of what Tavares makes. How the bloody hell does that make sense? Stellantis' biggest issues is shit quality and lack of new products. That $40 million could pay for a lot more quality engineers or new product designers or better equipment for factory employees. Instead Stellantis, in their infinite wisdom, choose to give it to ONE individual. This is a textbook case of corporate greed and incompetence.

[@joshaulis8326]

Couldn't have put it better.

[@killahurtz6786]

Guy from Mopar family here. I want "Stellantis" to succeed but Roman brings up why its unlikely. They dumped all their resources into their Italian brands and basically "lived on assets" on each legacy platform in the US brands until sales slowed down and the models discontinued. Its sad when you think that all Chrysler really needed was some art-deco pzazz to refresh the brand as that was always kind of its styling niche and cachet. I seen once a PT Cruiser in the Netherlands decorated in 1920's art-deco, and it was the nicest PT Cruiser ive ever seen lol. They could cash in easily on re-inspiring the brand to its roots, like linking Dodge to Adrenaline or Jeep to 1941. Also, the first time I saw a Dodge Hornet, I swear, I though it was a car that was an AI design based on a cumulation of features the AI thought people might like lol.

[@phantomspaceman]

"Let's invest more heavily in Alfa Romeo" should have set off klaxons.

[@SliderFury1]

The Hornet is possibly the biggest fail of a vehicle in the last 25 years.

[@latashafreeman563]

Your ending sentence on the design process of the Dodge Hornet is spot on perfect for the same reasons why Chrysler Corp created the R Body cars in early 1979.

[@SCIFIguy64]

The Hornet is the perfect example of “an car.” Nothing redeemable, nothing abhorrent, it’s just perfectly bland. Without seeing one in a several months, I’m just imaging a smoothed out Porsche Cayenne with zero outside texture or details, something you’d make in automation in an hour. If it was priced at $20k it might be a decent vehicle, but there’s just zero reason to consider it at whatever price it’s at right now.

[@Senthiuz]

Also, on the Hornet, who did they have on the focus group for that name? Who out there was longing for the glory days of AMC, or the Hornet in particular?

[@MM9Productionz]

Should have never gotten bailed out in 2008 and they absolutely dont deserve a bailout now

[@tepperpepper1047]

They've been making sh*t cars for like 70 years. They were crap and unreliable in my dad's time, my time, and are still crap for my kids.

[@lasskinn474]

the chrysler brand in usa has been a disaster perpetually. the only new disaster would be if it would be a disaster for the dealers, engineers and workers as well instead of just for investors and governments.

[@Bleaksigilkeep]

Regardless of your views on the brand itself I fail to see how a private investor buying the brand from a publicly traded corporation is a bailout

[@carlosandleon]

@@BleaksigilkeepStill a bailout regardless where it comes from

[@alexanderstefanov6474]

Stellantis didn't exist then, that was Chrysler

[@therightstuffAK]

Ask your doctor if Stellantis is right for you...side effects may include nausea, headache, indigestion, empty wallet, unreliability, and a case of "I'm definitely gonna have diarrhea" under the hood.

[@FordFlatSix]

They could make the Neon again.

[@hakeemsd70m]

They do, the problem is that we can't buy it here in The States.

[@straightupsquared9892]

@@hakeemsd70m the other problem is that it's still a pile of dookie Fiat at the end of the eday

[@stevangucu522]

They would probably rebrand Fiat Tipo into Dodge Neon.

[@marconesi9368]

@@stevangucu522 thats exactly what they do in other markets 😂

[@gearheadtechnology]

They could but it would be a rebadged alfa romeo and it would be super fancy and way too expensive which isn't what a neon is about.

[@sassed12many]

3 substandard automakers join forces and create a big giant substandard automaker. GM and Ford are also in trouble

[@illegal_space_alien]

Nissan and Chrysler had Carloses that drove them into the ground. If a Carlos becomes CEO of your favorite car, run.

[@RichardFraser-y9t]

Sounds like the Rhodes was drunk when he wrote that, maybe not wrong but drunk.

[@vadim6385]

More like cocaine

[@psikot]

He has a plan. Don't ask him about what it is, just give him money and he will tell you.

[@BentonHart]

Garbage vehicles. My work truck is a '22 RAM 1500 and it's awful. You can hear the engine pinging loudly at part throttle with the AC on, throttle calibration is ass, the radio is a buggy mess, and the door locks work half the time.

[@Miata_On_The_Homestead]

I came to comment this. I'm sitting in my 22 fleet truck right now. My ass hurts from these crap seats. I've had 2 older Ford's with 250K miles, a newer Silverado 4cly Turbo, and now this RAM. It's is by far the worst work truck I've ever driven. Many in our fleet have been dead on the highway from the E-torque. Even just small things like the bed tray being warped from dealer, the rear seats not locking in the folded up position, the start/stop killing the engine when trying to pull out of an intersection. They couldn't even position the gas/brake pedals at a human driving position, the brake is super high compared to the gas. You can just tell they figured "some fleet will buy it, doesn't have to be good." No thought into it. I hope they go under so that I never have to be subjected to another one of these piles. Here's hoping my company gives me an exception and allows me to use my old frontier with a stipend, even though it's not full sized.

[@karols432]

💯 I thought I lucked out and got a top trim Laramie as a rental a month ago...appalling in every possible way. Like you said, the throttle calibration on these is soooo bad haha...no matter how light I was on the throttle, it would spin its wheels at a light, but it still felt like all of the power was going to only the back right wheel haha...add to that the completely disconnected minivan feeling steering and ancient suspension it felt I was sitting on top of it while driving. And don't even get me started on all the chintzy shiny plastic crap that somehow already looks dated that they surrounded that stupid laggy oversized screen in the dash with, which like the leather seats, already looked faded and beat to hell after 32k miles. And they want 80k for these things 🙄

[@kenhaze5230]

You're probably lying but obviously the trucks are good. Which truck brand is most popular among hotshotters?

[@murasakifjc]

Worked for my city last year and right before leaving was given a 22 ram work truck. What a total pile of trash. Was already starting the hemi tick at 6k miles and had multiple times where battery drained miraculously overnight. And yeah, that radio would freeze ALL THE TIME.

[@Miata_On_The_Homestead]

@@kenhaze5230 trucks so good, the only one worth buying has another company's engine. But realistically, most of us are talking about the 1500s, since that's what most people use. The RAM 1500 drivetrain options are awful. I'm admittedly not well versed in the diesel side of things. But my experience with rams vs Ford, Chevy, and Toyota are very negative in comparison.

[@TheJohnlyh]

British Leyland 2.0

[@1985_Honda_CRX_Si]

too real

[@rainsilent]

That was pretty much the entire US automotive industry in the 90s. We are at 3.0 now.

[@JemaKnight]

Hahahahaha, yeaaaaaaaaaah.

[@GalaxieMarauder]

​@@rainsilentno it wasn't. The. US auto industry in the 1990s was perfect. Where you been?

[@engineer_alv]

@@rainsilent pretty much the Big 3 were doing more than OK in the 90s. They had a ton of cash reserves and quite solid lineups. It was also one of my favorite eras because they were still doing the joint venture thing with Japanese manufacturers which brought a variety of interesting vehicles to market as well as better business and manufacturing practices.

[@TheJacobshapiro]

Stellantis strikes me as the sort of company that is constantly coming up with short term harebrained schemes to become profitable and none of those schemes are “just build good cars people want”. Fiat is relatively safe in Europe because of protectionism and RAM and Jeep are cash cows in the US (partially because of protectionism) but they’ll never be a truly successful automaker until they start making cars that actually can compete on their merits rather than simply being kept alive as matters of national pride or to keep manufacturing alive in a country.

[@GalaxieMarauder]

Chrysler does build good cars. The fact is no one stays in business for 100 years not making good cars. If you remember Studebaker folded in 1962. Hudson Nash and Kelvinator formed American motors in 1957. If Chrysler cars weren't any good then they would have folded well after 1918. Even the financial issues in 1979 had nothing to do with the product it had to do with the management. This is where iacocca was brought in to run the company and he paid back all of their debts by 1987 WITH GOOD PRODUCT. PRODUCT is the issue: you notice when Sergio marchione was running the company Chrysler Dodge never got a new product. They got a 200 sedan which was plagiarized from the Hyundai Sonata in Italy. Then they sold his car in the United States market only to figure out that the roof line in the rear of the car was too small for adult passengers. This is not something that Chrysler would have done as they had experience making full size and mid-size sedans for 100 years, for example rhe Dodge Aspen and Plymouth Belvedere 😊. These issues would have been addressed in the mock-up stage from 3-D clay model to the actual sheet metal sculpting. So much you only dies in 2020 the company decides to merge with Peugeot Citroen but the problem is still the same thing there's a concentration of Europeans who are guessing what Americans want to buy they're telling Americans what they want to buy and they're continually wrong. There is absolutely nothing wrong with badge engineering and clearly you can see by the brouhaha and the Wagoneer platform that that would have been better off as a badge engineered truck. There could have been a Chrysler version of the Wagoneer which would have competed with the Infiniti QX60 and the Cadillac Escalade and it would have been a more utilitarian work model of the Jeep Wagoneer which would have competed with vehicles like the Chevy Tahoe and the Chevy Suburban which would have been marketed by Dodge. Then you also have the selfishness of the Alfa Romeo chassis not being shared either you can take that stelvio and you could have made yourself a nice little small entry-level luxury SUV under the Chrysler name. and you could re-engineered that Jeep renegade to make a small little Dodge rampage type vehicle which would have competed with the Ford Maverick see all of these things could be done it would have made the company money it would cost almost no investment because they're all badge engineered products. Jeep apparently expected to run the company because they have a full lineup of SUVs from small to large. So when you when you when you see people like Carlos Tavarez and Sergio marchione you know that these guys are con men only only interested in increasing shareholder return so they can get their annual bonus. Company gets run into the ground they become billionaires it's never their fault, 2 billion people in North America lose their job. All you have to do is badge engineer what you have to build a full line of products especially since all of the Chrysler Dodge ram and Jeep vehicles are usually sold at the same store by this time. Badge engineering is the perfect way to do this. You have bad engineering and you have marketing this entire company does not have one dedicated luxury division perfect place for Chrysler perfect place people are not going to buy a Maserati, you know that they're not going to get stuck with some Italian car after this thing's warranty runs out. And DS is making Eevee cars and nobody wants an EV car and really the brand doesn't have any growth potential at all anyway. Chrysler has a dedicated presence of being a luxury car even in Europe if you were to get a 300 you see 300 is better equipped than a lot of those Mercedes-Benz Audis jaguars and bmws. It's already known to be a luxury car in Europe. And I feel what you say you just pretty much making cars for the national market but this really has nothing to do with the United States or Chrysler in general because Chrysler is still a popular brand in North America and has a very loyal buyer base and even still they do sell a lot of cars when you give them something to sell. 22,000 is a price for that car. The brands that are going to suffer going to be Fiat because Fiat doesn't have any real appeal outside of southern Europe and South America. Opal has no global market presence outside of Europe. Citroen is also a dying name brand. You can find Peugeot in Latin America but other than that name brand is weak.

[@griffins750]

I once saw them called “Global Leyland” 😂

[@KR-hg8be]

Somehow ram fucked up the new 2025 1500s, lots of reports of the hurricane i6s having serious issues right off the lot. So, they may have managed to fuck up the one highly profitable thing they owned in the US.

[@HakanKoseoglu]

> Fiat is relatively safe in Europe because of protectionism Madness. There's no protectionism for Fiat at all, and other car brands would eat into their market in a second if they could. Fiat's own space has been eaten by Kia and Hyundai in a major way, and Renault group is still eyeing it badly.

[@zachroberts1988]

Chrysler died in 98 when it became diamler-chrysler... Honestly, you could argue after Iaccoca left it was the beginning of the end!

[@adamelliott2302]

I think it's further back than that. I believe their first "bail out" was the industrial production ramp up during ww2. Just my thoughts anyhow.

[@zachroberts1988]

@adamelliott2302 lots of major businesses had to get "bailed out" during the the war or in the late 40s since the government dictated so much of what they could produce... some got lucky and some didnt...

[@psikot]

Were they ever successful? When were they last sustainable?

[@zachroberts1988]

@@psikot They were considered the most "forward thinking" car company in the 50s and 60s and saw year over year growth in sales until the early 70s... However they got caught with their pants down in the 70s going all in on low quality land yachts when ford and GM had already downsized their whole fleet to compete with the rising competition from imports and the fuel embargos... Iaccoca saved them by building small efficient vehicles, but after making the mistake of promoting eaton instead of Lutz to CEO, the company found themselves in turmoil again by the mid 90s... and we know the rest...

[@keepmovin1320]

The CDJR brands should've remained an AMERICAN company instead of being sold to a company who doesn't know anything about the U.S. car market

[@Glenni91N]

I'd say it's split. Stellantis has not done a good job at all with the American brands. And while they have some issues in Europe too, their European side, Peugeot, Opel/Vauxhall, Citroën, Alfa Romeo, Lancia and Fiat. Seem to do far better on our side of the Atlantic. Though Fiat, Alfa Romeo, and Lancia (yes, they still exist, just.), tend to struggle a bit more than the French and German brands under their wing. Especially Stellantis EVs - Jeep included(!) are selling pretty well here in Norway, the Opel Corsa E is really popular. And the same goes for Peugeot and Citro'ën's offerings. Nearly every model they have is available as petrol, diesel, or EV. Just look at the Opel Astra, or Peugeot 308, for example. As for North America: It's a repeat of the Mercedes-Chrysler merger. Chrysler was fucked over, Mercedes came out mostly okay. I honestly think America's side of Stellantis needs to be sold, and be under American ownership. They'd probably do a far better job at catering to Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep's needs, than let's be honest; the mostly Eurocentric way Stellantis manages the company . Cus it isn't working as it is now. Fix the issues for Stellantis in the US, focus on the home market, and maybe some way down the road they'll be able to sell Chrysler and Dodge again in Europe too. Yes, Europe is mostly hatchbacks, stationwagons and now crossovers. But there is ALWAYS a demand for modern muscle cars, American sedans, cars like the 300 C, among enthusiasts in Europe too. Especially here in Norway and the rest of the Nordics. No they aren't the most common car here, but you will see the occasional modern day Dodge Charger, Challenger, Ram SRT 10, - not to mention the Ford and GM equivalents like the Camaro and Mustang.

[@wifelikecow]

Yes. 100% Agree. That being said, and I know it would be a huge undertaking for GM, but I would LOVE to see Opel come back into the GM fold, and maybe eventually see Holden be brought back. I get what GM did was for their benefit so they could "trim the fat" but I feel they could have done it a different way...like getting rid of the Ecotec engines, and NOT focusing so hard on trying to gain a foothold in a volatile market such as china with a relatively unexciting brand like...Buick.

[@lego4virgo]

@@wifelikecow Then, they'd have to dump Buick and make Cadillac THE definitive luxury brand, with no 'stair stepping' from a Buick to a Caddy, because China is what kept Buick afloat, for the most part.

[@wifelikecow]

@@lego4virgo I would miss Buick, but that should have been the idea in the first place. Cadillac was always supposed to be GM's premier luxury brand, not Buick. If they really wanted to make Buick profitable without creating internal competition, they'd've turned Buick into what it should have been and what Oldsmobile, and eventually Pontiac and Saturn were: The mid-landing. I get China is a highly profitable market for GM, and the Buick division, but I get the feeling they should have badged Chinese Buicks as either Opels or something else.

[@pootispiker2866]

The difference is in Europe, the cars they produce the most of are sustainably affordable for most of the people who buy the cars. Sedans, coupes, and hatchbacks rule the road. In the States, every automaker is focused on high-margin 60k vanity piece pickup trucks, thinking they'll sell forever.

[@bzilla-d4i]

I've noticed that there seems to be some confusion with people, Ferrari does not belong to Stellantis, they've been a publicly traded company since 2016, on their own, not a subdivision of FIAT either, and has never been part of Stellantis. Ferrari is in actual fact still a tiny company, a boutique manufacturer that only makes $5billion in revenue yearly, compared to guys like Toyota and VW which make $250 and $260billion in revenue annually, and those guys run a successful F1, and WEC/Le Mans team as well as automotive company. Which is to be commended.

[@lasskinn474]

a big fiat owner/founder family owns a bunch of it through the arrangements of dividing fiats ferrari shares to fiat-chryslers owners. and yes keeping a company like ferrari from going bankrupt is commendable. it's not easy and not "printing money" even with the special models people are in line to buy since you need to walk on a razor blade to keep the line existing by not tanking the 2nd hand prices - that part of business is like printing collectible cards, not easy, since buying them has no link to any practical need.

[@bzilla-d4i]

@@lasskinn474 you mean the Agnelli family? Not a big FIAT founder, they have a name. The Agnelli-Elkann house owns 23% of Ferrari. Piero Ferrari(Lardi) Enzo's bastard owns 10% and he's the Vice Chairman. They did it to get it out of the hands of Stellantis, because they knew what was coming. Ferrari have the same people working on their F1 and WEC cars engineering their road vehicles as well. As it used to be. I'm from the Greater Milan and lived out in Maranello for a period of my life, and those guys are masters at their craft like no other on the planet. Ferrari itself is an engineering institution. As an Italian it was a Mecca for me as a kid. The Agnelli family used to be the most protected family on the planet, they carried cyanide pills with them in case of being kidnapped.

[@mateuszzimon8216]

@@bzilla-d4i Agneli (Exor N.V) own a 14% of Stellantis, 27% value/45% vote in CNH (Case/New Holland), 27% of Iveco (Trucks and Military vehicles) and more than 33% of Ferrari

[@bzilla-d4i]

@@mateuszzimon8216 yes but Stellantis does not own Ferrari buddy, that's the point, we all know what the Agnelli family owns in Italy. Add Juventus football club to that as well. Rounded off 59% of Ferrari is publicly owned, 11% is owned by Piero, 6% by BlackRock, 24% by Exor, so your mathematics isn't working my friend. Don't know where you get the 33% from.

[@mateuszzimon8216]

@@bzilla-d4i From Exor N.V wiki page, they own 24% shares but this give 33% of voting power "22.9% of economic rights, 36.6% of voting rights* this is from Exor site

[@rickbarker6699]

No an old Mopar guy inherited from my father. Mopar is dead. Bought a Honda thing is great.

[@RobiticDuck]

My sister works in the parts department at a Dodge dealership. She tells everyone outside of work to avoid their brands at all costs.

[@LarryTheButcher]

They need an Iacocca-like mind to come in. Chrysler was saved in the 80's by the Omni/Horizon/K car. Granted the Omni/Horizon was already a thing when Iacocca showed up but turning the K car into the Everything platform. Nobody is looking at the, "Entry level," If dodge were to find a way to parts bin build an econobox, 3 or 4 cyl modest in car tech and sell it for under 17k they could be on to profitability. But then again, as a Chrysler fan when I was a kid (I always wanted a Daytona Turbo Z) How often can a company have a rebuild year as if it's a 30th place NFL team.

[@BroadwayJoe99]

One of the oldest axioms in Detroit is "small cars make small profits". They've happily ceded that entire segment of the market to Japanese and Korean manufacturers. It would literally have to take another humiliation on the level of what happened in the wake of the 1973 OPEC oil embargo to make Detroit change its ways. And let's be totally honest - their first attempts at such vehicles were truly hideous. I mean, there is a reason we call it the Malaise Era. That said, Detroit (aside from Stellantis, of course) is already pretty much bulletproof from another such humiliation because of one thing - EVs. Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to EVs in any way, shape, or form. But from their perspective, who needs to build a small, gas-efficient vehicle when you can just make luxobarges that run on batteries instead of gas, and claim that they're more efficient - a claim that isn't untrue (more or less), but is basically a sort of have-your-cake-and-eat-it vibe. Do note that the EVs with the longest ranges coming out of Detroit are the largest of the large, mostly because their train of logic is larger the vehicle, the more batteries you can cram into them.

[@robertkirchner7981]

Stelantis builds plenty of entry level cars, but would Americans buy a Citroen C3, even if it were re-badged as a Plymouth?

[@BroadwayJoe99]

@@robertkirchner7981 Probably not, because Detroit and Madison Avenue have brainwashed a sufficient number of Americans into thinking that owning a comparatively small, fuel-efficient vehicle makes you some sort of deviant.

[@JollyGiant19]

@@robertkirchner7981 Nope. We sure didn’t buy Yaris enough to keep it here What is any other small car going to offer? People who buy new have money, people who don’t have money buy used.

[@TalenGryphon]

Stellantis is one of these "Private Equity Firms", aren't they? If so Chrysler is already dead. But keep an eye on shareholder returns as it gets augered into the Earth. This is almost certainly engineered failure

[@griffins750]

Once heard them referred to as “Global Leyland”, I think that’s fairly accurate.

[@_Devil]

Its wild how incredibly well Dodge was doing under Fiat, like it's a night and day difference compared to Stellantis

[@lego4virgo]

FIAT needed Dodge to do well, to use them to get into the door for their other FIAT brands. Stellantis had no need for CDJR; they just wanted FIAT under this global umbrella, and could care less about CDJR.

[@JohnSmith-in1tt]

From 2022-2023, I worked as a salesman at an Alfa Romeo/Maserati dealership. The cars were okay, but all of the higher ups in Stellantis seemed to think that they could compete with cars of much better quality and they would set pricing accordingly. Every month when we would get the new lease rates and pricing, they were always higher and higher, and we wondered how long we could go on selling these cars. Stellantis is too cocky for its own good and deserves to fail if it does

[@wjye]

Nobody wanted an electric dodge charger, and nobody wanted the hemi engine axed. They legit slapped their core buyers in the face.

[@Jazz-nm1kf]

Ngl, Rhodes comes across as a pretty entitled and self agrandized idiot here. MY families company deserves more money and recognition, and it's only struggling because you didn't follow MY ideas, and only MY guidance can bring about an idealized future... Sure buddy.

[@longhaulflyer]

"I had a major stockholder position until we drove the company into the ground and it went bankrupt..."

[@derodge]

I would be pretty upset too. If my family's money was being ran into the ground during my generation.

[@dubvuchyea502]

To be fair, any idea is better than the current one 😅

[@topleybird2443]

The guy is just some furniture salesman iirc. Pathetic.

[@psikot]

Just give him the money.

[@JA-zh5xi]

Well - when you build trash tier quality products and don’t sell your garbage with at least a 30% discount to other car companies you stop selling cars. They have always been cars for people with bad credit and or no money.

[@mankind8088]

100000000% a poverty mindset company all the way

[@SneedSeeding]

A dude with bad credit and money would just make a huge down payment and get a decent car to improve his credit. People who buy Chrysler cars have no money, bad credit, and no sense.

[@psikot]

If they bought Toyotas, rebadged them as Dodges they would still fall apart.

[@dbblues.9168]

When a car company tries selling an Alfa Romeo in America by rebadging it as a dodge, Dart and selling it for $50k, you know that company is on its death bed.

[@rubberwoody]

When did they ever sell the Dodge dart for 50,000?

[@RespectfullyHumble]

True however if the Dodge Dart and Dodge Hornet where based on a "BMW" , "Mercedes", or "Audi", German platform they would have been much more successful here in America. Why? Because the overwhelming vast majority of American customers like and trust the usual inside the box Luxury Brands like Audi, BMW, and Mercedes Benz. The American consumer just doesn't trust the Italian brands and that's a fact. That's why they fail.

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

Dealer tech here. These cars stink. I suspect they are going to die in a few years.

[@GalaxieMarauder]

Can't die there's too many jobs at risk. And I'm not talking about the dealership only in the manufacturing plants you also got the vendors the vendors for the fabrics for the seats and then the tires and then the metal for the brakes and all these other components that's about 1 to 2 million lost jobs bro in North America. At your County department of motor vehicles the people that drive trucks and run the local warehouses with a stockpile the parts for assembly and the parts for the dealers all this whole network and that's just in North America then you have another problem over there in Europe probably 3 million jobs over there because the company is a spread all over those European countries in France and Italy and Germany and turkey and Slovenia and Slovakia. What's going to happen is Carlos Tavares is going to get fired and then the United States government is going to ask for an American person to come there and run this company if the American unit is the most profitable than an American should be running the company dedicated to bring you return profits. And that's the second reason shareholder revolt when the shareholders get tired of this guiding on tell him to get lost and they're going to pick an American from internal and Detroit or somewhere

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

@@GalaxieMarauder if they keep building vehicles that nobody wants to buy, something has got to give. Period.

[@ShooterMcNut]

I'm shocked! You're telling me that the $115,000+ "grand wagoneer" isn't selling well?

[@rubberwoody]

Adjusted for inflation the original 1991 wagoneer started at $67,000

[@seththomas9105]

@@rubberwoody Wagoneer was around a lot longer than that.

[@cj-fh4nx]

Why would anything $115 would sell well. It can still sell enough to earn profits Stellantis needs to have it's cars under $60k to sell well.

[@rubberwoody]

@@seththomas9105 yes but 91 was the last production year of the original

[@PerfectlyUselessComment]

How about a $35K basic small pick-up truck that we actually want? Just a thought.

[@MillVillage]

More like $25k.

[@latashafreeman563]

Not until the Chicken Tax goes away...

[@ivanjuric6979]

​@@latashafreeman563 If the truck is built in US chicken tax does not affect it. Honestly Stellantis will have a great 2025 in Europe Citroen eC3 will sell well, Fiat Grande Panda will also be a hit. Honestly they should keep Jeep and just sell the rest of US brands to Ford lol. And yeah killing Challenger and Charger was retarded, they could have milked the F&F movies hype at least for 3-4 more years.

[@angry_tau]

Exactly! Why not provide literally any competition to the Maverick's market segment? At MSRP, the Gladiator is more in competition with the Ranger and Canyon, and that's not accounting for bonkers dealer markups amongst the mid-sized truck segment--which have only served to widen the price gap between the Mav and most of the domestic mid-sized trucks.

[@ibrahimcehajic]

Remeber the chevy Colorado and gmc canyon, pretty basic small truck for way under 30k, yet no one was buying them. People say they want them, yet no one bought them,

[@malatrixlestrange2362]

I feel like the Mopar brands have stagnated heavily. I remember pricing up base-model vipers in highschool, dreaming of what could be. The "new" Challengers came out when I was starting to look at cars and those, plus the chargers and 300c's kind of defined the mopar brands for almost a decade. Jeep seemed to flail around trying to find new niche buyers and cater to SUV enthusiasts. How many Jeep vehicles are actually off-road-worthy? The new grand wagoneers couldn't get themselves out of a ditch that older ones could. Why is the gladiator a 4dr, extended bed only? Etc., etc. I could see making an attempt to cater to new car buyers with dodge and plymouth brands like what Toyota tried to do with Scion. Make a low-end budget hatch/sedan/coupe and slap the plymouth branding on it and market to young/new buyers. I was honestly really interested when they unveiled the new Dart, as it was so different from the rest of what they were doing, but sadly, it fizzled out. As an AMC owner, it's weird to see the Hornet name badged on a terrible car and feels like the energy of AMC, scrambling to find successful markets by doing weird things like the gremlin, pacer, and eagles with little resources isn't there. The industry focusing on SUVs and light trucks getting in the way of innovation and creativity certainly isn't helping.

[@Major_skill_issue-gbl7]

Breaking news, corporate greed and rich people are ruining stuff in pursuit of infinite profit margins...eat the rich

[@REPDETECT241]

Demented management. Like at VW

[@uo1147]

I know this will get lost in the sea of comments, but I just want to say, Roman, thank you SO MUCH for the time and effort you put into these. Posing questions, and talking through your analysis in the style you do is just absolutely wonderful content and it gets people talking and thinking about these issues. We appreciate you a ton for what you do, thanks for being another creator that actually cares, there isn't that many left.

[@jarredgeis625]

These guys put a lot of hard work into this channel

[@LimitedTimeRoman]

THANK YOU! It really means a lot to me when people watch my videos! And not just because of views. I actually really enjoy making these, so I'm genuinely happy when people enjoy them. Makes my week.

[@original__gmebvy]

They aren’t the only ones, Nissan isn’t doing good this year. You should cover them next.

[@crouchb15]

when is Nissan ever?

[@TheJacobshapiro]

@@crouchb15for a long time in the 90s and 2000s Nissan was doing quite well and making better cars in many segments than Honda and Toyota.

[@zachroberts1988]

@@TheJacobshapiro after Renault bought them in the late 90s the quality took a serious nosedive!

[@sandorbence2067]

For Nissan, they are doing better than in the last decade now that they have some freedom and not just Renault getting all the spotlight. Mitsubishi though...

[@korasov]

@@sandorbence2067 iirc mitsubishi motors were first on "ditch the sedan" track. f'd around, found out.

[@Almighty_cornholio]

Chrysler/Dodge have been on deaths door since the 1980s

[@AmosDohms]

At least they had a full lineup back in the early 2000's.

[@rhkips]

The last time I was excited about a Mopar product was 1982, when I was conceived in the back seat of one.

[@sostareci]

If you produce junk, that is what you can expect.

[@Lynxx0r]

The announcement of the Chrysler Voyager again for 2025 is kinda sad and really shows they don't have anything going on. "We don't have anything remotely new, but we need SOMETHING to put us on the home page of Car and Driver for a few days. Let's release the same fleet minivan we've been making for 5 years again with nothing new except a bigger infotainment screen. Starting at the low low price of $42k!" On another note, if there was an alternate timeline in which the ME Four-Twelve made it into production, I just wonder how Chrysler would be doing today.

[@raymond_sycamore]

Okay so you CAN get a HORNET for $25,000 but DO YOU WANT TO?!

[@AIDAHAR210]

Cant pay me 25K to take one

[@howmuchmorecanItake]

25k better come with all the upgrades and a 100k mile bumper to bumper warranty

[@justinroebuck1719]

Exactly

[@TheBrah808]

Heck no. It's going to break within 6 months.

[@rubberwoody]

Just pay 6 grand more and get an Elantra N

[@AMCguy]

Stelantis’s only saving grace would be to build a truly affordable sedan and pickup line. A truck so utilitarian with no bells and whistles that can be bought off the dealer lot for 25,000. Same for the sedan, a saving grace sedan that can get people from point a to point b. It needs to compete with other brand options but mainly needs to convince used car market buyers, it worth getting a loan for

[@slinkster1772]

I agree with that you're saying But look at the ford maverick, I thought those would be flying off the show room floor But you hardly see them on the roads

[@gusweiss952]

100% this

[@Black-Villain]

​@@slinkster1772the Maverick *IS* flying off of showroom floors, the problem is it's based on the Bronco Sport/Escape platform and made on the same assembly line, 2 popular vehicles that sell in numbers, so production is limited. They literally sell every single Maverick they can make, good luck finding one on a lot, you pretty much just have to order one and expect to wait a year+

[@shanec9672]

​@@slinkster1772this feels a little anecdotal. Where I live, they are very very common and totally sane choices. That being said, if they made one with two doors and an 8-ft bed and kept it affordable (under 30k honestly) like I said in a different comment thread here, I would be ecstatic, and so would many people I work with in the trades. That's anecdotal on my end, though.

[@lot2196]

I don't think you see many Mavericks on the road is because they don't build many.

[@ironrain1x]

Jeep we decided to become luxury with a touch of nissan reliability

[@billmyke746]

Spot on. Well said!

[@welles28]

Rhodes comes across as a crank. That aside, putting together a bunch of failed or failing brands will not somehow create success. Stellantis is a dead company walking.

[@robertkirchner7981]

If you want to storm the gates of an international corporation, maybe proofread your manifesto for spelling and punctuation before hitting "send".

[@mercuryredstone2235]

This feels like the fall of British Leyland all over again. How do I know about that? I saw Jeremy Clarkson do a documentary on it.

[@BlackPill-pu4vi]

Jeremy Clarkson's documentary was spot on but, that's only the beginning of the mess. There are other videos on the rise and fall of BL and it just boggles the mind. So much potential and it was all lost. IMO, I wish Thatcher would've ordered BL to break up and return to the various individual companies that existed before BMC and its successor, BL. It would've taken a lot of subsidy to manage the deconstruction/reconstruction but, in the end it would've paid off handsomely IMO.

[@griffins750]

Once heard them referred to as “Global Leyland” 😂 On a podcast episode detailing the history of British Leyland and the Rover SD1 which the presenter had just bought and driven 2,500miles or so back to their storage garage

[@harrisonthorburn7415]

Stellantis has an Old-GM problem. Way to many brands, desperately trying to rationalize platforms and products globally. It might be better to wind down several of the unpopular or unprofitable brands, sadly including Chrysler. A breakup may also be a wise option. Group the brands together and spin them off into a few companies who can allocate their resources in a more focused way. I was hoping we would get some of the European brands like Opel here, but it appears that isn’t going to happen. I feel like Daimler did a better job at least trying to keep the product development and “synergy” working, even though it ultimately never amounted to a profitable venture.

[@phdep1]

in 2022, I bought a 2011 Chrysler 300 Limited with the 3.6 Pentastar and 95k on it at the same time I bought a 2012 RAV4 V6 with 135k on it. We've put 35k on the Chrysler and 40k on the RAV4. I have about $8k in repairs into the Chrysler and all I've ever done to the 2GR-FE in the RAV is routine maintenance. Nothing has ever broken. Nuff' said.

[@careycummings9999]

I just love Roman's reports, even when they are on subjects that I couldn't give a rats mustache about. Stellantis made 6.168 million vehicles in 2023. Tavares made 40 million. He gets $6.48 for every vehicle. If I was unfortunate enough to have to own one of those vehicles, I would write to him and ask for my $6.48 back! But hey, I'm surprised that any Dodge/Chrysler/Plymouth vehicle even exists anymore. They were crap then, they're crap now. I would buy a clapped out japanese car before I would buy a slightly used Stellantis anything. It would be cheaper in the short AND long term.

[@Mikegastaldo]

I'm sure that the MSRP on their products has everything to do with not selling..I really like the gladiator.. I'd like to buy one...100k?😂😂😂.. that's funny.. id rather burn my money in my fireplace than pay that.. what about the full size RAM trucks 80 k..100k..120? Lol..😂.. these guys are crazy ..bad leadership... these trucks should be 35k..39k..max

[@JollyGiant19]

Even picking all the most expensive options I can’t get a Gladiator anywhere near 100k It’s 75k at its most expensive

[@Mikegastaldo]

@@JollyGiant19 I'm sure you have not been to a Dodge dealership in a long time because If you had you'd understand what I'm talking about...go look at full size RAM trucks..80/100/120k is the normal ... even a loaded jeep Cherokee is around 100k... 😂..I can't even type it without laughing... you really need to go see for yourself..

[@PierceMD]

Have they tried NOT being premium priced garbage? I could've been a potential customer, as I don't actually mind buying a Jeep or Fiat here in Canada.

[@ZVMoYxMAjTEwAMEb]

This is what happens when investment bankers run auto companies. They don't give a crap about the product they make, they don't care about who makes the product, and most importantly, they don't care about the customer. This company should absolutely not get bailed out (again), they put themselves here (again) just like they did last time.

[@_RiseAgainst]

But they are world renowned for their reliability and cutting edge technology!

[@ricker76er]

Or lack of reliability. 😂

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

The only cutting edge in their cars is formed by the rough shape they're in.

[@bestoflincolnmotorcompany]

yes world renowned for Crap reliability.

[@KidCorporate]

I audibly chuckled at that part.

[@j0w072]

Bring back affordable, mass produced, rental fleet grade junk. The caravan sold for so many years because it was affordable junk that got people and businesses mobile for a low cost of entry. Building low cost junk is what they’re known for, you aren’t going to convince anyone that you’re upmarket. Just own your place as the cheap transportation go to company.

[@primerim2799]

40 million a year!!! That’s 110K a day - he must be shitting gold bricks.

[@Traysandor]

Overpriced, poor reliability, bad dealership experiences, ended production of their most popular vehicles (Thanks EPA). Combine that and it's no surprise people are bailing on the brands under the umbrella.

[@FunkatronicDingus]

I keep forgetting they even exist.

[@MatthewTheCCMA]

It’s absolutely insane the fall of Chrysler and Stellantis. My entire family (shoot let’s include my spouses family) owned nothing but Chrysler vehicles! The shocking decrease in quality and actually good vehicles has caused most of us to switch to other manufactures. When stellantis was announced I was very excited for a very very short period of time. I had stopped buying their products long by that point but was always a secret fan cheering them on. However I defiantly don’t feel like Chrysler is the same anymore. The response from stellantis was very short sighted as well.

[@evanquincy8889]

Stellantis... By idiots for idiots

[@scale_model_apprentice]

Maybe the UAW or the government should make it harder to sell unsafe and uneconomical SUVs. If we had big American sedans again, emissions and profit margins would automatically be better, and kids wouldn't be getting killed unknowingly. It costs less to make a sedan than it does an SUV. No Amanda, you don't need a Z71 Suburban for your two kids and a trombone. Okay, I'm off my soapbox now, lol

[@kentalanlee]

This. Thank you.

[@whette_fahrtz]

SUVs have better profit margins than small cars.

[@scale_model_apprentice]

@whette_fahrtz only because they sell more of them. The only reason sedans don't sell is because 1. There aren't any good ones and 2. Automakers pushed the SUV as "manly" and "safe." Bar for bar, a big American Sedan would turn a larger profit compared to an SUV.

[@blitzwing1985]

@@scale_model_apprentice Also to add trucks are taxed and regulated a lot less strictly than cars. Given the actual day to day uses of many of these SUV's is just doing family car duty tightening that loop hole would help a lot.

[@vadim6385]

What we need is 2020s equivalent of Chrysler K-cars and Ford Taurus, that proved that American car companies can make good cars that people want. Even Tesla, that came out of nowhere, did it, so why traditional American automakers with like 300 years of experience between them, can't do it, especially when they already did it.

[@kelinator2000]

If you’re a car executive on year 10, and you’re blaming your factories for being badly run, it’s admitting that you’re incompetent because you control who manages the plant.

[@NUHUH-12345]

It's so over for Chrysler.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

I don't care if our government says its not a recession. I've seen too many people stuggling. Too many people laid off, and living off savings. It's a recession. Same thing with cars. There are good cars out there, but they're becoming fewer and farther between. Everything is getting bigger, heavier, more expensive, and less efficiant. We're living in a second malaise era. It's 1972 again. The future is bleak, and no one can see it yet. Or at least no one wants to admit it out loud.

[@kuebby]

A recession is an objective economic state which currently does not exist. Your personal feelings are not a relevant factor.

[@FarginBastiges]

I was a lifelong Mopar guy but will probably never be able to afford anything off a car lot. All I can afford now are (very) used Toyotas.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

@kuebby You kind of demonstrate my point. Just because the GDP is up doesn't mean the median American is not suffering. Especially the lower 20%. The fact is we're seeing deflation in many markets BECAUSE Americans are being more frugal with their money. And the feds lowering interest rates has been a good indicator of a recession historically. And guess what the feds just did... Israel is threatening to drag America into another Middle Eastern war, kicking and screaming. Wether Biden wants it or not. As I said, there's a toxic positivity that's only gonna hurt people the same way Crypto did.

[@JuddKramer]

When you make vehicles that are of dubious quality and reliability, you should probably at least make an attempt to sell those vehicles at a lower price point. Harley-Davidson is bumbling its way through the 2020's learning that lesson the hard way.

[@seththomas9105]

Currently being helmed by another European who has absolutally no idea WTF he is doing running a American motor company.

[@raymond_sycamore]

Dodge needs a new $25,000 car. OKAY, so you CAN get a $25,000 HORNET but do you WANT to?

[@lewdachris7721]

15000* dollar car. You can buy a Corolla for 25 grand

[@mankind8088]

Hornet........nope

[@gofasturnleft01]

To make a 1995 Neon and have it meet current emissions and safety regulations… it would cost more than $25,000 to produce.

[@Steve_Reject]

@@gofasturnleft01sad but true.

[@ImmortalThanos]

Myself and my family have been MOPAR people for as long as I can remember. I love MOPAR and the brands that reside beneath its umbrella. The state of the various brands today really saddens me. Honestly, I wish they'd move away from this push to make all new MOPAR vehicles as electrics. I don't want an electric car. I have no desire to drive one. I don't know any MOPAR fans who want an electric Dodge or Chrysler. Just who will these electric cars be made for?

[@JeanPochard]

Stellantis is headed by a French CEO that clearly is fully on board with the suicidal EV transition. No wonder they are making shitty econoboxes

[@jhoncho4x4]

The "Hornet" was an AMC model name anyway, not Chrysler or Dodge. Stellantis could keep AMC/Jeep and sell the Chrysler brands.

[@soulshinobi]

95% of this video was profit going to stock buybacks instead of R&D, but the details were interesting too.

[@reyaswilfred2228]

Thanks for another video Roman!

[@solitivity]

Can we get a dash in the title, please? A colon, hell, I'll take a tilde. *GIve us somethin', please.* 😭😂

[@ziploc2000]

:

[@justinpharand8454]

Stellantis/Chrysler is not a car company. It is a financial institution that sells cars.

[@michaelb6729]

0:48, Is it me, or does that building look like it belongs on Little Saint James Island ??? 🤔

[@kclefthanded427]

They're clearly trying to sell the wrong type of vehicles at ridiculous prices

[@Wheelman81]

My hatred for what Tavares and Stellantis are doing to these brands is so great, it genuinely almost makes me want to sell my Hellcat just to separate myself completely from the brand. It's not just incompetence, it almost feels like this guy has a grudge against these brands is trying to kill them and ruin any pride the brands every held.

[@dawnpoint]

The V8 muscle cars were the only thing they made that were sort of worth buying.

[@derodge]

Their cars have actually gotten better over the years. The problem is the prices are absorbent. Who wants to pay $100,000 for a ram truck or a Jeep.

[@mankind8088]

Gotten better?????????

[@bignspicy984]

Absolutely not

[@robertkirchner7981]

I think the word you are looking for is "exorbitant".

[@SliderFury1]

They are definitely NOT better.

[@bignspicy984]

@@SliderFury1 exactly. My 2001 jeep xj with 230k miles and the interior in perfect condition proves your point.

[@kentalanlee]

Rhodes is correct. Stellantis is just another European mistake.

[@ileutur6863]

Europe quite literally makes better cars than the US.

[@Iconoclasher]

Forget it! There's no hope for Stellantis. It's way too late! That ship already sailed. Barndoor closed after the cow escaped. Damned if we do, Damned if we don't. A Hobson's choice. Too little too late. A rock and a hard place. A dither and a quandary. A Kobayashi Maru scenario. Up Sh*t Creek without a paddle. To be or not to be. A lose/lose scenario. Can't win, can't break even, can't quit. Deal with the devil. Day late and a dollar short. Shoulda done this, shoulda done that. Too late for apologies. Buyers remorse. SOL. FOL. AOL LOL 😂!

[@baronvonslambert]

Hot take, Dodge/Chrysler should have wasted away in the 70's.

[@rubberwoody]

No Omni GLH. No dodge vipers. No modern muscle. We'd lose some good stuff

[@Gene1969]

Stellantis can come back from this. All they have to do is throw in a few ideas from a previous Italian CEO. do a10 year/100,000mile bumper to bumper warranty for the next ten years on every product Stellantis builds. Bring back the base editions (Called the America or Miser back in the day) for a low price entry. Make sure there are parts available for repairs when needed. Modules and everything. Build back goodwill by giving away replacement Durangos to that city that dumped them. Donate a bunch of Ram pickups to Habitat for Humanity and other similar organizations. Bring back the Job Rated designation on the Tradesman level trucks and market the hell out of them. Also sell those Tradesman level trucks at $15,000 less than they are listed now. Make a 300 version of the Charger and name the electric only version the Concorde. (Slogan: It soars above the rest) Take the Fiat 500 E and throw a two seat, sports car body on it. Sell it as a Fiat Barchetta, Renault Clio, and Dodge Turismo or Duster. Throw Wagoneer back into the Jeep fold. Bring back the Renegade as the EV and hybrid entry car. The Wrangler 2door gets a "Heritage" edition that is really basic. No power locks. No power seats. A/C is an potion. Infotainment is an option. Manual transmission. Easy to work on engine. Basic basic basic! Then you throw in challenges and put them on all the medias. $20,000-$25,000 max msrp. Grand Cherokee back as a Range Rover competitor at Ford Explorer prices. New Cherokee That is roughly as fancy as a Willys Edition of a Wrangler. Fix or kill the Hornet. If it can be fixed, again go all out on the reviews. Free long-term versions for every major car review media point. (Magazines and You Tube) including, dare I say it, give one to Wistilin Deisel to kill. From now on, no brand has less than FIVE different products to sell.

[@eljoel89]

"You can't make an economy car that Americans want to buy."

[@baronvonjo1929]

They don't make any good ones. I got a Honda Fit from 2018. I will never buy a Honda or economy car again. Poorly made and unreliable. I'm not impressed with other economy cars I've sat in. It's quite frankly impossible to make a appealing economy car it seems. Maybe overseas. But certainly not here. I gave it a chance. My friends, family, and coworkers all laughed at it because they hated it the moment they saw it and as it began to fall apart I hated it like they did. All under 100k miles.

[@Mrwaffleandmilk]

@@baronvonjo1929Toyota makes the only “economy” car I would suggest people buy. But when you buy an “economy” car. You are really buying a vehicle that had little to no R&D. That’s why I tell everyone cars are not meant to be cheap and are expensive to keep running regardless of brand. I personally will never buy a “economic” car because it’s a luxury item. I used to be an automotive manufacturing engineer now I work in aerospace. Building and designing a car is extremely expensive. Something new car companies are starting to find out (Rivian). People forget that car companies but hundreds of millions into just getting a new model designed and setup for manufacturing.

[@BlackPill-pu4vi]

If Stellanis want to gamble on new cars that nobody asked for, they should do an exact reproduction of the early 1970's Dodge Dart and the bare minimum to bring it up to EPA and DOT standards. The demand would be huge and sustained. An updated 70's Dart would save the company from bankruptcy.

[@DanielSlaughter-vi5hy]

My 2015 Dodge Dart GT was economical and fun to drive. Never had any issues and loved to drive the 6 speed Manuel.

[@michaellorenz7177]

​@@BlackPill-pu4vithey're already doing the bare minimum to build a car. To EPA and NHTSA and all the other specs you can think of. Why do you think all modern cars look the same? They need to invest that money they are spending in stock buybacks into their product portfolios and facilities, but that seems to be the way of the modern CEO. Tavares seems to be particularly bad at balancing the scales and went full cost cutting mode. It's a shame, I know there are individuals (or at least were) inside the company that were real car guys (Ralph Gilles comes to mind) and wanted to put the best product out they could. My biggest "what if" for Chrysler, if I can't get the Daimler merger, is what if Sergio Marchionne didn't die? He seemed to inject a bunch of money updating an already aging platform, and there seemed to be a lot of excitement around the brands before his passing.

[@robertedwards7841]

I am a 70 year old senior that owns a 2021 Ram 1500 classic with 30,000 miles. I recently toyed with the idea of purchasing a new Ram as I am fortunate enough to be able to afford one. The purchase of my 2021 was around 48,000. I found one on line that was similar to mine and called the dealership. To my astonishment the price of the new 2024 model with roughly the same options as mine was 73,000. As previously noted I am in the position to fork out that extra cash but I have discovered as I have aged (as many of my peers have discovered), that even if I can afford that vehicle, it is simply not good VALUE!! The seniors market is not one to be ignored. Lower your prices to a REASONABLE amount and we will once again consider buying. Until then I will drive my 21 that to date has given me great service.

[@BullRunRoad30]

MegaMan at 2:00!

[@deathtoll5000x]

Rivian showed of an EV concept that looked like a '80s or '90s car... Just saying: BRING BACK THE LEBARON

[@ileutur6863]

Stellantis has been making objectively bad cars and poor business decisions, but Rhodes sounds like a spoiled daddy's boy who is mad that old glory is dying down. MY family's name, MY stocks, MY reputation, me, me, me.

[@Revenant_Knight]

My Jeep has been in the service dept for 2 months with no loaner. Stellantis reports they “might have the part” on the 30th. If not, they might have it on the 30th of next month. NEVER AGAIN.

[@bauer431]

First off i would like to say that "Stellantis grew up in a middle class family."

[@SGBassplayer]

It all began to go south when Richard Petty stopped driving Plymouths in 1972…

[@rogerholland316]

Enough with the clean mobility garbage already!

[@dudeman659]

Chrysler as a brand is effectively dead. Dodge as a brand is dying. Ram and Jeep are the only brand with any value left and Jeep is the stronger of the two. Anecdote: I drove a new jeep Grand wagoneer and a new ram 2500 Cummins. Both were good in my opinion. The jeep was large and spacious as well as quick with the turbo 6. The Ram continues to haul whatever the hell you need it too and has the tech and comfort that you would want. The rest of the "Chrysler" lineup is where I see the issue, because it's basically nothing at this point. Just my $0.02

[@eljoel89]

The thing about Chrysler (the brand, not the company) is that they've always wanted to be an entry level luxury brand like Acura or Buick. One, they've never been a luxury anything. They make fancy Doge. That's it. Two, I don't even think they have any current product. Do the 300 and the Pacifica still exist? It's pretty hard to argue a brand has brand presence without selling product.

[@dodecahedron1]

300 is dead, until 2025 pacifica and voyager/grand caravan(lower tiers of the pacifica have been separated into a fleet only model) will be the only models

[@JL-sm6cg]

The Pacifica is all that is left in Chrysler.

[@somebutter6755]

The big thing about dodge/chrysler over the past years is that they have spent the last 10 years building this “anti EV” brand around big V8s. As soon as this brand got established they just turned around and tried to convince people that the inline 6 and EVs are “just as good” as the hellcats they were just selling. Of course the people who were just being sold on a scat pack charger aren’t going to be keen on buying some Italian hybrid.

[@AP-zw6ql]

If you aren't convinced Stellantis doesn't care about the Dodge brand, look at how they stripped the Dodge name off of their Ram trucks. Dodge Ram was a solid name, but some genius thought it would be better to drop the Dodge name and just market them as Ram.

[@alantrimble2881]

Stellantis bought Chrysler in 2021. Ram became a stand-alone brand in 2009. Stellantis has made a lot of questionable moves, but that one wasn’t theirs. Blame Chrysler, LLC, because that one is on them.

[@robertkirchner7981]

That happened long before PSA Group bought Fiat-Chrysler.

[@AJ-rg3pr]

There’s a reason all of stellantis sold a little under 6.4 million cars in 2023 and Toyota sold over 11.2 million 😂

[@DanoFSmith-yc9tg]

Why anyone in the Chrysler corp thought merging with Fiat, a company who has never been in a good financial state, was a good idea, is just beyond my comprehension

[@YouSnoozeYouNooze]

I surprised how much finger pointing these letters contain. Not effective persuasion. Next time- "Build your enemy a golden bridge to retreat across"