Stephen A. can LIVE with Shannon Sharpe's ranking of Shaq among all-time centers | First Take

On First Take, Stephen A. Smith and Shannon Sharpe debate where Shaquille O’Neal ranks among the all-time best centers in the NBA.
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[@mavsnation4life]

Hakeem Olajuwon is the most slept on player in nba history….. wasnt mentioned once in this debate

[@mikemarc92]

Because he is slightly below Shaq.. Hakeem is out the top 10.

[@Pswayze23]

Don't worry too much about these guys opinions, Hakeem just isn't as big of a star, so he won't get mentioned. Especially because Africa isn't a big NBA market.

[@Cagolapedna]

@@mikemarc92 He is not below O'Neal.

[@Cagolapedna]

Because Hakeem Olajuwon is no good for the Media. And these ESPN hyenas are all about the noise.

[@July-yk3un]

​@@Cagolapedna Agreed, I have Hakeem ranked ahead of Shaq.

[@zillagod724]

My question is...why ask a heavily debatable question like this and only give them less than 2 minutes to answer? Come on ESPN 😒

[@Doworkhill]

Stephen A. at the end, "I'm doing it!!"😂😂😂😂

[@jd87926]

Never seen a man like 2000 - 2002 Shaq. That was a cheat code if ever there was one for basketball.

[@lloydbonafide3398]

Wilt was probably still stronger than that shaq at his best. Which is insane.

[@louisiana318]

Hakeem Olajuwon the best big man I seen...

[@terrellbaker1660]

The numbers don't agree

[@mikekillagreen9432]

💯 💯

[@bolo5190]

Wilt also is the only center/bigman in NBA history to lead the league in assists and while doing all the other things, that's absolutely insane. Some ppl think Jokic is like the first elite passing center ever.

[@T92ification]

Jokic is a better passer than Wilt was. And Wilt led in total assists, not per game. And he only scored 13 ppg that year.

[@z-mane1438]

⁠@@T92ificationHe averaged 24 ppg and still impressive he was 2nd in assist per game behind oscar

[@T92ification]

@@z-mane1438 I stand corrected. I was thinking about his last year in the league. I’m not saying that Jokic is better than Wilt, although I do believe he is incredible. I’m just saying that I believe that Jokic is a better passer. He is consistent every year. Wilt only had big assist numbers for a couple of seasons w/ the faster pace of that time period

[@andrelesueur717]

People are gonna discredit wilt because of the era he dominated in.

[@sean24833]

No wilt post season is why he's discredited

[@johnnytomahawk]

wilt played against milk men and teachers

[@kyshaunsmith154]

Rightfully so.. same with bill Russell

[@subconsciouslyinyahead7977]

It should be. There was only 11-14 teams.

[@andrelesueur717]

@@kyshaunsmith154 I mean you can’t hold that against them. It’s not their fault. You play what’s in front of you

[@marcusmosiahgarveysr4310]

Wilt scored more total points, higher ppg average, more total rebounds, higher rpg average, more total assists, higher apg average, and more league mvps. Wilt led the league in scoring 7 times, while Shaq did it twice. Wilt led the league in rebounding 11 times, while Shaq never led the league in rebounding. Wilt's best scoring season was 50.4 ppg, while Shaq's best scoring season was 29.4 ppg. Wilt led the league in assists for one season, which Shaq never did. Shaq has been swept 6 times in the playoffs, while Wilt has only been swept once. Wilt has scored 60 or more points 32 times, while Shaq has never done it. Wilt has scored 50 or more points 118 times, while Shaq has done it 3 times. Wilt scored 40 or more points 271 times, while Shaq has done it 49 times. Wilt has scored 30 or more points 516 times, while Shaq has done 313 times.

[@debosdetails7171]

That’s cool but shaq was more dominant.

[@marcusmosiahgarveysr4310]

​@@debosdetails7171 That's cool, but Wilt was more dominant

[@brandonb2375]

Okay now Compare playoff stats. And keep in mind wilt obviously played in a much weaker era.

[@johnnytomahawk]

wilt played against milk men and teachers

[@larsmichaelsen215]

Obviously all his stats are gonna be higher cause he literally played 48 min a game……………………

[@JoyouHoli]

Listing the player's career stats without mentioning their name is the best approach to assess this. This will eliminate any voting biases.

[@WRNIIVIIII]

I love how Stephen A conveniently forgets about the bus load of hall of famers BR played with

[@alphasports3743]

SA is wrong Shaq never beat the Dream, the Dream schooled Shaq. He made Shaq look like he was playin shadow ball going for fakes jumping at nothing. The Dream was Shaq's nemesis.

[@TopDrifter203]

@@alphasports3743 when shaq was still a puppy

[@TopDrifter203]

when shaq was still a puppy

[@dannynhl9441]

@@alphasports3743 Actually felt by time they faced dream Shaq was a year younger than Penny even though he came in a year earlier and I felt Orlando was becomming Penny's team. Orlando to me is the biggest what if team in past 30 years outside of the OKC Thunder squad from 13 years ago.

[@donjohnston6420]

​@TopDrifter203 David Robinson got a chip before Shaq too so stop it Ewing was his rival too, Shaq needed him some kobe.

[@scorpio1019]

Mad Dog once said Shaq is 5th best center. He needs to be in this debate again

[@leebutz4727]

There's also a guy named Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon

[@CRIMS0N_KING]

Totally agree with Sharpe on this one

[@bolo5190]

Hakeem won championships without an elite second option and without an elite team, so you could only imagine what he would have accomplished with those things that he didn't have.

[@stanleyford2575]

Thank you these dudes don't know basketball

[@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt]

So I guess Claude Drexler don’t count but you’re halfway right the first ring he did that

[@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt]

@@stanleyford2575apparently nether do y’all again. He actually did play with another superstar in his second run. If you knew basketball, you would’ve known that.

[@sirmanni4534]

The best way to grade this is to list the player’s career stats without mentioning their name. This will remove all biases in voting

[@KingL1500]

They should have ran with that energy.

[@HeimiSoirn]

The best big man I've ever seen is Hakeem Olajuwon.

[@powermusicspanish4071]

Every video is a masterpiece. Keep doing what you're doing!

[@RtoioBnoiy]

The calm before the barking is hilarious!

[@mrudhul696]

Hakeem did not play in tne league????

[@July-yk3un]

Yes, and I got Hakeem ranked ahead of Shaq.

[@terrellbaker1660]

Yeah he played. But he is 5 on the list.

[@kobebryant380]

I'm proud of unc

[@miatodd3236]

Me too

[@jamesbaldwin6235]

So proud

[@njoydajourney]

Wilt would beat Shaq senseless one on one. Wilt had a mid range shot as well as post game. So what he was taller than his opponents he was skilled. Shaq was a fouler who did not get whistles for it. He inspired Southern Hospitality chorus section that says "throw dem bows, or drop bows on 'em"😆.

[@lawrence.peoples]

False. Shaq did what bigs have always been taught to do. Hands up, elbows out, clearing space. His power and size made it so that people might complain; but if that’s the case with Shaq, what was it for Wilt?

[@njoydajourney]

@@lawrence.peoples Wilt was finesse like Kareem and Bill. He was not swinging elbows wildly. Shaq was powerful and elbowed people often in any part of the body. Its one to put the folded arm out in the body to clear out for a rebound or to get around a person but even then it was more the forearm or triceps against the opponent not the elbows. Hitting with the elbow should be accidental and every once in a while not every game or multiple times a game.

[@caprice3509]

@@njoydajourneybut he couldn’t beat the 6ft white boys he should have way more championships stop playing man

[@libfit9068]

LOL Shaq was way more skilled than Wilt, and had way more post-moves, way better footwork.

[@jakehighley8037]

@@libfit9068😂😂 all Shaq did was dunk he had no skill

[@albertperez1]

The calm before the barking is hilarious

[@kjjones3587]

I think Wilt himself said that what made Bill Russell the GOAT, was that he made all of his teammates better. Wilt would know better than anyone during that era IMO.

[@datsapaddlin]

Even if you wanna put Shaq over Wilt…Wilt was actually more skilled and a better athlete than Shaq.

[@Artislife1992]

As Foundational Black American’s we have so much great talent that goes over looked. Mainstream media only praise the ‘chosen few’. Can we please stop with these disrespectful pick this one, take this ngaa out post please for God sake. How about lets info people on who the artist are as individuals. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ There should only be conversations of the greatest in a generation. The game changes. Rules change. Evaluation. There so many great players. Folks don’t realize only 400 men even make the league. They’re all superhuman and we should appreciate them as such. There are many forgotten players because the media chooses to only praise a handful. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@deandreawilkins431]

There can only be one 😮😮😮

[@Artislife1992]

@@deandreawilkins431 Facts 😂

[@dez_chi_boi]

At 60 NBA players of all positions still go to Hakeem to learn his footwork and post moves that speaks volumes. The most skilled center ever and the all-time leader in blocks could switch out and guard 1-5

[@georgejones2863]

The real blocks leader is Wilt followed by Bill Russell and Wilt probably out blocked Bill 2 to 1.

[@sullygriffin9902]

To me the answer will always be Russell. He brought so many other things to the table, never mind the titles for which he has 11

[@RamonAdorno-ds1wu]

Shaq never had a 30 point average season, never won a defensive player of the league or led the NBA in rebounds.

[@deontaylor1547]

Yeah are the whole league and they had to have rules changed for him lol

[@terrellbaker1660]

And still got 4 rings to show for it.

[@RamonAdorno-ds1wu]

@@terrellbaker1660 The 4-6 kingdom. A failing grade isn't great. Kareem went to 10 finals won 6. The 4-6 kingdom I call his followers. It's a delusional cult.

[@terrellbaker1660]

@@RamonAdorno-ds1wu Shaq's record in the finals is 4-2 idiot. Which is a PASSING GRADE.

[@Kenpachi324]

Any update on off season moves around the league?

[@bolo5190]

Hakeem gets slept on because he's a international player, if he was a born American that would have not been the case. The media could be bias sometimes.

[@dannynhl9441]

Hakeem had the best footwork to me. Knicks fan here but no shame to admit who the best centers was in the 1990's. I'll even say this. If the Bulls got to the finals in 1995 (They lost in second round to Orlando of course) I think with confidence to say Jordan would have an L on his finals record. That's how insane Hakeem was that playoff run. A Bulls team with a rusty MJ, no Horace Grant (Orlando) and no Rodman yet until following season and it would of been lights out. I look at that new kid on the Spurs and say to myself he's like Penny Hardaway meets Hakeem rolled into one with 3 point game.

[@leebutz4727]

​@@dannynhl9441The Dream played soccer. "...footwork"

[@MiguelCoto-fj6eq]

Is Duncan a C or PF?

[@terrellbaker1660]

He is a PF/C. Like Allen Iverson is a PG/SG.

[@jeffreyl.5377]

Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem, Russell, Wilt

[@terrellbaker1660]

Move Wilt to 2 and Hakeem to 5. Then you would be right

[@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt]

@@terrellbaker1660Nope! wrong again move Shaq to 1 and the rest is perfect before the backlash because I know the media told y’all to put Kareem at number one no matter if they’re all in their primes they’re going head to head in a game who would dominate everyone that’s my question

[@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt]

Oh my bad put wilt ahead of Russell

[@terrellbaker1660]

@@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt That is not how it works. When you compare careers not head to head matchups you will see that Kareem had the greatest total career of any center ever. That is why he is number 1. Patrick Ewing might give Kareem problems head to head. Should he be ranked ahead of Kareem? No

[@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt]

@@terrellbaker1660 I know you don’t make the rules so for me this is how it goes If you’re talking about the best I’m gonna take the guy who would destroy everyone else to win the game if you’re talking careers and accolades well a lot can go into that health conditioning circumstances era teams you played on stars you played with can alter your stats. Some players can have a better career but not be the better players Russell Westbrook has a better career than Derrick Rose but at their best was he better?

[@awesomereviews1561]

Hakeem had no all star teammates and got 2 of the hardest ring to get. Meanwhile Shaq and Kareem had a ton of help. Kareem had 4 of his rings ranked in the easiest rings to get of all time. Hakeem was better.

[@austinburwell5834]

I agree but i can’t say Hakeem is better because he had “less help”. I would say Hakeem is the most skilled center and would be interesting if Ralph stays healthy

[@Shawn-nu8bl]

You smoking dicks😂😂

[@jakehighley8037]

Wilt >>>>>>> Shaq

[@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt]

Make a list of Wilt competition and I’ll make a list of Shaq competition and you tell me who was actually the most dominant

[@Titansfan7788]

Molly said 1992 was 22 years ago lol

[@seancarter7954]

Unc tight at that diss track

[@NakedBlastoise]

Would love to see Shaq in this era, literally break the bones off the centers of today.

[@TonyChase]

I really wish people would stop that absurd narrative of " such & such played with X amount of HOF's" They weren't in the HOF while they were playing. They were voted in just like others. So basically they were just players in the league who were exceptional to great.

[@user-pp7us7wr1k]

Top 50 nba players ever Jordan Kareem Wilt Bird Kobe Shaq Hakeem Tim Duncan Julius Erving Bill Russell Magic Johnson Jerry west Elgin Baylor Moses Malone Scottie pippen John Havlicek Isiah Thomas Stephen curry Kevin Durant Dirk nowitzki Kevin Garnett Kevin mchale Allen iverson Pete Maravich Lebron James Oscar Robertson Giannis antetokounmpo Kawhi Leonard David Robinson Nikola jokic Patrick Ewing Clyde drexler Dominque Wilkins George gervin Paul pierce Steve Nash John Stockton Ray Allen Willis reed George Mikan Bob Pettit Rick Barry Robert parish Sam jones Tiny archibald Bob Cousy Tracy mcgrady Vince Carter Walt Frazier James worthy

[@pablorebsamen99]

In head-to-head numbers against Russell, Wilt dominated Russell. HADES! Russell acknowledged Wilt's superiority himself.

[@themooneytwins]

Head to head games Wilt lost because he was a hog.

[@faheemGood.]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️It is hilarious to see when Steve with Shay or Big Perk or Mad dog about sports.

[@fredbjamz4956]

Wrong for that short segment. They was about to go in 😂😂

[@edentheremix1011]

Bill Russell played in a league with about 6 teams. And his Boston team was the Eastern Conference All Stars...

[@rung1915]

Skip put both these cats on the map

[@ArianTyson]

Well, that escalated quicky!

[@4everyoung869]

Wilt is my number 1

[@rayleigh8]

Shaq got swept outta the playoffs 7 times and he went against an all time center and he got swept.

[@Shawn-nu8bl]

But it wouldn't of happened to shaq😂😂😂

[@DJReyzor357]

Shaq new Diss Track incoming soon 😅😅😅

[@steve-o4957]

The crazy part is that Shaq could have better than all of them had if he had a better work ethic. He has said himself that he didn't work out in the off seasons which Kobe criticized him for. Probably would have had better stamina, fewer injuries, more refined post game, better free throw shooting, etc. Insane to think about how good he could have been!

[@erichramone7812]

32 years ago

[@patrickmccaskill6238]

Shay Shay sound real emotional 😂

[@luisvigo3777]

If Hakeem isn’t in your top 3 then you have no idea what you’re talking about.

[@terrellbaker1660]

Hakeem was great, but not over Kareem, Wilt, and Shaq.

[@luisvigo3777]

@@terrellbaker1660Hakeem clears shaq easily. Open a stats book.

[@terrellbaker1660]

@@luisvigo3777 4 rings clears 2 rings. Shaq's 28,596 pts clears Hakeem's 26,946 pts. Shaq's 3 finals mvps clears Hakeem's 2 finals mvps. What stats book are you reading?

[@kj6118]

@@terrellbaker1660Name the top 3 players Shaq played with and name the top 3 Hakeem played with.

[@terrellbaker1660]

@@kj6118 Name the top 3 players Hakeem played with and name the top 3 players Patrick Ewing played with. See how that works?

[@Shawn-nu8bl]

Everyone schools sas on basketball topics yet he's the basketball expert 😂😂

[@MrNotaroJ]

1.Hakeem, 2. Shaq, 3. Kareem, 4.Russell 5. Wilt in that order. The reason Bill Russel and Wilt Chamberlain are at 4 and 5 is because they played in an era with plumbers and carpenters played in the league and not to mention they were the only guys over 7feet tall. And when they played the average height of an NBA player was 4-5 inches shorter then in the 90s or 2000s.

[@user-xo5qh5cb8c]

Their are some players that dominate a game with scoring and shot blocking. Hakeem could score with plenty of moves around or away from the basket. His post game is unmatched like (kevin mchale). His defense was more than a shot blocker. He was a center that is top 10 alltime in steals. Yes in steals. Let that sink in. Free Throw shooting was not an issue. The guy had no weakness in his game. Period.

[@dubbrown5594]

Shannon is right and his list is accurate

[@colinforsecs3393]

I have Hakeem over Shaq

[@terrellbaker1660]

I like 4 rings over 2

[@codybryant7026]

Wilt played in an era where the talent was way lower and it wasn’t many people his height less than 10

[@prnuvsharma55]

I like Hakeem at 3. Love Diesel but Hakeem was something to behold.

[@Renegade-kf8fp]

Mahomes in the nfl has the same amount of individual accolades as shaq in just 6 years as a starter

[@ArizonaSquatch]

Shaq probably could've been the first over 40K points had he upped his FT by 25% more. He left thousands of points at the line.

[@bolo5190]

What Hakeem, Bill and Kareem had in common is that they were closers, Wilt and Shaq were not, that's a fact.

[@thesaynt7]

32* years ago

[@josiahmitchell8594]

Shaq is number 5

[@NinodaBlogger]

Ummm are we forgetting tim Duncan? Duncan won 3 in Shaq era

[@louiehernandez1477]

I'm do something I hate doing, I'm gonna include players from a different eras. Top 3. 1. Kareem 2. Wilt 3. Shaq

[@awesomereviews1561]

Kareem and Shaq had some much help though. Hakeem won 2 rings without any all stars and against tremendous adversity. 4 of Kareem rings were amongst the easiest run of all time. Give that help to Hakeem and he would have 6 or 8 rings.

[@PhillyBoy1234]

They took twice as many shots in the 50s and 60s than today or even the 80s and 90s.

[@zuccman968]

Wilt was great, but does anyone really believe he would be able to stop the diesel.

[@BossMan-vl5cd]

Top 100 forsure

[@MrKingShad]

either my math off or did molly say 22yrs ago 🤔

[@nealagnew6841]

Yeah molly was off 10 years

[@Uberstrib]

There is no way Hakeem is not #1 on any list. Best 2 player possibly ever

[@terrellbaker1660]

He was not greater than Kareem

[@Uberstrib]

@@terrellbaker1660 2way? Blasphemy!

[@terrellbaker1660]

@@Uberstrib The list is not best 2 way player of all time. The list is greatest center of all time. Like I said he is not greater than Kareem.

[@Uberstrib]

@@terrellbaker1660 well basketball is played 2 ways so you have to account for defense and offense. Offensively Dream shoots better, passes better, dribbles better. And defensive is far beyond the the ladder 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@terrellbaker1660]

@@Uberstrib What you are saying is that Hakeem plays basketball better than Kareem. Which could be true. What I am saying is Kareem has had a better career than Hakeem. In fact Kareem's career is better than any center ever which is why he is the greatest. His resume dwarfs Hakeem's and it is not even close.

[@LatrellSprewell15]

The only draw back.........when I think of him I think he dominated because of his size, not his skill

[@angelatanurdzic7508]

This was hilarious

[@Kritacul]

Kobe even said "If Shaq had the work mentality like me, he would not be the best player in the NBA, but maybe the greatest in the NBA." Shaq could've been there with Jordan, but he chose not to.

[@SealAngel]

What about Dwight Howard????

[@hard-to-handle]

Wilt played against 6'7 people 😂Shannon crazy for that

[@mr.anderson3694]

During his time, there was no one like Wilt. During his time, there was no one like Shaq. The only knock on Shaq was that he wasn't in good shape most of the time. Probably cost him two more rings.

[@albertedwarddee1463]

22 years?

[@SamS-ch6vj]

Shannon = intellect Smith = emotion

[@CesarMercedes-ow3uw]

People forget how olajuwon dominated all those guys shaq he beat him in the finals Ewing veat him in the finals and he toyed with the admiral.

[@uncleclark]

You won’t get away with that comment Molly opening up the segment it’s not actually 22 years ago! Your math was completely off that’s what happens when you read a script

[@user-fs8cs1sz7c]

So many people disrespecting Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain. People always use false logics and narratives to pit against those 2 players eventhough they epitomized what greatness was all about. You can praise your favorite players without disrespecting the others throughout nba history. If Jordan, Kareem, Dr. J, Oscar, Jerry West, Magic, Bird, Kobe, and KG, etc, all held the highest regards for Bill and Wilt as basketball players, who are we all to disagree?

[@1206Muller]

Couple years ago Shannon said Russell over Shaq now cause he’s infront of Stephen a he’s gonna change. Never disrespect bill russell the second greatest center all time

[@_M3NACE_]

I would take Hakeem, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan and then Shaq. That’s my list.

[@Redclxxd]

People gotta stop overrating bill Russell just cuz he has so many rings. He was mid go look at his highlights and numbers. His team was stacked and they were like 8 teams at the time

[@448boski]

Nah his defense was crazy 🔥

[@johnnytomahawk]

wilt played against milk men and teachers. Bill better

[@jeremiahsmith7706]

You're just regurgitating what you've heard others say

[@Redclxxd]

@@jeremiahsmith7706 no I’m not. Everyone glazes Bill cuz of his rings and defense. Hakeem needs to be mentioned before Bill. Hakeem was a better defender and was legendary offensively also

[@Redclxxd]

@@johnnytomahawk they played in the same era. You are just proving my point. Hakeem clears both. Jokic will also clear both of them when he’s done.

[@jonathanpeterson1984]

All time centers? Yeah he’s in there somewhere.

[@29mailliw]

Patrick Ewing is my favorite all-time player with that said its Kareem and his overall approach to the game second is wilt Chamberlain and the fact the league changed the rules to ensure he couldn't dominate. And to wilt credit he didn't want to just use power he actually wanted to showcase other skills which he says himself. And third its hakeem olajuwon . after losing to my boy in the NCAA finals olajuwon outside of Kareem was the one you had to prepare for because he has the footwork of a guard with a power foward build and was a terror on defense. Shaq won four titles and was dominant but if I am starting a team using a big man its hard to look over there and see olajuwon and say I'm gonna choose dominant over work ethics period . and if shaq didn't win four titles I wouldn't have him ahead of David Robinson because of skill sets

[@thomascrowniii1693]

Kareem, Wilt, , Dream, Shaq, Russell...in that order at THAT position. All time regardless of position: Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, Kobe, Bird, Wilt, Dream, Shaq.

[@tattiman]

Prime for Prime Hakeem Olajuwon is the BEST Center of all time Offensively/Defensively. Hakeem, Kareem, then Shaq Top 3.

[@J3TRO1]

Everyone like 6'4 & up now back then 6'4 was a center

[@godwinokolue995]

The number one center of all time NBA center is without doubt in my judgement is Hakeem Olajuwon. He is the best all around center in the NBA, then and now.

[@IsaacHowardJr-mi2ws]

Shaq had Kobe, he had a lot of help.

[@darkmephilez]

I'd say shaq is like 19

[@user-gj6yb2qc7e]

As good as shaq was, he only won when they changed the rules for him and let him bull ppl over. Up until that point he was getting swept and outclassed by other big men. He also had loaded lakers teams along with probably the second best player ever.

[@gilbertlopez7373]

I Grow up watching Shaqs era , not the other's but just because of Shaqs lack of discipline when training and the off-season he can't not be consideres higher that 3rd in the bigs of all time period

[@gnvtwhp1218]

Tim Duncan is a BETTER CENTER than shaq but duncan considered himself to be only 6'12. Not a 7 foot center.

[@d-funksteryea5188]

Kareem, Chamberlain, Olajuwon, Russell and Moses. Shaq is sixth.

[@johnrodriguez3635]

Wilt played against 5,3 guys

[@Big7wardnola]

I got Shaq behind Olajuwon also

[@VladaMarkovic-tm2gy]

The best center of all time