Radiant Clarity 6.2 -- A BAD ASS, Hi-Tech Wonder!

[@radkokosoTT]

I have these speakers for two weeks and I can say your review is spot on! I can only agree with your findings. Great review as always!

[@DDw-p8o]

Clarity 6.2 versus cabasse morano. ?

[@keplermission]

@@DDw-p8o Wow, Cabasse Murano but the problem is, bearing in mind places like Detroit, Michigan the American broadcast studio optimized, Realistic Minimus-7 is going to be good enough for anybody. They have solid conductor speaker wires and at ear level, on solid, spiked stands, out in the room, not on walls or in corners, the bass note appears to go all the way from the mid/woofer to the floor and it's a big solid image, sitting about 8 feet back. The highs float on the air with a bell like clarity in a huge, room filling 3D sound stage. Now Cabasse Murano, you know?

[@keplermission]

There is a broadcast studio optimized Realistic Minimus-7 and it's as good.

[@russelldawkins9094]

@@keplermission Right…

[@keplermission]

@@russelldawkins9094 You know what? I was looking at Technics SB-F2 and Realistic Minimus-7 that were affordable, they were within reach ... on a certain auction place and after I wrote that comment on Steve's video ... wow! All of them cleared out overnight! All gone save for some crazy priced ones in a far off land! All the SB-F1 and SB-F3. Steve says his video isn't a Buyer's review but, entertainment. Yeah, right as you say. Still plenty SB-5F left, wow!

[@asan1050]

Thanks Steve! Please add MORE personal stories! Love that.

[@allanwhittle3041]

All the years SG has been involved in HI.FI ( sorry Steve ) thousands of reviews and Still ..he has an infectious love of what he does and discovering new gear ..that is matched by no one else Always a fantastic enthusiastic , knowledgable watch .. And Still The Main man Cheers 🥂

[@mediascapes2011]

yes he is in love with stereo apparatus's

[@JeffS-jh7ve]

So funny that you say that, Allan. No lie - I just put this video on, having no idea what the product was, but just because every once in a while it is good to see Steve and witness his contagious enthusiasm. Bravo, Steve! Allan couldn't have said it better!

[@ArndMariniak]

I have the speakers at home for one week and i ca also agree with most of your findings. It took me some days of testing of various positions to get them from rather lean to rather full sounding. Maybe they also benefit from a sort of breaking in (but Radiant stated in the user manual that they should sound right from the beginning). I had the Murano's some years ago and indeed they remind me a little to the Cabasse in terms of imaging and soundstage (even if such memories are rather deceptive) but clearly bass extension is a another story with the radiant, that's for sure.

[@dontpanic1982]

i wonder how much of it is psychological like you weren't used to hearing it sound this way then you became accustomed. i am sure position changes and volume adjustment can greatly change the sound as well.

[@ArndMariniak]

@@dontpanic1982 yes, you are probably right - i cannot avoid that over the time i get more used to the sound of the radiants which is really quite different of most of my other speakers i had in my room. So that is maybe only a virtual burn-in ;-) Positioning is a very important thing with this speakers....toeing in is e.g. not so beneficial. I have them approx- 40 cm from the front wall with only 5 degrees toed in. Soundstage was really huge with plenty of bass.

[@jonathanscull7712]

Another thorough review of a product that, in the end, made you "happy." To me that's key, your system should make you happy. If you're not feelin' it, my advice is keep watching this guy, he's got a lot of it figured out already and enjoys surprises.

[@lsaideOK]

Interesting that you're reviewing these while I am looking seriously at getting Buchardt Audio's new e50 speakers. Both Danish made. Both around the same price. Both with purifi woofers and very similar frequency specs. Very different cabinets, however, as the e50s are solid oak with a waveguide for the tweeter carved into the wood. Both sold direct to consumer with shipping and taxes included. Buchardt's free trial period is a little longer at 45 days. I'm wondering if a pair is on your way? One other thing. Both of these speakers seem very hard to drive with low sensitivity and a 4 ohm load. Yet you didn't seem to have any trouble with your relatively low-powered amplification

[@madsbuchardt7845]

When we have them ready, Steve would of course be offered to review the e50 :)

[@warrenferreira76]

It really grates me that Buchardt make such a big deal of their 'free worldwide shipping, taxes included' which is not actually correct as the whole of Africa and many countries are actually excluded from this. Those statements on their website should be corrected as they are misleading. I am now considering these Radiants or the Arendals because they seem to actually ship worldwide all inclusive.

[@madsbuchardt7845]

@@warrenferreira76 we can ship for free worldwide, but covering the import is not possible to all countries. This would be the same for radiant and Arendal as well, they just might not state it on the website, but would to customers individually. None of these companies have done this as long as we have, and you do learn that there are some countries where import is next to impossible for products like this, as in many of these places import cost is extremely expensive (40-150%) on top of the products sales price. So it's not like we do not want to cover these areas, we just can't do it as we would lose money selling there normally. Ushally we get in contact with customers here as we encourage people to reach out to us, and find a solution to how it can be solved. We do still sell speakers in many of the mentioned countries on the website.

[@keplermission]

Yeah but the Buchardt E50 you know? Take a look at a Technics SB-F3 or the rarer Realistic Minimus-11 and hook up the refurbished partnering amplifiers and you know? Compare them to Buchardt. Where do you think they got their inspiration?

[@madsbuchardt7845]

@@keplermission what do you mean? Waveguides inspiration? Waveguides is nothing special or unique to any speakers? Who where the first to ever use a horn? I do not even know that :)

[@FOH3663]

... what hasn't Peter Lyngdorf done? His hifi body of work is significant.

[@marcusm5127]

I listened to them a few weeks ago. They are very good and insane for the price. Loved the clear sound but I thought the bass was a bit dry. Maybe a Hegel could force the bass in to compliance. Can't wait for a floor stander.

[@yerfdogjohnny]

Looks like a great speaker. Another stand mount speaker I think you'd love is the PS Audio Aspen FR5 speakers. Have you heard them yet? I bet you'd love them and your followers would be interested to hear what you have to say about them. I have a pair and they are the best speaker I’ve owned. Perfect for my listening space.

[@36karpatoruski]

Absolutely!

[@yerfdogjohnny]

@@dan-qe1tb I took a chance and bought them when they first came available. With PS Audio’s 30-day audition option I figured what would I have to loose. At the time I had a pair of the KEF R1 Metas yet in my space I could only space them apart about 5 feet. With the FR5s on taller stands I had more flexibility with speaker placement. I had multiple audiophile buddies come over to compare the FR5s to the R1 Metas. Seemed unfair to compare a $3500 pair of speakers to a pair of speakers retailing for $9000 yet after about 4 listening sessions everyone felt the KEFs although an amazing speaker they just weren’t reaching their full potential in my listening space thus the FR5s won the “speaker shootout” not by much but in the end the FR5s are exactly what I’ve been looking for. Of course there’s hundreds of speakers I’ve never heard that might be just as great for my listening space and musical tastes yet for $3500 ($4000 if you purchase the matching stands) the FR5s are keepers! You must know too that my most of my system is by PS Audio so there’s some good synergy going on with my system. Enjoy the music!

[@keplermission]

PS Audio Aspen FR5 is just a tricked out broadcast studio Realistic Minimus-7, they can't you know, do the modifications on a Minimus-7 the way it would be in a studio because it would look just like a crummy old Minimus-7. It wouldn't sell on appearances or prestige status, it never could but a similar sound.

[@razisn]

@@keplermission What are you talking about?

[@keplermission]

@@razisn I'm saying that PS Audio Aspen FR5 are a copy of a Minimus-7, scaled up, using probably more detailed drivers. You know ribbon tweeters with a wave guide will beat the Minimus-7 silk dome with its later wave guide. I'm saying that Minimus-7 can be tricked out and sound better than just about any floor standing speaker system but only PS Audio and a few experts actually know it.

[@robertwang7825]

Always like watching your channel for stuff that punches above their weight. Great review.

[@mediascapes2011]

yes Steve is a great salesman, he puts soul into selling these machines.

[@mattcavanough]

Thanks for the review and appreciate you mentioning the new album also! 🎸

[@wprimrose]

Steve, thanks for all the great work you do! You mentioned the clarity, dynamics, resolution these speakers have but any comments on the quality of the tone they produce?

[@ReflectedMiles]

I am interested in that as well, especially when trying to reproduce low frequencies. Passive radiators get into some curious phase issues down near resonance and below, which partly results in a sharper cut-off.

[@tangobodo977]

Love that DALI and Lyngdorf made this together. The 6.2 cost a little less than the Dali Epicon 2, would like to see a comparison between them. And then a comparison with the brand new Dali Epikore 3.

[@SalvadorZerker]

I am really interested in hearing that as well, thinking about getting the Epikon 2, could get it for 3200€, these ones would cost 4000€

[@myself61607]

Fabulous shirt Steve!

[@jamesdoranto9013]

Busted out the Gary Oldman 5th Element look for this review. These must be good.

[@joelnorris4064]

Thanks for the review. I would love to see the comparison with the Monitor Audio Gold 100 6 G.

[@Breitman123]

I do see the speaker to Steve’s right, I really do! However, I just can’t seem to take my eyes off of his shirt! It’s actually really cool! 😂

[@joelnorris4064]

Great review! Always fun watching you. I was wondering if this speaker can actually be used as a bookshelf speaker in a bedroom?

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

Thank you for watching, yes it can be used on a speaker stand. And remember those side firing passive woofers need space around them, a foot or so.

[@joelnorris4064]

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac thanks

[@tomh8544]

Another small speaker that puts out a lot of deep bass is the PS Audio Aspen FR5 and they come in at $1k less. I’d love to see you review those speakers. Thanks Steve.

[@36karpatoruski]

Yes! I’ve been waiting for this also.

[@razisn]

In Europe the FR5 is slightly more expensive than the Radiant.

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

I've heard the FR5, that's why I'm not interested in doing the review.

[@razisn]

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac That's a statement full of innuendo... Well, not really, since it is obvious what it means..

[@c0mbat15]

Such a shame that you didn't have the Buchardt A10 to compare as they both have the purifi woofer and come in at around the same price. The bonus with the Buchardt is that they are active with built in amp, dsp and DAC. Plus they go down to 28hz. They on paper benefit of the Radiant Acoustics are that they will go louder.

[@trauma50disaster1]

what happens when the amp goes out? Is a standard swap?

[@DDw-p8o]

How does the clarity six point two compare to cabasse murano.

[@jimbuckets]

This is very tempting to buy blind. Great review

[@ohadschwartz4798]

Graet review snd seems as great soeaker which im considering. Would love you compare this one to PS audio FR5. And please .... also at close to wall position. ( 4"). 🎉

[@razisn]

He won't. He stated he won't replying to another comment here..

[@donjaun540]

Very nice looking speaker and you really sound like you like it too. 👍🙂

[@leesalisbury5914]

Legit question as I’m 45 and just tested my hearing. Have you tested your hearing Steve because age certainly has a massive effect on hearing ability from what science has to say. I def dig your perspective on speakers and have loved lots of your content so thank you for making it.

[@mihailuca3759]

What about the Zu Union Supreme 6? These cost about the same as the Radiant Clarity 6.2.

[@r2d3vadar92]

when does this end... when will speaker design/engineering come to an end? My 4 way upper mid hi fi 2007 jbl speakers are supper hifi compared to speakers in the 80's and early 90's? I have centre image and soundstage.. what more can a person want.

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

It comes to an end for each person to decide when they're satisfied. I'm happy you are, but other people are still looking for the right one. And you keep coming back watching videos, for me that's all that matters. Thanks so much!

[@r2d3vadar92]

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Steve, you are the last few joys in music. I love watching your videos as it gives me something to think about... Have a wonderful weekend.

[@TriAmpMyFi]

. ............when magnets & coils are no longer used as the driver motor. There will be digitally controlled actuators & monitoring sensors moving the driver cones. Virtually zero distortion & un-blowable. Acid Jazz, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊

[@TriAmpMyFi]

. PS.. I think the only reason it's not done now is because there aren't any 20KHz actuators. However aren't class D Purify modules over 20HKHz? Aren't they electro-mechanical? Acid Jazz, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊

[@FOH3663]

​@@TriAmpMyFi There's already readily available inexpensive drivers with essentially ideal playback capability.

[@lastlemming3725]

I run my 6.2’s on Luxman 507z. Just amazing in all respects. My room is a 15 x15, so not terribly big.

[@RichardDurishin]

Steve, I love my DW6's, buuuuuut, you got me interested. I wonder what the dimensions of the "small" and of your room are. I'm oriented long-wise in a room that is 15' x 28' with my Zus and a Rel classic 98 hooked to my Unison Research Triode 25 Integrated Amp.

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

I'd say your room is too large for the 6.2s and most small speakers.

[@sonnyhenriksen284]

Same woofers as in the recent Buchardt models, right?

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

Same brand of woofer, Purifi, they make a lot of different models. Purifi sells those woofers to consumers, check out their website.

[@psyphonyxaudio]

I have a few videos on these in my space. My sound demos did not go so well ..but in the room .. they are very compelling.

[@DigitalPhilosophers]

EDIT: Even if out of memory: A comparison to the marvelous Cabasse Murano would have been amazing since both cost 4k 🤩

[@liamporter1137]

Great review. Wonder how it would compare to Platimon and FR5?

[@toddhupp]

looks like they set back the amt to correct phase.could be why the clarity is so good.

[@russelldawkins9094]

@toddhupp Read up on the Purifi design philosophy and you will see the main reason for the clarity. Also, understand how important the sub-2500Hz range is to the fundamental sound of a speaker.

[@AllboroLCD]

We are without a doubt full on in the era of the hotrod (is the sub on?) bookshelf speaker indeed. Very exciting times.

[@hanneskluytenaar6908]

Nice to see you that enthusiastic! I'm very curious, if you have any chance of comparing it with a boenicke w5, wich is about the same price, and has the same effect that, it sounds way bigger then the size of the speaker. Thanks for the nice review.

[@thewaygokid3135]

It should be interesting how this compares to the new Buchardt E50 when it comes out. Similar woofer from Purify, different tweeter and passive radiator setup.

[@michaelsegel8758]

Really good review. In terms of expectations. The radiants are something that I would build, except for the proprietary AMT Tweeter. Think Troels 6R w PR instead of port. Love that you compared them to the Zu even though the Zu is 1/2 the price. (It seems that some other reviewers don't give the Zu any love these days.) Also loved how you compared the amp pairings.

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

Thanks Michael!

[@razisn]

I'd like to see you DiYing the sandwich construction and the CNC'd front baffle.

[@michaelsegel8758]

@@razisn The design isn't all that new. Look at Troel's Purifi 6R. The wave guide and AMT Tweeter for the Radiant is proprietary but there are other wave guides and Tweeter options. In terms of 'sandwich' of materials to make the cabinet... not really an issue. I was thinking if money was no object... Richlite since Panzerholtz is too expensive to get in US. There are also YT videos on certain epoxies that have some sonic properties as well. In terms of CNC also not out of the realm. There are maker spaces that have multiple CNC plus laser cutting too. Also not sure that I would follow their cabinet design. There are other options.

[@razisn]

@@michaelsegel8758 So you wouldn't really build this speaker.. Different tweeter and different cabinet construction = a completely different speaker. Plus, if you really tried to copy the cabinet, one-off CNC job and all, it would probably cost you much more than buying the speaker..

[@michaelsegel8758]

@@razisn You would build something similar as best as you can. Its not that you want to copy it, but the point was to build out the Troels Purify-6R but using the two 6.5" PRs. Since you're using different Tweeters the passive XO would be different. Cabinet size would be roughly the same size and volume would be the same or similar based on the Purifi driver and your cabinet tuning. See Purifi's docs on size and how much weight to add to the PRs.

[@D1N02]

You would probably need a great Tube preamp with this speaker to be able to listen to a wide range of music. You should look into the Revival Atalante speakers some time. I think they are not on the American market yet, but they look and sound great and punch above their price point.

[@olliebr6266]

How does it compare to the cabasse rialto speakers in terms of sound clarity and bass extension ?

[@francisdelacruz6439]

Philharmonic speakers also use purifi drivers and premium crossover components. Their tower HT version actually is a 2023 audioholics speaker of the year. Its usd 4500. From audioholics you know it measures well and this one does eq well. Cant compare though you need these side by side. Again nice review. Cheers.

[@Tanner_o]

Peter Lyngdorf has also founded Steinway Lyngdorf which is a company that makes audio digital systems that recreates the sound of the best piano in the world, in other words, Peter has achieved audiophile nirvana, reproduce the most difficult instrument and Steinway's piano turnes couldn't detect difference.

[@kvonne]

How good is it compared to Buchart E50 ?

[@stuartneil8682]

I dig the shirt Steve!

[@mpix8302]

how are they at low volume late night listening sessions? About what volume level does it take for them to come alive where they sound good, not lifeless and dead?

[@gastonguev]

I have a pair of Klipsch Forte IV: Is it worth changing them for these?

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

No, not if you're happy with the Klipsch sound.

[@fletchermunson6225]

More good work by the domesticated Vikings. Balance is so important. My Cabasse Murano speakers sound best with Belles mono amps and a Rogue RP5 hybrid tube preamp where I can slip in Mullards, Wathens, or PSVane tubes to tailor the sound and mitigate some of the hyper clarity of the Muranos. Everything in its own lane.

[@michaelgarnett1372]

Belles best kept secret

[@keplermission]

Wow, 'everything in its own lane!'

[@drewtownsend5187]

I want to go check out the 1969 CSNY release. One of my favorite recordings is Side 1 on the Grateful Dead’s Bears Choice. Also recorded in 1969 (or maybe early 1970) at the Filmore East. Bear Stanley was the audio engineer and I feel like he captured the scale of the room perfectly (despite me never having been there).

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

Thanks Drew! The live CSNY he's good, but not a lot of sound of the theater space.

[@Joker-es3zq]

These speakers sounds pretty good, with a wide soundstage but lacks a bit on the deep soundstage and instrument placement. Futhermore it lacks a bit wildness and authentication in the vocals, both male and female. Last but not least i think it could be a better sounding speaker by using higher quality crossover parts, instead of those cheap caps and resistors, but it is still much better quality compared to most other speakers in the price range. Overall a great product that deserves a high quality amplifier to make them shine.

[@viljamim3265]

The Finnish speaker manufacturer "Aaltospeakers" has similar looking elements in some of their models. Who does those elements btw?

[@juicy_clams]

Purifi

[@jonpeters5194]

How does it compare to a B&W 805D?

[@w7mjr]

That shirt, man...wow! 😍

[@bryanwilliams3665]

Irrespective of the R&D, i wonder how much parts cost is?

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

You have to remember that making this stuff in Denmark, where they pay a living wage is expensive. There's no way around that. And they are low production designs, which also makes them expensive. Of course if you have a better idea, how to make something like that for a fraction of the price, go for it!

[@billybunter3753]

Steve I would love you to review the Qualio IQ Ultra speakers from Poland. I'm very interested in those! Cheers!

[@mediascapes2011]

they sell direct, Steve has no business connection with the Qualio Audio guys. Sorry, it's all business.

[@billybunter3753]

@mediascapes2011 You might just have a point!

[@ptg01]

Amazing... but at $4500, a bit out of reach for me...

[@Hiwired96]

Nice shirt, and a lovely review! After having listened to these myself I agree with you on every point. The room placement can dramatically alter the bass response, and they are quite power hungry. These speakers can benefit a lot from room correction, which I did using RoomPerfect from the Lyngdorf TDAI 1120. The imaging and spaciousness of these speakers is just out of this world!

[@chrislj2890]

Those woofers look like the surround is vinyl caulking applied by a five year old. Sorry, but for $4,500 I'd want something that sounds AND looks good, and the choices at that price point are vast. I will stick to my Zu Audio DW6 which are way more affordable and sound great.

[@razisn]

This the Purify driver special surround to allow very long throw to the drivers. It is what it is, if it weren't like this it wouldn't work like that..

[@chrislj2890]

@@razisn If that's the case Steve should have shown it in action, but he didn't even mention the weird design of the surround. Does any other speaker have that feature?

[@FOH3663]

​​@@chrislj2890 The funky surrounds address position-dependent effective area deviation, ... which generates distortion. In essence, the inward stroke increases cone size, the outward stroke decreases size. Plus, distortion causing bell modes are diminished by the ring design. These Purifi woofers are absolutely state of the art, low distortion, high linear output drivers. iirc, they range from 4" to 10" The surround is only one drive unit element that's been optimized. Funky aesthetics or not, no drivers possess the capability that these Purifi possess. About a decade ago a handful of the brightest audio veterans joined forces and created Purifi. They revolutionized Class D amplification. They're revolutionizing small woofer design as well. edit, fwiw, Steve's discussed these woofers in previous videos.

[@thewaygokid3135]

@@chrislj2890Buchardt uses them in the Anniversary 10 active speaker and the yet to be released E50. There are a few others. These are expensive drivers. Most manufacturers won’t use them for that fact. Most people who hear them are impressed how they can play loud, deep, and accurate with lower distortion than other speakers of similar size. The crazy folded surround is partly why. One possible drawback is lower sensitivity

[@chrislj2890]

@@thewaygokid3135 Thanks for the info!

[@ReverendDr.Thomas]

Nice review, Sir! Your shirt resembles a jockey's uniform. ;)

[@MasterofPlay7]

Dose it go down to 20hz?

[@razisn]

No it dosn't. Do your speakers go down that low? Which speakers that go down that low are you considering?

[@keplermission]

@@razisn Well if your audition room is like, upstairs and uh you go down to the basement? That's as low as you can get.

[@C-man553]

Could you get to Sonics and price at T=0.00? Your reviews are maddening.

[@seanb3303]

Not the sound I’m chasing but nice review.

[@Katra8189]

I absolutely believe your description and impressions of this speaker! If I had the money I might order a pair just based on this review. But I cannot help, I cannot help, being really CREEPED OUT by the woofer surrounds!! Please! Surely this is totally unnecessary and only adds to the cost of such a fine speaker! Really, what is that nonsense!?

[@remyvermunt8623]

What is Alumanum?

[@36karpatoruski]

Lol

[@elonmuskrat2830]

Looks like Stevie Wonder installed those woofers.

[@khoi83]

And we wonder why

[@keplermission]

@@khoi83 Stevie Wonder was blind.

[@khoi83]

My ,, wonder,, was a wordplay

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

@@keplermission he still is, last i heard

[@timmotel5804]

Good Day Steve. Cool, nice, but IMO not for $4,500. I'll go bigger thank you.

[@mikechristensen1285]

Those woofer and radiator surrounds are wild looking. They look damaged

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

That IS the way they look, on purpose!

[@razisn]

Pleated surround to allow very long throw with minimal weight.

[@michaelgarnett1372]

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac lol…bring back fabric surrounds

[@michaelvaladez6570]

The price point is out of my consideration. I trust your review..and it looks like it is a solid construction. And they guarantee is marvelous. What would we do without Steve Guttenberg you always deliver on point review..its greatly appreciated. Keep up the great work !!!!!

[@grahampanton4643]

Great review Steve. I very nearly went for these but have decided to wait for the Buchardt E50's. Hopefully I have made the right decision and you will get to review these at some point too.

[@humanbass]

If they pay the importation taxes, they would go bankrupt selling to Brazil. I doubt their profit margin can survive 92% taxes.

[@robertorodriguez2609]

Absolutely each and every speaker manufacturer in history has claimed deep bass extension and low distortion in his designs...

[@razisn]

Your point being?

[@larsrisbo2293]

thats why there are measurements…

[@razisn]

@@larsrisbo2293 Which prove that these speakers do what they are claimed to do.

[@larsrisbo2293]

@@razisn exactly! (I am an insider)

[@keplermission]

No. Deep bass and extension was a 1970s thing before that, well ... long story.

[@richgrao]

Not sure I understand the comparisons, other than they are just what you had on hand? Both comparison speakers cost half of the Radiant Clarity. Price is not always a tell for quality, but still this seems like an unfair comparison.

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

Hey, I have no choice but to use only the speakers I have on hand. It is hugely unfair to expect other speaker companies to spend possibly hundreds of dollars for shipping to me and back for their speakers, just for a comparison. That's not the way this review business works.

[@richgrao]

@ Fair enough. Just curious, are those two sets of speakers your “go to’s”, meaning regardless of what you get in, you just really enjoy having the Zu’s and Buchardt’s around to listen to? If so, I find it really interesting. The Zu’s especially have been “panned” by certain other KZbinrs, but specs aren’t everything. I bought a pair of speakers positively reviewed by many YTer’s, but I really thought they were “meh” in my environment. It is one of those things that makes this hobby interesting and occasionally very entertaining!😄

[@TheBTG88]

I wonder how this would compare to the Audience 1 + 1 speaker.

[@ronaldfriedline9297]

What happened to those surrounds? The dog chew on em?

[@oraz.]

Why is everyone talking about price we're not buying it. It's interesting.

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

Thank you! I doubt people are doing the same when they look at Ferrari reviews, reviews are not buyers guides, they are for entertainment purposes.

[@oraz.]

@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac yeah really

[@truman4956]

This speaker with 8” drivers would be even better.

[@razisn]

It would be a completely different speaker in all respects, physical and acoustical..

[@stevengagnon4777]

Probably not, the crossover frequency will be to high for an eight inch woofer. It may play out to 2500 hertz just fine , but the eight driver will certainly have a narrower off axis frequency response well before the the crossover point. That will mess up the sound stage and imaging qualities that were described in this review. It really would need a midrange driver to achieve the same characteristics. That being said: it would give the designer an option to raise the crossover frequency of the midrange and tweeter . That could be a simpler crossover. Likewise the same could probably done at a lower crossover frequency for the woofer to mid-range. Certainly a wider baffle will also play into the design considerations too along with a larger cabinet. On other words it would be a totally different speaker. It would also be significantly more expensive in the end. These with good bass management and a subwoofer or two will certainly get the low end extension into the 25 hertz range and still be less expensive with no change in the sound stage. Another benefit with a sub and limiting the bottom end for these would also show up as the volume knob goes up and they aren't working so hard in the deep bass region trying to extend the bottom end past what they are capable of. This would be an easy sub set up because the sub crossover could be fairly low, but just high enough to take a load off the 165 mm bass driver in these.

[@Bergemee]

@@stevengagnon4777maybe they should do it with the coming Purifi tweeter then? 🤩🤩

[@FOH3663]

Indeed, many good points. It's worth noting that the Achilles Heel of these folded ribbon AMT platforms is the modest extension in the lower range of the HF driver. AMT drive units beam, and oftentimes don't extend as low in freq as other driver platforms. - Beaming is addressed via the waveguide. - The limited range of the AMT is addressed via the 6.5" woofer's size. So, increasing the LF driver size up to 8" can certainly facilitate 50% more LF capability. However, the additional piston diameter initiates beaming ~23% lower in freq. Thus, necessitating a redesign of the HF waveguide.

[@keplermission]

8 inch has more bass but loses middle frequency dispersion and power.

[@Roudaki677]

I spy a Dynaco PAS preamp!

[@johngaspar4425]

speakers look like they need to make an appointment at the gynaecologist.

[@hartsickdisciple]

They're very cool and all, but $4400? I guess maybe if you MUST have bookshelf speakers and you have a lot of money. I just can't believe these are a better bang for buck than some towers on the market.

[@pjc8682]

Your shirts are something to admire as stand-alone of your gigs!😮

[@geoffreydebrito2653]

As a general rule, any design which aims for particularly exceptional performance in one or two categories, in this case clarity and deep tight bass, will of necessity perform to a notably less degree in one or more other categories. Nature doesn't offer hyper-realism. Example; 8k TVs VS the 4k resolving ability of the human eye. "There are no 'solutions'... only trade-offs." Thomas Sowell

[@razisn]

So which categories do you think this speaker performs to 'a notably less degree'? Please enlighten us further.

[@keplermission]

@@razisn what speakers do you even have?

[@geoffreydebrito7934]

​@@razisn The principle cited stands, regardless of the particular specifics. Marathon runners do not compete in weight lifting events. Nor do weight lifters compete in marathons. Light cannot shine through tightly closed shutters.

[@razisn]

@@geoffreydebrito7934 I'm waiting for you to answer my question. Otherwise your original comment is worthless, since you seem not to really know what you're talking about.

[@geoffreydebrito2653]

@@razisn "Speak sense to a fool and he calls you foolish!" Euripides

[@dontpanic1982]

too expensive for what they are IMO. if im spending thousands it better have an extremely well built and engineered cabinet that enhances the sound rather than just being a tiny box. those cones better be made of platinum or something.

[@joelopez4913]

Too much $ for my budget.

[@razisn]

Why do you think information about your budget is interesting to anyone other than you?

[@joelopez4913]

@razisn hey there is enough assholes in this world we don't need anymore.

[@razisn]

@@joelopez4913 There are enough stupid egocentric people commenting on YT without having any useful thing to say, we really don't need any more.

[@D1N02]

​@@razisnis that Why you felt the need to comment twice on his reaction?

[@razisn]

@@D1N02 My second comment was to a very insulting reply of his calling me what can be described as an orifice opening in the backside of humans or animals for which 'we' have no need for more. That comment was either deleted by him or. most probably, by the YT filtering algorithm filtering on particular words... So, now you know... Sometimes things are not what they appear to be. Look elsewhere next time you want to try to be clever.

[@stillaliveandwell5291]

"A time of great upheaval, 55 years ago" How about now ;

[@jamesbell7246]

A.I. autotune mumblerap not your jam? ;)

[@Artcore103]

the zu dirty weekend is an objectively crap speaker, please see the measurements and fundamental design flaws by watching gr research and maybe erins audio corner's video on them. they're trash.

[@razisn]

I could find no Erin's video on any Zu speaker.

[@Artcore103]

@razisn just gr research then, I wasn't sure. His review is sufficient to say it's crap.

[@carlosoliveira-rc2xt]

Flat frequency response is only one ingredient in the making of a speaker. Dynamics, low distortion, extended bass, wide dispersion etc. are all objective measures which has nothing to do with flat response. Additionally the in room response may be flatter in a non-flat speaker than with a flat response speaker for the majority of users. So trash is harsh, especially from someone who states things of which he isn't sure. There are numerous high-end loudspeaker manufacturers whose philosophy is that flat response is not desirable for a musical speaker. I enjoy Danny's channel and agree with almost everything he does but I'm not too rigid on the flat response thing. It depends on what type of music one listens to and what kind of listener one is.

[@nathanevans6277]

Although I'd partially agree with Artcore that the Zus are not very good I would also agree with Carlos that a flat frequency response is not the be all and end all that it is often made out to be. The human ear is more sensitive to errors in the time domain than it is to errors in the amplitude domain. Danny of GR Research does some fantastic work. He does show waterfall plots and talk about keeping the drivers in phase at the crossover frequency. Both of these are very important in the time domain. It would be nice if he also included step responses and phase responses as these show a lot of information that is lacking.

[@60zeller]

Sounds like you have done everything but actually listen to them ( me either) I am not going to call something crap just because of a youtubers review.

[@tomh8544]

I don’t know Steve, at that price my expectations would be pretty high.

[@1980VINZ]

Wow, the price makes me stopping the video unfortunately.

[@razisn]

Who cares? Do you go after each review that reviews something you can't afford or is beyond your budget and make this comment? What makes you think anyone but you is interested in your budget?

[@Carl-bd1rf]

@@razisn Me for one. $4500 no thanks.

[@welshrarebit9238]

For what you get these are a bargain

[@welshrarebit9238]

@@Carl-bd1rftroll

[@welshrarebit9238]

@@razisntroll

[@RadoDani]

I love those 1950’s dork glasses 🤓… and now you’re telling me that liberals have monopolized it???

[@nigeltrigger4499]

So, no better than B&W 602 S3! ...very hard to beat!

[@razisn]

Lol

[@juicy_clams]

They absolutely blow the 602’s out of the water - go check the measurements!

[@johngaspar4425]

I can buy a diamond ring for that price, get the girl and never lose the value of the intial purchase!

[@razisn]

You will be disappointed in your life..

[@stevec3526]

Apparently you are quite young to believe that.

[@johngaspar4425]

@@stevec3526 Oh yeah I'm a baby, at least that is what she calls me!

[@mediascapes2011]

The comparisons are rather disappointing, you need to stay with within the character family, studio monitors, Genelecs etc. otherwise you are too far off target and its just an other meaningless rant. PS Sensitivity: 85 dB @ 2,83 is terrible, you failed to disclose that.

[@razisn]

This is not a studio monitor. You seem confused. Why would you think comparing it to an active, DSP'd ugly studio monitor designed for near-field use, would be more appropriate beats me. Sensitivity is as it would be expected to be for a small passive speaker with very good bass extension. Higher sensitivity would mean either less bass or larger size.. Physics is physics. Do you buy hifi equipment based solely on reviews without looking at the specs yourself? Specs are on their website for everyone to peruse, I don't need Steve or any one else to recite them for me, I'm not that lazy.

[@keplermission]

@@razisn Well specs are misleading. Sensitivity 85dB needs an amplifier designed to cope.

[@mediascapes2011]

@@razisn glad you found your niche, enjoy your low sensitivity equipment.

[@mediascapes2011]

@@keplermission yes, they found the right engine to move the London bus, I see your point.

[@razisn]

@@keplermission Well I can drive my 85db ProAc speakers with my 25wpc Musical Fidelity A1 very fine thank you. So can I with my 230wpc amp. Tell me again what exactly is misleading. Any modern hifi amp apart from flee-watt SETs will drive a 85db stand mount speaker up to the level it is designed to go. Plus, power is cheap, we don't live in the first half of the 20th century anymore if you haven't noticed? Plus, nobody would buy these speakers to drive them with a cheap current deficient anaemic AVR..

[@wolfgangjungheim7502]

Mir ist nicht klar, wie man durch ständiges Quatschen (Selbstdarstellung) Musik erzeugen kann ... ist mir ein Rätzel!

[@paulomontero12]

Small speakers large price 👎🏻

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

Thanks for letting me know!

[@carlosoliveira-rc2xt]

So another $6000 CDN bargain.

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

Are you shopping? You're gonna actually buy these things? I suggest you go to other reviewers that give you the price in the first second, or better yet start your own KZbin channel and do that.

[@xcvbxcvb2179]

Another infomercial.

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

I'm extra pleased that you keep coming back even though you think that it's an infomercial. Thanks for the support

[@robertwoodward9231]

4.5 good till now. Im out!

[@EstimatedEyes68]

$4500/pair

[@Rocker6969]

$4k ?? No thank you. We can do better than that

[@razisn]

Jeez, not another one..

[@rikardekvall3433]

Can We (you?) give us a example of a similar speaker with same soundstage, clarity, depth, size and quality, then I’m all in for a review. For me the Buchardt seems closest.

[@keplermission]

@@rikardekvall3433 Why do you want a similar speaker? Are you living in the Australian Bush? Buy that one if it's online.

[@rikardekvall3433]

@@keplermission I asked Rocker6969, what he would choose instead. What is better? I myself live 10km from the closest Hifi klubben (Sweden) so I can audit in the shop.

[@Detvarsomfan]

Bought them and returned them after 3 days. Absolutely worthless speakers.

[@juicy_clams]

You must be deaf, then.

[@MrSpaceship]

"Absolutely Worthless" ??? Seems like a bit of an over reaction.

[@Detvarsomfan]

@EffrafaxOfWug nope not at all. Worst shit i ever listened to.

[@MrSpaceship]

@Detvarsomfan don't mean to be a bother, these are on my short list, still gathering information in order to make a decision.

[@Detvarsomfan]

@EffrafaxOfWug do NOT spend your money on them, you will regret it 100%.