Federal Judge Orders Troopers to Stop the 'Kansas Two-Step'

[@DeathByFishing]

They were not searching for drugs. They were searching for anything that would justify civil asset forfeiture.

[@jamescaron6465]

Why not both?

[@cjfishtales2238]

Very likely. That's been the accusation by ACLU in several states. Highway patrol figures out which way the cash is moving and focuses their stops accordingly. So in the Kansas example, they would be stopping those with Colorado plates who appear to be returning to Colorado.

[@deboracopeland4795]

When I had to drive across country and back I hid my cash. Not because I was afraid of robbers but because was afraid of police taking my vacation monies.

[@rbryanhull]

I bought a tow truck once in Alabama, and it was a private party sale, so I took cash. I drove my company owned pickup truck from Oklahoma to Alabama to inspect and buy the truck. I was far more worried about an encounter with law enforcement than I was about being robbed. I was carrying $35k in cash. I practiced saying "I don't want to answer questions. Am I free to go?" and "I don't consent to searches. Am I free to go?" over and over. That's really sad when you think about it.

[@eclectichoosier5474]

@@deboracopeland4795 I did the same thing when I moved to take a new job. In fact, since I would be going back and forth, I took my cash in increments.

[@robynsnest8668]

I have been saying it for years, willfully violating the Constitution should be a felony with mandatory imprisonment . Especially after judicial order. Period. And that goes for lawmakers passing corrupt laws.

[@ohar7237]

Absolute agreement.

[@christophernuckolls9964]

Cops violating civil rights? This is my shocked face.

[@unbreakable7633]

Yeah, me too. I'm shocked, shocked that cops are tyrants.

[@franklyanogre00000]

😮

[@herculesbrofister265]

And in case you haven't noticed, these stories almost always come from "small government" red states

[@sailirish7]

ACAB

[@unbreakable7633]

@@herculesbrofister265 Then you aren't paying attention. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Michigan, to name a few, are fully represented in the instances of cop tyranny. John Whitehead's book demonstrates that it's a nationwide problem, just about every State. The Civil Rights Attorney's channel, among others (like We the People, Audit the Audit, and Lackluster) show that the problem of cops is pervasive and not isolated to "red states>'

[@Dan.Solo.Chicago]

I once let an Illinois State Trooper search my car because I didn’t know that I could say no. I was 25 and the time. It was 1am in the suburbs north of Chicago. The trooper was certain I had cannabis or paraphernalia in the car, when I really didn’t. He was badgering me to consent to the search, which really confused me because I didn’t know I had a choice. I was tired and wanted to go home and go to bed, so I told him to hurry up and get it over with. As he patted me down, a car flew buy shaking both of us in its wake, and it made me realize how stupid and dangerous this is being out of your car on the shoulder of an expressway. It made me mad. I told him this is crazy, so I’m going to stand behind my car and he better hurry up. He finds nothing, but starts telling me he saw some seeds, he’s sure I have some, so just give it up. Without thinking, I just laughed at him. It was a totally involuntary reaction, that’s how ridiculous this whole thing was. As it comes time to let me go, he’s still trying his last ditch effort to get me to admit to having something I truly did not have. It was pathetic.

[@Dan.Solo.Chicago]

@@carlruth5692 They’ll set people up too. Once back in the day when I was 18, I was driving in the suburbs with a bunch of my friends in the middle of the night. I’m a city kid, used to street lights everywhere, and the suburbs are dark as hell by comparison. People generally drive faster as well. There were hardly any cars on the road anyway. A car in front of me turns into to a parking lot, and instead of hitting the brakes, I just changed lanes quick to go around it. Suddenly out of nowhere police lights go on and they right behind me, right on my ass. I pull over, they pull us all out of the car and searched everything without even giving me the reason for the stop, and bullying us every step of the way. It took a few minutes to piece together what happened based on little things they said throughout the whole thing. Turns out the cops were driving with their headlights off, and were deliberately hiding in my blind spot, waiting for a reason to pull us over. When I changed lanes, I cut them off, giving them their reason. I don’t remember if I got a ticket or not. Here’s the kicker at the end. About 5 cop cars showed up to the scene, just to stand around and watch. A few minutes before they let us go, a car full of black guys drove past. The cops were all like, Holy Sh!t! Did you see that?!? A few of them scrambled to their cars like the Dukes of Hazard and take off after them. The remaining cops made me sign some kind of curfew slips for two of my friends who were under 18 and let us go. The racial profiling part at the end just reminded me of a similar incident if you care to hear it. Just let me know.

[@ianbattles7290]

I once had a cop claim that my car "reeked of weed" so strongly that he could smell it from behind me at a traffic light. *The cop apparently didn't know that I had been taking (and passing) a weekly drug test for the past 2 years at that point;* I could PROVE he was lying his ass off to fabricate probable cause to search my car...but that didn't stop him from searching.

[@jamescaron6465]

I was pulled over one night in Massachusetts (I lived in NH) around 3:00AM. At the time I was putting myself through school doing guitar and Amp repair and working with some of the larger bands and clubs in the Boston area. Statie nailed me speeding, asked me what I was doing, I told him and he said "Nobody goes to a bar and not drinks". I said I working I don't drink when I work. Now this is mid December and it was about 20 degrees out. Proceeded to get me out of, damned near stripped searched me, had me do all of the DUI gymnastics left me there went back to his cruiser (nice and warm I am sure) called it in and pretty much did every short of jerkin' his gherkin'. Meanwhile I am starting to shiver because I have to take off my coast and sweatshirt for the search. Comes back and gives my license and registration back and asks me if he can search my car. I said no, there is nothing in there, I am cold to the point of hypothermia and if I am not under arrest, I am going back to my car to try to warm up. Said OK you can go. that a****le never even gave me a warning much less a ticket. I sat there for 10 minutes warming up before I could drive off. I contained myself well but I was pissed. Never forgot that.

[@sailirish7]

Road Piracy at it's finest

[@backwoodstherapy]

​@@jamescaron6465buddy of mines toddler once accidentally dialed 911 on my friends phone. Cops show up, "hey we got a 911 call from this address, checking to make sure everything is ok." Buddy explains it was his toddler, they ask to see ID to verify that he indeed lives at that address. When my friend turned to get his wallet, they enter the home (despite not having been given permission), and force my friend outside, at night, in late October. Buddy is wearing a T-shirt and boxers. They then spent the next several minutes interrogating his girlfriend, trying to basically strong arm her into confessing he's been beating her. After that doesn't work, they start asking him where the drugs are. He's like "I don't have any drugs here." Totally true - he's never so much as smoked a CBD joint, and if he has 3 beers on a night out, that's him cutting loose. They kept interrogating him, trying to get him to confess that he had drugs in the house, saying stuff like "if you just tell us where the drugs are it'll be better for you in the long term." He asked to go back inside since it was cold (night time in late October, remember) and they threatened him with arrest if he tried to enter his own home. Cops are so crooked.

[@Jirodyne]

Did you turn around and sue the fuck out of him and the state for violating your Constitutional Rights? If not. Then fuck yeah. If you don't sue or punish them, they aren't going to stop, and you have no right to complain. Cause if you had a complaint, you would have sued.

[@thedirtprincess3293]

@@Jirodyne everyone who has a complaint about law enforcement mistreatment must spend tens of thousands of dollars to sue? And if they dont, that means their complaint is illegitimate? Thats an interesting point of view. Oh wait...are you the cop who stopped the sound guy and nearly froze him to death?

[@TheRoadhammer379]

As a long haul trucker I deal with DOT law enforcement quite frequently. I have a very nice setup in the truck, featuring a dash cam with lock and key for access to SD cards, 2 small microphones, one mounted on each A pillar of the door, a camera on each mirror facing back and a camera mounted on the top of the sleeper compartment, watching my flatbed load. I can't tell you how many times troopers changed their attitudes when informed that they are video and audio recorded, with all recordings going to the Cloud. The tyrants really hate that pesky Bill of Rights 😂

[@gordonshumway7239]

Always sad to see those charged with enforcing the Law putting so much effort into avoiding the Law themselves …

[@EnthalpyAndEntropy]

Sad?! It’s utterly contemptible!

[@shawngoodell772]

That's not sad that's irony, they like us choose which laws to live by and the rest are just guidelines. Laws only keep those scared of the consequences in line, but the majority of those aren't scared of the repercussions of thier action until they are caught and then have to deal with what thier actions have wrought.

[@THall-vi8cp]

Don't you mean _sidestep_ the law?

[@usaturnuranus]

@gordonshumway7239: I was under the impression that what you describe is exactly what they are being paid to do. It's definitely sad for us poor random citizens. For them it's a potential cash windfall and a promotion.

[@danieltriplett3616]

​@@shawngoodell772that's a perfect description of quite a few law enforcement officers. Don't care about repercussions til the are caught, and held accountable.

[@n.a.2156]

In a midsize town, I drove a unique sports car, and was CONSTANTLY harassed by local law enforcement (way too many stories for here). The car impressed a friend of mine enough to motivate him to purchase his own. The FIRST DAY he drove it into town, he was pulled over "... because it looks like that other one in town." I also heard from a friend in the business "We know he's doing things, we just can't ever seem to catch him," in reference to me. Those "things" involved... delivering pizza. The collective community referred to the local police as "Keystone Cops" for good reason.

[@michaelbean2478]

When I was 18 years old and working as a shift leader (asst. mgr.) at a fast food restaurant, I was giving a coworker a ride home after work late one night, around 2AM, when a cop pulled me over on a county highway with little traffic on it, and I wasn't speeding or doing anything wrong. When I was pulled over I asked why I was stopped. He said a car matching mine had been reported stolen. I showed my license, my owner registration, and insurance. He disappeared back to his cruiser and I waited, and waited, and waited. When I saw him coming back I thought it was over...I was mistaken...he told me to get out of the car, he patted me down, and put me in the back of his cruiser. When I asked what was going on he wouldn't say. Then after some coded talk back and fourth with dispatch...he started talking baseball! At what was now 3:30-ish AM and I was getting tired of the crap, and asked if I was being arrested for something...he said nothing, opened the door and said I was free to leave without any explanation or an apology for wasting my time. I haven't liked cops ever since, and they haven't shown me any reason why I should.

[@wvguy7238]

Lawsuits for both of ya

[@danielboone8435]

It happened to me driving home from work one night. I got pulled over on a backroad for allegedly rolling a stop sign, on my way home from work, 2 AM. They asked me about alcohol and drugs, then took me out and gave me a sobriety test, then searched my car, saying they didn't need my consent because they smelled marijuana. They didn't find an alcohol, or marijuana, and they seemed to be switching back and forth between the two accusations. Eventually they just kidnapped me and dropped me off at a truck stop at 4 AM. Everyone has a story like this.

[@franklyanogre00000]

Kidnapping is a felony. You may use deadly force to resist a kidnapping. An unlawful arrest is a kidnapping. Be a deadly threat to kidnappers at all times. 🌈⭐️

[@shekharmoona544]

An hour and a half? That's ridiculous.

[@chrisbudesa]

FTP Earning the hate every day.

[@MinionofNobody]

As a retired cop and a retired attorney, there are times when I can look at the actions of police officers, even when they have made mistakes, and can understand how those mistakes happened. And then, there are times like this when I have to wonder what the heck the cops were thinking. Off the top of my head, I can think of Federal civil and criminal statutes that would appear to prohibit this kind of thing. As a general rule of thumb, it is just a bad idea for law enforcement to circumvent the law. It should be obvious.

[@ronjones-6977]

Nobody WANTS to be in Kansas for a second longer than they have to be. FACTS!

[@derpaderpaderpader]

I'm curious. How often did you see fellow officers violate the constitution and do nothing about it? How often did you violate someone's constitutional rights and not be held accountable? How often did you over charge individuals you pulled over so you can get them to plea out? Its not an "if" question with 99% of cops, it is a when and how frequent question. Because you're an attorney (retired), you would have even more knowledge of laws and how to violate them in favor of the police.

[@jeebusk]

Rules are meant to be broken, some people are better at it than others. It's the enforcement that matters, this court case is just embarrassing... That's about the only recourse we have though, all the people who were inconvenienced won't get anything back.

[@MinionofNobody]

@@derpaderpaderpader I get this kind of response constantly. You are making judgements about me based on what you think you know about other cops. This is prejudice and it is as wrong in this case as in any other. If honest cops are so unusual and dishonest cops are so common, you might consider why the dishonest ones make the news. You might also consider how this tends to shape your perceptions.

[@kevinstaggs5048]

Are you saying that you never violated someone's rights when you were a cop? Never?

[@foxtayle446]

Now get rid of civil asset forfeiture and qualified immunity and we'll be dandy.

[@peterimoldi5353]

Dont have either of those here in Australia.

[@DKNguyen3.1415]

@@peterimoldi5353 but giant spiders

[@f.f.s.d.o.a.7294]

@@DKNguyen3.1415I'd rather have the spiders, ... and snakes.

[@Water64Rabbit]

@@peterimoldi5353 No you just get forcibly locked into your homes.

[@whearts]

I am proud that the channel LackLuster has started an Attorney Shield App for your cell phone. Cop pulls you over, start the app, attorney on with you in thirty seconds, and when they take your phone from you, they just denied your access to your attorney.

[@jsedbe0624]

It used to be that I would assume cops I met were goods guys until I see otherwise. These days, I assume all cops are tyrannical until they prove otherwise.

[@bradleywhais7779]

In the court of everything but the law, you are guilty till proven innocent. Why not hold them to that standard too?

[@Ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke]

Know they are tyrannical because the law enforcement institutions are structured to make them that way. If one seems otherwise you just caught them on a good day or fit what their prejudice flags as a citizen and not an automatic suspect.

[@ETT64]

You will NEVER see otherwise. ALL cops are tyrannical. With all the immoral, victim-less crimes, and unconstitutional laws on the books; only a tyrant would take a job to enforce those laws.

[@pauls5745]

30+ years ago I remember we used to play cops and robbers. now there is no distinction between the 2. "You're always the bad guy! I wanna be bad guy for once," I might say to my pal. Well, if you play this today you can still be a cop AND the bad guy.

[@jayjaynella4539]

And the cops cannot prove they are good guys.

[@oxboustrophe1392]

An airline pilot once told passengers "We are now entering Kansas. Set your watches back 100 years." The pilot ended up having to apologize. Folks from surrounding states are aware of the border.

[@phaedruscj3330]

Says the guy from Missouri not wearing shoes

[@mikebarushok5361]

I wonder if that was back when Kansas had a constitutional prohibition on serving liquor by the drink and was enforcing it on airlines over the state and on Amtrak trains.

[@stayinganonymous.3172]

​@@phaedruscj3330Missouri has legalized. They are 150 years ahead of Kansas.

[@oxboustrophe1392]

Yes, indeed. A few liberals in the state then. We're gone now.@@mikebarushok5361

[@karljay7473]

WARNING: there's a trick that can be used in HOW they ask. The question could be "Do you mind if I search your car?" and you say no, you've just given permission. There's also the double question: "Can I search your car? Do you mind if I search your car?" If you answer yes OR no, you've just given permission. Your answer should be "I don't give consent for a search" and NOT yes or no.

[@ronaldfranck6960]

The proper response should always be "I do not consent."

[@franklyanogre00000]

I'm invoking my 6th Amendment right and will not be answering questions until my attorney is present, do you have a warrant?

[@josephrankin9406]

NO,you can't search my car and YES, I do mind.

[@kevinstaggs5048]

@@franklyanogre00000 That would be fifth amendment.

[@karljay7473]

@@josephrankin9406 The issue here is that if you use the words "Yes" or "No" they can claim that you were answering the OTHER question. That's exactly why they ask two questions that have different answers to mean the same thing. All they have to do is claim "I heard 'yes'" and that gives them permission. Refusing to answer either question, and giving a single statement about consent, removes this confusion, which is the trick they are pulling. Don't say the words Yes or No at all.

[@CherryCoke-qi1kz]

No way this will prevent the agencies from pushing the boundaries to the limit. The only way to put a stop to this behavior is to make an example of the leadership that condones this behavior.

[@leeboo2521]

They'll come up with another silly idea to try and skirt the duty they swore to uphold

[@priayief]

I especially liked that the court ruled that a driver must be informed that he has the right to refuse or revoke permission to search his vehicle.

[@frankd2301]

That’s why they call the dogs who always indicate even when nothing is found.

[@gbear1005]

This setting a court precedent

[@3089280288]

​@@gbear1005I thought this was mentioned in the Constitution?

[@fred_derf]

As if that's gonna do anything, people get told CONSTANTLY that they have the right to remain silent, and how many people remain silent?

[@kairu_aname]

​@@fred_derf Silent isn't the same thing as searching.

[@tscoff]

There’s a difference between a couple of bad cops and an entire bad police department. This is a case of an entire bad police department. And what’s disturbing is it’s a state police department, not a local one. That entire police department needs to have a civilian oversight board watching everything they do.

[@gregoryfrickey1715]

WELL GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

[@randomuser6378]

Good cops get pushed out quickly. Good cop is basically an oxymoron.

[@AlureanQueen]

Once had the misfortune of being pulled over two nights in a row by the same state trooper, while commuting home from work. Night one was allegedly "failing to dim high beams" to oncoming traffic, which made me laugh. I pointed out the tractor lights on my push bar and told him if they were on he'd know it, and demonstrated. Then he says I have a taillight out. Sir I say, if I have one taillight out that means I still have three that function, and since this is technically a farm vehicle, I am legal. Demanded my paperwork, took ONLY my insurance card and did whatever, wrote me a warning and I was off. Next night, I'm in my beater of a car. It's a white out blizzard, and yes, I'm driving for conditions because visibility is pretty much nil. Have drove this highway twice a day for about six years at this point. There's an authorized turnaround at the end of this long straight stretch of highway. There's a state trooper parked there. Sure enough, he lights me up. I pull over, and he struggles up to my window, which is barely cracked open because; blizzard and below zero wind chill. This fine officer looks at me, and I say, we gotta stop meeting like this, people are gonna talk. He growls over the wind, only car on the highway and it's gotta be YOU get outta the car. Okey, fine. I'm not worried, even though I'm a solo female traveler out after dark in a storm. I get out of my car. I have to struggle not to laugh, this guy was maybe nose height on me ( I'm 6'), he leads me to the back of my car and says " I can't read your tags, that's why I pulled you over". I'm shaking my head. Said something to the likes of " Have you not noticed the weather tonight? It's a blizzard. Things get obscured in blizzards". I gestured for him to follow me, and I led him to the back of his cruiser. Lo and behold, not only was HIS license plate obscured, but the entire back of his cruiser, window and all, was buried in snow. I bid him a good evening, slogged thru the snow back to my car, and drove off. I had emergency numbers stored in my cell phone, and had his supervisor on the line before I was a mile down the road. We met one more time many months later, as he lit me up on the main street of the town I lived in. I was in my first brand new car, and just driving home from the store. I pulled into a c-store, and he stomped up to my window. All I said was, "Really?" once I seen it was him. He spun around, got back in his cruiser, and left. I hear tell he received an unplanned unpaid vacation for this time.

[@Hatbox948]

Such a funny story!

[@rnrpeg1]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHBAHA

[@Doxymeister]

🤣👍

[@mattheweagle223]

​@@Hatbox948operative word, "story"

[@dustinconfer5956]

I don't care if the whole thing is a lie, it still made me smile!

[@JayBee-cr8jm]

Several years back I was pulled over and questioned by 3-4 cops for a full hour. Wasn't given a single ticket. They kept trying to get me to change my story, putting words in my mouth, etc. They just wanted to know why I was driving in the area and none of them liked my story. This is great news.

[@robertsmith2956]

did you tell them because it is not safe to walk there?

[@JayBee-cr8jm]

@@robertsmith2956 LOL! They wanted to know if I had an ex-girlfriend in town. "No one drives through this town at 3am!" Then they started in on my car, a silver Mercury Marauder. "You sure have some nice wheels on this car. You a drug dealer?" I explained that if their drug dealers were making enough money to buy brand new Marauders, they had bigger problems than me. I even let 'em dig through my car and all they found was detail rags, bottles of Mothers car wax and Johnny Cash CD's. Fun times.

[@robertsmith2956]

@@JayBee-cr8jm Johnny Cash. You would be labeled as a bible thumping gun totting insurrectionist now. I got lost in the drive by drug den once. Kept going, hey check if any are in here, and pointed to another cubby hole, till they got mad and told me to leave. Al the while I had an open 5th of segrams under the drivers seat. LOL

[@DaveBigDawg]

Just not in Kansas Others are calling it the Trooper 2 step There is a KZbinr trooper that discussed how to properly do it, he will basically talk about how to correctly violate civil rights and not appear to violate them. He gets dragged by citizens. If the troopers are trying to get this overturned you know that they don't care about you and your rights.

[@DJVIIIMan]

I've had them do this to me in Arkansas and Texas.

[@jamescaron6465]

I just saw it, Talk about pissed off. these clowns make me sick.

[@christasimon9716]

"they don't care about you and your rights." _What_ rights? Never once in these couple centuries has a piece of paper with the Bill of Rights written on it, ever swooped in and hit a law-breaking police officer in the face and stopped him. You can _try_ to exercise your rights if you don't mind spending time in jail, losing your job, and somehow having enough money to go through the entire court system up to the Federal Court of Appeals. Other than that, your rights are whatever the cop at your diver-side window tells you. "But Christa, didn't you just listen to this video? The court has made a ruling in your favor!" (There - saved you some typing.) Uh, yeah. Sure. Every cop in every jurisdiction knows that a person swearing at a cop is protected free speech. _That_ ruling happened decades ago. And yet U.S. citizens are arrested every day when exercising that right. "Disorderly conduct." They're happy to keep you in jail until the D.A. drops the charges in a couple days. No court EVER has made a decision that prevents a cop from making a bad arrest to try to ruin someone's life.

[@ClockworkGearhead]

@@christasimon9716 So, what's your point, Miss Whatever? Just roll over? Shoot someone? Cry about it?

[@karenjanusch7978]

Name? TIA

[@gelynch52phPH]

It was 1972 & I was stationed @ Chanute AFB, Rantoul IL. A friend from Minnesota drove me to Oil City PA after we got off work @ 6:00 PM, and we arrived in Oil City sometime after midnight. We drove past a parked, marked cop which promptly pulled out after us. I said, "Dan we are going to get stopped." We were on our way to pick up an engine for my '65 Vette, but of course with MN plates on the car, we had to probably be "suspicious" driving through town on a Friday night/Saturday morning. At the time it just seemed normal to get pulled over because of out-of-state plates. Now I would never tolerate such nonsense.

[@robertheinkel6225]

I was returning home, riding my motorcycle, after work one day. I was still in my USAF uniform. I got pulled over by a cop. I asked why, and he stated someone in uniform had attacked somebody. I asked the cop, since they were in uniform, did they get the name tag? The cop just turned around, got in his car and left. I still don’t know what he was really doing. By the way,that was a small town, with a large military base, so half the folks in town were wearing a uniform.

[@gregoryfrickey1715]

HE WAS FISHING

[@bergmanoswell879]

I’d have pointed out the cop was in uniform too, and asked if he was confessing.

[@THE-michaelmyers]

A friend of mine who lives near Blue Springs Missouri has a daughter who attends school at Kansas State. She has been stopped 2 times by the KHP both times near Topeka. Both times they did this 2 step BS. She is a senior and is getting close to not having to make that drive any longer. However, let's not lose sight that this kind of crap is happening all over the US. I personally have run into problems with police all over the State of Texas, especially small towns on US 59 and US 287.

[@jaelwyn]

The main reason it is only the KHP is that half of the Riley County cops smoke up. Source: grew up knowing them.

[@MrCatandMe]

I got stopped once and the cop asked, "Is this your car can I search it?" "Do you drink Mountain Dew are you drunk?" I had a can of Mountain Dew in the cup holder, but his questions sounded bizarre; I stared in disbelief. He asked this several times and eventually mentioned my busted tail light. I held up my roll of red tail light repair tape and asked if the patch had fallen off? Eventually, an equipment violation ticket, which I contested and won, minus three hours in court.

[@ClockworkCrow7]

That oinker was trying to entrap you.

[@iansanford6544]

That's what you need to do though, challenge their petty acts - one of the reasons cops don't stop you for speeding at low overspeeds is that there's managerial, paper-pushing work that has to be done for every ticket and fine, and those costs increase drastically if you take it to court. If someone contests a 100$ speeding ticket, the time in court alone destroys the monetary gain the ticket would have generated, as you're taking up paid time of the entire court staff. My mother got stopped years ago for speeding on a road with zero speed limit signs, it was only a 110$ ticket, but she got it overturned, they put signs up all over that road, and that cop got chewed out and hasn't used that speed trap for years now.

[@1924ab]

I live in Kansas and travel I-70 almost daily (retired now) and the amount of times I’ve seen people pulled over with all of their stuff scattered about is astronomical, asset forfeiture is the big thing here.

[@Ericbjohnston5150]

Are crooked cops gonna follow this injunction. They don't even follow thier own policies.

[@davidphillips1221]

Why should they don't they have qualified immunity from everything!

[@themanhimself3]

They don't follow the law half the time.

[@christopherg2347]

Anything they find will be thrown out in a court of law. Simply because it was obtained illegally. And they are "on notice" it is illegal, so no qualified immunity.

[@Colorado_Native]

​@@themanhimself3They don't know the law most of the time.

[@Uryvichk]

@@davidphillips1221 I think this would be a rare instance in which they WOULDN'T get qualified immunity, because a federal judge literally enjoined them from doing it. I'm not sure how they'd make the case that they'd never been told this was wrong before while a federal court is in the process of telling them that this is wrong.

[@margarethorrall8621]

I was coming back from leave while I was in the Navy. Near Ozona, Texas, I was pulled over by DPS for doing 76mph in a 70mph zone. The cop scolded me for my license being expired and I pointed out it was still good as long as I had my active duty military I.D. He asked why I had a Texas driver's license but California plates and I told him that my car is from California but I'm from Texas. To which he replied "Don't tell me how to do my job". I just said he had seemed confused about it. Crap hit the fan at that point. He demanded to search my car, I refused. By the time it was all over, 3 hours later, I was back on my way and the cop was getting chewed out by his supervisor and an older guy in civilian clothes. I did make it back in time but I had to drive nonstop except to gas up from Ozona, Texas to San Diego, California. Gee, why won't people support the police in their fascist, bullying endeavors?

[@matthewholmquist3871]

It's funny, when I got my first Driver's License when I turned 16 in NC the Driver's Ed teacher told me when I got my license I was required to always allow a police officer to search my vehicle for any reason. I never knew that was incorrect until the Mr. Lehto explained otherwise. Thanks for all you do. :)

[@JT-cf5ol]

That’s government education, glad there are good people who truthfully explain and challenge corrupt laws

[@iansanford6544]

@@JT-cf5ol Is driver's ed still even offered by a state government anymore? Every single one I've ever seen here in the northeast is private and they hate cops just as much as anybody.

[@SomeGuy-vo7we]

I bet the Driver's ED teacher was an ex-cop 😂

[@HarrisonCountyStudio]

@@iansanford6544 Drivers Ed is still offered in quite a few High Schools in WV

[@Fyrwulf]

​​@@iansanford6544 When I went, Dearborn Public Schools had staff that were state certified drivers ed instructors and any student who had a minimum of a 2.0 GPA could take the course over the summer for free. My instructor was my 7th grade pre-algebra teacher 4:30 .

[@basecrutch6207]

amazing how cops never gets held in contempt, imagine what the judge would do if we ever did that

[@Capt083]

Just like democrats in DC

[@basecrutch6207]

@@Capt083 i was thinking trump

[@liquerinfrnt]

​@@Capt083which democrats are being charged with crimes right now? And which rebulicans?

[@donut3946]

@@liquerinfrntis that you Hillary? Lol

[@liquerinfrnt]

@@donut3946 is hillary being charged with any crimes? Trump sure made a big deal about trying, but never did anything more than vaguely gesture. Republicans are confirmed crooks.

[@steveladner4346]

You know something is very wrong when you have to protect your rights from people that's supposedly here to protect you and your rights.

[@MrLuckyCartel]

That’s the assumption, most Americans think, but if the Supreme Court rules cops have no duty to protect you …I don’t know why people still believe that

[@grizzlybear73]

The police do not exist to protect you or your rights. They have no duty to protect and they certainly don’t care about civilian rights.

[@frankd2301]

Well put. Aren’t they supposed to protect and serve? They protect their pensions and serve themselves.

[@bluephreakr]

@@frankd2301 Only the city. _Never_ to you.

[@ragea1]

The supreme court has already ruled that cops are under no obligation to protect or serve citizens. The Supreme Court of the United States explained that it is a “fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.” The gist of it is they are armed social workers with too much power.

[@kermitwilson]

Driving a motorcycle through Kansas, a cop pulled me over just outside of Manhattan. I was stopped at a light and cracked my visor so I could breath better and not fog up the inside my visor. He wrote me a ticket for not wearing eye protection on a motorcycle. I’ve despised cops for abusing their position of authority ever since. I’ve only been pulled over one other time, a cop pulled me over for having expired tabs. Turns out he was correct, despite having a tab for the month they actually have a date inside of that month and I’ve never paid any attention to that, and never heard of anyone getting pulled over for that technicality. Good cop though, out on his street corner earning money.

[@Bit01]

Kansas does not even require helmets, wtf.

[@brianjuergensmeyer8809]

@@Bit01 No, but they do require eye protection. Glasses, sunglasses, or goggles. I'd say that was a cheap shot by the cop in question, but the law is there.

[@Bit01]

@@brianjuergensmeyer8809 I had to look it up, cause 20 years ago when I used to ride over there they never bothered to enforce it. I'd never heard of it.

[@gregoryfrickey1715]

THATS NUTS

[@dustintunis9347]

I think all states require eye protection. A June bug(really just about any bug) to the eye can quickly cause a fatal accident.

[@al1383]

No Steve, that cop pulled you over because he faces no consequences for police misconduct and he believes he can do whatever he wants. And because back then cameras weren't a thing.

[@tman1990]

Even today cops could give two shits about cameras. That is possibly why they rarely get pay rises because the camera outs the dept and cities keep having to use a good chunk of the budget to pay settlements from court cases or to pay awards if one of the cases actually goes to trail and its blasted all over local and national news stations.

[@BrianSmith-lo3mj]

Dash Cameras and body cams are still not a thing in my County ... I know it's hard to believe with it being 2023, but it's true.

[@robertsmith2956]

@@BrianSmith-lo3mj Why would you trust the person abusing your rights to record it for you? I bugged my gun so it will record them in the car. Since they turned on the recorder, I am not breaking any eavesdropping laws, they may be though.

[@BrianSmith-lo3mj]

I don't trust the person abusing my right to record it for me, but at least they could show their lot locked in the 70's and get with the program.@@robertsmith2956

[@mdharrisuiuc]

I was stopped for 30 minutes in KS while on a cross-country move in 2012. Cop had me go back to his car and interrogated me, then interrogated my wife who was still in our car, and only after our stories 100% matched did he finally let us go with no ticket. It was the strangest police experience I've ever had.

[@ronaldfranck6960]

The proper response when questioned should be "Please submit your questions in written form so that they may be reviewed by counsel, whereupon he/she will mail you my response." Then follow up by saying "I envoke my 5th ammendment right to remain silent." An alternative would be to respond "I am not an attorney, I do not understand your question." Repeat, repeat, repeat and eventually he/she may get the hint.

[@gregoryfrickey1715]

WOW CRAZY

[@B44SB66]

It’s called a profile stop and happened to me twice in Oklahoma late at night on the interstate they made the excuse about my tag or registration and asked to search my car they think you fit the profile of a drug runneri’m

[@bergmanoswell879]

@@ronaldfranck6960 The problem with doing that is it is an open invitation for the cop to haul you down to the police station so you can be provided that lawyer. Your car will be impounded at your expense while that happens.

[@ronaldfranck6960]

@@bergmanoswell879 I didn't say not to provide your license, registration and proof of insurance. But once they cross the line of conducting a roadside interogation it's time to throw down the gauntlet and defend your Constitutional rights, namely the right to counsel and the right to remain silent. You have no obligation to assist an officer in any investigation. If he illegally arrests you and impounds your vehicle you have the right to be compensated for any injury (costs) you experienced. Rolling over like some pet dog will only encourage that you be treated like a dog.

[@rockyroad7345]

Get one fishing expedition with a ticket, get another fishing expedition free. What a deal! Perfect Black Friday story.

[@aaronolsson6213]

I have experienced this before while traveling in Kansas. I have Oklahoma plates and at the time I was working in Selina, KS, I have a real estate license. This was back in 2018/2019. It was after dark and I was driving back to Oklahoma, driving east towards Wichita, KS. I was driving in the left lane, not passing anyone, and I got pulled over by a Deputy Sheriff. I asked why I was pulled over and he said it was for driving too long in the left lane. I gave him my license and he went back to his vehicle and ran my license. He came back gave me my license back. I don’t remember exactly what was said but the he said something along the lines of I could be running marijuana from Colorado to Oklahoma. I had a surprised expression on my face and the deputy said “You don’t have to act surprised”. That was the phrase that I will never forget because running drugs was never on my mind. I’m glad this federal judge did this ruling.

[@phiend2248]

Every vehicle should be equipped with cameras, the officials cameras have a tendency to not work when they do things they shouldn’t be doing, that way the driver has a record of the stop…

[@Hatbox948]

I can't figure mine out. I'm not a techie. In S. Carolina dash cams have to be on your dash. It's recording upside down and I can't figure out how to reverse it. The instructions are so small only a Barbie doll could read them.

[@ecay]

A Guy I worked with several years ago told me about a traffic stop. We were talking about some issues we were having with Tulsa Police department such as refusing to take reports for shots fired at other people and he informed me that he he had a situation where he had been pulled over by a female police officer who refused to approach his vehicle, ordered him to stick his hands out the window and held him there for 45 minutes while waiting for a male officer to show up to give him a ticket and apparently he found out. This wasn't ongoing thing with this officer and the situation I had that I was talking to him about was I had a guy come out of an apartment complex and shoot at a car that was driving away. Called the police to show up and they refused to even take the report. Literally saying oh nobody was hurt. We're not doing a report and left

[@Bit01]

I had a cop make me fill out the report when something was stolen out of my hotel room.

[@ecay]

@@Bit01 yeah I've seen police officers do that. Even traffic reports, traffic accident reports. I've seen them do that too. Make people fill it out. They're not supposed to and I imagine they could get in some trouble if they did that but it is something they do. I've also seen police officers walk up and say not enough stolen and walk away. Okmulgee police does that if $5,000 isn't stolen they won't even do a report because it said it's not worth their time

[@Brusselpicker]

On Drug Dogs Over the Ombudsman review period between February 2002 and February 2004, police drug-detection dogs indicated the presence of drugs on someone 10,211 times, with "almost all of these indications resulting in a search". However, according to the report, "prohibited drugs were only located in 26 per cent of the searches following an indication". In other words, in 74 per cent of cases where an indication from a drug dog formed the reasonable suspicion necessary for conducting a search, no drugs were found

[@frankd2301]

74% false indicators. Imagine ANY profession with those numbers: surgeon, pilot, even cashier.

[@jdelrey750]

You really should break down "an indication from a drug dog" further. It is openly documented the canine trainees are taught to indicate on odor of some substances. It is also well documented false alerts are purposefully triggered by the handling officer. Your information os great. And yet it is sadly incomplete without numbers supporting how many canine indications in these cases are abetted by illegal behavior of an officer.

[@wizardsuth]

@@frankd2301 I'm just imagining the public outcry if Walmart were to use dogs to detect shoplifters with a 25% success rate.

[@timothy____1989]

@@frankd2301weather forecaster?😁

[@j.f.fisher5318]

I'm curious what percentage of the time a dog was called out did they indicate drugs were found?

[@PeterCiesla]

I had nearly this happen to me driving eastbound through Kansas. As soon as I started asking questions about what he was doing, the officer ended the stop after getting nervous. It was very creepy. I wrote a letter to the AAA outlining my concerns about when and where it happened.

[@JohnSmith-ug5ci]

Sadly, so many in law enforcement are so corrupt.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

"We have investigated ourselves and found that the cop acted EXACTLY AS TRAINED to increase ticket income, income from the auction of impounded property, and executing civil asset forfeiture."

[@josepherhardt164]

Many were bullies in high school.

[@donaldkgarman296]

NOT SO MANY......ALL OF THEM , MOST OF THE TIME .

[@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76]

99% give the rest a bad name

[@Steve-mk6rq]

They are corrupt and pure evil.

[@ESC_907]

Oh man, that ruling about having to inform that victims can refuse a search is going to be DEVASTATING.

[@robertsmith2956]

depends how they word it. you can refuse and take a beating, or ......

[@albutterfield5965]

This tells you exactly how the people that run the Kansas state troops feel about the general public

[@Yessssz]

They view the public as prey

[@roberteltze4850]

To be fair every state views people from another state as an opportunity to bring in money to the local economy. And the Kansas State troopers are targeting people from out of state.

[@mikebarushok5361]

Some of this being defended is about the Kansas Attorney General trying to pretend to be all about law and order, while he is wasting huge amounts of taxpayers money on politically motivated law suits filed against the current Federal administration.

[@rhondaparr5739]

Kansas sucks anyways, it's not just the question

[@billhayden3637]

The KHP has been funding their department for decades through asset forfeiture. They are addicted to the money. It will be interesting to see how they get around this.

[@George-yh3zy]

Never got a ticket, but have been harassed or searched every trip through Kansas. Once my brother and I were separated and interrogated at length, as though we were terrorists.

[@jeebusk]

Do you have any money 💰? Where is the money 💰!

[@wizardsuth]

Back when Bush was president he pronounced "terrorist" and "tourist" exactly the same, and the cops have been confused about it ever since.

[@kiethholland3650]

I work in Colorado, live in Indiana. Last year I made six trips back and forth. Five times I was pulled over and searched in Kansas . Glad to see that this practice must stop.

[@braxtonnelson5375]

Probably the exact opposite of these police tactics in Kansas (and other states) would be growing up in a small town (as I did). One night many years ago, I was coming home from a church outing in my "just got it back on the road" 1950 Oldsmobile (this was in 1976). One of our local policemen (we only had 4) pulled me over. We knew each other, and the first thing he says is "do you know you have a headlight out?". Well, I had discovered that back at the church and I told him that I had noticed it back at the church, and I was heading straight home. Then he checked my tag, and it was the one that was on the car when I bought it... it was a couple of years out of date! I told him that I had just gotten the car running again, and would be getting a new tag the next day. The cop was a bit exasperated as he also noticed that I was driving barefoot (I didn't know there was a statute against this!) and that my car didn't have a muffler! (It was a bit loud.) For a minute, I thought he was going to throw the book at me... but he just walked back to his car, and before getting in he said (in a stern voice): "Get this piece of junk off of my road and back to your house, and don't bring it back on my roads until it is legal!" I guess it didn't hurt that the police chief, Mayor, and city clerk all went to my church!

[@frankd2301]

Well that’s the other thing they do: coworkers and friends get away with murder. Sometimes literally.

[@glennrishton5679]

1968, central Alabama, I just turned 18 and was staying with family for the summer. A friend and I were out in a gravel pit about 10 at night shooting my 30/30 and a highly illegal 6pack of beer in the car, underage in a dry county. Sheriffs deputies arrived asking what we were doing. usual questions. They knew my friend as it was a small town but they confiscated the beer. Then that was all, no SWAT team, no FBI. Hope they enjoyed the beer.

[@alphax4785]

There's a difference between stopping someone you know who is local and whose story is reasonable i.e. that would be the road they'd take... and pulling over a stranger.

[@ronaldfranck6960]

That cop needs to check his attitude. It's not "his" road. It belongs to the people of his state and he is their employee, tasked with keeping the roads safe. Period.

[@timdowney6721]

@@glennrishton5679 You’ll look far and wide before finding a better business than a liquor store just across the county line from a Christian, dry county. 😂😂

[@fashiondiva6972]

They’re simply going to make more specious roadside arrests, which will further facilitate civil asset forfeitures. What will follow will either be a string of prosecutorial dismissals or unethical, baseless prosecutions that are ultimately caught and derided by a presiding judge who dismisses the cases with prejudice. I’ve watched it happen firsthand. And I’ve also been that judge.

[@franklyanogre00000]

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society. Over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frédėric Bastiat

[@ronaldfranck6960]

Privateering

[@gregoryfrickey1715]

AHH A AGOOD ONE

[@gregoryfrickey1715]

LIKE WHEN ARMED THUGS TAKE ALL YOUR MONEY

[@BobPelot-ko1dr]

Which now applies to the irs

[@samaraclark]

As a Kansas native I'm glad to hear that something about that is actually getting. And it wasn't just out of state people that they was doing it to they was also doing it to in a small percentage people that was from a different county. Also on a side note Steve keep up the good work I love

[@stevef68]

I think the real issue, is they are NOT required to tell you the reason for the stop. Some departments have a "policy" that says they do, but it's not a law.

[@ryanb6658]

That has nothing to do with what he’s talking about

[@madmaximilian5783]

@@ryanb6658 the cops prolong the traffic stop intentionally by not addressing the real reason for the stop up front. There's hundreds of videos of this exact practice, they antagonize certain groups to get a reaction which leads to get outta the vehicle with unimaginable brutality and consequences.

[@TheMelnTeam]

It does. It's not always clear when you're still detained. That's often deliberate. If you don't know the reason for the stop, it's even less clear.

[@ARockRaider]

they wouldnt care if it were law. cops break thr law all the time and constantly are trying little "loopholes" that are only "loopholes" because a judge wont tell them they are being stupid and to pay the victim for their time.

[@robwiljas]

@@ryanb6658 It absolutely does. If they were required to tell us the reason for the stop, it would have made the 2-step more difficult to begin with. The court screwed up big when they ruled they don't have to tell us, cops have been abusing it horribly.

[@MichaelGreen831]

I read that the cops argued that the second encounter wasn’t a new traffic stop, but a consensual stop. They claimed that a reasonable person would believe the conversation was consensual.

[@HariSeldon913]

Use the words, "I do not consent." It counteracts the ambiguous ways they ask about searching.

[@JimAW63]

Listen carefully to the question if a cop wants to search your car. If he says, "Do you mind if I search your car?" Saying "No" would be considered granting consent. In order to be clear, it's best to say, "I do not consent to any search."

[@frankwurth5375]

Had a similar BS pulled on me several years bac in a small town in SD. Going down the Interstate, at night , got tired and pulled off on an exit ramp. Some A -hole cop pulls up and starts with the Harassment, wanting to search the car and asking if we had weapons, kept shining his bright flashlight in my eyes to try to blind me. He kept repeating we weren't under arrest but he blocked us in with his car. I finally had enough and demanded his ID and told him and his minion to F off and leave, after telling him to leave a few times he finally left. This is why I totally hate cops, we hadn't done anything wrong or were even moving and this A$$ hole is treating us like criminals! Cops are totally only on a power trip to screw over every one they can.

[@gregoryfrickey1715]

YUP

[@donut3946]

He blocked you in with one car? Lol

[@looneyburgmusic]

The "Kansas Two-Step" doesn't just happen in Kansas. The Massachusetts State Police are notorious for doing the same.

[@gregspeth7910]

I was a victim in Kansas 2005 . They searched my car for an hour . The stop was for 2 miles per hour over.

[@larrygriffis]

I bet they left the inside of your car all nice and tidy too.

[@pbrstreetgang73]

ACAB

[@rt3box6tx74]

Had a similar situation when I awoke one night concerned about my irrigation system left running overnight. I knew I wouldn't get back to sleep unless I checked that system about ten miles away. I slipped into some sweats over my pjs, jumped in my SUV and was off to the farm, still half asleep. For some unknown reason baby-faced sheriff's deputy with more curiosity than common sense decides to come out of his hidy speed trap hole and satisfy his curiosity. He claimed he stopped me over failure to signal left turn on a rural dirt road 10 miles from the nearest town. Since in my haste to get to the farm and back home quickly, I failed to grab my ID, so he kept me waiting for well over an hour, even though I provided my DL number. I was mainly pissed over the extreme amount of time he held me, plus his insistence I roll down my window more than 4 inches. I finally told him to call the sheriff out. I was done with his fumbling, bumbling act. He finally let me go. I wasn't aware there is a time limit on traffic stops. It seemed to me he was looking for an excuse to have my vehicle towed. It could have been he wanted to search, but how much can be hidden in an SUV? If I'd been driving my junked out, dirty ole farm truck that Nighy he would have ignored me.

[@Vendavalez]

The way cops usually ask to search your car is “do you mind if I search your car?” If you say yes, they take it as you accepting the search. If you say no, they take it as no, you don’t mind the search. Information is going around online about this so people are growing wise to it and they may be trying different things now. But it is worth sharing anyway.

[@ostrich67]

"My attorney advised me to never consent to a search. Therefore I don't consent to a search".

[@mattmatt6572]

No matter how they ask never say yes or no. Yes and they are in no and they will say that's suspicious. I've done pretty good with these words " I'd prefer you didnt"

[@richardjensen6753]

Back in the early 90's I was working for a company that had offices in a building that was a credit union. I worked night shift and had a beater 60's car, I want to say a Biscayne. I headed home early one morning, and a Lenexa KS PD unit pulled me over. A younger guy, about my age, (early 20's) he said I had a taillight out and he'd seen me leaving the credit union and started the 20 questions bit. He completely went through the car not finding anything. The whole time I was sitting on his push bumper looking at all the lights working fine on my car. So, when he came back, he started going through the same 20 questions bit, but I stopped him and asked him what light was out on my car, He said "that one", as he turned to point at the offending light which was working. "Well maybe you hit a bump and it came back on,,,,,". I said, "let me try something" and hauled off and kicked the back of my car as hard as I could (like I said it was a beater). The light never flicked! I turned and looked at him and said, "I guess we're done here, right?" He kinda got a stupid look on his face and said, "Yea, I guess so." and said, "Have a nice night" and went and got back in his car! I never had any more problems while I worked there.

[@richardbeckenbaugh1805]

The Supreme Court has ruled that a stop cannot go past 45 minutes. This was for the Customs and Border Patrol. Border Patrol was randomly stopping people in Maine and New York. They would hold people at roadside without cause for hours. One stop went on without cause for 12 hours. Eventually the people were let go without an arrest or citation. They sued over the time and the federal court initially ruled that the stop was unreasonable and set the time limit. Border patrol appealed, saying they needed an open ended timeframe for complex stops. They lost all the way to the Supreme Court. The court took the case, upheld the lower courts decision and time limit without comment. Whether this ruling applies to state police has never been tested. Whether it also applies to local police has never been tested. So far, it only applies to customs and border patrol.

[@dracodraco1982]

I'd imagine it wouldn't be found to apply to other law enforcement agencies by the Roberts' Court. Mostly by virtue that CBP already had the right to stop people absent probable cause, and this power extends 100 miles from borders and coasts. Personally, I think that reasoning would be flawed, and CPB's insanely broad powers are unconstitutional anywhere but actual border crossings and ports of entry, but my opinion ain't one of the 5 that would matter. >.o

[@williamgarry2635]

Thanks for the video. Also, as an African American male, the traffic stop that you describe by the bored police officer describes about 80% of the stops I’ve experienced in my lifetime (almost verbatim to a stop by Oakland Co MI Sheriff 2 years ago) But it just goes along the stops like “I couldn’t see your license plate because it was blocked by the bicycle on the bike rack”, “you matched the profile of a suspect in the area”, & “why are you in this area at this hour” (high school night time photography project for that one)

[@jamescaron6465]

These vids have perfect timing. Been conscripted for jury duty.

[@I_AM_BAYTOR]

No matter the "crime", say not guilty.

[@Romans12.2Saves]

Good luck please vote honorably the system is imperfect and some prosecutors don’t care if they aren’t guilty they just want the most convictions they can get, look at the track record of the vice president

[@resterAnonyme]

Sadly most "confess" before they even get to that point.

[@coloradodrives7784]

@@I_AM_BAYTORthat’s an improper way to conduct yourself as a juror.

[@ostrich67]

Don't worry. If you show any signs of intelligence or skepticism you will be disqualified.

[@BillGorman]

Was driving through Kansas with my RV pulling my car with Oregon tags in 2014, was tracked from Florence, KS to Spearville, KS. Over 160 miles. When I pulled off in Spearville to go to a campground a trooper at the intersection radioded "RV in Spearville still going slow", his radio blead over onto my CB radio. I can only flat tow my car to a max of 65, so I never went over. I'm sure they wanted the RV from a recreational state. THe campground was closed and I went to Dodge City and the Saloon was closed so I got the F out of Kansas. I camped at a rest area just over the Colorado border. No I'm about to cross back to the east and planning my route via Oklahoma, at least they are medicinal. On the interstate fat chance of speeding pulling the car.

[@stevenmitchell6347]

In many cases, it's not to "search" for illegal drugs but to PLANT illegal drugs in the vehicle. This happens MUCH more often than is publicly acknowledged. I know a sheriff's department in southwest Arkansas where over 30% of drugs found in vehicles is PLANTED by the deputies! This is to "pad" their record for promotions! Personal experience!

[@jamescaron6465]

I wish I could say I don't believe you. But I do.

[@glennrishton5679]

I wish I could say I didnt believe you but I also wish you offered some supporting information.

[@kazineverwind5267]

In NorthCentral AR the cops are actively involved in human and drug trafficking to pad their pocketbooks. They'll move in illegal immigrants to neighborhoods so they can cook and sell meth, then bust them so they can take the money and move the people to another house.

[@katiekane5247]

​@@glennrishton5679were you expecting video, pictures, drawings?

[@robwiljas]

@@glennrishton5679 Search for cops planting drugs here on youtube. They get caught on video sometimes.

[@michaeleverest3487]

As a child I believed the police were the "good guys"... as an adult I realize how ignorant that belief was, they are in reality some of the worst people you need to be secure from.

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

There are some really good ones. Problem is telling the good ones from the bad ones.

[@opa_plays_mw5318]

Any police force with an automated CAD/RMS (computer aided dispatch/records management system) can easily provide what amount of time is in fact an average traffic stop - and then also provide averages for types of stops by tickets and circumstances. KSP should be monitored for compliance.

[@Dundertaker1]

SCMODS

[@robertsmith2956]

I was shocked how fast a stop is when you have no paperwork. no license, no registration, no insurance. I was back on the road in 5 minutes with my ticket.

[@ajknaup3530]

Thanks for reporting on this, Steve. It really helps us keep track of what's happening in our society.

[@jimbeam2501]

And they wonder why people don’t like cops.

[@MadMurdoc86]

They will appeal and claim this ruling infringes on their ability to lie to a suspect during an investigation. Alternatively, they will just make the comment about declining the search with a veiled threat of additional detainment "while we sort this issue out," to pressure the driver into compliance. If they were slimy enough to come up with the practice in the first, can we really expect compliance with the spirt of the ruling? I wish I had faith in the system.

[@wizardsuth]

Unless they're conducting an undercover investigation, what reasonable excuse could they have for lying to a suspect, especially if they use that lie as the basis for issuing unlawful orders or conducting unwarranted searches?

[@HalfwayHikes]

not sure why my comment was deleted. What i said was - this is a great start. Took the courts long enough to stop this practice. The fact that the police trained their troopers to do this shows the duplicitous nature of the "two step"

[@Alleged_Mercenary]

I saw the Oklahoma Highway Patrol make a family wait for 3 hours for a drug dog they were told they could leave anytime but the car had to stay. They were from Ohio heading to Texas for a job the husband had been hired for. Three kids, a dog and van with U-haul packed with their stuff. Dog found nothing I saw no behavior to give suspicion there was anything. It was July, 100 degrees +.

[@michiganmaxedout6248]

My elderly parents were pulled over at 5.30 in the morning on I40 in Tennessee on suspicion of being drug runners. Their car was a leased red Cadillac with Michigan plates. The cop couldn't understand the car registration and kept asking for an explanation of who "this Lessor person" was. He was never able to comprehend it and accused them of having fake documents before finally letting them go.

[@Hatbox948]

Oh my gosh, that's crazy!

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

Bull crap, Max! He was pretending and trying to trip them up. He'd been running the same tactic the whole shift.

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

​@@WhiteG60Here's the problem, they really do have a huge problem with drug runners on I-40.

[@timothyboone5003]

Not sure how this tactic became known as the Kansas Twostep. It’s a tactic that has been being used in many States for many years. It’s not limited to Kansas.

[@McMillanScottish]

It really helps when you know your rights. And have the balls to stand up for them. Both of those are required.

[@JTA1961]

While the GLOCK is clicking... &...popo is on fist name basis with judge

[@damiion666]

This new ruling impedes us from doing our job of stopping criminals from drug running thru the state

[@SaintFredrocks]

Those drug dogs are about as accurate as a coin toss.

[@da_ghoul9432]

I'd love to see a defense lawyer call the dog as a witness in the trial, and then ask for a mistrial when they refuse to answer questions.

[@B.V.Luminous]

The dog is trained to give a sign to get a treat.

[@B.V.Luminous]

Either petting or an edible treat is the reward for a sign that the officer likes, that is what a dog learns.

[@bodystomp5302]

The cops know this. Using the drug dog is just another loophole enabling cops to violate the 4th amendment.

[@Nirrrina]

The dogs are extremely accurate. If you keep up their proper training & don't just train them to respond to a signal for pets n treats. The dogs paycheck is pets n treats so they do whatever gets them their paycheck. If proper training is done very strictly & often they can be accurate. But most people would have better luck training their cat than to keep up the strict training. Which they don't really want to anyway usually.

[@feralcatguy5980]

This story and your commentary reminds me of something which happened to me. Set the way back clock to summer 1995. I had been working at the Los Angeles International Airport for a few months and I was leaving there at 1am or later. One night, around 2 or 3am I stopped at a major intersection to pack/light a cigarette. Hawthorne PD drove slowly past me and whipped around and lit me up like the roman cathedral. They had my hands and belonging on the hood. I'm not sure is the officer was checking my oil or looking for contraband where not even my wife wanted to go. I guess my story made sense. The male officer flashed my ID towards the female officer and asked if they should run me... She gave him a dirty look as though to say, "you made me get out of the warm car for this?". Speaking to LAX PD, the officer said they were probably playing the odds. Mid 20's male, on a bicycle in the middle of the night must be carrying drugs. Jokes on them. Never have, probably never will. "I'm too dumb to do drugs", I say. Lol (edited for speeling eores)

[@colt4667]

"(edited for speeling eores)" I like that. Do you mind if I use it? or sum veraitoin of it?

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

Y'all are so funy.

[@richardfabacher3705]

Pre-digital days, Louisiana used to have IN OFFICAL PRINT INSTRUCTIONS that possession of a road map/Atlas or fast food cups and/or wrappers was probable cause for full searches. (Drug mules are not local--need maps--and won't leave the car and risk having the drugs stolen so they eat in the car.)

[@pjm780]

They do this in Nebraska too. It happened to me last week driving a rental car with out of state plates.

[@rjtumble]

Qualified immunity question. Assuming this case has gone through all the appeals processes, does this mean a cop loses his/her qualified immunity if they violate this ruling? Assuming the case process happened "today", how much time do they have for a judge to consider the ruling having been in place long enough that all the officers would be aware of it (or does that matter)?

[@chromeshellking]

Depends on the state but most states have a standing policy that in the name of doing the service to said state they are rendered immune to anything during stop.

[@dorzak975]

They could argue the officers didn't know about the ruling. That is why sometimes judge will include in their ruling guidance to notify officers. For example when Judge Benitez put a stay on his own ruling on standard capactiy magazines, he included that any purchased during the week between ruling and stay, and owned before the law would be legal to possess. Further he directed the California State Attorney General to notify all law enforcement agencies in the state of that fact, and all agencies to notify their officers.@@WhiteG60

[@JohnMeissen]

Many years ago, when I was much younger, I was driving through Chicago when I was stopped. The cop asked for my ID, etc., looked at it, then gave it back and said, "you're free to go." I asked why he stopped me and he told me it was because my windshield wasn't displaying a Chicago city sticker (I lived in downstate IL at the time).

[@THall-vi8cp]

Your story toward the end about being pulled over for no legal reason reminds me of a time I was _not_ pulled over but should have been. About a month after I had gotten my license, I was on I-80 with my future wife headed back to Sacramento from the Bay Area. It's pitch black out, there are no cars on the road, and I'm driving 87 mph. Then some dude appears out of nowhere and rides my butt for maybe a half mile (hard to guess at that speed). I think to myself, "$#!+ what's this guy's problem?" and change lanes. Car passes me and it's a highway patrol car. Talk about getting a sinking feeling. I calmly took my foot off the gas and kept it under 70.

[@leftypeterbilt]

In the 70’s, I was removed from my truck, had to leave it running on the side of the highway, put in a Kansas Highway Patrol officer’s car, and driven into Hays, Kansas to pay my ticket by putting cash in an envelope and dropping it into a slot at the local Post Office. I was told if I didn’t pay it immediately, I would be placed in jail, and my truck would be towed to an impound lot. Their reasoning was if I didn’t pay it immediately, they would never see me again. Thankfully, I had enough cash on me to pay it. Oddly enough, that ticket never showed up against my Chauffeur’s License! 😁

[@wizardsuth]

That's literally highway robbery. Actual tickets never have to be paid immediately because it's not reasonable to assume the accused has the money to pay them, and also because it's too easy for officers to simply pocket the money and not report the ticket.

[@mrscuba1693]

It should be disturbing that law enforcement and the district attorney office would come up with ways to trample on the constitution and they have no fear of repercussion for breaking the law they are supposed to up hold

[@notchomomma239]

I've had an officer try to pull a Kansas two step on me in California. Thankfully, I'm in California and as soon as I started exercising my rights, they back off on the illegal/unethical practices. Also, don't think police haven't trained those dogs to "smell drugs" on command.

[@CaseyDplays]

Imho if they stop you then use the classic line, "do you know why I pulled you over?" That in and of itself is an extended stop because the cop knows why they stopped you and started playing games with you rather than simply telling you the reason for the stop. If I consider that an extension, then turning around after giving me the ticket and coming back before I'm allowed to leave is definitely an extension. I actually won't move my car after having been pulled over until the officer drives off. The reason for this is so they cannot say I attempted to run. It would be easy for their cameras to "malfunction" and only show video. So, I need the video to show the officer left clearly showing the end of a stop.

[@wizardsuth]

The correct answer to "Do you know why I pulled you over?" is "You are required to tell me." The question is a trap. If you say yes you are effectively admitting guilt. If you say no they may accuse you of lying or of driving irresponsibly, e.g. if you were speeding you would be admitting you weren't watching to speedometer. Don't give them anything they can misconstrue.

[@slipspectrum9253]

In the county where I live, it is extremely common practice for the cops to extend their stops in order to get a K9 on scene. It’s gotten so bad that they’ll call local hospital cops or other nearby town marshals to try to expedite their dogs to the stop. They will always try to make it seem like you cannot leave. They also stop cars here for “being suspicious” if you’re out after dark. The ACLU would have an absolute field day here.

[@theundone777]

Everyone knows about the Kansas two-step around here . As a Colorado resident, I NEVER have any kind of marijuana product in my vehicle when I road trip. I only ever use low dose edible gummies to help me sleep, so my vehicle would never smell like marijuana- but I'm still paranoid when I drive through Kansas.

[@WmTyndale]

PARANOIA , slowly but surely, brain damage and eventual vegetative state.

[@scoutdogfsr]

You can't have a Colorado tag and drive in Kansas without getting pulled over. It is ALWAYS on the assumption that you have pot in the car. "Your license plate light bulb was blinking" but really they are drooling to catch a drug runner

[@CraigGrant-sh3in]

They ended the stop, what was their probable cause for the second "stop"?

[@AppalachianRancher]

Suspicious vehicle parked on side of the road.😅

[@davidlangford9107]

CONTEMPT OF COP!

[@DKNguyen3.1415]

The same as the first time. You're just supposed to pretend it's a different guy pulling you over.

[@darleneandersen2770]

I have a question for you. This happened to my sister a few years ago. She lost her CDL license because she couldn't produce her divorce papers where she had divorced her ex-husband about 45 years ago. When she asked them why they needed it they said because her last name could been changed. When she asked why a man didn't have to produce his divorce papers they said because the men don't change their last name when they get married. That doesn't seem right to me. What about people who is adopted or gays who marry or when a man takes his wife's last name. Please let me know what you think. Was hers rights being violated? I live in Ohio.

[@onrycodger]

Gooood Deal! Should be illegal for them ALL across the nation.

[@davidlangford9107]

BASED ON SUPREME COURT PRECEDENTS THE RULINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO APPLY NATIONWIDE NOT JUST FOR A SPECIFIC STATE! ONCE THE SUPREME’s RULE THEN THE COURT CREATED LAWFUL GUIDELINES APPLY TO THE NATION!

[@jeebusk]

This was the job of the Attorney General, they shouldn't need to review anything.

[@RPSchonherr]

My wife and I were on our way to a family reunion in Ga. Going through a small town we stopped at a grocery store for a break and to check our bearings, A cop was there and may have heard us talking about it. As we headed out I missed my turn. Still going down the highway looking for the turn he pulled up behind us and turned on his lights. I forget the whole conversation but he knew we missed our turn so pulled us over to let us know.

[@DreidMusicalX]

This is supposed to be a free country and in my 55 years, since 1998 I have felt like I have been in Russia with KGB.

[@jamesonmiller8283]

Under the old "two-step" philosophy, how is the second "stop" not an illegal stop? With this new ruling, anyone think they won't just tail the drivers until they see another "violation" after the dog is on hand?

[@damionwhitehead1165]

The theory is it's considered voluntary. The officer is usually trained to say the words, "You're free to go," as they hand you the ticket, turn around and take "2 steps" away from the car, officially ending the stop. Then turn around and initiate a new, voluntary stop. "Hey, Actually I had a few more questions for you. Would you mind telling me where you're coming from?" Obviously the judges didn't buy that nonsense, thankfully.

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

They don't have to follow. Just call another LEO who does have a dog and is ahead of the vehicle.

[@jamesseeker1538]

It depends.....if NEW probable cause is determined after the first stop..... Let's say you're stopped for speeding and go through the ticket process with no problems but as the cop walks away someone's screaming and beating in the trunk.....new thing all together.

[@christopherg2347]

​@@tiredoldmechanic1791What probable cause does that one have? Remember: No probable cause, and the _corpse in the trunk_ won't count in a murder trial.

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

@@christopherg2347 Many drivers speed, change lanes without signaling properly, don't maintain their lane, pass on the right, have a license plate light out, have something hanging from their mirror, have illegal tint, drive in the passing lane or any number of violations that they might not normally get stopped for.

[@johnnylightning1491]

The fact of the matter is that the VAST majority of folks on I-70 are not in possession of drugs, at least not illegal drugs. I was pulled over in Daytona Beach Shores for "driving too slow in the left hand lane" and this was on a two lane surface street. There were only two cars on the road, me and the police officer so I couldn't have been obstructing traffic as it was a 4 lane road. I wasn't given a ticket but I did receive a written warning. The next day I had a conversation with the mayor of said city and I let him know that as a police officer in a tourist town that police officer was not doing a good thing. There is nothing in the world that will now make me go back to Daytona Beach Shores and spend my tourist dollars.

[@henrypierce8010]

I don't remember the case off the top of my head,. but Pensylvania watch Liquor Stores just over the PA boarder. People go to neighboring states to purchase alcholo to avoid PA's taxes, get products the PA Liquor Store system didn't offer and get wine that was properly stored. State Police would then stop people coming back into the state and charge them. The courts put an end to the practice by the PA State Police.

[@wizardsuth]

For the "second stop" to be legal, wouldn't the police need a separate reasonable suspicion to initiate it?