Wagon Week EP30 - Mini Minivan

[@MikeCJ1990xj]

You’re the only person to ever sell me on a minivan I kinda want one now😂 thanks Steve for this history and all that you do!

[@SteveMagnante]

Any time!

[@marineshtf9954]

I have a Plymouth Voyager 95 , 2.5 engine. Done a lot of work to it and probably have one of the only running 4 cylinders in the state (have not seen another on the road). Love the van and it gets a bunch of looks. Still looking for a third row seat though.

[@LongIslandMopars]

​@@SteveMagnanteAre you back or is this a reupload? Praying for your good health.

[@Fony_turgeson]

@@LongIslandMopars rerun

[@lilmike2710]

​@@LongIslandMopars We'll know it when he comes back. We won't have to ask, I promise.

[@oldblueshhrchannel1847]

Forty years since the minivan from Chrysler, fun to see them with historic license plates!

[@Travis141123]

I had the 1990 base model. 2.5/4 Auto, PS/PB, AC. Was damn near indestructible. Family wagon for years, pulled the rear seat out and used as a truck. Moved almost the whole house TWICE.

[@The_R-n-I_Guy]

Back when minivans were actually small. And you could also buy a small truck. The trucks they call small today are as big as a full size truck from the 80's

[@Fony_turgeson]

cant wait to see you back up and running on all gears....a update would be nice....its been a while,rick d where are you

[@vegandollsunited]

don't be foolish in thinking Steve's coming back.

[@Fony_turgeson]

@@vegandollsunited stop spamming this u underling

[@vegandollsunited]

@@Fony_turgeson he's not coming back, fool

[@jamesadkins1780]

The Reliant K was my first company car in 1981. I don’t have a very fond memory of it, but it did the job at least.

[@samholdsworth420]

My sister's first car was a k car. Dodge Aires. All I remember is it broke down on the freeway in the fast lane in rush hour in Southern California. 😂

[@dddevildogg]

@@samholdsworth420 I know that feeling, but it was in a downpour on the Interstate on an overpass.70mph going by in the downpour,I made it ......

[@96129612J]

Steve is back. Yay!

[@Fony_turgeson]

pretty sure its a rerun but the love is still appreciated

[@anibalbabilonia1867]

Sorry to bust your bubble! But that’s a rerun video! He’s still not back yet!

[@charlesdalton985]

Nothing quite like a cup of coffee and a JYC to start the day. I recall when minivans grew in the latter 90s. We had a Venture. I had a hard time explaining to my father in law that it was a minivan. Thank you sir, keep healing ~ Chuck

[@Daniel-fd3wp]

My Dad gave me his Chevy Venture. About 5 years ago he loved that minivan. He bought it brand new. When he always got close to 100,000 miles. He said time to get rid of it. He bragged about the space in the back take out the third seat fold the middle. You could put a refrigerator in there. They are very roomy . Great Vehicles. 👍

[@stevenraposo4830]

Hope everything's going well you are missed get well soon buddy hurry back

[@vegandollsunited]

don't be a fool. he aint getting well anytime soon.

[@stevenraposo4830]

What a clown 👆

[@satoshifomonacci8748]

Worked at a flower shop for a summer job and drove a '85 Caravan that looked exactly like that toy car. That thing used to be able to chirp the front tires from a stop - haha. Always fun to drive a slow car, fast!

[@bruceabbott3941]

I had a 1988 Reliant K with that 2.2L It was bullet-proof and easy to work on. My brother had a 1990 Dodge Omni with the same engine; when one of us had an engine problem, we'd park side by side and swap parts until the problem migrated. Loved that car!

[@ncamaro76]

Back in the day. A friends mom had a 2.2 turbo with a manual. It was the coolest minivan back in the day

[@samuelfreeman9518]

Steve, my parents had an 88 voyager until 2015. I recall the parts books at Walmart in the early 90s showed the filters and bulbs under Plymouth "Truck". I assumed these things were considered trucks until "minivan" became it's own vehicle type.

[@joshuagraham3222]

My parents bought one of the first Dodge Caravans in 1984 when I was 8. My mom loved that car. Had it for 10 years. I do remember that there was no rear A/C so in the third street it was so hot.

[@Wooley689]

My parents had a blue one just like that, it also had a big storage compartment under the front passenger seat. When the Voyager model came out they got one of those as well so they could travel to different states to see us and our families. Both Vans had well over 300,000 dependable miles on them that they put on.

[@jims4268]

Good to see you Steve!

[@Fony_turgeson]

its a rerun bu he still apptrciates the love

[@99somerville]

We had a 1984 at work. I remember driving it and thinking how high up you sat. Now every pickup, SUV, and crossover is jacked up high. It was practical though. We used it to bring stuff to trade shows.

[@jeffreycarleton1535]

I hope you are doing well my friend! Thanks for the video! I remember when Lee Iacocca revealed these on the Phil Donahue show before they came out! I remember he said that there would come a time in America when the average price of a car would be 10,000$! The audience laughed ! Bet they’re not laughing now! Great video, Steve! Be well, my friend!

[@googleusergp]

One day closer for your return to the yard. As stated last time: Correct, Mr. Sperlich and Mr. Iacocca tried to sell Mr. Ford II on the minivan, but he scoffed at it, probably thinking (somewhat incorrectly) that it would steal wagon sales. Mr. Ford was an 1156 bulb in an LED world---not the brightest one in the string and the company's problems back then can be squarely placed on his shoulders. Of course, the minivan was a sales success at Chrysler and in 1986, the wretched Aerostar was cobbled together at Ford and was nothing like the minivan at Chrysler. GM had the Astro and Safari and those too weren't what a Chrysler product was. Mssrs. Iacocca and Sperlich were smiling ear to ear when the product came out at Chrysler, causing GM and Ford to scramble (and fail) to catch them in the sales of these products. Yes, today we have the Pacifica, which is the minivan of choice for rentals at Enterprise and others. We often rent Pacificas on our business trips because they seat a lot of people and accommodate a lot of luggage. They also ride nicely and get good fuel mileage. I'd never buy one, but they have their purpose. Yup, the minivan (and mostly all of Chrysler's front wheel drive products, imports excepted) were "Sperlich Specials" and based on the K-car design. Actually to create confusion, there WAS an "H" and "K" model within the "S" body. Sometimes, they would use those codes in the parts catalog to differentiate parts between the divisions (Dodge and Plymouth, or Chrysler in the case of the Town and Country). Yes, Chrysler used "alphabet soup" like GM did with their models. You have to know their parts system or you'll be left in the dust. Correct, 1989-1990 on the turbo 2.5L. Correct, the importance of getting it in a regular garage, and the sliding door to get in out of it in mall parking lots and the like were important. It was also one of the first/primary uses of "focus" groups to develop the product. No VIN, can't win, but the 10th digit of the VIN would be an "L" for the 1990 model year and it was assembled either in St. Louis, MO (Fenton) which operated from 1959 to 2009 or Windsor, Ontario Canada which opened in 1928 and still operates today under Stellantis. It also still produces the minivan. No tag, can't brag, but possible code B32 Light Spectrum Blue exterior paint.

[@408Satellite]

They were great. I had a 1988 & a 1994, both went through anything I tossed at it. Hall anything and could still deal with a snow storm.

[@malcolmhamilton5200]

I was getting some welding done on my Austin Mini the first time I saw one. Me and the welding shop owner drove the salesman's minivan on a 20 mile loop, with him burbling away about it, abandoning the shop and my car. It needed more power and gears, but you could immediately see this was the future. Station wagons days were numbered. You rode high, with fantastic vision over traffic. The pure utility of it, without the 8 mpg penalty of fullsized vans and pickups, of the time, was crystal clear. Like Steve said, it fit everywhere a car did and steered and rode like a car, no truck or FS van rough ride or poor handling. At the time, it was a true game changer. It was great to see Cheeseler stay out in front of the competition, eventually eliminating Chevy and Ford as competition, as they quietly bowed out of the market completely. Another real nod to their dominance in this market, was Volkswagen's first foray into the market being just a rebadged Chrysler with the words Routon on the slightly modified nose and tail. For every year of it's production it outsold all other foreign and domestic minivans combined. A couple of years ago I noticed the hwy mileage for a Honda Civic was only 4 mpg better than an almost 300 HP Dodge Caravan. Talk about have your cake and eat it too. Screw the Pacifica and it's fancier style, the Caravan was the right size for North America IMO. My buddy's wife took the team to practice, came home. The seats" disappeared" in seconds, went to Home Depot, put ALL the drywall sheets, etc inside, closed the hatch and drove home dry in pouring rain. Try that with your 5 foot pickup bed, in the rain.

[@jaybeemhardscrote7466]

Uh Volkswagen basically invented the minivan, the Routan was certainly not their first foray into the segment. More like their 4th!

[@malcolmhamilton5200]

I meant the fact that the number two foreign car manufacturer(vying hard to be #1 before the diesel scandal), chose the Chrysler minivan, to dip their toe into the modern minivan market Iacocca invented, was a nod to Chrysler's dominance. I do remember the microbus and the long, long, long wait for 60 mph, but they really are seperate of minivans, in a class of vehicle all their own. My Scottish uncle used their pickup version as delivery vehicles for his joinery(carpentry) business in the 70s and who hasn't seen a camper conversion of them too? Owned dozens of different and specialty vehicles since the mid seventies. Never considered a microbus as they're just too slow to be in every day traffic, particularly nowadays IMO.

[@tomm1109]

The Astro van was pretty cool. RWD and all. But vans were death traps in those days. Didn't need to meet many safety standards.

[@malcolmhamilton5200]

@@tomm1109 Yeah, they filled a niche the FWD minivans couldn't, for towing with 3/4s of a 350 and their tougher transmissions. My brother had a Safari and it got much better mileage than the POS Nissan Quest he replaced it with. There was more welded metal in the back doors than original, the way they rusted. Other problem was the front ends they shared with the S10s. One buddy changed the entire front suspension and steering four times over it's life. The oil pan rusted out, lost the oil and seized the engine on my Sister in law. To the Safari's credit she drove an additional 250 miles after the oil idiot light came on. My brother dropped $2,600.00 on rebuilding the engine(in 96') but got an additional 7 years out of it and sold it on later. Only minivans I ever heard that didn't overheat and cook their trannies towing, those Safaris. Every other brand, including the Venture would crap the bed(transmission) towing.

[@TheopolisQSmith]

A friend of mine bought his wife a 1984 Chrysler minivan as soon as they came out. They kept if until almost 2000. He rebuilt the motor once and did a refresh on it in the mid 90’s. She loved it and sure was sad when it finally died.

[@marcodarko6941]

I went to school with some kids that lived down the road and their parents drove a 1990/91 ish with the faux wood paneling for around 20 some odd years in pristine condition all the way. I could always tell it was them coming up the road by the sound of that v6.

[@fishgeralding9224]

My boss (body shop manager) at gulf coast Dodge had a turbo caravan demo they gave him to drive. I drove it a few times and it was pretty peppy. My wife and I had a 93 Voyager with the 3.3 v6. Although I'm not a fan of front wd, it was a comfortable ride on road trips, and easy to drive. We drove it from sw Florida up to Long Island to visit family once and it was snowing when we arrived on Easter Sunday. It did quite well in the snow. Keep on the mend sir, lot's of folks pulling for you!

[@RichardCHudson]

I drove one of these for work, these vans run good.

[@therealpatriarchy]

The all-new Plymouth Appliance.

[@onedayiwillmakesomecontent]

Be great if all the auto manufacturers returned to vehicle heights under 6' high. Better corner visibility (for everyone on the road) surely reduced drag and lower centre of gravity, less rollovers... less weight.

[@sombra6153]

I remember in the early 90s a co-worker with a 2.5 turbo minivan ran pretty strong. Had a five speed. It wasn’t as fast as my Mustang, but it was a whole lot quicker than other minivans regardless of who’s badge was on it. I briefly drove a LeBaron with the turbo. Didn’t realize it had a turbo. It was a dog until it hit 30 and overcame the turbo lag and took off. Surprised me. Anyway Steve, you make stuff interesting that we once despised. Stay on the road to recovery and kick in the secondaries.

[@pepsibottleq]

I kinda miss these things - honestly the design has stood the test of time. Hope all is well Steve

[@alanconnors8881]

It was a life saver for us when the kids were young. So were my wife and I for that matter.

[@anibalbabilonia1867]

Great revisiting again! You forgot to mention the leaf springs on the rear too! 😂hope you’re doing well Steve!

[@setevn11]

my parents had the woodgrain version when i was growing up. Made many trips to the grocery store in it.

[@stephaniedanielles553]

'K-cars.' I can Not believe I missed connection. Thank you Steve. It's so obvious! 🙈✨

[@ianthompson6268]

I had a Reliant K wagon. Great car. Super comfy and had a/c like a walk-in freezer. Oh, and that van has pop-out rear windows. In later years those pop-outs could be controlled by knobs in an overhead console, kinda' neat.

[@Beandiptheredneck]

My parents had one of these when I was a kid, exactly like this one, same colors and all

[@The_R-n-I_Guy]

We're all pulling for you Steve. Hope to see you back in the Junkyard soon

[@vegandollsunited]

he aint going to be in any junkyard soon

[@davidp2888]

Steve doing a nighttime video drop?! Cool. Hope your recovery is going well.

[@7171-Ws6]

Steve you need more merch!!! I want some tshirts!

[@GODEES77]

Longest week ever hahaha. Hope you’re on the mend Steve

[@musclecarmitch908]

The great Chrysler minivan! When Chrysler was still a real company, i sure miss the real Chrysler hard to believe its gone. Another great episode as always Steve!

[@klwthe3rd]

I miss them too.

[@mikemichaud5048]

Thank you Steve!👍

[@SteveMagnante]

Very welcome

[@rodduncan1183]

Steve it is great to see you back online, UNCLE TONY kept us up-to-date on what was happening so I think somewhere along the line you may have to force a product with a froth on it into his hand. Just keep it short & sweet we all would rather have you still with us, so don't overdo things Kiwi Rod

[@SteveMagnante]

Hello Kiwi Rod, im still on the mend from encephalitis. Ill be making more High Octane Classics Muscle Car Walk Around videos later this week but dont have the stamina to wander junkyards yet. Hopefully soon. Until then, thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante

[@rodduncan1183]

Steve you can see the light at the end of the tunnel right now, i'm sure it feels distant only you know how close things got, the most important thing is you listen to your doctor. Years ago I meet a guy down here in New Zealand who said I lived a couple of house from & went to school with the youngest of the BEACH BOYS, (I can't remember his name) we were really good friends we all went Oh yeah !!!! Until he brought to work a school photo. Have you listen to Dion tell about growing up in The Bronx You know your a good story teller Picture this In your PJ'S Camel hair slippers & dress gown, your medicinal pipe on the table beside you next to the preserving jar 3/4 full of a tinted liquid (herbal tea of course) THERE I've set the atmosphere all you need to do is fill the space LOL Kiwi Rod

[@marcodarko6941]

I am a station wagon guy myself but wouldn't shake a stick at a minivan. I went for a mid size SUV that suits me well, a Toyota but it gives me the feel of an uplifted wagon. A lot of people think they are soulless but I don't want anything else modern from any automaker out on the road these days. The Chrysler minivans were a staple in my neck of the woods.. lots of Chrysler families.. and in my opinion were the most desirable of them all. My good friend in the mid 90's bought a fairly clean Caravan dirt cheap identical to that one there, it had two bench seats and that was it. The four cylinder was a dog but it got her around for awhile when she needed it. Good to see you you back Steve and getting better.

[@lilmike2710]

My first memory of the K car was when my Aunt rolled up in a brand new, silver 1981 Chrysler Lebaron convertible. With a big cheeky smile on her face. 😊 When the door was opened a voice wiuld come on the speakers saying "the door is ajar." Thats all i ever heard it saying. And of course the default retort was always "No car, its not a jar, its a door." 😁 Today you'll be hard pressed to find that model in a convertible. They're apparently rare as hens teeth.

[@66balsam]

We bought an 86 Daytona I think, was first ever front wheel drive car- was a revelation in snow! I had a bud at work that would buy a rear beam axle from wreckers and make light duty utility trailers from them.

[@sprintcar-acematt5175]

My inlaws had one exactly like the one in the video. The transmission failed several times. The car was so embarrassing the grandkids refused to ride in it.

[@rossriley3818]

Had two of them. Great great family mover, excellent mpg, very comfortable, drove amazingly well. My only complaint was the cost of changing the timing belt at 60k kept going up.

[@SteveMagnante]

Thanks for sharing

[@bshingledecker]

Working at Enterprise Rent a car, The current version of Chrysler's Grand Town and country or Pacifica are rarely on the lot for long. They ride wonderfully, are comfortable have plenty of guts, and still get mid 20's MPG. Seem well made, have oodles of room, and their stow and go seating is really cool. They started a trend that continues to this day. I still have my 2004 Sienna that I bought new and still would trust on a couple thousand mile jaunt any where (175k)

[@jeffruebens8355]

Just stay away from the hybrid Chrysler Pacifica minivan, terrible reliabilty. The regular V6 has average reliability, fine for rental companies that sell them after maybe 4 to 5 years if not sooner.

[@bshingledecker]

@@jeffruebens8355 3 yrs, 60K is the going 'get rid of them' rule.

[@nellof1244]

I had a 2.6 hemi. It was zippy. And very light. Did lots of racing

[@lauackerman4801]

Keep on trucking steve!!

[@madmike2624]

Steve with a sneak attack with the release of a video at midnight eastern time! What a way to start the day!! Get your health back my brother!!!!

[@pb5778]

Thanks for sharing this video with us

[@SteveMagnante]

My pleasure

[@johnde2754]

Hey Steve-O, absolutely tremendous insight on this literal home run of a vehicle for Chrysler Corp. We had no idea that the Plymouth division sold full size vans using the "Voyager" moniker. Actually thought it originated with the introduction of the '84 mini van line. Either way, Keep On Keeping On Fella'. --- PRACTICE THE PRESENCE. ✝️

[@WinkelManBearPig]

My grandma had a 1st gen with the 3.0 v6 My mom had a 1st gen with the 3.0 v6, which she traded in towards a 92 Grand Voyager LE with the 3.3 v6. What a cruiser. When I had my first kid I found a 1992 Dodge Grand Caravan LE with the 3.3 v6, I snapped it up without hesitation

[@oceania2385]

I had the turbo model ! My service manager made me deal, if i bought it he'd have the clear coat redone under warranty. Most of the engine was in a crate in the back of course. Fun car, it even had faux wood paneling.

[@jimtaylor431]

Great to see you back at it Steve! Really enjoyable content again :-)

[@SteveMagnante]

Thank you kindly!

[@Henry_Jones]

I wanted my parents to get a minivan so much back then. My friends parents had them and I hated being stuffed in their a body buick century wagon. They wouldnt though cuz of safety. They were afraid of us kids being able to get out in the event of a collision cuz the sliding door was only on 1 side. They were afraid of side impact or the van flipping onto the sliding door side and kids being trapped. Im sure that did happen too! By the time the dual sliding doors came out in 96 they didnt need a minivan anymore. I never lost my love for minivans though and today I have an odyssey.

[@jamesmorrell2901]

I owned a brown 1987 Plymouth Voyager. Rather than having captain's seats up front and two rear seats, it had a 40/60 bench seat in the front and one rear seat that held three passengers. That made for a decent sized cargo area in the rear without having to remove a third seat. It didn't have air conditioning when I bought it: Chrysler had an AC kit for the dealer to install it, which was what I had done. Provisions for mounting some of the components in the AC kit were installed from the factory. My '87 had a 2.6L Mitsubishi engine with California emissions that produced 104 HP.

[@klwthe3rd]

I'm not trying to be a jerk but i'm pretty sure they didn't make a bench seat in any minivan. a 40/60 split seat is a bench seat that allows each person to move their part of the seat independently. No minivan from Chrysler EVER had that setup.

[@arthurmccarron4379]

My late friend. Bought a 1985 new. Kept a long time

[@danpatterson8009]

Take out the back seats and you can hose down the interior to get out all the Cheerios and dried apple juice.

[@stevehenderson2571]

Waiting for your appearance back on the block.

[@ricksaint2000]

Thank you Steve

[@debbiebermudez5890]

Mr. B. Here ! 🍩☕️👀😎👍. Morning Mags ! I guess Professor Steve could not sleep 🛌. Well class is in session ! Was not a fan, but they were use-full . Just as you see two engines. 🍎✏️📓📐🎓

[@jamestregler1584]

Looking good man, thanks from old New Orleans 😇

[@SteveMagnante]

Thanks for watching!

[@coldlakealta4043]

I had one of those - having no sliding door on the left side was a total pain - hard to load people and things.

[@stephaneracicot791]

hey your back keep well from ontario here

[@nitrohogg1]

I had a short wheel base turbo, thing was fast, I rebuilt the engine and did a few mods, was a lot of fun!!!

[@john-vy1ml]

Dad bought a first year Plymouth voyager 5spd manual and no ac. Went over 300k miles but summer vacation with no ac sucked.😅

[@davidchristensen6908]

Hate these or love these they were very popular and it was a new look. When they came out everyone said wow. Tv and radio and print advertising this car added to the economy in so many ways. My mother Lin law bought one and she owned station wagons forever. It did just what they advertised moved large loads for not a lot of gas and was comfortable for all to sit in. Best wishes Steve hope to see you back soon.

[@thomasfletcher760]

I used to own one of those , great van until the trans broke ( had over 300,000 miles on it when trans broke )

[@grabasandwich]

I worked at a transmission shop nearly 20 yrs ago running their dyno machine. Tested a LOT of rebuilt A604s (or whatever they're called)

[@Inpreesme]

Thank you

[@SurnaturalM]

I had a 1983 reliant K and the thing that was weird is that, it was a small car which drove and ride like a big, full cars.

[@platec4798]

Welcome back! Plate C

[@Fony_turgeson]

its a rerun

[@GilBenavidez]

My dad tried to do a burn out with one before... the motor said goodbye.

[@joelark2007]

Somebody at that yard knows where all those parts are stored in the junk cars ...have at it

[@Ron_Lockwood]

We had friends who loved these. Be well.😎

[@timothyhays1817]

Commode a place to keep the chamber pot and have a wash basin on top. "A piece of furniture." Sorry is commode the base word for commodious?

[@peterantonopoulos2572]

Up late Steve?, stay strong and see you soon buddy.

[@bgee461]

Id love a turbo minivan

[@peters8758]

I suspect the Ford engine in the back is a 240. Intake manifold removes in a different way than the cheapo 200/250 that Ford threw into a Falcon or Maverick

[@MerryfieldComedy]

Hey Steve, where do you find all the brochures for the cars you highlight?

[@IowaBudgetRCBashers]

All the fwd mopars on this platform were great. Although when they switched to the v6 the transmission became a weak point

[@klwthe3rd]

It wasn't the 6 cylinder that made the transmission bad, it was the new ultradrive 4 speed automatics that were used by Chrysler around the time the 6 cylinder was put into use.

[@jeffruebens8355]

A regular V6 Chrysler Pacifica minivan is great to rent for a long trip with 5 to 7 people. The hybrid version is very unreliable. It went station wagons to minivans to SUVs for the most sales.

[@deedgrabber]

So glad you're back. Also you look great.

[@chuk2795]

Love my caravan

[@gettothechase636]

It was defiled that 2.6 hemi was a Mitsubishi 😅 not Chrysler 😊😢

[@DanEBoyd]

Unfinished Project, where are you?

[@UnfinishedProjectDartSport]

In bed!!

[@ericbuist8218]

These used leaf springs instead of coils in the rear... didn't they?

[@23nedlog]

Good to see you back Steve. I was praying for you.

[@SteveMagnante]

I appreciate that

[@madmike2624]

It's been 4 days Steve, don't scare your fans, all good??????????

[@shaggydarvel]

Say the word minivan and this is what I think of

[@Ilovetheinterweb.]

Made in windsor ont .

[@jeffdalrymple1634]

Too bad Iacocca was a "con" man especially with having no regards to his customers. My parents brought a '85 Voyager brand new. We kept it in a climate controlled garage, changed the oil every 2k miles. About a month into ownership the computer failed. The 2.6 burned a quart every 300 miles, tans axle and engine mounts failed after 40k miles. The interior trim fell apart after two years. The side mirrors were held together with rubber bands. The cv joints failed after 50k miles. After 8 years, we ended up replacing it with '86 Cutlass. The minuki carburator was problematic.

[@timkis64]

when chrysler lost their minds.

[@RC-cc4rv]

--- Please support Steve's go fund me that he set up so he doesn't have to sell his house and cars he built. His go fund me video is on 5/28, it's not letting me post the link.

[@Ray-r5j9u]

🖖🙏

[@scottbogfoot]

😊

[@LordEvan5]

I got my ass kicked by a turbo caravan in a 88 Grand Marquis GS the mommy driving it was pretty hot by my standards I like em a bit big not too big 180 or so

[@jarm7726]

Wagons Ho 🤓❤️🇺🇲

[@JoeRocket-sf6qs]

Those engines were trash.my dad had one in mid 90s it was a1990 model, it left our whole family stranded in the middle of nowhere for two days with a blown motor,cost a new block 2800.00$ in 95 was no joke.

[@UnfinishedProjectDartSport]

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