The object we thought was impossible

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Steve Mould

Steve Mould

Күн бұрын

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@SteveMould
@SteveMould Жыл бұрын
* polyhedrons - it's a valid plural and I'm taking it out for a spin. The sponsor is Incogni: the first 100 people to use code SCIENCE at the link below will get 60% off: incogni.com/science
@StarkRG
@StarkRG Жыл бұрын
It might be valid (inasmuch as English doesn't have any official rules so anything's valid as long as more than one person agrees) but it's still weird to hear. It feels like when someone says vertexes, matrixes (unless they're referring to the movies), or phenomenons.
@derroz3157
@derroz3157 Жыл бұрын
i NEED A Candle
@BruceElliott
@BruceElliott Жыл бұрын
It's "polyhedra", and that's the hill I'm prepared to die on.
@theCidisIn
@theCidisIn Жыл бұрын
Did you say Stephens polyhedron? Edit: Sorry, I looked at the description and you said it's called Steffan's polyhedron.
@danielguy3581
@danielguy3581 Жыл бұрын
@@BruceElliott No, you may not die on that hill. Only after you've fought over each and every Latin and Greek word being formed as plurals in English according to the rules of their origin language, when you've reddened the craggy landscape with your lifeblood, at last uttering your final grammatical gasp, do you have my permission to die on that hill.
@BeefinOut
@BeefinOut Жыл бұрын
Every neuron in my brain is screaming "IT'S JUST FLEXING WITHIN THE TOLERANCE OF THE IMPERFECT PRINT" which I know isn't the case, but I can't NOT see it that way
@accuwau
@accuwau Жыл бұрын
exactlyyy!
@krallopian
@krallopian Жыл бұрын
Same!
@columbus8myhw
@columbus8myhw Жыл бұрын
That's the infinitesimal one later on!
@GeezRvonFart
@GeezRvonFart Жыл бұрын
Same here... in my limited mind the tolerances play a part, but at the same time, material flex must also play a part... instant head ache
@johnpekkala6941
@johnpekkala6941 Жыл бұрын
Exactly indeed. 3d print this as one single part with no joints and it will also be 100% rigid. Speaking of, is there an stl file somewhere for this shape? (i doubt it but would be fun if there was) I made another fun shape a while ago on my 3D printer. I think it was called a gomboc.
@Rukalin
@Rukalin Жыл бұрын
The little stretchiness in the triangle you were talking about reminds me of illegal Lego builds where people combine many small Lego pieces in patterns so they bend and create curved surfaces
@SteveMould
@SteveMould Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@retro4711
@retro4711 Жыл бұрын
"illegal lego builds" i love it 😂❤
@laureng2110
@laureng2110 Жыл бұрын
​@@retro4711That's what the Lego company calls them! It means they won't use these techniques in an official set, usually because they aren't stable or can get stuck.
@retro4711
@retro4711 Жыл бұрын
@@laureng2110 i didn't know that, thanks! When I read "illegal builds" i couldn't help but imagine the lego police busting through my door because I built something using a forbidden technique :D
@JamesScholesUK
@JamesScholesUK Жыл бұрын
​@@retro4711 this will be a B-story in the Lego Movie 7
@Braincain007
@Braincain007 Жыл бұрын
I always love it when you and Matt pop up in each other's videos :D
@standupmaths
@standupmaths Жыл бұрын
Magic!
@gorden2500
@gorden2500 Жыл бұрын
@@standupmaths was that a Parker card trick?
@Barnaclebeard
@Barnaclebeard Жыл бұрын
"Mathematician's bad sleight of hand," sounded entirely reasonable. I didn't suspect it was a set up at all. Very funny.
@standupmaths
@standupmaths Жыл бұрын
@@gorden2500Parker card illusion.
@kiddor3
@kiddor3 Жыл бұрын
Spoilers!!!
@chrisburn7178
@chrisburn7178 Жыл бұрын
The infinitesimally rigid polyhedrons which flex in the real world remind me of (I think) a practical application of this, which is "negative stiffness isolators". The object to be isolated from vibration is mounted to metal flexures (at the centre of the polyhedron that "pops" in and out like the fresh seal on a jam jar lid). This means that the deflection can actually increase as the force decreases, over a portion of the stiffness curve. They are very useful for extreme sensitivity environments where vibration on the order of 0.1 micrometres/s RMS velocity can be detrimental, and for high frequency vibration that active isolation can't respond to.
@IdentifiantE.S
@IdentifiantE.S Жыл бұрын
Oh thats interesting man !
@frozenturtl827
@frozenturtl827 11 ай бұрын
I can’t completely understand wtf u just said but the parts I do sound neat. Ima need to see this for myself now lol
@Alex_192.
@Alex_192. 9 ай бұрын
Polyhedra*
@bellytripper-nh8ox
@bellytripper-nh8ox 8 ай бұрын
Replying to @chrisburn7178: SARZHERFLURGERFLARRBZHSHAR?
@RichUncleGhostMutt
@RichUncleGhostMutt 8 ай бұрын
Heaps interesting cheers
@MrGatlin98
@MrGatlin98 Жыл бұрын
I wasn't convinced until I saw the simulation. This feels like tolerance problems in the 3D printed joints. It only makes sense in my head when it's a simulation with rigid definitions that aren't allowed to flex or stretch.
@iout
@iout Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing at first, but you gotta realize that they probably proved this stuff mathematically a while ago. Making it physically is just a fun bonus step.
@jasond4084
@jasond4084 Жыл бұрын
“They probably proved” is not “There’s a proof over here they are referencing”. If I know Steve he will realize he has to show the proof. *I don’t know Steve at all. 😅
@WLxMusic
@WLxMusic Жыл бұрын
it slides though
@iout
@iout Жыл бұрын
@@jasond4084 ​The actual proof is probably really long and opaque, not worth referencing in full in a quick, 9 minute, general audience video. But Steve does give enough information in the video to look it up for yourself if you were so inclined: 2:48 - the polyhedron in question was discovered by Klaus Steffen in 1978 and is known as Steffen's polyhedron.
@jasond4084
@jasond4084 Жыл бұрын
@@iout it wasn’t clear in the video that the printed version and the proven version were the same. I thought this was a new find. But okeeee. Thanks
@tammyhollandaise
@tammyhollandaise Жыл бұрын
I remember making "hexa-flexagons" in school. They're technically six tetrahedrons attached to each other, but are pretty fun to play with.
@The_Moth1
@The_Moth1 Жыл бұрын
*Memories of Vihart*
@sophiedowney1077
@sophiedowney1077 Жыл бұрын
​@@The_Moth1I just showed my dad the vihart hexaflexagon video yesterday. It's kind of funny seeing it brought up a decade later.
@K.D.Fischer_HEPHY
@K.D.Fischer_HEPHY Жыл бұрын
Weird "flex" but OK. ;-)
@tammyhollandaise
@tammyhollandaise Жыл бұрын
@@sophiedowney1077 strange... I didn't realize there was a 2D-ish version. The ones we made are always 3D with regular tetrahedrons.
@LucianLazuli
@LucianLazuli Жыл бұрын
im glad im not the only one@@The_Moth1
@MrRyanroberson1
@MrRyanroberson1 Жыл бұрын
6:44 i'm surprised you didn't think of the dodecahedron. any pentagonal face, when removed, if it permits flexibility will permit two degrees of freedom.
@haphazard1342
@haphazard1342 Жыл бұрын
This makes intuitive sense: the pentagonal face can be broken up into multiple independent triangles, which thus can easily have their own flexibility. Since they do not share an unconstrained edge. I'm not sure if this is necessarily true independence, since the flexibility likely transfers through the rest of the body, but in the real world with the amount of flex in models the amount of movement transfer may be negligible. We can rephrase the question, then: does there exist any polyhedron where the removal of two faces results in only a single degree of freedom introduced? If not, then the polygonal face question becomes irrelevant, since any polygonal face can be divided into triangular faces: structurally the polygonal version and the triangulated version are equivalent when the faces constituting the polygon are removed.
@joshualucas1821
@joshualucas1821 Жыл бұрын
@@haphazard1342 A cube with two opposite faces removed has 1 degree of freedom
@cthonianmessiah
@cthonianmessiah Жыл бұрын
I was thinking along similar lines, although I didn't work toward a minimal example - I just thought "OK, cut an icosahedron in half such that one face is much larger than the others and has a bunch of vertices, then remove it and there must be a way to get multiple degrees of freedom out of this".
@krzysztofsuchecki4967
@krzysztofsuchecki4967 Жыл бұрын
A pyramid, but with penta-, hexa- or more-gon as a base instead of square would become a flappy umbrella with increasingly more degrees of freedom (as the number of vertices increases) when the base is removed, wouldn't it ?
@figmentincubator7980
@figmentincubator7980 Жыл бұрын
@@krzysztofsuchecki4967 Doesn't that approach the top of a cone as the number of sides of the base increases? Intuitively I imagine a cone being rigid though I don't know if that is true. Anyways perhaps something like a pentagon base would be flexible anyways, its an interesting idea.
@conure512
@conure512 Жыл бұрын
You mentioned polyhedra that are bi-stable, and it made me realize that the phenomenon of bi-stability is actually quite common - it's just that in most cases, the stable points are so far from each other that we can't really flex between then even with real-life, "rigid" pieces. Take the icosahedron for example - imagine applying enough pressure to one vertex that it gets "punched in", and the vertex now points inward rather than out. What you're left with is a structure with 20 perfect equilateral triangles, it's just concave now. Maybe the interesting problem regarding bi-stability is to find bi-stable shapes (or "multi-stable", it shouldn't have to be just 2) whose stable positions are as close together as possible. And I suppose a flexible polyhedron is the infinite limit of multi-stability, where its stable points are so infinitely close together that they become continuous.
@fabulousflufferbum2051
@fabulousflufferbum2051 Жыл бұрын
I hate that I understand this run on ass sentence regardless of how many of the words I literally couldn't define given half a chance
@identiticrisis
@identiticrisis Жыл бұрын
​@@fabulousflufferbum2051you should probably just embrace it
@melody3741
@melody3741 Жыл бұрын
@@fabulousflufferbum2051these are completely normal sentences
@arnavrawat9864
@arnavrawat9864 11 ай бұрын
Lmao this comment section is funny af Though OP you do a good job creating a picture
@YunxiaoChu
@YunxiaoChu 7 ай бұрын
Huh
@Viniter
@Viniter Жыл бұрын
4:21 Ah, yes, The Parker Card Trick!
@feelsweirdman542
@feelsweirdman542 Жыл бұрын
Matemathicians: "This is Impossible!" Guy with a 3D Printer: "Are you challenging me?"
@nhand42
@nhand42 Жыл бұрын
Ivan Miranda deserves far more subscribers than he currently has. He's been building amazing machines and prints for years and he's always enthusiastic.
@geort45
@geort45 Жыл бұрын
gigantic printers and gigantic stuff
@paulbrooks4395
@paulbrooks4395 Жыл бұрын
I love your curiosity and desire to explore the little things that many of us think are simple. The more I learn the more depth I realize there is to unlock.
@raptor2265
@raptor2265 Жыл бұрын
I have to wonder what Euler's reaction would be if you took this back through time and showed it to him.
@FreedumbHS
@FreedumbHS Жыл бұрын
He'd be like "holy shit time travel is possible?"
@jakobwachter5181
@jakobwachter5181 Жыл бұрын
"Huh."
@catfish552
@catfish552 Жыл бұрын
"Oh come ONNNN!"
@bluelemon243
@bluelemon243 Жыл бұрын
Euler was blind if remeber correctly so it would be hard to show him that lol
@Ultimaximus
@Ultimaximus Жыл бұрын
@@bluelemon243 He'd still be able to feel the shape and hold it in his hand
@mousermind
@mousermind Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid, back in my old school Maryetta, we'd compete in trying to build 3D shapes strong enough not to shatter when thrown on the ground. Those were the days.
@huxm5259
@huxm5259 Жыл бұрын
That was quite the nostalgia hit. Those toys were one of my favorites. I remember experimenting with this exact concept, except with no language or basis to understand it. It makes me think that people could become so much smarter if they were taught on an individual level. I was probably 2 when I had these toys and I was feel like i was ready to understand these types of concepts with the right teacher.
@ElcoCanon
@ElcoCanon Жыл бұрын
wow you're so smart.
@abangfarhan1
@abangfarhan1 Жыл бұрын
Hey, do you know what those toys are called? I want to look them up on online shops.
@huxm5259
@huxm5259 Жыл бұрын
​@@ElcoCanon I'm just saying that these kinds of concepts could be learned so much earlier in life with the right teaching. This is like some late high school level stuff, but it's so easily accessible with these toys that its almost a natural progression if you play with them long enough. If you played with them as a small child all the time you would know I'm not lying. everyone does this exact thing with them but just don't develop a deeper understanding because of the lack of teaching.
@ferretyluv
@ferretyluv Жыл бұрын
These toys still exist, but they’re magnetic now. Kids love them, usually making castles.
@John-kv3do
@John-kv3do Жыл бұрын
@@abangfarhan1 Polydron
@xyoxus
@xyoxus Жыл бұрын
3:27 If you have an object like this in a 3D format you can put it into software like PepakuraDesigner to get glue flaps, so you don't have to use tape to hold it together.
@robertmacpherson9044
@robertmacpherson9044 Жыл бұрын
I was struck by the passing mention of Robert Connelly. Back in the mid 90s, I made some flexible "carbon ring" models for Dr. Connelly and for a Swiss post doc named Beat Jaggi.
@stillbreathing80
@stillbreathing80 Жыл бұрын
This reminded me of origami, and how that can be used to demonstrate and illustrate mathematical concepts. I still have a copy of my favorite origami book from when I was a kid that actually contains a full chapter on "Beautiful Polyhedrons" that got little me asking my scientist mother math questions that she couldn't answer (which made little me feel very, very smart at the time.) They are mostly multi-sheet builds, but unitized in a way that you can easily assemble them into intriguing polyhedrons. I highly recommend "Origami Omnibus", by Kunihiko Kasahara if you can track down a copy of the 384pg tome as one of the few origami books printed in English that I've encountered that actually explores the mathematical beauty and concepts behind folding square sheets of paper. It covers everything from cute and simple animal models up through multipage books (no cutting) with a matching bookcase to store them in, and the method (and math) of using different sized paper (without rulers or calculators) to make interlocking 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, and 10 sided polygons of equal side length (pg 222) to build things like a rhombitruncated icosidodecahedron (pg 229) and the reversible stellate icosahedron (pg 234, which you can actually turn inside out and change it from flat sides into something starlike.) I'd love to see you explore some of the more technical stuff from that book. Even young kids can understand complicated subjects when they have real-world demonstrations in their hands.
@harmonic5107
@harmonic5107 Жыл бұрын
Seeing this reminds me of seeing those rocks that are flexible. So strange to see something that your mind does not expect to happen happen.
@bathbomber
@bathbomber Жыл бұрын
Can you tell me more about these flexible rocks?
@hadz8671
@hadz8671 Жыл бұрын
@@bathbomber Google "itacolumite"
@kirtil5177
@kirtil5177 Жыл бұрын
@@bathbomber its called Itacolumite, there are youtube videos about it. something about a solid-looking rock bending feels so unnatural (despite it being natural)
@harmonic5107
@harmonic5107 Жыл бұрын
@@kirtil5177 beat me to it, thanks!
@monhi64
@monhi64 Жыл бұрын
@@bathbomberbasically flexibility of an object is arguably more about an objects shape than it is about the physical properties. Think about a metal block and it’s not really flexible at all but make it thin, like a spring or foil and it can become very flexible. There’s a specific type of rock that has enough inherent flexibility that a regular looking centimeter thick or so sheet of it can flex around in a way that looks bizarre. What I haven’t seen more people talk about though is the fact you can make just about any rock flexible by shaping it correctly and making it thin and perhaps spring like. Those rocks specifically known for being flexible lose all of their flexibility too if they’re not shaped right and are too blocky
@gallium-gonzollium
@gallium-gonzollium Жыл бұрын
6:34 *J O I N U S*
@morganmcguire1989
@morganmcguire1989 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that this is approachable and clear without in any way dumbing down the math or avoiding terminology.
@Reegeed
@Reegeed Жыл бұрын
I think its impossible unless removed wall has 5 sides. 6:00 you can move them independently when there are at least 5 free edges icosahedron with 5 sides removed is the same as if there was originally pentagon. Is icosahedron with pentagonal side a proof then since it fits definition of polyhedron 2:17?
@maxthexpfarmer3957
@maxthexpfarmer3957 Жыл бұрын
yea
@koharaisevo3666
@koharaisevo3666 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the dodecahedron's much better
@Reegeed
@Reegeed Жыл бұрын
@@koharaisevo3666 they already have pentagonal walls that are rigid on its own when 3 of them are connected
@Reegeed
@Reegeed Жыл бұрын
Every antiprizm with top and bottom wall that have 5 or more edges can do
@guest_informant
@guest_informant Жыл бұрын
"Proofs and Refutations" by Imre Lakatos, which examines the nature of mathematical progress and discovery (check it out, it's got its own Wikipedia page*) is based around a discussion of polyhedra, specifically the Euler Characteristic. *From which I learn: 'The MAA has included this book on a list of books that they consider to be "essential for undergraduate mathematics libraries"'
@goldentortoisebeetle9741
@goldentortoisebeetle9741 Жыл бұрын
I wasn’t looking for this comment but I’m glad i’ve found it. Ty.
@rajeshdas8956
@rajeshdas8956 Жыл бұрын
This reminded me of cyclohexane. Used to image how it can have various shapes (conformations).
@kempshott
@kempshott Жыл бұрын
cis and trans, but those words have taken on a somewhat different meaning these days.
@entitree.
@entitree. Жыл бұрын
@@kempshott well, they're not words, they're prefixes
@gakulon
@gakulon Жыл бұрын
@@kempshott They took on a different meaning when they were adopted into chemistry as formal terms, too. I don't think the Romans had a significant amount of knowledge on cis and trans isomers
@ainsleybreakenridge
@ainsleybreakenridge Жыл бұрын
@@kempshottthe conformations of cyclohexane would be boat, chair, etc. maybe brush up on your ochem lol
@identiticrisis
@identiticrisis Жыл бұрын
​@@gakulonand yet ultimately, or etymologically, they still mean exactly what they did back then. Understand the general meaning, understand every special meaning
@rassicr
@rassicr Жыл бұрын
How can you be sure the flexing isn't some kind of additive result of all the gaps in the hinges?
@maxthexpfarmer3957
@maxthexpfarmer3957 Жыл бұрын
they proved it mathematically
@nathangamble125
@nathangamble125 Жыл бұрын
Maths.
@zlcoolboy
@zlcoolboy Жыл бұрын
This is another level of nerdiness that I've never seen before. I'm glad you all can geek out over this. I find it interesting though.
@MarkusSchaber
@MarkusSchaber Жыл бұрын
It's good you printed the side with the window. Otherwise, I could have suspected it's just tolerances within the hinges allowing the thing to move.
@garrettwilson4754
@garrettwilson4754 Жыл бұрын
Throwing shade at Matt Parker's card tricks, delightful
@cajuallyponk6035
@cajuallyponk6035 Жыл бұрын
Actually good to keep the infinitesimal flexibility when designing for 3d printing, had the intuition for it but having a name for things is always better for clarity of thought and communication.
@sawyergreaves7543
@sawyergreaves7543 Жыл бұрын
You should look into auxetic structures and or negative poisson ratio materials. It feels a little bit related to this. Basically, instead of a material getting narrower across as you stretch it length wise (like how a rubber band gets thinner as you stretch it) it instead gets wider. It also feels really unnatural but they exist!
@axelwickm
@axelwickm Жыл бұрын
Weird flex but ok.
@Kittycat-mr4im
@Kittycat-mr4im 6 ай бұрын
Your comment was copied and it got more likes
@stuchly1
@stuchly1 Жыл бұрын
Just popping in to get this in my watch history, will watch properly in the evening. I love geometry and this looks really interesting!
@examplewastaken
@examplewastaken Жыл бұрын
You are aware of the "Watch Later" playlist, right? ;)
@tigrafale4610
@tigrafale4610 Жыл бұрын
@@examplewastaken or even just the subscription box
@examplewastaken
@examplewastaken Жыл бұрын
@@tigrafale4610 now imagine even using it 😲😂
@mr_ekshun
@mr_ekshun Жыл бұрын
@@tigrafale4610 (regarding this, I have several hundred subscribed channels now so it's actually even less useful than even just the homepage for finding what I want. Imo, situationally useful if you don't have a lot of subscribed channels.)
@ivanmirandawastaken
@ivanmirandawastaken Жыл бұрын
This was definitely quite a head scratcher indeed. Flexible polyhedron 3D printed house when?
@Barteks2x
@Barteks2x Жыл бұрын
This immediately made me wonder whether we could synthesize organic compounds with such structure and whether they would have aby unusual properties
@Greg-yu4ij
@Greg-yu4ij Жыл бұрын
I can’t help but watch your videos every time one pops up. It’s just too intellectually stimulating. It’s like brain candy.
@jonbob2
@jonbob2 Жыл бұрын
We had those exact same plastic shapes in primary school. Thanks for digging up a nice memory Steve!
@cheeseburgermonkey7104
@cheeseburgermonkey7104 Жыл бұрын
I want to get my hands on these, do you know what they're called?
@petermichaelgreen
@petermichaelgreen Жыл бұрын
@@cheeseburgermonkey7104 IIRC polydon was/is the original though there are certainly other brands.
@ielmosTTR
@ielmosTTR Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, the test for a structure to be not infinitesimally flexible (isostatic or iperstatic) is at the base of all structural mechanics jobs
@delecti
@delecti Жыл бұрын
It seems like you'd get much more wobble if the single removed face had more sides. I think you're probably right that the degrees of freedom are limited for squares or triangles. If you instead imagine two regular octahedrons as the ends of something like a prisim, but with the sides replaced triangles (like the "ring" around the middle of a regular icosohedron), then it would likely be pretty wobbly with just one face removed.
@flameofthephoenix8395
@flameofthephoenix8395 11 ай бұрын
Indeed, that would give more wobble and moreover ease of flexing, by making more sides you are decreasing the length of each side meaning that you are also decreasing the length you'd have to flex in order to get back to a stable position.
@PedroSantos-fw6gk
@PedroSantos-fw6gk Жыл бұрын
Your videos are so good in so many dimensions
@matthewstone7367
@matthewstone7367 Жыл бұрын
This is a great video. Thank you for making it!
@BjarneSvanberg
@BjarneSvanberg Жыл бұрын
When making a polyhedron flexible, you have to count the number of edges, not faces, to remove. Removing one face of a polyhedron does not change the number of edges, nor their connections, so it is actually still the same shape. That is why you observe that at least two faces has to be removed to make the shape flexible.
@EebstertheGreat
@EebstertheGreat Жыл бұрын
If you remove the base of a square pyramid, it becomes flexible. So that's a counterexample to your claim. The point is that the faces remain congruent through the whole flex, but the angles between faces change. So the removed square base can be flexed into any rhombus with that same side length.
@BjarneSvanberg
@BjarneSvanberg Жыл бұрын
Oh I guess you are right. That would probably also be the case for some polyhedrons where the faces are not a triangle.
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 Жыл бұрын
What are those toys called?
@ant0ngu
@ant0ngu 17 күн бұрын
Shapes
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 17 күн бұрын
@ant0ngu You don't know either?
@ant0ngu
@ant0ngu 17 күн бұрын
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 yes
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 17 күн бұрын
@@ant0ngu What's the brand name?
@TreeLuvBurdpu
@TreeLuvBurdpu Жыл бұрын
Where the heck are the 3d models for those toys? I need them immediately for my granddaughters. Going to follow the channel you mentioned.
@jozimastar95
@jozimastar95 Жыл бұрын
The shape in geometry test :
@shannonmcstormy5021
@shannonmcstormy5021 Жыл бұрын
I Love this channel. I also love robust "Description" sections on KZbin as it allows the user to find specific content, follow suggested links to other content we might like, etc. But I have one SUGGESTION: When propagating the Description section, if this is possible, put an additional "Show Less" right next the "More" on top (as well as the one at the bottom). This would allow someone to collapse it without having to scroll all the way to the bottom to do so. (I have no idea if this is possible.) .
@DivineCerinian
@DivineCerinian Жыл бұрын
That's a suggestion for KZbin
@idlewildwind
@idlewildwind Жыл бұрын
OH MY WORD thank you! I've wondered for years what that rod-and-strings contraption is, ever since I saw it on someone's desk in some movie! I even modelled it in 2D with different colours and transparencies to figure it out! (Then I didn't make one because I have neither woodworking skills nor 3D printer access but ah well.) Now that I know what it's called (Skwish!) I could actually get one. The one in the film had a big sphere in the centre, though, and none of the endcap/sliding balls. I will google this later!
@DanteYewToob
@DanteYewToob Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen it too and was curious… I can’t find one on google, if you have better luck let me know! Edit: I got it… expanded octahedron model. There is also a double expanded which is pretty awesome too!
@jomolisious
@jomolisious Жыл бұрын
I love problems like this. that are extremely simple in asking but complicated in solving, yet the solution is something you can literally hold and not only see but literally feel in your hands. It takes away a lot of the esoteric nature from modern math and gives the feeling we’re still continuing the work of ancient mathematicians.
@claudiusraphael9423
@claudiusraphael9423 Жыл бұрын
Looks to me like the perfect wavebreaker, put in chains as bantons in tsunami-endagered coastlines, for example as anchored-chain-boeys as well. Might be a way to divert vibrations as given in shocks of an earthquake, too. In any case, thx for sharing!
@elijah_9392
@elijah_9392 Жыл бұрын
Discrete Math and Geometry are fascinating.
@D.E.P.-J.
@D.E.P.-J. Жыл бұрын
I don't know, but did Euler only consider convex polyhedra to be polyhedra? What was the definition of a polyhedron at his time?
@opaltoralien4015
@opaltoralien4015 Жыл бұрын
My brain could not comprehend the movement of the grey, green and blue shape you had printed. For me, it was like if the walls of a house suddenly started shrinking and growing as you flexed it. Logically that is impossible and it is just moving/angling, but I genuinely could not visually comprehend what was going on, I had to take your word for it. I think it is because of how the concave and convex areas are arranged in a very unnatural looking shape I would have never encountered combined with the effects of lighting and plastic colours. The brain is neat like that.
@scotts918
@scotts918 Жыл бұрын
12 seconds in, damn good quality already!
@iseriver3982
@iseriver3982 Жыл бұрын
Someones upgraded their talking to camera set up, very nice.
@silasmarrs1409
@silasmarrs1409 Жыл бұрын
I've never gotten to one of your videos this early before!
@4TheRecord
@4TheRecord 7 ай бұрын
0:14 I used to play with larger versions of these back in school in the late 80s.
@incinerati
@incinerati Жыл бұрын
Are you sure that the flexing is not due to the mechanical backlash?
@MeOnStuff
@MeOnStuff Жыл бұрын
The physical model should be thought of as a demonstration - not a proof. Steffen's Polyhedron has been proven mathematically to be flexible, but obviously you can't built a perfect mathematical shape in the real world.
@natanzis
@natanzis Жыл бұрын
mould conjecture sounding as good as a parker square
@KageSama19
@KageSama19 Жыл бұрын
LMFAO @ the cut to Matt doing bad sleight of hand. That was really good 😂
@jb76489
@jb76489 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how much the manufacturing tolerances play into this
@evildemonllama
@evildemonllama Жыл бұрын
I’m a first grade teacher and I have polydrons in my classroom for exploration, play and 3D math skills! I can’t wait to explore them more with my students!
@ViliamF.
@ViliamF. Жыл бұрын
Yay, Matt easter-egg!
@Bolpat
@Bolpat Жыл бұрын
I have read something about flexible polyhedra, and I wondered, why in seemingly all of Wikipedia, they can’t show me a single flexible one. And now I’m angry, because the simplest ones aren’t even complicated. Thank you.
@asiburger
@asiburger Жыл бұрын
Does it flex, because of material flex though, or is it genuinely moveable, JUST at the hinges?
@Errenium
@Errenium Жыл бұрын
it works even if all faces are perfectly rigid.
@sorgan7136
@sorgan7136 Жыл бұрын
Where is the tensegrity structure video in the description?
@Dana__black
@Dana__black Жыл бұрын
I guess Euler wasn’t so smart after all
@tedtieken3592
@tedtieken3592 8 ай бұрын
If he was so smart, why aren’t more things named after him? QED.
@rangerrick5660
@rangerrick5660 7 ай бұрын
What a poser
@Dana__black
@Dana__black 2 ай бұрын
@orangegummugger1871 oh okay, so kind of like I’m 1000 times smart than you? Got it 😃
@Dana__black
@Dana__black 2 ай бұрын
@orangegummugger1871 I just did say that lil bud. Thinking isn’t a strength of yours is it?
@newbie4789
@newbie4789 Ай бұрын
Na he was. I just watched the newest Veritasium videos
@NickRenwick
@NickRenwick Жыл бұрын
Always learn something here. Thanks.
@Bob78
@Bob78 11 ай бұрын
Weird flex, but ok.
@williamroe8905
@williamroe8905 7 ай бұрын
Lol
@shoty_x1693
@shoty_x1693 7 ай бұрын
Legendary comment
@normalgraham
@normalgraham 7 ай бұрын
😂
@Nick-the-fox
@Nick-the-fox 7 ай бұрын
Badum tss
@Kittycat-mr4im
@Kittycat-mr4im 6 ай бұрын
This comment is copied
@psbretones
@psbretones 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for existing, Steve Mould
@questmarq7901
@questmarq7901 Жыл бұрын
Remember that videogames use Triangles. So this geometry could revolutionize physics simulation in videogames down the line
@jenniferdunstan5065
@jenniferdunstan5065 Жыл бұрын
oooh yeah
@martinstent5339
@martinstent5339 Жыл бұрын
I have a long time relationship with this plastic toy. I get it out sometimes and just make interesting solids, like stellated and truncated platonic solids. They are just so nice to hold in your hand and contemplate. Also straight prisms and "screwthread" prisms and their chiral partners. You can spend (waste) hundreds of hours just enjoying making nice shapes!
@SephJoe
@SephJoe Жыл бұрын
Do you remember what they are called or if you can still buy them? I have been looking for them / trying to remember what they were called for years now. I used to play with them as a kid in elementary school.
@martinstent5339
@martinstent5339 Жыл бұрын
@@SephJoe I'm very sorry, but the original cardboard box disintegrated decades ago, and we just keep them in an old bucket now. I tried to find them with an internet search and failed. There are lots of kits with magnets but I couldn't find the old type which click together like in this video. If you do find a seller, I would be interested in buying some more just to make even bigger shapes!
@jonathancullis9155
@jonathancullis9155 Жыл бұрын
@@SephJoe Polydron
@35milesoflead
@35milesoflead Жыл бұрын
Hi Steve. You had me at "this is a valley fold, this is a mountain fold." Some of this can be proven via origami. There's an American origami artist called Steve Biddle who made a rotating tetrahedron. I have a book with the fold pattern in it.
@DeuxisWasTaken
@DeuxisWasTaken Жыл бұрын
Thanks for recommending Ivan, I follow a bunch of similar channels but had no idea about him.
@vijaykrishnan7797
@vijaykrishnan7797 Жыл бұрын
4:18 😂
@zleipnirgoh5972
@zleipnirgoh5972 Жыл бұрын
i used to have that plastic puzzle pieces when more than 30yrs ago!
@menemali163
@menemali163 Жыл бұрын
Wow I've never been so early
@trumanhanks1818
@trumanhanks1818 Жыл бұрын
I must say, that additional filming by Nicole was magnificent.
@oowo9323
@oowo9323 Жыл бұрын
sprite
@azlastor
@azlastor Жыл бұрын
I remember being in school learning physics, free body diagrams and stuff like that. (Pulleys, strings, weights, etc). In this context, I remember struggling so much with a "made up" exercise of mine, imagine 2 bodies joined by a string, and then another string joined at the middle of this string pulling perpendicularly... Pretty much what you explained about the colinear hinge... In the constraints of idealized freebody diagrams this just wouldn't move, which is obviously not what happens in the real world... And 13 y/o me struggled for a while until I realized that in the real world the strings would stretch slightly, therefore you'd have a small component of the force actually pulling the bodies together... It was an important formative moment for me I think... realizing that the ideal models and simplyfications made while you are being taught should not be forgotten about and in the future should be referred to if something didn't make intuitive sense... Like it made clear to me some limitations of how we are taught... Haha, that was cool... it's always cool finding out about the more formal explanations for stuff like this and to remember that pretty much always someone thought our same same thoughts a long time ago and went way more in depth and actually formalized them...
@Aemirys
@Aemirys Жыл бұрын
So psyched to have discovered your channel!
@syjj001
@syjj001 Жыл бұрын
Rest of the World: Oh look! Might be a room temp/pressure supraconductor. Steeve: How weird are these solids you ask? 😂
@louisvictor3473
@louisvictor3473 Жыл бұрын
I think you can easily make as many degress of freedom as you want since it doesn't need to be a regular polyhderdon. For simplicity, start with a triangle. Now, divide each edge into 3 parts, and delete the middle one. Rotate one of the edges outwards (could be both, could be inwards, but we keeping it simple), and elongate them a little but less than the original length. Now, reconnected the two dangling vertexes with a segment, making it a polygon again (or a "triangle" with Z ish shaped edges). Now each of these trios have independent degrees of motion as a polygon, you can keep the original vertexes fixed as hinge points. Now, we move to 3D. Just pick an arbitrary height (so 1) above the figure and connect all those vertexes to it, forming a Z faced "tretrahedron". If you remove the original polygon face, you have 3 degrees of freedom. Of course, you can pull this trick with any base polygon, so you can literally have as many degrees of fredom as you'd like depending on what you start with. In fact, you didn't even need to subdivide the middle into just 3 parts, that is just the minimum. You could have subdivided each original edge into 4 or more parts, but all it means is that each sequence of 3 of those are themselves one independent degree of freedom like in the original, so you could achieve infinity degrees of fredom that way too. Except that that is mathematically identical to the original method, so it is literally the same thing just presented differently (in the original, any sequence of 3 new edges forms that Z shaped hinge and is therefore an independent degree of freedom, it doesn't need be confined to the 3 that came from the same original edge, I lied by omission for simplicity).
@Zothaqqua
@Zothaqqua Жыл бұрын
For all those saying it's just imperfection that allows it to flex, please look up en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steffen%27s_polyhedron and its citations. I was also surprised.
@sickregret
@sickregret Жыл бұрын
I don’t understand this but I’m super appreciative this absolute mad lad took the time to tell me about them.
@ryugar2221
@ryugar2221 Жыл бұрын
3:19 Anyone who's made a waterbomb base with origami can feel that...
@Goalsplus
@Goalsplus Жыл бұрын
Of all the closed 3D shapes, the most amazing result comes about when you remove one side of a sphere. It is definitely worth experiencing. And good sponsor. We need more anti "spam" services.
@grammaurai6843
@grammaurai6843 Жыл бұрын
This is so visually stimulating and satisfying ❤
@---..
@---.. Жыл бұрын
Mould Conjecture counterexample: Make a pyramid with a many sided base (for example a regular decagon). Remove the base polygon. The remaining shape should have many degrees of freedom. As the number of sides of the base grows, so do the degrees of freedom of this shape, without limit. For even side counts N on the base, this can be shown by bringing every other vertex together, resulting in a shape with N / 2 flaps which can rotate independently along a axis from the pyramid point the where the free vertexes were brought together. Unless I visualized it wrong, which is quite possible.
@n8hsu255
@n8hsu255 Жыл бұрын
I didn't have this back in 1960s Florida US school, but, it reminds me of a device of folded notebook paper we made. We inserted the index finger and thumb of each hand under flaps numbered 1 to 4. By unpinching finger/thumb pairs alternately it would expose horizontal or vertical valleys. You would ask someone to pick a number then unfold the flap and read the message. We never had a name for it.
@anj000
@anj000 Жыл бұрын
3:19 "this is fun" combined with this dead unemotional voice had me cracking It sounds a bit like it was recorded separately, so I guess this is why I get that feeling.
@HandledToaster2
@HandledToaster2 Жыл бұрын
I can always count on Steve Mould to find interesting toys I never knew I needed.
@honeybee9455
@honeybee9455 Жыл бұрын
If the shape is already flexible in one degree such as the Steffens polyhedron than removing one of its faces should open a new degree of freedom. The thing is when you remove one face of a convex shape it is inherently going to remain rigid as the number of edges is the same. Until you remove one of the edges by taking off a second face you dont have a new degree of freedom.
@PatrickOMara
@PatrickOMara Жыл бұрын
I love how @stevemould look and vibe is that he just physically finished wrestling a math problem and won.
@jinghengchia2201
@jinghengchia2201 Жыл бұрын
Love the Parker Square sleight of hand insert in this
@zbarba
@zbarba Жыл бұрын
I love the chain fountain standing in the background like a trophy
@sonicwaveinfinitymiddwelle8555
@sonicwaveinfinitymiddwelle8555 Жыл бұрын
I never thought that was impossible. I never knew it existed and I believe it does now.
@moriak123
@moriak123 Жыл бұрын
I remember that I made this or of cardboard when I was teenager, almost 40 years ago, based on one article in polish mathematical magazine "Mała Delta" (Little Delta). That was fun.
@anonymousstacker2044
@anonymousstacker2044 Жыл бұрын
Whenever I've had an overdose of random YT shorts, I return to this channel to regain some brain cells.
@galeem713
@galeem713 Жыл бұрын
Amazing. I wish I had a teacher like you in school.
@Joey_ott
@Joey_ott Жыл бұрын
matt parker cameo pulling the parker trick, enlightening
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