STIHL MS400i vs. ECHO CS620P vs. HUSQVARNA 562XP MARK II

[@oldguyfirewood]

I’m a diehard Husqvarna guy. I own 7 with the oldest one being 46 years old. Having said that, when someone asks me what saw they should buy to start a firewood business I tell them Echo 590 or 620. For the money you can’t beat the price, quality, and warranty.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup, that is very good advice! Thanks!

[@DoyleShadduck]

The warranty is a moot point since it’s being used commercially ( firewood business). It’s only 1 year commercial vs 5 years residentially used. That’s a massive difference.

[@traxxasrcfun]

Those echo 590’s are tanks. We are also husky here at the shop but we picked up a used 590 that a buddy was selling and honestly we love it. We accidentally ran it over with the skidder, all it did was break the handle and crack the pull start cover. Saw still worked great but we replaced the handle, which was also super cheap. It’s been an excellent saw and it oils actually better than most of our husky’s

[@traxxasrcfun]

@@DoyleShadduckunless they are a full blown legit firewood business I doubt it would matter. A good dealer would cover it. Husky’s warranty is only 2 years commercial so half the price, half the warranty for echo

[@carl8568]

What if the Echo and Husky are roughly the same price? Here in Australia the Echo 621s are $1700-1800, Husky 562xp mkii is $1620 on special, full retail $1770. I have a Shindaiwa saw and brushcutter so I trust the Echo gear but not sure if it's worth jumping ship.

[@HighC82]

I bought the Stihl 400 about 18 months ago and have been super happy with it using it to fell a few trees on the property and 5+ cords of firewood yearly. My neighbor has the Echo 590 and it feels very similar. Still haven't tried out a husky. The dealer network is what drove my decision.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Great to hear!

[@andrejutras]

There will always be pros and cons to each saw brand; it depends on what you are using the saws for and what kind of wood you will primarily cut. Both Husqvarna and Stihl are the most common and have a larger market, but Echo can still hold its own--especially if cost is important. One thing that is very important when looking for a saw(s), is to find out which brand has an authorized reseller and service center in your area--this is an absolutely key factor. For myself, doing firewood up here in central British Columbia, I do it all (felling, limbing, bucking) with my Echo CS-600P and CS-620P. I've also been brushing using my friend's Husky 55 (great saw) for a week clearing 15 hectares of birch, cottonwood, and aspen; this is my first time using a Husky. On the echos, I run a 24" and 27" bar with Oregon Powercut chains--the other key factor with any saw is to make sure the chain is "Sharp"!

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup, a good dealer with good service is key!

[@WilleysFirewood]

Warranty on the echo is the reason to buy along with the price. I love mine.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Good reasons!

[@richardsneddon2976]

I have used echo saws now for 5 years 501p the longest now 620 , 7310 and a 4310sx . Absolutely no complaints whatsoever great saws 501p is one of if not the best 50cc saw ever made . I also have a 500i stihl and well nothing touches that . That is the best saw you can buy

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup, all good saws!

[@johngardner3020]

@@richardsneddon2976 the 4310 is not available here. How does it compare to the 501p?

[@richardsneddon2976]

@@johngardner3020 I prefer the 501 saws . The 501 has better power and torque and the 4310 is like the difference between the 501 and the 621 .. I do use the 4310 a lot as well the gaps in power and all but my favourite is the 501 even over the 621 or the 7310 ... I just really like the 501

[@traxxasrcfun]

Little echo life hack, the 4910 which is actually discontinued now, is almost identical to the 501p and is quite a bit cheaper. The only major differences are the handle is plastic instead of metal, and the piece of the grip by the throttle trigger is plastic instead of rubber. They have the same engine/chassis, same carburetor, clutch, etc. same parts numbers. Best bang for your buck in the 50cc market. I just picked mine up yesterday with a 18’ bar for 380 bucks. Some dealers still have leftovers. If they do, snag them. Basically a professional grade saw for 380 dollars, insane

[@traxxasrcfun]

Little echo life hack, the 4910 which is actually discontinued now, is almost identical to the 501p and is quite a bit cheaper. The only major differences are the handle is plastic instead of metal, and the piece of the grip by the throttle trigger is plastic instead of rubber. They have the same engine/chassis, same carburetor, clutch, etc. same parts numbers. Best bang for your buck in the 50cc market. I just picked mine up yesterday with a 18’ bar for 380 bucks. Some dealers still have leftovers. If they do, snag them. Basically a professional grade saw for 380 dollars, insane. I should make it clear, the 4920 is not the same, that’s a crappy clamshell saw. They got rid of the 4910 because it was too good of a deal

[@traxxasrcfun]

I always thought of echo as a homeowner, junk brand. However they have definitely been kicking it up a notch recently and trying to bring their name back. Both the weedwackers and saws. Great quality, great warranties at an amazing price. If they keep it going I will definitely be buying more echo saws and less husky’s in the future. We have a cs590 and as of yesterday a cs4910

[@InTheWoodyard]

The pro saws are great!

[@jameschandler2776]

Echo bought Shindaiwa a few years ago. The Shindaiwa is my second favorite saw after the Jonsered 910. My Shidaiwa 375 would cut way above its class and was bullet proof. I have 2, 590's now and they are cutters.

[@carl8568]

I bought a 30.5cc Shindaiwa brushcutter. Echo sells the same machine with their name on it, awesome unit and with the U handles and a circular saw blade you can tear down bush like nothing with this thing.

[@rewardlawnmaintenance]

Echo / shindaiwa leaf blowers are also absolutely amazing. I just got a shindawia 600 back from being ported and had a new high jet put in it. Sounds amazing yet to cut with it

[@noelstractors-firewood57]

Good one. Like this videos. The wood I took out of my wood pile bin, the locust was 26% moisture. White birch at 20%. Maple, not sure if hard or soft type, between 30 % to 36%. All been in the bin since last September. No mould. Test all fresh splits. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@InTheWoodyard]

Nice! thanks!

[@AdamB12]

Bought an MS362 recently. And holy hell, what a saw. Eats through all kinds of big oak like its softwood. The m-tronic system is cool, pending it doesn't break

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup, that is a nice saw ...now you should try a 500 or a 661 and THEY will blow your mind!

[@derekdietz4198]

Just keep the air and fuel filters clean and depending on how much you use the saw replace the fuel sylanoid once and a while and it will be great. I have a ms26C-M and it's been problem free.

[@derekdietz4198]

261C-M

[@derekdietz4198]

I thought I had me a 500I from a guy that buys storage units but he sold it before I could get to him. He had a lightly used ms461 full wrap handle for a great price so I got it. Not a 500 but a step closer lol.

[@AdamB12]

@derekdietz4198 it's still 74cc(?) of fury tho. I saw some used 460s/461s on Facebook that I was tempted to buy

[@TittleCreekOutdoors]

I ordered a Husqvarna 460 rancher, it delivers today. Can't wait to try it. I've been using a little poulan pro 42cc. It struggles with some of the bigger stuff I've cut but it's done 4 cords worth of cutting so far.

[@waynetharp]

@@TittleCreekOutdoors Congrats! Is your new 460 coming with a 20" or 24" bar? I have seen them sold both ways. The 20" is better all around for that saw, IMO.

[@TittleCreekOutdoors]

@@waynetharp it's supposed to be the 24". I've read about how much better it performs running the 20". I'll probably end up getting a 20" to have as a backup.

[@waynetharp]

@noahtittle1233 Yep...They will pull a 24" but the chain needs to really sharp and let the saw do the work. You will really like it with the 20"!👍 Do you have something ready to cut when it arrives today?

[@TittleCreekOutdoors]

@@waynetharp yeah I figure I'll need to baby it a little bit but I've got a red oak trunk that needs cutting up and my little 18" poulan ain't going to cut it.

[@waynetharp]

@noahtittle1233 I like to slowly break a new saw with heat cycles myself also. Especially those first couple tanks. Give them extra long warm-up times and try not to hold the throttle in the same position more than a few seconds at a time. Doesn't matter if it is half, 3 quarters, or full throttle. I just don't hold it there very long. Lots of throttle feathering and good long cool downs between tanks. Yet, I see guys run em hard brand new with the either it runs or blows up during warranty mentality and get along just fine. But they don't keep them long enough to know if break in helps. Every saw I am currently running is well over 10 years old,seldom go more than a few days year round without running, and have never needed to be rebuilt!👍 Good luck with your new saw, and I hope you have many years of work from it!

[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

" Yes, yes, and yes!" To each of those 3 saws!💪

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yes!

[@tombasten5967]

That Echo sure looks good with that full wrap handle.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup, very nice saw!!!

[@jasonscottsgreatoutdoors429]

I have a 620 PW with an iron horse on it, and a 360 pro with a barkbox.Dont know which one I enjoy more for a Midwest firewood saw, both are a dream to run! I would say the echo probably has slightly more torque. I go back and forth between a 24” full house, and a 28” full skip on the echo. The 360 I run a 20” only on, and they’re both a ton of fun Also, that echo is running a little rich, with a refined tune and 10 tanks through it, it would keep up really well, even stock

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup, nice saws!

[@kbittorf335]

Nice! I had the opportunity to use a 592xp with only a 24“ bar at a dealership and I must say for it‘s size it handles very well. I am sure a longer bar could change that dynamic. Enjoyed the video👍

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks!

[@simplelifewithrobertpusate294]

That 400c looks good in your hands Chris! That’s what I have. Absolutely love it.

[@InTheWoodyard]

It is a nice saw!

[@atvcampingadventures1728]

Here in Australia we have the echo 621 sx it’s priced at $ 1,849 AU , which is a reduced emissions version I’m not sure if you guys get that model. The Husqvarna 562 xp is $ 1,769 AU , that’s for the mk 1 as we don’t have the mk 2 yet . The stihl ms 400 is $ 1,999 AU my pick nothing against the others at all . Where I live we have stihl and Husqvarna dealers very close ,they are very good to deal with as for echo there is no dealers in my area and not many in the country compared to the other guys they just can’t compete with them but they are a bloody great saw. So thought I would throw some useless information out there 😂 Cheers mate great vid 👍👍👍

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks for the info...you pay a lot more there for sure!

[@atvcampingadventures1728]

@@InTheWoodyard we sure do mate and there getting more expensive every year it’s unreal and the battery saws as well .

[@jameschandler2776]

My Echo 501P wqs $450 US and the 590 was $400.

[@carl8568]

​@@atvcampingadventures1728 I can see from my searches the Husky 562xp mkii is available here in Aus. $1620 @ Abormaster, so cheaper than the Echo 🤔

[@zeromark202]

I have and run all the 3 🍊 brands. Stihl: 201t, 170, 461, 660 Husky: 460, 545, 372, 572 Echo: 355t, 4910, 590, 620 But for the price everyone should have an Echo CS-590/620 in their saw lineup, best bang for the buck saw ever

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup, they all make good stuff but the Echo is priced nice!

[@carl8568]

​​@@InTheWoodyard Here in Australia the Husky 562xp is actually cheaper than the Echo 621 🤔

[@zeromark202]

WHAT SAW IS GOING TO MAKE ME THE MOST MONEY? Should be the answer! Any tree service/firewood/logger guy that needs under 28”/70cc buy the Echo CS620! It’s a no brainer, I have 10yrs shop experience with Husky/Stihl/Echo saws. This is about production, business, downtime, and part replacement costs. 1sec doesn’t matter if the saw won’t hold up and still make you money after the warranty ends. CS620 is comparable to a 365/372 non x-torq, the ms400 & 562xp are electronic strato saws.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Awesome...thanks for the info!!!

[@zeromark202]

Love 5xx series Husky’s, but from a rough life of firewood. I have made the most money from a used Speedco/Huskee flathead Briggs splitter & Echo CS590 Timberwolf. Those 2 pieces of equipment have had the lowest operating cost.

[@jessejones9830]

Great vid,i like these guys content too,how many videos do you got coming with them? If you dont mind,thanks Chris

[@InTheWoodyard]

They did a couple while they where here.

[@jessejones9830]

Ok thanks

[@rewardlawnmaintenance]

What is a good brand helmet with built in ear protection

[@InTheWoodyard]

Protos

[@GPOutdoors]

I think I need to try a Huskie at some point. I love my STIHLS but smooth sounds good...Cheers Chris!

[@InTheWoodyard]

You should!

[@EdKeen-sr5xs]

Work tested is the best😊

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yes it is!

[@johngardner3020]

Its interesting to hear you guys report the husqvarna being easier on the hands. Their published handle vibration values seem worse than stihl on most models but we its true, we dont cut trees with sales brochures.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Good point...

[@sprint2648]

Husky has always had a better anti vibe than stihl

[@robinverbridge4900]

Of course some things are conspicuous in their absence! How much does a Makita 6100 cost? No how much?

[@InTheWoodyard]

I don't know look it up???

[@briannelson4493]

Ahhhh man glitter in the morning, nice line up of cutters Chris and saws. Keep on cutting now that the monsoons have slowed

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup...saw fun!

[@KarlPoorbaugh]

All good saws. You underestimate the Stihls unfair advantage. It has almost 10% more CCs, the Bark Box is a modded muffler. One of the most common performance Mods. That 562 needs a mod on the muffler, its biggest weakness is heat.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup, they all work...not a fan of more noise...just sayin'!

[@robertblacksmith4355]

I like saws & trucks that work doesn't matter who made them just get the job done!

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup, working is what matters!

[@MillersStumpsandFirewood712]

Firewood Icons..Great video.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks 👍

[@danelionheart5881]

I have used many different saw's and I use to say the same thing if they cut good then it's a good saw. But as time moves on you start thinking differently. A really good Chain is what helps make the saw so good but no matter what saw you are running you start adding how many times that saw breaks down and the cost of the saw to have it fixed or to get the part for that saw. I had a new cheap saw I wanted to play with and a guy I knew that was about 58 years old needed help with his wood. We started together and he was running a STIHL. I with a cheap Wal-Mart saw was out cutting him and his STIHL was cutting poorly. Then it happen it broke. He took it in to the STIHL dealer to get the part and yes the part that broke was made out of plastic. Now I say the saw is only good as long as it is running and the chain is sharp lmao. I have worked with guys that assumed they knew more about cutting then I did and they would not take my advice after all they know more then I do. I told them many times not to lay down to much pressure let the saw do the work but they seem to think the more they put their weight in to the saw the faster it will cut.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup, a sharp chain is usually the big game changer for most saws a s far as how well they cut.

[@danelionheart5881]

@@InTheWoodyard You know the best chain is a chain that never goes dull but they will never sell that because they would never make any money lmao.

[@daveyboy6985]

@@danelionheart5881 the big game changer for people is when they can sharpen a chain and know how to do it well. Unfortunately it takes consistent sharpening all the time to get really good at it, especially free hand.

[@daveyboy6985]

@@danelionheart5881 the real game changer for chainsaw users is to be able to freehand sharpen with a hand file and do it well. Of course this takes quite a while to perfect with consistent practice.

[@johnsandell4501]

Great comparison episode 👍👍👍

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks

[@davidedwards3734]

A sharp chain will help any saw!! I like my 400c, but when I switched to my MS261 yesterday, i realized that someone forgot to sharpen the chain!!! Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day

[@InTheWoodyard]

Great point!

[@rickthelian2215]

A good test, did the boys get a special in the Woodyard mento?😊

[@InTheWoodyard]

They did well and yes!

[@shotlifffamilyfirewood]

I was thinking a 562mk 2 but talking to adam at the frenzy im seriously considering the echo. This video is very helpful

[@InTheWoodyard]

Both nice saws!

[@jameschandler2776]

I am an Echo guy, I used to be a Husky guy but they DO NOT take care of their customers. We have a good Stihl dealer, but I think they are too expensive, but the Stihl looked like it was cutting faster. I was looking for an Echo 7301 but I may have to reconsider the Stihl You must have the same John Deere dealer's we have in Ohio., Ag-Pro. They absolutely suck. I had my equipment serviced and we I got it back. it had no fluids in it and my bumper pins were missing. They wouldn't make it right. I had to drive 20 miles to the dealer, get the fluids and put them in myself after paying them $500 to do it.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Good service is hard to find!

[@traxxasrcfun]

Stihl has 5cc’s and a pipe on that echo remember. A 7301 should rip pretty good

[@christopherlehman4045]

Bark box isn’t a pipe but does increase the power some but way more noise also

[@ChampionFirewoodManitoba]

I have Husqvarna, Stihl, Poulan, Champion and Homelite. I use them all for different situations. It's easy to get your money's worth out of any machine

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup, just take care of them!

[@larryvankirk7423]

Nice video Chris & all. As for the saws, pick your poison-they all were cutting great. GNI

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks 👍

[@coreyriley7160]

G’morning Chris ! Awesome episode of cutting ! Chainsaws are like children, there is a favorite, but you mustn’t ever say which one ! Thanks. GoodNightIrene

[@InTheWoodyard]

Ha!!!!! Thanks!

[@toddpacheco4748]

Chris,looked like 👍 everyone was having a cutting good time excellent work and video 😮😊❤

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks 👍

[@aldredske6197]

Good morning Chris!!😀😀

[@InTheWoodyard]

Morning Al!

[@grantsinclair4278]

Well the Stihl stole the day but I am stihl a Husky fan. If I was really tight on money though,the Echo would be a real stihl.

[@InTheWoodyard]

All 3 where nice to use!

[@PhillipDrumz]

What brand is that helmet? Good video - appreciate you guys

[@BertsCustomCuts]

Protos

[@kbittorf335]

By Pfanner vom Österreich.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Protos/Pfanner

[@DanielAtkinsFirewood]

Depending on your needs, i don't think you could go wrong with either one..

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup!

[@popogejo7245]

For this little tiny wood a 562 is wayyy overkill, that 562 can pull twice that much chain with ease. Lugging that big power head with a little short bar has to be hard on yur back! And that's the first time I've ever heard an echo start up and run. So there is truth to the rumor you really can get one to run. Looks to me like a Husky knock off. And you've got to remember; you get what ya pay for.

[@InTheWoodyard]

They all cut.

[@popogejo7245]

@InTheWoodyard but, for how long? :)

[@samh803]

Not too many options for saw brands. I run a Stihl ms400 almost daily and I like it, but a Dolmar 7900 was cheaper and walks all over it. I can run a 7900 all day. I'm worried that decent power equipment will be out of the price range for most guys soon

[@InTheWoodyard]

I disagree, saw prices are not high when you consider that the bigger better pro saws cut more wood faster and make you more money or just save time....time is more valuable, I can make more money...time...not so much.

[@edhodge1000]

I think with a muffler mod you’ll see the 562 mk2 is the best imho.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Maybe so!

[@roncaron-l1r]

Thy all good saw love them ( Ty Ron

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks RON!

[@michaelmullins1290]

A wood cutting-orama. That's a good way to get some wood cut. Open invite to the woodyard! Lol

[@InTheWoodyard]

yup!

[@batmantiss]

400i or c?

[@InTheWoodyard]

I think it was a 400i

[@iffykidmn8170]

Good video and lots of good info they stacked up about how I would imagine, couple of emails sent your way.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks!

[@IndianaDoug]

Good one👍🏻

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks ✌️

[@BGWenterprises]

One thing I'll add is. You do even basic modifications to a saw. Like making better air flow through the muffler, thats enuf of a change to void your warranty. Removeing base gasket also will void warranty as the jump in compression is rather obvious. Based on law, you modify a product. You become the end manufacturer of it, and are responsible for the product. Dosen't matter if it a genuine product or a gray knock-off.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks for the info...good to know!

[@bentwedgestanleybrand5818]

Good morning everyone

[@InTheWoodyard]

Hello Sir Stanley!

[@axesandthings483]

Dollar for dollar its hard to beat echo. Husky 562xp - 849.99 Stihl 400c - 1049.99 Echo 620 - 649.99 I've run all of these and the 562xp will out cut the other two, but not by enough to make any difference. (Maybe not the 400c if it has a bark box.) The 620 is a super deal, and the Stihl is nice but spendy.

[@InTheWoodyard]

Yup, good observations!

[@bekaerttrio2231]

👍👍👍

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks!!!

[@daveyboy6985]

So this Stihl is basically a 70cc( 67cc) saw, while the other 2 are 60 cc saws... No wonder it's gruntier.

[@InTheWoodyard]

yup...all nice saws.

[@sprint2648]

Stihl 362 is the 562 equivalent

[@JesseLJohnson]

Dealers matter. Around here Stihl dealers are everywhere. There is probably 4-1 Stihl to Husqvarna dealers at least that are close by. The one main Husqvarna dealer that is fairly close the owner is an asshole. I haven't felt to welcome in there before but I was in the area and they had the sales going I was going to buy a 550xp mark II and passed. Wouldn't pay any attention to me. I know there was supposed to be a sale but everything had the full MSRP on it and he wouldn't pay any attention to me so the hell with it. We do have some other places that sell both but those are pretty much big box stores but they sell the pro stuff too its not like Lowes or something where its only homeowner stuff they sell it all. The one store has basically anything Stihl you could ever want not as much Husqvarna but they have that too just its a big box store so if you need service or parts you really need to go to a dealer. Not sure if there is any Echo dealers here sure there probably is. I think actually one ATV dealer sells them. They have basically everything from trailers, to mowers, tractors, ATVs, jet skis whatever but I know they sold Stihl forever think recently they might have got Echo as well. There is at least one RedMax dealer here too but they are mostly known for their mowers but all they are really is a red Husqvarna. I have one can't think of what the model is but its basically a rear handle version of a top handle saw. Not sure if anybody around here sells the Makita/Dolmar stuff either. I have some Makitas but I didn't get them from a local dealer. I know there is some other brands as well that aren't very common.

[@InTheWoodyard]

yup, a good dealer is important!

[@joehendrickson5]

Bark box gives up to 10% more power(cc n torque) n 11% cooler

[@InTheWoodyard]

Nice! Thanks!

[@joehendrickson5]

@@InTheWoodyard welcome

[@batmantiss]

I think that's a stretch...

[@jackpinesavageadventures3142]

👏👍🏻👏

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks!

[@waynetharp]

All those saws and still wood to be cut!! Get to work!😃

[@InTheWoodyard]

That's the plan! Thanks Boss!

[@RS-sl5ko]

There may be a little bit of Tom Sawyer in you. Getting other people to do your work under the guise of having fun!

[@InTheWoodyard]

Ha!

[@GregPrince-io1cb]

Good Morning Woodhounds!(-:

[@InTheWoodyard]

Hello!

[@thefirewooddoctor]

On today's episode of "The Non-denominational Church of the Holy Order of Chainsaws"...

[@InTheWoodyard]

Thanks, that is a good one! Haaaaa!

[@patrickpoulard24]

As usual, STIHL RUNS THE YARD and always will. It's good to be the King. 👑👑👑👑👑😊👍🏿 #stihlpower #stihlisyourdaddy #stihlrunstheyard

[@InTheWoodyard]

Stihl does not run my yard , I do.

[@patrickpoulard24]

@@InTheWoodyard No sir, Correct. STIHL RUNS EVERY YARD, including yours. That's just the way it is. 🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤔 #stihlpower #stihlisyourdaddy #stihlrunstheyard

[@MartinStockel]

From my observation of the saws the "Stihl" will be cutting after the "Echoes" are long gone.

[@InTheWoodyard]

I would not say that, echos are great saws and a lot of people have ran them for a long time so...you never know!

[@saltymofo5870]

Absolutely right man, the stihl will be cutting while the others will be going through their 2nd rebuild

[@babbuzzifirewood]

@@InTheWoodyard I agree with you Chris, japanese engine seem to last longer even though I'd rather have a more powerful one like stihl (or husky) and be more comfotable too. I have stihl and echo but for me stihl has something more, also in europe we don't have that big difference in price between them.