Stihl - Stock ms461 vs. Psycho-ized 038

3/18/18
We are at the "big kid" wood lot for this interesting saw-off. The 038 is in excellent condition physically and pristine internally.
I initially built the 038 pretty radical with the psycho zipkit in the hopes that it "wood" hold it's own against an insane-o 044/440.
Considering that the air flow characteristics are far superior in the 064 and later models. And, the fact that it pulls harder than a stock 461 that comes in with at least a 1 more hp rating. I have no way of being exact on the timed runs since the cuts are not are not all the way off, given. However, in this video we see the 038 running about the same while dealing with more of the large knot - which says it all.
This 038 could possibly be ready for a new home.
I am currently available for custom saw modifications and port work. If you are interested, please shoot me an email.
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Thanks for watching.

[@Chucky-b7v]

Man that 038 really went so well, love it 👍🏼…. Great video mate…

[@pentecost66]

Just love those Stihl saw's from the 80's

[@jasonsams4258]

pentecost66 I've got an old 034 from west Germany. Love it.

[@theaxeman4429]

038 Sounds S W E E E E T ! ! ! 😍😋😎

[@speedandmarine9066]

Pretty mean 038! Amazing to see one that clean these days. It's also neat to see the difference in technology/generation side by side.

[@ralphfrench2924]

Great video 👍🏼

[@eurokid83]

I have two 038 mags. One set up west coast style with a 28” lightweight bar the other is stock configuration with 20” bar full comp chain and 8 tooth rim sprocket. I’ve done what I can as far as “bolt on” type improvements go and they run very well. What I mean by that is I’m running triple port mufflers on both (came with dual port) and the screen type air filters in a attempt to get as much airflow as possible. No porting yet, next modification will be increasing ignition timing. I feel like Stihl went a little conservative on these saws.

[@qdogbenson3112]

Bout to buy a MS461. Look at a lot of your content. Thank you. Just wanted to say I feel for you. I don't do social media, but some of your commenters leave some really ignorant, rude comments. Keep up the great work.

[@davidberrier5894]

I have really old 041 bought new in late 70s. And I bought a 461 couple years ago. Both great saws. The old 041 still runsgreat

[@fuddrucker74]

Man... my dad has an 038 magnum from the early to mid 80's. I'd love to get that thing a little hotter than stock. It's been a second saw for most of its life, and never abused. It runs and looks great.

[@SixOFord]

We need a falling video with this vintage masterpiece.

[@hotsaws101]

Austin hi. I sold this saw not long after this video was filmed. Maybe someday I get another one and foray into the bush with it. Thanks for watching.

[@theaxeman4429]

Well done mate. Lovely Saw. 👍

[@brianf2580]

Whats the model of the tach you are using in this video?

[@charlesrichardson4032]

O38 is in its happy place

[@yealife2947]

I have an 038 super AV and its my go to saw. Simple and robust. No digital nonsense

[@aldredske6197]

I would love to own that 038!!😁😁I cut a lot of wood with them back in the mid 80's before the 044's came out. They where great for cutting the hardwoods we have here in Wisconsin. Take care my friend!! 👍👍

[@hansjurgenheinemann246]

Max. Drehzahl 038 Super & Magnum 13500Umin im LEERLAUF!!! Viel Spaß beim nächsten Motorschaden. Bei alten Maschinen bleibt man eh 500-800 Umin drunter also max 12800-13000Umin

[@elizabethtaylor9321]

Used have a 038 magnum back in the 80 s great saw, very economical , wish I’d kept it now ..my big stuff saw is an old 048 , tough old beast ! C Taylor .

[@TimberTramp]

I just hopped a 038 magII & ran it today and man it’s sweet! Pulls really good!

[@mapleridgefarm1026]

Is that 038 15000 rpm stock or psycoized?

[@hotsaws101]

M R F hi. As the title eludes, it is Psy-Ko-ized. Thanks for watching.

[@joehackett9471]

love that 038!

[@nickhunt811]

If u have a chance I'd like to see psycho-ized ms362 vs a bigger stock saw. Thanks if possible.

[@trf0967]

nick hunt I’ve got one of them psycho-ized 362s , it’s the one from the 362ss insane-o vs 362 standard insane-o video, compared to a stock 461 the 362 out runs it no problem I run a 28” on it but tried a 32” and it pulls it better than the 461, the torque is really impressive for that little saw.

[@nickhunt811]

Can u put a unlimited coil on ms362c?

[@anthonypurcell6578]

When you going to do a 441 STHIL

[@appalachianstillhunterll9766]

That's a lot of bar for an 038. It did really well. I have a 038 Super but can't find a cylinder kit for it.

[@Methoddan91]

They're readily available all over the place at many price points, some very sensible... Bought a new one for mine in 2016 and the same ones are still sold now. They tend to be 72cc magnum spec which only requires minimal filing of the mounting bolt holes.

[@johnfogarty4360]

I have a 039 that i my father left me in 2003. I have used it ever since sawing australian dry hardwood for firewood its never let me down. i think the bar I have is around 30 inches. whats the difference between the o38 and 039

[@lagoonrd4173]

GreenScapes LawnCare you said what I was gonna say .... 038 mag is fun ... 461 I go when I don’t wanna mess around

[@chuckmason7930]

The 039 is a clamshell design. The 038 series have a full metal crankcase. The best bar for that 039 is a 50cm

[@setnbronco4932]

bing carb, last time I saw one of those it was on a 81 Maico 490 MX Bike

[@dudleyglass2845]

I have an 042av that I can't get parts for anymore.

[@Chumlee1000]

Where did you get that wrap handle for the 038? I would like one!

[@hotsaws101]

Chumlee 1000 hi. I'd do a web search. Your going to have to be uber patient though. It took me a year to find the set seen here. Although, they were nearing pristine condition. Thanks for watching.

[@SoopaSoka]

Might have a chance to get my hands on an 038 magnum in exchange for my old 034. Gonna have to look real close there has to be a catch lol

[@Whateva67]

What happened?

[@smithtradfallning]

Maybe try some frogskinz to let more air in through the filter cover. Are those pro safety 4 points?

[@hotsaws101]

Kyle hi. I have considered it. The problem is when working in a brush hole, eventually anything exposed is going to get damaged. I had to replace a lot of am air filters on saws because they take a hit and perforate. Carrying a spare was pretty much mandatory in a yarder block. I guess if the application is not to extreme they might stand the time test. No. Thanks for watching.

[@bzbcustoms4520]

I love my 038mag it's a beast just picked up a 461R new today🤘🤘🤘

[@lagoonrd4173]

BZB Customs same saws except I have 038 mag 460 mag and 461

[@hansjurgenheinemann246]

Stihl 038 Farm Boss Max 12500Umin

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

To the best of my knowledge the 038 magnum was 4.8hp ... the 461 is listed at 6.0 so if the 038 hangs with the 461 that’s sayin something ... it “wood” be interesting to see the 038 magnum sporting a max-flo or green weenie system or perhaps a wholesale intake change ... i.e. custom filter ; intake and perhaps a carb swap (never a huge BING fan myself )me thinks those little things “wood” make Big differences on that 038 mag ...

[@danielh4995]

There is some room to open up the intake on the 038 if a different boot and carb is used but for most of the port work stock size can flow enough fuel/ air to get it tuned.

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

Daniel Hunter I’m not sure that the stock filter will flow enough air with Jacks’ Psycho-ization process to realize the full gains ... especially the “flock” style filter ... it could be the design and the bore/stroke is a limiting factor on the 038 magnum ... I think Jack does mention the 038 magnums’ filter is not quite up to snuff in the video ! Happy chainsawing

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

Daniel Hunter iirc there is a “winter” filter for the 038 magnum that looks superior flow-wise to the stock - wood be interesting to see for r/d purposes how much more she’d wind out although I woodnt recommend it for work !

[@danielh4995]

Good to know. I am planning basic porting/ polishing for mine, muffler mod, base gasket delete/ jug decking possibly some timing tweaks depending on how it does after that

[@nativedaddy245]

Hotsaw101 please I been try in to contac you I need my ms261cm latest version ported I'm really hoping you will work on it for me please let me know one way or another thank you.

[@mabgn8807]

Hi. What did you use to tow stroke oil and ratio ? Thank's.

[@hotsaws101]

J M - I blend my own. I run ~ 48/50:1.

[@sugardog1000]

enjoy your videos. I love the 038s and 056 chainsaws. The 038 you are using here started off with 3.7 hp the super was at 4,1 and the magnum and magnum 2 were at 4,8 hp. Not sure how much you gain with your mods. Mine are all stock 038 magnums.

[@hotsaws101]

Rich hi. This is a really late magnum with the 52 mm bore. If it started life at 4.8 hp and now runs with, or in this case outruns, a 461 that comes in at 6.0 hp I guess it would be ~ 1.2 for this saw based on the numbers. Thanks for watching.

[@sugardog1000]

Oh ok. I just did not see the magnum on it. Either way they are great saws. Keep the videos coming they are great.

[@billa7571]

The 038 mag is a good saw I cut some fire wood with one long ago but I thought it was a good fire wood saw I like the 044 a lot better if a guy put a greenwinie on it it would make it really get with it any way Good saw God bless !

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

Bill A a good machinist (cough , cough) could make a custom aluminum velocity stack for that model ... affix a green-weenie or k+n air filter ; re - dial carb and it’s off the races ... it seems the “flock-style” air filters aren’t what they are cracked up to be ... frankly I’m surprised the 038 magnum stayed with the stock 461 given the “air-flow” limitations of the 038 stock set-up !!! ... I’m sure ol’ Jack can whip her into shape on that side of the equation if he so desires ...

[@pentecost66]

Question would it be helpful to drill small holes in that cover to get better airflow

[@billa7571]

Ummm I don't know for sure but I don't think it would hurt as long as you spray the carb area out every once in a while I wouldn't put a whole lot of holes in it but I would definitely help a little and keep the air cleaner clean because once you drill holes and it's really going to suck than sawdust into the air cleaner!!!!!!!

[@billa7571]

pentecost66 Hey bro it wouldn't get much more air by drilling holes in the cover of the filter only can get so much air through it !That's why a after market filter is the only way to get the big air flow that would make any big difrents ! You can't get a velocity stack and a green weenie filter and put on your saw that would make it really a lot better I would put it on my saw I have one on both my 066 and 044 and my husky 2100 I love that type of filter but if it's raining they get wet ezer but still work

[@dylanoverholt5334]

Am I the only person that wants my trimsaw ( top handle ) climbing saw "fixed"

[@ryananderson5946]

Me too!

[@lionelsanchez737]

Nice saw! That thing eats wood!!!

[@MrDrDealGood]

No one seemed to mention that when you ran the 038 super it was with the chain already ran Bet with a new chain and no knot that 038 would take the other saws lunch money.

[@hotsaws101]

I run the smaller displacement saws 1st for the most part. I will run the stock saw/s 1st most often as well. This is so the test will be more fair. Also, there's ABSOLUTELY no way to run a fair comparison when using two different chains. Because there is no way to get two different chain's teeth exactly to the same sharpness and also have the stops/raker/riders/depth gauges at the same elevations. Really, really close yes. So, I did run a fair comparison between these two contestants. Thanks for watching.

[@donrussell1577]

How much $$ to send the 038 to new home?

[@hotsaws101]

Don hi. This 038 is already spoken for. Thanks for watching.

[@hansjurgenheinemann246]

Selten so einen Vollhorst gesehen... Mit einer Hand ne 461er. Ich will die Fresse nicht sehen wenn die Kette da durch gewesen ist.

[@tomintexas817]

ported=phycoized

[@hotsaws101]

Quite a bit more involved than the run of the mill "ported" in all actually. That is how/why they run so much better. Thanks for watching.

[@tomintexas817]

​@@hotsaws101 thanks I'm just beginning my porting journey so I appreciate the reply and I hope you don't mind me borrowing the rhino liner idea I have 3 saws with metal only wrap handle.

[@hotsaws101]

@@tomintexas817 There is a lot of plagiarism that goes on in the porting world. People get you to do a saw, then the next thing is they are doing porting for hire. Or, you mention something and they run with it as their own. Just give credit where it is due. That is all anyone can ask. Thanks for watching.

[@tomintexas817]

@hotsaws101 no worries and I hear you I don't port for others but it's fun to tinker

[@joepesci8930]

Full wrap on an 038?

[@jamesowens3497]

Probably used in fire service 😎

[@hotsaws101]

Working on West Coast ground requires/demands the fitment of a full wrap handle in order for any saw to be to usable for felling timber. Thanks for watching.

[@joepesci8930]

hotsaws101 I've been a handfaller in the pacific northwest for 18 years. Just never seen full wrap on anything smaller than a 044. Wasn't sure if that was some mod you did to get them to fit

[@andrewspiterie]

038 AV Magnum electronic Quickstop 1988. Anyone know what I should make maximum RPM no load? I am replacing pistin and head and seals, and dont want to burn this one!

[@mathangafanchun5697]

A man eng zatnge

[@jiveturkey231]

I have xl 12s that will murder these

[@44place85]

038 small looking drive clutch

[@ralfkipp2383]

von Sicherheit versteht der absolut garnichts