Still Unknown: The Strange Story of China’s Longyou Caves | Odd Salon UNKNOWN 7/7

[@warrenkernot4522]

Water cistern!

[@anthonymar-forman6442]

I've gone through SO MANY videos trying to find out more about these caves, and this video told me more than the rest put together. Thank you!

[@MarvinMonroe]

Just remember that all the carvings/murals were done by the Chinese government in the 1990s

[@44Jupiter44]

What an awesome video on the caves. So glad I came across this. Thank you!!!

[@MarvinMonroe]

Does she not know that the carvings/murals were done by the Chinese government in the 1990s?

[@MarkGovern]

You don’t even know that. You just made it up given you haven’t shared any evidence.

[@MarvinMonroe]

@MarkGovern it's common knowledge. I don't have share evidence and cite sources in a KZbin comment. Its up to you to check if I'm correct (which I am)

[@owl6218]

this lady deserves a prize for her presentation. she made it as exciting as the subject of her talk itself

[@hipstarchild]

This is incredible. It's the first time I've ever heard of this !!

[@exucaviera9084]

How exactly do they date the caves?

[@sunnydaysddt2068]

C14 analysis sometimes

[@exucaviera9084]

@@sunnydaysddt2068 thought that only works with organic materials

[@duperikles]

clay from pots dated to between 206BC and 23 AD was found in silt within the caves.[1],,,,FROM Wiki... So they do not know. Finding a few steel chisels and pottery mean nothing in terms of dating.

[@allenhook3042]

Maybe they were actually made to hold water for ppl to drink... You'd need to build stairs in order for the ppl carving them out to get in & out easily.

[@Ryan-eu3kp]

Wow

[@matveyshishov]

Loved it!!

[@bobhopeiv6987]

Such an attractive telling of such an awesome discovery.

[@TheOKkittyfarm]

Excellent talk. Fun and informative. Not easy to do. Thank you!

[@MrNektarios1973]

The caves have water reserve purpose.

[@amberkyz]

This is my favorite thing today ❤️

[@DIGIHENDRIX300]

how can i take a look at the texts closely.. i have not been able to find any legible images of the writings or so called writings.. any help would be appreciated please

[@user-ov6ko4ii6z]

That fish really lived alone her whole life how sad :(

[@hudsontoo1212]

Well- you’re a nice person to have that thought anyway :)

[@joegastly6166]

How did the fish even get in there?

[@joegastly6166]

Also that fish had the best life. I see fish by themselves in a tiny glass in Walmart and that's their entire life. That fish had an entire giant cave to swim around in as it's fish tank with no predators. Now that's a happy fish with a good life

[@solofirez]

The fish made the caves

[@DG-oo8zf]

​@@joegastly6166flooding or someone intended to farm them there.

[@Davett53]

3/20/24...........I just discovered these hidden caves,...by accident on You Tube about a week ago. And have been amazed by the mystery of them. I assumed there has to be many unknowable discoveries. That modern humans have yet to explain.

[@groovygroves22]

#ancientaliens needs to check these out. Enjoyed this presentation thank you although no real historical information given.

[@MJHanegraaf]

Not much real historical info to give. It’s largely unknown and she made that clear.

[@allons_y1001]

Discoveries like this just prove we don't know f*ck all about human history. Why do we hold on so tightly to the notion that humanity has only had this one era of advanced technology when it's constantly being disproven? Does it not make a hell of a lot more sense that cataclysmic events in our planets past nearly wiped out humanity to the point we were literally knocked back to the stone age technology-wise... leaving places like Longyou, the great pyramids and other megalithic sites behind and the history of them lost to time? Think about it, cataclysm occurs such as a massive meteor hitting Earth (see Younger-Dryas event), fire and floods ensue killing most, followed by nuclear winter that plunges the world into another mini ice age. Who survives all that? City dwellers with the tech? Nope, they starve to death just like we would. Indigenous people still connected to the land do though and pass down through the ages stories of a time where there was fire, flood and winter. As humanity once again grows and advances, we then come across the ruins of our former selves that we've mostly forgotten and rebuild upon some of those sites. Would it not look a lot like sites attributed to the Inca (for example) where the foundations and walls are perfectly cut MASSIVE blocks of some of the hardest stone on Earth, but then are topped with or filled in with small rough rocks, mortar and fairly primitive construction? If you believe the conventional paradigm that this iteration of humanity is the only advanced society to date, then shouldn't our engineering skills as a species go from primitive TO advanced and not the other way around as seen in those sites? Personally, I find it makes much more sense to believe the indigenous peoples oral histories that typically indicate they inherited these sites from some forgotten society... over what some academics theorize happened because it fits the narrative of our accepted timeline. Megalithic sites like, Giza, Longyou, Gobeckli Tepe, Little Petra, Saqsayhuaman, etc prove the timeline is wrong and that we need an honest fresh look at the evidence available and not just continue or build upon bullsh*t spun by colonists hundreds of years ago. /rant over 🤦‍♀️

[@BlackbettyBamdalam]

Omg mind blown thx for this video.... You got me at Stone steps eeeekkkkkkk

[@adambgunn]

She had me at Sparkle Motion!

[@7bluecheetah]

Finally some information...?

[@hudsontoo1212]

It looks like the steps to the first cave are silhouettes of a mountain range?

[@Davett53]

How about an ancient bath house? Or a cold food storage area?

[@mechannel7046]

Amazing caves! Now I want to go to the Longyu caves

[@DaDa-kf4vp]

How did they date the excavation if the caves (don't say pottery)?

[@mechloe8528]

Great talk, very interesting!! Amazing caves 😍... Def makes u wonder who helped to make them though 🤔

[@derfthekhemist8517]

me chloe melanated people also known as black people. We did everything first

[@derfthekhemist8517]

melanated people also known as black people. We did everything first

[@chriswebster24]

⁠​⁠@@derfthekhemist8517Good one 😂

[@burnheretic3950]

Kind of shows a lack of research talking about the wall carvings as if they were a part of the original structure. The majority of the carvings were created in modern times for tourists to view.

[@warrenkernot4522]

Looks a lot like machine digging, like current machines, pretty consistent lines !

[@howardfreeland5595]

They are machine marks.

[@1nofumes]

Waves are hand-carved into every surface with chisels, except for the pictorial carvings.

[@sirwonbowbow]

I can never get past the reason the pond was drain "fisherman finds a big fish the other fisherman's decide to drain the pond to catch other fish" yeah sound reasonable specially at a time where the region was going through mass starvation having a hard time producing food for there over growing population

[@martymcfly5423]

2:43 DRAIN THE SWAMP 😄👍

[@ahzzz-realm]

Isn't the dating relying on the carvings ?

[@MarvinMonroe]

The carvings were done by the Chinese government in the 1990s They do that with all ancient stuff in China. They want to put a Han Chinese stamp on everything to say that their ethnic group has always been there. It's basically like if the Spanish carved pictures of Spanish myths all over the Pyramids they found in Mexico Or if the British drew King Arthur all over Stonehenge

[@havenht]

Underground bunker for godzilla or comet

[@giantasparagus]

lol she said caves arent good for keeping things fresh

[@AFatalPapercut]

among other unintelligent, factually incorrect things she mentioned.

[@dizzywilliams3557]

Brainy,funny and a goddess!! Nailed it!

[@jarrodblinch8530]

Great talk!

[@johnsheppard5457]

Micheal Ross posted the story of the Longyou Caves in English on Utube in Aug 2017. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnSQfn6JfMp_j8k He gives a pretty decent reason for the purpose of the caves. From 250bc to 200 bc there were some long periods of drought. So it’s his belief that the people dug the caves so deep so they could hold as much water as possible. Since water in a lake or pond would dry up quickly in a drought. It’s also possible that there were already cave systems and the locals dug the caves wider and deeper. So, if the cave system already existed there would be much less rock.

[@Weber1987]

Then give me a logical answer as to why it would have art carved on a walls!!!

[@ell6323]

so, between that period of time, thousands of people worked 24/7 to construct a massive water storage system and no one decided to write down anything about it

[@johnmcnulty4425]

Except for one sculpture, the rest were made recently to boost tourism. The caves were made for just the purpose they were discovered for - cisterns storing water. But so far back in time that there is no record of them. During the last ice age, it was much drier in this part of China and the stones were used for buildings, roads, etc. down along the former coast line.

[@johnmcnulty4425]

Check out youtube channel, Curious Being, on this topic for more info.

[@mishmash86]

Yup, locals confirm that the other decorative carvings were added on after discovery of the caves. Commenting as this nugget of info needs more prominence. It's still a magnificent find, these caves. Just wish they'd put more effort into protecting the integrity of these sites rather than milking it for all its worth in the name of tourism.

[@eduardourzua155]

For water it’s been proved has a pond in the middle where there is 2 block sand and two block stone.

[@chriswhite2151]

I could tell this was San Francisco

[@richduffey1456]

Cheers! Science! Maybe dug out during ice age and later flooded during the thaw when Sea Levels rose again? How old are they really?

[@manbearpig710]

10,000 plus

[@seanh6097]

Its so obvious, they were an early underground facility for building spaceships, just like in Nevada with area 51;)

[@judypetree2589]

I love this channel. You are a bright spot on the web. All my further work in any area will be just as cheeky as yours. Great story, I'm reading this in 2021 but I saw the first news about a year ago and was just as excited as you. Go forward , Lady, go forward, you are a light. Thank you. BTW, I am 75, have a Masters in World Religions, I am an artist, a world traveler, and a writer; you, my dear, will be great for our world, do grand things. Love and light.

[@dragonblade7273]

At the beginning she said the ceiling was perfect 45 degrees and the walls where decorated in perfect parallel marks, not to mention the carvings are in high relief and massive then at 15:00 is 100% handmade all sudden? im Assuming because the thousands of years old stone tool and Pottery that was found in side the cave like , its a Hole in the ground things fall in there maybe people lived there after it was carved making it more astonishing that there's evidence that stone age people occupied the space

[@supertuesday600]

The caves were carved while they were still not very hard. Like dry soap, thousands of years ago.

[@the_larsonfamily]

They were in creative mode. We're stuck in survival mode😂

[@JojoQuik]

Its definitely c'thulu.

[@WasBlind_NowISee]

You fish in an ancient pond that rarely gets human activity nor other animals so the fishes have time to enjoy their lives unbothered by the usual forces of nature that shorten their lives dramatically. You pull it up and it’s a whopping 30pbs fish. You obviously know this is definitely his home and has been for many years, why on earth would you take him home to eat it at that point? Do you not see the waste in that? Eating a fish can be done any time but eating one from a situation like that makes you a pos of a person. No sense.

[@boomerbuddy]

Only part that stumps me is only one fish was in there and it was caught before the drainage. Once they drained it, no other fish remains were found. What???

[@boomerbuddy]

Also, old Chinese folktales said that there were celestial beings that lived in deep lakes and rivers.

[@browny8574]

The guy saw big beautiful fish but cant catch it that is why he dry the lake to find the fish but he found the cave instead of fish. The fish gone dissapear cant be found anymore.

[@imetr8r]

I agree with warrenkernot6442, they are water cisterns.

[@petergalione1414]

I am doubting your commitment to Sparklemotion

[@zippytripi2412]

Hey guys let's get 4 more pumps 😂😂😂 #4sciencelol

[@morne1317]

Klei tool marks, once was soft after great flood, now is hard calcified (calcified nephilim bodies)

[@giantasparagus]

damn!

[@richardkennedy8481]

What is worse, the speaker or the audience?

[@morne1317]

Ancient knowledge Credwa mutwa african story keeper and head shaman and mudfossil university youtube channel , the indians survived and where leaders in architecture (egypt pyramids built by indians,indians went and were hired by many civilizations they then created a club to be safe in foreign lands and this is where the masons or free masons began) and slowly stories of in the days after the flood the fallen giants turned to klei and then turned to stone we use to have techniques for drying out sometimes you see random holes still left in the same area or close to a a worked surface acording to shaman stories they use to make holes and then the liquid would accumelate and the mass would start to dry to a denser form There is also amazonian shaman tales of sap from a red leaved bush that melts granite

[@fudpuckerzz437]

Perhaps It is a basement.

[@AnunakiAtlantis]

by this Nacha drowed. I am sure it's for pray who believe in Quan Yin. Nacha is Quan Yin Student. But that time is not allowed to do that spiritual activity .

[@lahaina4791]

Actually I believe you are on the right track. Quan Yin is the mother goddess, right? The Ark through which a few souls suvived the Flood was viewed as mother earth by the expanding population. Noah was considered the Sun and male god, but under hundreds of names such as Bacchus, Saturn, etc. The cave's horizontal lines represent the Ark's timbers.Clearly mythical emperors Nuwa, Huangdi, and Fu Xi are all Noah.

[@busterbiloxi3833]

Does she know?

[@MrG2022-o2t]

I could listen to her allday she sound so seductive

[@BlackbettyBamdalam]

Weirdo

[@alanar8046]

They're just cisterns. look up photos of ancient cisterns. same thing. they were full of water because they are designed to collect water.

[@dunzhen]

ancient technology baby - one of many examples throughout the world. tho i don't believe this is an example of a megalith

[@anfo_4241]

Is the audience drunk or something?

[@AFatalPapercut]

they made this entire presentation unbearable.

[@jaygage1555]

"I knoooooow"

[@jordanw4818]

Musical instruments

[@busterbiloxi3833]

Ancient Aliens!

[@DaDa-kf4vp]

Heavy machinery made those horizontal marks.

[@william.youare6736]

It is my understanding that the caves have to be constantly pumped out or they will fill with water. I have never heard anyone offer a theory on how this was done when it was built.

[@changclifton786]

I love you Kate! Take me with you when you revisit the caves!

[@kylestephenson3004]

Creep

[@hb-kw4mr]

This woman is stunning! Omg

[@toni4729]

Ok Kate, you explain who built without laughing and taking the mikey. Smart Arse. One things fure sure, they weren't stupid, they didn't use plastic and if they used metal it no longer remains.

[@GrillaStyle]

what's with ginger scientists

[@AFatalPapercut]

this was a pretty annoying presentation not gonna lie. "hur hur hur" "OMG I KNOWWWW" "Hur hur hur" "OMG I KNOW RIGHT?" It's like someone trying to talk about something important at a damn comedy club, minus the comedy.

[@JPOwantstoknow65]

The patterns are from a machine. Those caves are not hand cut. That's absurd. The drawings are hand cut of course.

[@fernandodescailleauxppsf2959]

I rather see an Asian or Native Chinese person talk about this.

[@somniumisdreaming]

Well go see one

[@twood1uis]

Cisterns. And many ancient civilizations were amazingly adept at digging and cutting stone (see Egyptians, Inca, etc.)

[@ancientbuilds3764]

Been thinking about this. I reckon those wall marks are actually a measuring system for water. Presumably somewhere they are connected to the river as there are fish in them. 3 options there: connected to the river, Fish can't walk, or somebody fancied a new Koi pond. If they are somehow connected to the river, then the wall markings could be an indication of coming drought. Some old priest might wander down and see that they had dropped 3 marks in a day and start to get worried. The carvings could indicate who to pray to when they were revealed. When the whole pillar of the dragon is revealed that would mean " It's burning time baby!" This might have been made at a level lower than the river at the natural aquifer level. Everything after that was a closely monitored reserve of water that would naturally seep in...Maybe.

[@ancientbuilds3764]

@shannon dove That be so... But then again, at least this water has been filtered through the rock...

[@ancientbuilds3764]

Turns out the carvings are modern and meant for tourists. In the meantime, Tina over at curious being worked out what the are. Humidity dumps. They are self sustaining water holes. They work like that desalination plant in Saudi. The lines on the wall are designed to trap humidity.

[@austinling7318]

I think this is similar to most cave structures. Much of the cave was natural. Enough so that it was a fraction of the work. Their abnormality caused curiosity and eventually gave way to spiritual beliefs. Thus they were expanded and made into the highly symmetrical structures that they are now. Perhaps taking on more of a local religious rite than a nationally funded project that had to be recorded. Not all built at the same time. Some of the older ones may be some of the collapsed ones. There may not have been much wealth in the area and over the course of wars, flooding and other disasters the native population dwindled to near or complete non-existence. Thus the caves were forgotten. I'll take it one step further (may or may not be less likely). The caves are far older that the most recent carbon dating suggests. Thousand of years prior they were very very slowly worked upon by primitive peoples of the area. Not in any way with sophisticated stone work but the soft sand stone was worked upon and the caves opened up just slightly to make them livable or usable space. Then after further erosion they became large enough that when they were rediscovered they seemed unnaturally open (because they were). This lead to the air of mystery and interest in improving and molding them into their current form. Additionally considering the proximity to running water; it is very plausible that the topography of the area was a bit different back in the day and the caves were more accessible than they are now. I can't translate but perhaps if dragon motifs are common then possibly they were thought of as home of dragons (this is the biggest conjecture though because I have little to no images of the rest of the decorative artwork).

[@NYSparky705]

Natural erosion will not cause parallel 60* lines amongst all surfaces in the cave. Why would a primitive people carve every surface of this cave to only "slightly" enlarge it? In that case it was already plenty large enough. Those surely are not machine markings I take it?

[@howardfreeland5595]

Caves do not generally form in sandstone. Caves form by slightly acidic water dissolving limestone. Sandstone is made of quartz sand and will not dissolve. I recently saw a video that had carving marks like these markings in structures all around the world. They had to have been made by an advanced technology that has been lost to our history or, as the UFO guy said, by aliens. Those were machine markings!

[@MJHanegraaf]

That’s a very interesting line of thought and it sounds pretty reasonable for the most part. It’s all conjecture, but worth considering.

[@raindancinghorse]

It is a thing called Geopolymer, it was sort of boxed up, and pored like concrete. This was the basement of a massively high structure. Which may have been melted? You are just looking at the molding on the inside of the boxing, yes chisel marks from the making of the timber boxing.

[@howardfreeland5595]

No way!

[@raindancinghorse]

@@howardfreeland5595 yes way ;)

[@ImmortalDuke]

minoan culture club.

[@annanardo2358]

NO need for profanity here...😖😱😱

[@Mojokiss]

I subscribed for the vulgarity

[@stephengirling7859]

Probably the worst explanation of the Longyou caves i've seen.

[@kieronwiltshire1701]

Here is my theory, the caves were likely an unfinished project of sorts. The pyramids in Egypt are only so perfect because the art, design and engineering of pyramids were perfected for years, this is evident by the fact there are other pyramids which aren't perfect such as the "bent pyramid." So my hypothesis is that the caves project maybe started as some form of mausoleum or palace or whatever, but due to the time they were build with the waring dynasties, it's likely that the emperor or whomever commissioned these builds had died. I would argue that there were likely records for this but were probably destroyed as waring dynasties did destroy records of other dynasties after conquering them. I would probably gamble on that these caves were probably purposefully flooded too. It's likely that any dynasty conquered would not have wanted the fruits of their labour been used by their conquers. There is probably evidence of this as a lot of the caves which are unexcavated has debris that has filled the surrounding area. I would say it's very unlikely that the amount of debris that is there has been built up over time - but I am not a geologist. It would be interesting if someone with certain proof can disprove my theory. It's unfortunate that we will most likely never know the truth.

[@kieronwiltshire1701]

@@Anon0nline except that these caves are lit being worked on to this day and modified every single day, so there's a good chance those depictions could've been created by someone else after the caves were built. Majority believe caves to be more than 2k years old. So...

[@nedwright3257]

I'm sure a group of women did the work

[@rosecityronin]

Yet another example of "scholar" being synonymous with "we have no idea but we went to school for a reeeaaally long time soooo OUR guesses are the ones you should listen to."

[@josephdrury8579]

Your view is so ignorant..

[@mahdiismail8853]

It's a reservoir dudes and nothing mysterious about it. TQ

[@kevinshari8262]

She has to get to the point sooner

[@anyatranter5588]

Could they be more modern and created by the Government as this exact thing a massive tourist attraction

[@Falkdr]

no quarry? So, they just threw all the stone into the sea after they cut it out of the mountain, I guess? Kate O’Donnell may not have heard of "underground quarries" (called mines) but they exist, even for simple ressources like bulding material. Some real arguments against a quarry hypthesis would've been nice.

[@margretharris9532]

Growing up would hear stories like this and have flashbacks w the answer of how but had no one to reinforce my curiosity, so didn’t have outward validation because I trusted my opinion. Relearning to trust myself and the process. AI keeps sending this to me. Those flashes as a child were channeled messages/past life experiences. I’ll figure this out because it feels similar. The Mummy movies also trigger flashbacks. I’m not crazy. I’m a Goddess Oracle.

[@jotjotzzz5357]

These caves are much much much older than 2,000 years old! It was carved by a lost civilization. It was simply used as a water well. The striation is to count the depth of water. It was carved by a machine.

[@hstephens78]

I KNOW this person is super cool and interesting because her hair is asymmetrical and colorful in a way that says, "I'm definitely not trying very hard to get your attention!"

[@entheogenocide]

Could the longyou cave be a manmade fish farm? Like maybe they caught and bred fish for food. Maybe a fishing culture had to move inland and they created their own ponds for fish to eat.

[@zigavojska1672]

The cave is amazing, she is not

[@VG-ey4gi]

So vulgar...

[@rogerevans9666]

sewer mouth@3:07 get off the stage! This is the level of public discourse these days?

[@justingarcia6328]

The caves were probably for something completely ordinary. modern folks 2000 years later: ancient aliens

[@lahaina4791]

It was next level symbolic.

[@elduquesantiago8431]

Very interesting subject, but the stand up comedy way that she talks about is so annoying...

[@demillebrandon1185]

Yeah the narrator can get it😳 in the name of science though 🫡

[@raymondnicholas2755]

Totally over dramatized, AND Kate's insane hand waving is SO distracting that its very difficult to concentrate on what she's saying - what a shame .