Stogie T On New EP ‘Shallow’, Authenticity, Hip-Hop Bands + More | What A Life Podcast Ep. 5

[@bathowstandrews4507]

Im not from SA but Stogie to me is the top 10 lyricists in the world far as rap goes

[@OnewordSphamandla]

Let’s be serious now, he an average rapper in the United States

[@bathowstandrews4507]

@@OnewordSphamandla nothing about his rhymes is average...his bag is deep

[@OnewordSphamandla]

@@bathowstandrews4507 his good at telling other people’s struggle stories

[@OnewordSphamandla]

@@bathowstandrews4507 in the states there is “Pharoah Monch, Black Thought, Mick Kenkins, Jadakiss, Elzhi, Andre3000, Pusha T, Roc Marciano” just to mention a few……. Your boy has moments in freestyles and features, he doesn’t have one solid body of work under his belt consider classic

[@dostovan5142]

He black thought level

[@t.reason-him]

Is Stogie talking about the same guy who created 'Good kid, m.a.a.d city' and 'To Pimp A Butterfly'🤔 . Which are considered to be one of the best albums in rap... But nah he's not surely talking about that guy

[@ambani_nianifty]

You mean biased apple, spotify considered his albums as best hip hop rap there are dope albums better than those illmatic is one of them. This has nothing to do with albums, views, impact we are talking about Lyrically your fav rapper is nothing Lyrically compared to stogie i can play Stogie on the same list with Nas, Jay z and Big L not Kendrick. In the department of bars, metaphors , punchlines or poetic without a doubt Stogie is the fucken T 🔥

[@siyabongamsweli8391]

Good kid maad city is a classic to pimp a butterfly is not one of the greatest album of all time let’s be real when’s the last time you even listened to that

[@OnewordSphamandla]

@@ambani_nianiftycome on Tumi would be an average rapper in the United States, if not is he better than “Black Thought, Pharoah Monch, Mick Jenkins, Jadakiss, Pusha T, Navy Blue, Elzhi, Royce da 59” let’s stop playing 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@mohato05makoti]

This Lady is enjoying listening to Stogie😅, you can tell she's in class and excited at the same time😅

[@Sbusiso.W]

As a South African, i’d like to apologise to Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole. i don’t know what he’s talking about.

[@SibongakonkeDlamini-ln8qy]

😂😂😂

[@dostovan5142]

​@@SibongakonkeDlamini-ln8qyme neither😂😂

[@lettuceandtomatoes4065]

I understand you but don't agree you and we are both correct (I`m a big fan of all three artists). Perhaps to explain my agreement with Tumi is to imagine Biggy and Pac being alive and Black Thought saying in an INTERVIEW about the culture that he is a better lyricist then them - I`ll agree with Thought - different era and context yet similar principal applies.... Peace to your day Sbu

[@maxwellspyk494]

we need this dark skinned guy all the time, i like how he challenges the audience

[@kay_wondersa698]

Stogie hating on Kendrick just like his idol Lupe😂😂😂😂😂i see the pattern, they mad tht he gets hailed as the king lyrically when he doesn't do the extra complicated writing but thing is u need to find a certain balance to be able to make your music impactful otherwise u just another dope lyricist

[@ybnthepoet1260]

Real!

[@stolendata8754]

Couldn't have been said amy better

[@BharaDaFundraiser]

His just not that good 😊

[@OnewordSphamandla]

His talking lyricist/writing to a guy with a Pulitzer, Tumi has moments when it comes to features and freestyles but to me he doesn’t have a solid album, his good at telling other people’s story about the struggle

[@p-roy]

Proves his point ,Dot don't lyrically compare to Stogie but getting all the glory as if he is

[@yahboycodi]

Stogie T is a legend who can rival the best without a doubt 🔥

[@RaphelaMakhudu]

STOGIE T 🐐🐐🐐

[@videoviewer502]

Tumi/Stogie one of the greatest to have ever done it ...doing it ...will ever do it. He is a gem in the hip hop history as a country ... a continent and 🌎 jikelele vele

[@KasiKon-Tant]

😂Aaah Stogie....😂😂Yu can't park the car there Chief

[@omolemontsakotsienyane]

Lupe is a master of craft

[@MzansiStoriesOfficial]

Pulitzer Prize is not given to average artists , Tumi wants to trend on Kendricks name

[@CalvinCycle-zf1uf]

I do not think you understood what Tumi was trying to communicate.

[@MzansiStoriesOfficial]

@@CalvinCycle-zf1uf he said it exactly how he said it there is no cryptic or hidden meaning , dont try to make it sound smart its not

[@BharaDaFundraiser]

Ppl these days can’t listen nd comprehend

[@abongilebuwa1265]

The first mistake he made was saying Kendrick is not special

[@sukumaworldcom]

Listen, we are grateful that institutions are beginning to acknowledge hip hop as a form of writing. However make no mistake: This moment is not a reflection of who greatest rappers of hip hop are, rappers whom kendrick listened to (like Tupac) and with a far more superior lyricism than kendrick. Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Nas etc. If pulitzer was an indication of who's the greatest, then all are deserving in their own right.

[@moshcar_evo]

Damn, the room let that "that sounds like you are saying i was a poet first" moment goo. Great timing Stogie 😂😂😂

[@slikouronlife]

😂 What did you want us to say?

[@ndumisoqolintaba8224]

Yall so confused when stogie put himself up there he is definitely the greatest we have in the country Americans just know how to market their craft thats why their seem better.

[@theillustratxr]

He has to put himself up there yes but he's wrong about J Cole, Drake and Kendrick Lamar bruh

[@MzansiStoriesOfficial]

go watch whats the dirt videos to see how deep Kendrick was

[@abongilebuwa1265]

Yeah but saying he's better than Dot is a stretch

[@DericoJansen]

I gotta listen to his EP!!!

[@ivanmolefe1468]

History will remember Stogie T chosen an alleged PDF dowloader than the man that gave us masterpieces.

[@mncedisipunzi2054]

Hope Stogie talks about Return of The King back on stream

[@lettuceandtomatoes4065]

I second the motion,I still have a copy from Musica :) Dope way for Tumi to "rest"

[@mabundagreg9505]

Bro

[@mncedisipunzi2054]

@lettuceandtomatoes4065 ey broe, couldnt recover my drive so I lost most of my music. I cant wait for it to be back. Its one of those classics

[@Charliy13]

Stogie t can bury alot of artists in America with his lyrics..... I'm American but this guy is gifted, special with lyrics is like I'm reading bible verses ❤❤

[@abongilebuwa1265]

Yes but not Kendrick tho

[@BuhleSalie-dx3ig]

Stogie The GOAT 🐐

[@Cairo96]

The best in our land

[@evanscarter8668]

Stogie T is the 🐐

[@undrewest2729]

😂😂to Stogie"you not like us"...

[@slikouronlife]

🤣 He's not

[@switchandthebigsteppers.6296]

Pulitzer price winner Kendrick??? Ay ngeke uTumi uyaginqa😭

[@Ok_unclemooiiii]

I always took this guy serious till he said Kendrick is not better than him🚮🙇🏽‍♂️

[@keo9179]

Kendrick isn’t even top 5 lyricist ever

[@yoshmngomezulu4900]

Dude is trying numbers

[@Unkxwn_Sa]

Bro don't sleep on Stogie T just because is not as popular as your favorite Artists, it don't mean his pen game is below theirs just saying the guy may not have massive hits or a massive following but lyrically wise the guy is something else 💯🔥🔥

[@cyamakinana7605]

He's not lying though.

[@skyent.5492]

he is not lying though my g

[@doktalee8876]

REAL TALK 🗣️

[@theillustratxr]

Seba Kaapstad🔥🔥🔥 timeless underrated discography Zādok is super underrated

[@slikouronlife]

Dope musicians. 💯

[@theillustratxr]

@@slikouronlife true🔥

[@kay_wondersa698]

Man we cant say Kendrick Lamar is not special, im sorry, see thing is, stogie has us gassed calling him the best Lyricist and all but we cant relate to his music, i know the best of us try, his style of writing is cool for wanting people to say u the dopest Lyricist but we wont relate, Kendrick had to tweak his style of writing otherwise he was gonna be an Ab Soul instead of a Kendrick Lamar, Kendrick been special and he had to dumb down but he still top tier as a lyricist and can make people relate at the same time, thts the balance niggas dont have

[@theillustratxr]

But Ab Soul is better than Kendrick vele, just as a lyricists, not a musician 😂😂

[@theillustratxr]

Stogie T is great, no lie but him saying Cole, Kendrick and Drake ain't special is weird to me. Like when he said there's not a classic album here in SA😂😂😂😂😂

[@kay_wondersa698]

@@theillustratxr I get u bro but don't forget the word lyricist is diverse in terms of pockets and these 2 don't do music for the same purpose, also, back then, Kendrick used to kill Ab 90% of the times they used to rap together and we were there to witness it before Kendrick really let go of the punchlines....yea AB went on to be much more lethal in tht pocket of lyricism

[@kay_wondersa698]

@@theillustratxr 😂😂😂yea it's incredibly weird bro, nigga is just salty he isn't connecting enough with the audience and he feels like.we not tapped in enough and he might be right but bro nah u just lack tht element Kendrick has where his pen could be complicated but it just has so much soul to it it connects and cultivates the audience more which motivates them to tap in even more and understand the meaning behind the pen

[@skyent.5492]

@@kay_wondersa698 nah u whyling Ab Soul has killed Kendrick more times

[@MzansiStoriesOfficial]

Tumi needs to go watch whats the dirt videos to see how deep Kendrick was ,

[@onaleronaletebele1802]

@Silkouronlife can we please ask Stogie T to make a video breaking down the Drake and Kdot beef & lyrics from their diss songs ?

[@user-jm1qt1ry9b]

FIRE💥💥💥💥 TO THE JACKET MAN SJAVA & BIG ZULU I LOVE THE JACKET MAN

[@luckyphomane1506]

I respect stogie T a lot and I'm not saying that Kendrick lamar is better than him but saying that Kendrick lamar is not special is insane and without even mention Kendrick lamar's albums and how Stogie will never do a TPAB or GKMC but even lyrically which is something I would say he prioritizes no one in the world storytells like Kendrick lamar not lupe , not jayz and definitely not stogie T , and imagine doing that while being one of the most technical rappers in the world which also is something that I think a Stogie wouldn't do and sure Stogie has some of his good qualities as a lyricist but to say Kendrick lamar is not special is insane and probably the worst L take I've ever heard in my life

[@SiyabongaYA]

Stogie is thee god of SA hip hop ❤❤❤ the lyricist

[@thisiseugene_]

Thanks for this 🙏🏾

[@conradzw2633]

Throwing ASAP Rocky in the list of lyricist is mad business

[@i_Kho21]

He's talking about Aesop Rock not Asap Rocky😂

[@summertime_magic]

AESOP Rock =/= A$ap Rocky

[@BharaDaFundraiser]

Probably does not even know him 😂

[@theillustratxr]

AKA in terms of band has to be the best in hip hop, no cap Nasty too, HHP also🔥🔥🔥

[@SibusisoBonganiMthembu-y9m]

Stogie T 🐐💯👌

[@ohmzlaw1421]

Stogie spitting! He and Lu need to collab

[@hiphoprince65]

Please bring back VERSE OF THE MONTH

[@abtshoni]

Tumi raps raps...Ab- would probably be the ideal matchup from the TDE roster. S/O to Dot though ❤

[@boowa7261]

No. 1 rapper in Africa ❤

[@ttepsa]

No rapper in the history of the universe surpasses Stogie T or Kendrick. They are equally unmatched, and at that level, it's all about personal preferences and biases; no one is definitively better.

[@ng9047]

😂😂 really,? You still need to know more about hip hop. What about Nas, Andre 3000, Black Thought. Kendrick is probably the same level with Andre 3000 artistically..Andre might be slightly better. Nas is the most gifted MC ever in history of hip hop if we talk lyricism.

[@ttepsa]

Read white I wrote every night, you will understand it eventually ✌🏿

[@rabbikabuya7974]

Earl is smoking T 🚫🧢

[@neomokoena3652]

Stogie t is doing more podcast than releasing projects. We need to be honest, we can't call you a Hip pop legend with just two projects

[@yoshmngomezulu4900]

What is hip pop

[@theillustratxr]

What tf😂😂😂

[@actuallywhatthehellissouthA]

He’s last EP is classic though, you’re probably uninformed

[@theillustratxr]

@@actuallywhatthehellissouthA Shallow was good but the beats, idk man

[@actuallywhatthehellissouthA]

@@theillustratxr Okay let’s just say you don’t like them. He’s going to perform the EP in France though on +5 venues, if that’s not good enough for then Ay 🤷🏼

[@luthandombiyabo753]

Not 7am cutting Stogie off 😮

[@Professor_Stark]

Stogie is a top-tier lyricist and 🐐in 🇿🇦. I don’t use the GOAT term loosely like every Tom dick and Harry. His skills are on par with lyricists you'd find on a 🇺🇸 top 50 list if there ever was one. Excluding sales, reach, popularity etc but only focusing on lyrical ability. Just my subjective opinion.

[@senzocele4412]

"A rumbling nasty punch against the crumbling Nestlé crunch"......I don't know how many days it would take for me to come up with just this bar....just go way back into his hip hop archives......every lyric justifies everything that comes out of his mouth right now that one might consider to be "bullshit"....salute Stogie

[@mukukabwalyasheperd9048]

Stogie is just stating facts. If him and Kendrick had the same opportunities,he’d stand next to him.

[@JBlackAfrica]

FALSE... even Papoose is a better lyricist then KENDRICK and Stogie but lyricism without GOOD MUSIC is pathetic. Useless.

[@MzansiStoriesOfficial]

go watch whats the dirt videos to see how deep Kendrick was

[@summertime_magic]

is this the full episode? it feel shortened.

[@realstende]

Stogie T knows very well that there's really no criteria for conciouse rap or rap in general... and I think he will never appreciate any generation of MCs that came after his coz that's what old rappers do ... Especially him, he's the only one that do people like that here is SA 4:16 😂😂😂 But he is one of the goats. Ontop of the least

[@tjrmakhetha]

Stogie is my favourite SA Lyricist after HHP and Pro…the Drake won take is the most off thing I have heard from him ever. Maybe he is hoping for a feature?

[@BigWRMOBRECTv]

Slik stay understanding wagwan shouts out bro stay giving the youngins a platform 🫡

[@mveliso]

I think Punch and Stogie would be perfect on the same song. 🐐

[@MalusiSjekula]

Mafoko Ami Listen to that Tumi ft that vocalist from Morafe

[@sovara_]

Tumi is doing more talking than making music

[@austinema]

you don't know him.

[@amonngema5675]

Rap has changed a lot it's sad that many people enjoy the beats over the lyrics ... Most lyrics nowadays are meaningless

[@nkhulisenipatrickmudau6921]

As long as that cigar is on.. We good to go

[@Kabelomoseri85]

57:48 the moment i stopped being a Tumi fan

[@nosiphosikhakhane6082]

This man said Asap Rocky is special and Cole, Kendrick and Drake ain’t 😂😂😂and yall want to argue with thay man???

[@summertime_magic]

aesop rock =/= a$ap rocky

[@mgk_moloko]

fire

[@Nkulinairehiphop]

How did Stogie say J Cole is not special.... has he heard Secret Recipe.... Stogie is dope but hasn't made a track like Secret Recipe

[@mohato05makoti]

57:50 trust me, i reacted just like Slikour right there😂

[@153tidesthatbind]

Stogie is right.

[@u.sbanban]

got him looking like Flabba on the thumbnail

[@lehlogonolomashego7252]

I am interested in the battle of yours and Snazz D.

[@ivanmolefe1468]

I mean I knew that Tumi from the V is Stogie T... But didn't know he is also Akademiks...

[@thozamilepeterkhumalo2341]

😂😂😂

[@niclson662]

The fact that this dude said Lupe and Asap are better than J.Cole is crazy.. he cleary doesn't listen to Cole.. and yall say this is the goat in S.A?? Smh😂😂🤦🏾

[@MM_Cele]

What makes J.Cole special?

[@Lukhozi_T]

Lupe is best lyricist of all time but ASAP Rocky is nowhere near Cole lyrically

[@MM_Cele]

@@Lukhozi_T Aesop Rock

[@niclson662]

@@Lukhozi_T Yep. Even mentioning his name next to Cole is disrespectful

[@hiphoprince65]

Aesop Rock not Asap

[@collenhlungwani3614]

Jay Z, Lupe fiasco and Stogie T don't have the artist ability Kendrick does. Like in terms of conceptually crafting an album. That’s something I’m into as a rap nerd. I like concepts and seeing them fleshed out. Kendrick has that down better than any rapper. Lyrically yes Lupe is a Beast.. But Kendrick edges Jay Z lyrically...Stogie T sounds like a bitter MC who never made it

[@NkosinathiMudau-bt1wk]

Jay Z and Lupe? You should go listen on more time. Kendrick has a flawless discography, but I can't really say he's superior or inferior, artistically

[@ng9047]

Yes artistically Kendrick is better than both Jay and Lupe. I think the only MC I'd put above Kendrick if we talk artistry, it's Andre 3000.

[@juniorpmatroos7912]

Lupe??😂😂

[@juniorpmatroos7912]

Kendrick is dope along with them guys but you cabt deny that he is a media darling

[@ng9047]

@@juniorpmatroos7912 Yes he is, I fully agree with that.

[@MasterChefToastTV]

In all seriousness both J Cole and Kendrick are more versatile dynamic and better than Stogie T in all aspects of the artform and to say they are not amazing lyricists is completely appalling and evident of Stogie's lack of thorough analysis of the topics he engages.

[@JBlackAfrica]

Nah he knows the topics very well but he's too busy boosting his own ego

[@simthembilefeti5440]

Oh k Tumi Dream is Over....WHAT!!!!!!!!!! Slikour dude should stop but I respect the show, I think Besides Covid u are the reason that these platforms in the Internet are full of Pods Grooti Salute...

[@studio48productions5]

Stogie T isnt even the best in SA...he must sit Down.

[@153tidesthatbind]

Who is better than stogie pen-wise?

[@moeketsinhlapo7931]

Juts put Return of the king on spotify for the reals fans man hahaha

[@theillustratxr]

Why is he saying Cole , Drake and Kendrick aren't special? 😭

[@omolemontsakotsienyane]

Siyagula les' sdudla, ukhuluma amafutha

[@mihlemakapela]

They not because he knows he's good njengabi

[@101HH51]

Because they aren't 🤷

[@phumlanindzinyana2400]

The thing is, hip hop as an umbrella term conforms to variety of things, but if we talk rap, pure rap, unyansile I'm afraid. They not special compared to him and or what he knows.

[@theillustratxr]

@@phumlanindzinyana2400 compared to him is wild cause Stogie can kill three of them but him saying they're not special I think it's wrong

[@king-wanthola]

in loving memory of AKA forbes 🐐

[@makasana4pf]

Nahh Stogie is bugging😂dot would just send Ab-soul & he would smoke stogie easily

[@keo9179]

But ab soul smokes Kendrick

[@makasana4pf]

@@keo9179 debatable but I'm riding wit dot any day

[@keo9179]

there’s musical evidence to that statement. Go listen to the oldies, turn me up etc.

[@hiphoprince65]

Thay part remix,TDE cypher lol nah

[@theillustratxr]

@@keo9179 nope. Ab Soul is a wayyy better rapper than Kendrick in terms of bars, double, triple entendres, schemes, syllables etc But not storytelling and making good music so you're tripping

[@thelastofus1068]

Every emcee should feel like they're better than the next guy, otherwise you don't have to be in this game

[@luthandombiyabo753]

Sabelo Hai 7am almost lost this interview

[@switchandthebigsteppers.6296]

He is trying so hard to be different, ngeke uTumi usephambene.

[@bathandwagumede46]

We miss Tumi and Reason. Yungsta CPT only one left

[@videoviewer502]

Stogie why ungathi uyathinteka ngendaba ka Drake ... konke nokuthanda le AI .... awuyona ighost writer ka Drake?

[@slikouronlife]

😂😂😂

[@Vusani187]

tUMI THE NARCissistic RAPPER

[@zwelisibiya2248]

Stogie T is talking nonsense

[@tkndlovu5099]

Stogie can crush all the "top 3" FACTS. To emphasize, yes, he's better than Kendrick

[@lindelanigavhi7288]

Stogie T must check out (H' and Them) and slikour. Also Lutroo Da-Music. The Limpopo wave

[@k-element3195]

“God forgives as you give the church half your shit. I’m bugging still we can’t tell a pastor from a pimp.” That didn’t age well. I’m glad you joined Team Jesus.

[@phumlanindzinyana2400]

Layman's term, he would go toe to toe with k. Dot any day. He didn't say he is better than him.

[@studio48productions5]

Lol use your ears...

[@sbonisontombela1984]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[@blankmedia01]

What drugs did Stogie take before what he was saying today... lol

[@odirilegoitseonemathe6138]

Stogie😂

[@Papito_ZA]

I pray to outlive the Bassline

[@juusoniilenge8044]

Stogie🗣️Kendrick will eat you up….

[@VendaHustler]

💯 Kendrick Lamar is not better than Stogie T lyrically

[@thebandou9411]

Hebanna

[@sbodahandsum8055]

Stogie is Nice but the proof needs to be in the pudding

[@real.luka_smith]

Stogie is better lyrically. He isn't better musically, he can't flow like Kendrick, he isn't as musical as Kendrick. Hip hop has evolved from it's main focus point being lyricism. Jay-z may be better lyrically but he doesn't make better music which touches people like any of the 3 he mentioned. This goes for Lupe too

[@theillustratxr]

True

[@khanyancapayi8824]

In terms of lyricism, Stog is light years ahead of Dot but if you base it on artistry then kendrick is the better artist by a mile.

[@lehlogonolomashego7252]

Tumi did not give Sabelo a chance to answer the question with regards to "Return of a King".

[@slikouronlife]

He ran away. 😅

[@mongeziedward6443]

Stogie can body kendrick in a rap battle but for him to say kendrick lost , thats cap. It sounds like he hating ,

[@abongilebuwa1265]

Cap

[@leonardothomas1886]

Lupe is hella formidable. He just talks hella amount of shit

[@yahboycodi]

Drake definitely won 🏆

[@SbudaVince_Z]

Please sort out the sound guys, it doesn't sound nice.

[@khumo..]

have yall listened to live at the baseline yall cant tell me that doesnt trample kendrick any day?

[@retshedisitswenkojoa4275]

Why Stogie be talking than taking him head on

[@percykunene5447]

People base their opinions based on popularity and this American what what - just because your artist is from the states does not mean he is a better rapper - Mina I believe Stogie can smoke Kendrick period

[@MzansiStoriesOfficial]

Pulitzer Prize is not given to average artists , Tumi wants to trend on Kendricks name

[@luckyphomane1506]

@percykunene5447 I get it and I think you saying that Stogie T can murder Kendrick lamar is your opinion and its fine but i think what Stogie is saying here is dumb. How is Kendrick lamar not a special rapper ? and what qualifies someone as a special rapper ? Is storytelling that Kendrick lamar did on GKMC not special? Can Stogie T storytell as good as Kendrick lamar ? Can he flow as good as Kendrick lamar on the beat ? Does he have the lyrical range that Kendrick lamar has when it comes to using different flows ? I'm not saying Kendrick lamar is better than stogie T I'm just pointing out Stogies biases cause what makes a lyricist is not complex lyricism only it is a lot of thing and some are good at using some aspect of lyricism and other are good at using other aspects of lyricism and that's that It's Ok to have to goats in rap which are goats in their own way

[@user-vd6qv5ke1t]

There's not 1 question that stogie has answered ....I don't understand 26minutes