Stolen in seconds: Why aren't car makers doing more? | Marketplace

[@ballstein30]

A few hours later... That guy they arrested is stealing another car.

[@Angelboy99]

@@ballstein30 I don’t know about the rest of Canada but the Mtl police were explaining to me that they have to give back to the robber the loot after 30 days if no one reports it missing or stolen. Pretty incredible!

[@snc237]

Right!?

[@edteach3r]

Totally! Making cars harder to steal is not the total solution. Jail time is a prerequisite.

[@richardmartin4634]

This is All on the liberal thieves that run this country they are to blame!

[@lawrencehawkins7198]

@ballsiein30 WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT?!?!?

[@jprivet5601]

Jail not bail that's a big part of the problem

[@matthewsemenuk8953]

How many "assumed innocent until proven guilty" charges are needed to pile up before it's very probable that at least one crime was committed? one non violet crime unlikely, but possible of innocents. But, two or three before a case is heard? We know statistics show repeat offenders are very common. It's good to have benefit of the doubt for the innocent, but when the crimes pile up with the same offender, it's time to draw a line and call a spade a spade.

[@ElizabethBardy-LeBlanc]

@@matthewsemenuk8953 Not enough jails to keep the thieves inside.

[@rjay2012]

send them to ukraine

[@ContentEnjoyer-gm3ky]

@rjay2012 Or the French Foreign Legion.

[@HansraRulez]

No one talks about port authorities, who exporting these cars. Who are failed to stop this smuggling. Guess what else they let export under their blind eye.

[@89ceilidh]

People? Illegal drugs? Yeah it makes no sense

[@brandon8900]

We can safely say that the port authority is a complete joke just like our police forces and justice system.

[@querty292]

Don’t badmouth them or they’ll go on strike and hold the whole economy hostage

[@cruisinguy6024]

Do you think the port can check every single container? That’s not even remotely possible

[@seesaw7289]

@@cruisinguy6024 They need scanner capable shipping containers.

[@sfritts]

Not just car makers, but why isnt the justice system coming down much harder on car thieves?

[@mysticout01]

100% agree. Stollen cars are shipped out from Canadian ports. Is there no "from address"?

[@PyroShields]

You need to makes cars more secure stop trying to blame the justice system.

[@ThanhBui1]

@@PyroShieldswell if the justice system is so weak, people are not afraid, they will keep doing it!!

[@joshm3342]

It's the LEGAL system. Justice is the fantasy outcome.

[@PyroShields]

@@ThanhBui1 If there is an opportunity there is always going to be crime, doesn't matter how tough the justice system is.

[@sokuneng6422]

Blaming the manufacturer for crime is absurd! Violent crime in Canada also goes on without punishment.

[@prawnstar9213]

It’s industry wide so I agree that blaming such and such manufacturer isn’t right. (But shame on Hyundai!!) The issue reaches across industry so new standards/requirements need to be made! It’s nuts that you can buy the software to make key fobs without any barriers. You should at least need to prove you’re a licensed locksmith or a dealership employee. The consequences of raging theft though is creating unbearable insurance costs across the board! It’s damaging the globalized economy which is dangerous.. no one wants to see what happens if it fails.

[@localpatriot2931]

Another CBC political documentary. Stop blaming manufacturers; like banning guns to prevent crime…The problem is unabated and unpunished criminals, and unjust lenient laws the Liberal government has implemented. Look at the countries that cut off fingers on first offense, hand on second offense, and head on third offense, and see how many cars stolen in those places. Brampton law enforcement advising citizens to keep keys by front doors to make it easier for these future organ donors to violate our peace Shameful governance

[@sokuneng6422]

@prawnstar9213 if look at countries with low crime like Japan they don't require all the security and safe guards to prevent theft. This leads me to believe that the bigger impact would be to prevent people from committing crimes in the first place as for a global economy that would be difficult to prevent from happening. Most car brands are owned by a few of the big brands.

[@thatguy3892]

Nah, blame both! You know why those security features aren't on Canadian models? Because no one's forcing them to, which means when cars get stolen people like you blame only the criminal, get your insurance cheque and hand it back to the same manufacturer that sold you the insecure car in the first place. They're profiting from theft, and omitting these security features when they already exist on the same model vehicles internationally is pretty much promoting theft.

[@thatguy3892]

@@prawnstar9213 Requirements like those allow dealerships to charge $600 for a $30 fob and $60 in labour. As the owner of the vehicle, you should have the _right to repair_ your own vehicle. Limiting access to tools does nothing. Some criminal will just pay some dealership employee or locksmith off to get them the tools they need. Harsher punishments and more secure vehicles is the only real solution here.

[@b2617]

Crime in general is out of control in Canada and the court system is ignoring it

[@saidibrahim5931]

Not true, crime is very low in Canada

[@ContentEnjoyer-gm3ky]

@saidibrahim5931 “he who controls the past, controls the future.” It’s no surprising coming from someone who lives in an Orwellian state. Keep believing that.

[@Thimphu760]

@@ContentEnjoyer-gm3ky Judging by his name he may not have seen the high trust society that we used to enjoy, not crime free of course, but many crimes we see today were virtually unheard of when I was young.

[@TomTschritter]

they don't ignore it, they allow and encourage it, think job security and more funding ....

[@beanzbeanz]

All time low for crime. Your complaint is folkloric.

[@pcp200769]

Life in prison if you use a gun to steal a car.

[@Nicklafuego]

Even any jail time would be a win

[@morecarstuff]

this is the problem, this mentality. thats why itll continue. smh

[@fycfyc1]

Why port authority is not catching the shipments is the real question...

[@porschefanatic1049]

corruption

[@Dbatem]

They need to send them to prison ten years minimum… our courts are a joke

[@dongningprc]

The courts are no longer jokes when you don't pay the gov. Trust me.

[@PyroShields]

10 years would bring the tax for the citizens way up. Not going to work.

[@Thimphu760]

Or just send them, depending on who is doing it.

[@IntrusiveApe]

This is hilarious, we know where the cars are leaving from, why aren't we scrutinizing every container being shipped overseas? but no lets blame the manufacturers instead.

[@MHKing03]

Two things can be true at the same time. You're right that the shipping port is a common choke point that needs more investigation and scrutiny, but figuring out ways to stop the thefts before they happen is not a bad idea either.

[@rizz_the_dog]

Cop staring at a stolen car stating we might recover this one

[@road_rider]

It was pretty obvious that they were balancing grabbing it now vs. waiting for it to get moved back to the location where they box them up in containers in hopes of making a larger arrest...

[@jijogorgeraj]

😂

[@bjsimon802]

Our government emptied prison and brought criminals here

[@umarc9767]

Its Canada man! Cops don't wonna spook the theives like that? Theives have feelings too! We are woke people up here! Everybody is woke! We care of theives' feelings too! Why sook them up with lound sirens and all that when you can recover the vehicle later? Poor theif will think his stolen car got stolen again! Thats a good enough punishment! Lets roll a joint and chill, its too much stress!

[@TheValentine12345]

Welcome to Canindia

[@JOIHIINI]

Story should be: out on bail in seconds; why arent the courts doing more?

[@chiggyvon]

A car stolen is an opportunity for the manufacturer to sell another car.

[@arshad2526]

Shame on you. Not a word about punishment of criminals. Not a word about letting them go free without serious consequences

[@briannyob7799]

Putting people in jail doesn't solve the problem.

[@sacvideo1998]

Marketplace is a consumer issue show, so the focus is on products, like the cars themselves. I'm not sure why you'd think a consumer-focused show should be focused on the justice system. Also, I think your underlying premise that people who get caught stealing cars don't face any consequences isn't really true. Maybe there's a debate about whether the punishment for car theft should be more harsh, but would it really be a good idea to take a bunch of low-level criminals, some of whom are just teenagers, and throwing them in prison for decades for stealing a car. They're just going to wind up coming out of prison with no marketable skills and possibly wind up returning to a life of crime. To stop car theft, police need to focus on the people higher up in the process, and cars need to be harder to steal.

[@briannyob7799]

@@sacvideo1998 well said. The issue is that there is a market for stolen vehicles.

[@SnowSunFun]

@@briannyob7799yes it does.

[@GOLMINER2]

@@briannyob7799 25 years without parole on first offence would solve this

[@-Sam-S]

American living in Seattle here. It is also the soft of crime policy that is causing this, NOT just car manufacturers. If the cops won't even respond to a stolen car (and they don't here), then why would criminals stop? We don't need to go full Rambo and hurt innocent people, but by doing almost nothing, innocent people are still being hurt. We have to fix this together in North America and not stand for it anymore.

[@newsandviews4595]

@@-Sam-S I've lived in Canada as a problem with the cops they won't do their job. They are the highest paid cops on the planet. They whine about money. But a lot of them break the law they sit on their butts and do nothing. The intentionally don't gather evidence and it's still the cops have told me over the years they don't want to go testify in court. They just don't want to do the job cuz they cannot be fired or suspended in Ontario for not doing their job in fact I can commit crimes because it's part of their ironclad Union contract. There's another for the Toronto cop says put your key fob by the front door to make it easy when they break into your home to steal your car. The cops will do little to nothing to investigate climate there because they don't really have to.

[@newsandviews4595]

@@-Sam-S Canadian cops are unto themselves they do not report to a sheriff to a mayor or anything that story about Robin Hood and going after the sheriff of Nottingham is because the police system that they have in Ontario is based on the same problem that Robin Hood had with the sheriff of nottingham.

[@asad5067]

america is not soft on crime you lock up people like crazy, but you are soft on corporate criminals.

[@zepher664]

Because being "tough on crime" has such a good track record of deterrence...

[@seafooddiablo5686]

​@zepher664 look up how low the crime rate is in Russia China and north Korea. Definitely not saying we should be like them but if we could take their harshness on crime it would work.

[@Angelboy99]

Why would a car maker do anything to minimize thefts? It increases sales to do nothing. And don’t get me going about the dealers!?! 😡 they are going down!

[@PURENT]

Wouldn't it decrease sales as customers start to associate that brand with theft. See Kia/Hyundai for example.

[@willankhatter]

No brain was used in making this comment

[@csn10]

Customs agents that find shipping containers full of stolen vehicles at Montreal ports don't have the authority to detain containers and make arrests. This was reported over 10 years and politicians just make excuses rather than provide those agents with the authority and tools they need. These same car makers don't have this level of theft issues to deal with in most countries, but I agree, keyless fobs need to be fixed or eliminated by makers, but also, every car owner needs a $2000 immobilizer/alarm/tracker system. First and foremost though, politicians are the major part of the problem.

[@wolcek]

@@PURENT not if all of them do that.

[@ytzpilot]

Because Canadians are complacent and will blindly purchase anyways, it’s the same culture that continues to support the Leafs decade after decade for no reason 😂

[@carquestions]

Minister Anand SHOULD LOSE her job - Transport Canada has been involved with a working group since at least 2020 that knows all about the UK / Europe vehicle cybersecurity regulations they have - she is just protecting the car industry

[@newsandviews4595]

This is not her fault it is your overall government fault and guess what cars are stolen in the US without what you guys saying or is preventing it I still found with the eyes of the cops your cops will not execute and arrest that is the problem and it just showed how easy it is to get away with the crime up here there's nothing to do with the car dealers

[@phyllis2866]

she's probably getting paid off by these criminal rings, she taking her sweet time.

[@newsandviews4595]

@@phyllis2866 the problem lies with your cops they keep saying we need more money we need more money crime keeps going up because they're not going after them. There's another video out there where just three months ago a Toronto cop says just put your keys by the front door let the people break into your house and steal them so they'll make it easy. The fall of lies within your cops because more than once to they arrested a large groups of Mafia but each time the chargers have to be dropped because the cops intentionally did not gather evidence properly go see the video where the Toronto cops tells you to leave your keys by the front door for the criminals to easily take your cars. Not only did they tell you how to let them just easily break into your home but to put the keys to make it convenient since they're there just to steal your car.

[@asad5067]

whens the protests? lets not vote conservative or liberal or ndp

[@nasrakhalid908]

She Said she is on top of it..meaning she is the ring leader 😅

[@footfoot07011988]

My MAZDA 3 was stolen two weeks ago , thank god police found it , the thief already changed the plate , it was a horrible experience , Canadians must take this seriously...

[@CoachRonV]

Is there a reason that you folks at CBC/Marketplace never state or even hint at the additional care sales (approx $1.5 Billion in Canada last year) generated for auto manufacturers when people replace their stolen vehicles? Why is this is not more directly discussed?

[@Mariobrownio1989]

Insurance company an revenue, and insurance lobby.

[@PatrickRKay]

There no need too

[@PaendaTube]

I guess BYD is trying to make easy sales when xi's company starts trying to gather all the Canadian driver data

[@ionut5316]

Jail time for car theft can be amended in minutes, and will produce effects immediately. I don't understand why the gov doesn't want to do this.

[@STEVEARABIA1]

Liberals don’t want people in jail.

[@PWCDN]

They could have built a damn prison from all the insurance money lost to house all these criminals for decades. You have all the insurance companies each pool in 10 million with the government to match, they'd get this figured out in no time. Typical Canadian short-sighted fashion of reactive vs proactive. Profits today, losses tomorrow. Investment into this country 's infrastructure and facilities has been a Canada's major weakness in the last 15 years. Bring in all the immigrants, wheres the new hospitals? Meanwhile MP's making 6 figures doing absolutely nothing off our tax dollars. Canada is just a cash grab for the privileged and the citizens are paying for it.

[@mikek5148]

@@PWCDN CANADA = FOOL'S PARADISE !

[@davidgough4750]

This is not a victimless crime as it affects every car driver in Canada. The insurance of every driver is going up to pay out these claims.

[@PocketsandOutlaw]

"Ohhh noooooo... Your car got stolen? Because of an easily-exploitable vulnerability that we designed? Darn that stinks! Guess you'll just have to buy another one of our cars :^)"

[@catacocamping874]

No way people dont leave there car running in gas stations and leave there cars unlocked never the consumer fault lmao sound like one of them

[@PocketsandOutlaw]

@@catacocamping874 Yep obviously all the thefts are from that. None of them are from relay theft hijacking our poorly-designed "smart" keys and surely none of them are going through the easily-accessed headlight harness to hack the CANbus with an easily-exploited oversight.

[@ruiyangao9255]

wait, did cbc just open up their comments?

[@BoBandits]

I noticed.. whoops..😂

[@Webinthamind]

I think they forgot to lock it lol

[@ruiyangao9255]

@@Webinthamind I guess ms tait fired too many of em for her bonuses

[@EricBoulton26]

A miracle!

[@ronhon100]

In 90's third party alarm systems were very popular. Windows, tilt sensors were basic features, The systems could even disable the cars when detected being stolen, However, when chatting with a Lexus's sales, he warned that the warranty could be voided if installed any third party alarms. What's a joke.

[@Sk3pT1kal82]

I remember a story about someone who had a Lexus RX and installed an anti theft device but when they took it in for service the warranty was voided because of it. So, he removed the device to validate the warranty and then the vehicle was stolen...

[@chrisgraham2904]

There is also a great quality difference and installation difference between various third party alarm and anti-theft devices. It has been reported that a large majority of car fires one ICE vehicles are started by inferior, or improperly installed after market anti-theft systems.

[@janem3575]

another way for car dealerships to make more money

[@ronhon100]

@@janem3575 Also the insurance companies. Give them excuses to raise premiums not only the targeted brands, but every car on the road.

[@sidd62]

It’s huge scam, car manufacturers and insurance companies involved

[@DBeau73]

Toyota, Lexus, Jeep and Honda seems to be prime targets. Guess Ford and GM are not that wanted.

[@umarc9767]

Govt and police is involved too! No joke, not possible without that.

[@ajbudda1038]

😂😂😂

[@brandon8900]

​@@DBeau73 well that's no surprise. They don't want a car that breaks immediately after being stolen.

[@sophiamartin8940]

Blaming the car's manufacturer for the crime is as absurd as blaming phone manufacturers because phones are being stolen all the time.

[@jvssocialmedia2459]

Why aren't governments doing more? We need a serious conversation as well about PR status being given out so easily, as well as the brief period of time before crooks can get citizenship and not be deportable. Also about ideologue judges deciding that holding criminals accountable with guilty verdicts constitutes cruel and unsual punishment because they might be JUSTLY deported. Ten-12 years of crime-free self-sufficient living before PR status (a bit less for high value occupations), 20 before citizenship. Justice system is a joke, but if you are going to be rightfully booted out of the country if you victimize its population it's incentive to not do so.

[@FTTravelstyle]

Why isn’t our government doing more? Not car makers. We should vote for tougher government with stricter laws.

[@raymondthomas1570]

Turd dough has to go

[@thatguy3892]

Also car makers! They're profiting from this as much as thieves are, and the fact you can't get these security features here in Canada means they're well aware of what they have to lose if they even made them optional here.

[@summervibes9931]

CBC news, Thank you for not censoring your funders this time by disabling comments. Sincerely, Canadian Public

[@MysticAngel3224]

This is such an interesting episode of CBC Marketplace, thanks for the amazing work! It is very interesting to learn of the security feature differences of the same vehicle in different markets. Hopefully Canadian legislators can force vehicle manufacturers to do their part.

[@theepanvr]

The fact that Toyota gives you a $1,000 option for a Khill Switch should be included when new. Now that infotainment systems are touchscreen there should be a pin you can enter to start the vehicle etc.

[@desilancer11]

The key question is: How are these stolen cars being successfully shipped out of the country? It seems like quite a few people in the government might be working with these thieves.

[@PaendaTube]

Idk probably China, they are on xi's payroll

[@THEFIRE360]

lmao, you can absolutely arrest your way out of this

[@STEVEARABIA1]

They just need to keep them locked up after the arrest. A federal criminal code issue.

[@brandon8900]

You can't when they're let right back out the next day... The system needs to be completely overhauled.

[@scottr6469]

Oh, you can. The question is how much do you want your provincial taxes to increase to arrest, prosecute and house all these criminals? It's far cheaper to have manufacturers enhance the security on their vehicles.

[@dt8787]

Ah, no.

[@duketogo666]

@@scottr6469 Manufacturer security is one piece, but if you already own vehicle that you plan to drive for the next 5-10 years... we're just all supposed to buy new cars? Also, PIN codes probably just mean more driver kidnappings, beatings, violence ... so you hand it over the PIN, etc. Maybe they'll drive you to the port and ship you to Africa lol...

[@anshide]

Blame the regulations not the manufacturers. If the law says they need to install security features then they will.

[@SharoozI]

a car stolen means another car sold. the govt also gets more tax revenue out of that 👀

[@ronhon100]

Cars stolen also means more revenues for insurance companies, give excuses to raise premiums for not only the target brands, but also every car on the road.

[@admiralbeez8143]

When we were shopping for a new car a few years ago I had four requirements: 1) Must not be a make/brand that includes a vehicle on the lists of top stolen vehicles. 2) Must have a physical, metal ignition key. 3) Must have a manual transmission. 4) Must have an ignition immobilizer #1 meant that Toyota/Lexus, Honda (+Acura), Chevrolet (+GMC/Buick/Cadillac), Dodge (+Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat) Hyundai (+Kia), and Mercedes were out; while BMW, VW, Subaru, Mazda, Mitsubishi and Nissan were in, each with limited manual transmission options in 2019/2020. We did find a vehicle that meets the above four criteria and we’re now at least statistically safer. We never bother to hide the VIN, but we do have a physical steering wheel lock and faraday box for the car keys/fobs. My cousin did the same thing. Bought a base-trim Nissan Qashqai with manual transmission. While it might not be my choice, but no one wants to steal that for anything buy joy riding.

[@anonymoususer5541]

Mercedes is prone to theft, but BMW isn't?

[@viperz22]

Just get a bus ticket then I will not buy a trash vehicle AND STILL buy all the items to protect my vehicle as well. Nope 🙅

[@brandon8900]

So you let car theives dictate which car you buy? And have to get a worse car and driver experience because of it? Man that's sad.

[@MiniatureMasterClass]

I know someone whose car got stolen. Cops told him to call his insurance company not them. LMAO!

[@edteach3r]

If cars are made harder to steal, carjacking increases. We have seen this around the world. The problem can only be solved by guaranteed jail time if you steal a car.

[@aperson1181]

The only point I would like to make is these anti-theft devices are actually worthless. I met a guy who drove a 15-year-old Honda Civic and I asked him how you make sure your car is not stolen, he said I remove the computer module from inside of my Honda and I always take it with me. Although it's bulky, it's the only fail-safe method to prevent theft.

[@Chromgraphy]

... It is NOT the responsibility of the auto manufacturer to "fix" the auto theft problems!!! It is the responsibility of the LAWMAKERS, the COURTS with their USELESS Judges to impose extremely strict LENGTHY sentences with extremely large fines... and immediately eliminate any form of bail!!! "Security" technology will NOT stop auto theft! Always remember, ALL technology created by man, will ALWAYS be DEFEATED by man!!!

[@jessicayoung1190]

Finally someone with common sense .

[@ting280]

they showed they can fix it when it's made their responsibility. the current punative measures have not been a deterrent. making the sentences more draconian won't be either.

[@DB-bw5fz]

@@ting280Blame the want for things like push button start on everything. What was originally a “luxury” and a convenience has led to vehicles becoming far easier for thieves to simply get in and drive away. At a minimum….stealing a vehicle that uses a physical key requires someone to break open the column in order to be able to drive the vehicle away. Combine that key with a passive RFID type immobilizer….and theft becomes inconvenient enough that your vehicle is no longer targeted. Contrast that to smart key relay attacks that can be done quickly and cleanly without raising much suspicion along the way. At the end of the day, it comes down to lawmakers and the justice system punishing criminals properly and deterring crime from that angle. Anything that the manufacturer does that makes the vehicle harder to steal is likely irk owners and authorized operators more than anything else.

[@breakingtoys3542]

The marketplace has done a great job of shedding light on the seriousness of this issue. The damage and the dollar figures are clear, but what’s often overlooked is that the only ones at risk are the officers who have to deal with these criminals. The lack of security in cars shows how safe Canada was. However, recently, a group of entities that belong to a cage has started to exploit this peaceful society. Despite the sudden rise in theft, the car companies know exactly which cars have been stolen and how many are stolen a month. They let this happen because they end up selling more cars. Also, their brands cars end up in countries where there are no dealerships, and world sanctions don’t allow for exporting those vehicles. They like the theft because their cars end up in places where they can’t send cars to and they don’t have to worry about world sanctions. They let the insurance companies and the government handle the aftermath. They still get paid in full for every car. Fixing this problem is very easy, if the insurance bureau of Canada sends a fine for the full price of the car for each car that’s stolen to the manufacturer of the vehicle, then the manufacturer will make these cars steal-proof within a year. Just watch how quickly they make a car that no one can ever steal it.

[@carquestions]

Quite right - Insurance companies could subrogate the claim and make auto companies cover the cost - excellent idea. Insurance companies won't insure a car for road use without a safety check so what's the difference? If the same vehicles in the UK have better software to prevent theft than the same vehicle here (ie 2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee) then why would they insure the car?

[@SteveAgbaneje]

A big assumption here is that the criminals would just give up, they would get more violent and make sure you unlock the car if it means kidnapping you, they would also invest in better hacking skills. Yes cars manufacturers should try to be make it's less likely to be stolen but that shouldnt be something compelled by law.

[@carquestions]

@@SteveAgbaneje Are you kidding? we wouldn't have seat belts, airbags, dual braking systems, safety glass etc if you didn't force them - they fought every one of those technical advancements

[@breakingtoys3542]

@@carquestions absolutely correct Sir. If someone is not agreeing on this, then there is something fishy going on. What worries me, is these officers that have to chase these guys, one single mistake, everything falls apart. You’re absolutely right, my friend. If someone isn’t on the same page, there’s definitely something dodgy going on. And what worries me the most is these officers who have to chase these guys. One little mistake, and everything goes downhill.

[@carquestions]

@@breakingtoys3542 What gets me is this - If there was a bank robbery the Police would include bank employees as suspects until they proved otherwise since there is always a chance it is an inside job. With car theft the leading groups investigating this are insurance companies, their investigators (Equite) and car companies all working with the Police to help solve auto-theft. Real experts on vehicle cybersecurity like Blackberry, Karamba etc are nowhere to be found in this loop. None of them were invited to the annual Auto Theft Summits in Canada. I guess what I'm asking is why aren't the Police asking for independent scientific advice from other parties?

[@beanzbeanz]

If the insurance companies aren’t bothered by this, it’s not a problem. They have all the tools they need to curb auto theft without the police.

[@menelek16bc]

Government officials should be one responsible for not pressuring the manufacturer to do something

[@lalajee143]

Why blur his face.? He is in public and have no expectations of privacy.

[@BTrain-is8ch]

"Why aren't the manufacturers doing more? Why aren't they adding these features?" Same person: "Why are cars so expensive?"

[@ibmtpx24]

So what? The price is set by the car manufacturers and the car dealers. They can call which price they want.

[@NotElvis]

The main problem in Canada is bad guys spoofing the wireless signals that allow cars to be started with a key fob. The technology to prevent this type of theft is easy to implement. Your cell phone has it for tap purchases. So does the chip in your credit and debit card. Auto manufacturers do not want to absorb the cost of the extra encryption infrastructure. Like cigarette companies from 50 years ago, auto manufacturers know about the problem but are doing their best to sidestep their liability. We need class action lawsuits to force them to do what's needed.

[@AdealJustice]

instead of spending billions in waste, just incentivize them to do so. also having a criminal justice system that pursues criminals would help too. People like you only have 2 solutions, big government spending and lawsuits.

[@sophiamartin8940]

You don't get it. Many engineers are part of these criminal gangs . They also have hacking devices to mess with the electronics , then hook the car to another car to pull it in the middle of the night.

[@kevinguise5024]

Car manufacturer benefit from poor security on cars. For every car that is stolen, the insurance company buys another car from the manufacturer to replace it. Car manufacturers get thousands of extra cars sales because of the poor security. Car manufacturers can charge a fortune for the cars, but still keep manufacturing costs down by not installing security hardware. The only way it will change is through government regulations. There should also be way more strict punishments for car thieves. There should not be a revolving door for criminals to get off with little to no punishments.

[@chrisanthony144]

Even if the cops do their job, the criminals would be out the next day. Serious changes need to be made here by the lacking Canadian government.

[@thothfund]

Get tough on car thieves. Vehicle manufacturers are not guilty.

[@anmolagrawal5358]

Okay I gotta say, that channel intro is one of the coolest I've seen

[@clappykyle]

When the answer is simple. Manufacturers don’t want to do anything because your car being stolen means you then have to buy another. Insurance doesn’t care because your car getting stolen means your insurance premium goes up to their benefit. UK has legislation, Canada does not. The government could care less about consumers and their cars.

[@donnaliu2291]

A neighbour's car was stolen just 2 weeks ago during day time in front of his house; they didn't even wait until dark. A family member lost 2 Lexus. So many cars are lost by so many people. Thieves will still find a way to steal cars, so it's better to increase jail time for them.

[@zepher664]

Because they're not being forced to. When have they ever done anything that benefits the consumer without being forced to.

[@alexvillanueva3071]

90%of vehicles stolen in GTA are shipped out from the port of Montreal. How difficult is it to have containers scanned instead of putting on manufacturers which ultimately would be passed on consumers. They just don't want to put a stop to it.

[@CrashTestPilot]

How is this a car manufacturing and not a law enforcement and sentencing problem?

[@SteveAgbaneje]

@@CrashTestPilot asking the same question

[@jenkins5265]

Exactly. Federal govt can pass a bill tomorrow that anyone guilty of car theft will be deported or jailed. If you aren’t a citizen, you will be banned from Canada for life. See how quickly things change.

[@ibmtpx24]

No police have enough resources if all cars are easy to steal.

[@ibmtpx24]

It's always better to take the preventive measure then go with the punishment after the damages are done.

[@thatguy3892]

Because the manufacturers are profiting (borderline encouraging) thefts. Why are they only putting these security features on vehicles when they have to? Why aren't those features, at the very least, optional here? Because a car stolen is another car sold. FWIW CBC has already done a marketplace video on the law side of the equation and didn't consider the manufacturers at all. So both sides of the equation has gotten equal air time.

[@tyreefha7862]

I live in south Florida…I’ve had 2 cars stolen in the 15 years I’ve been driving. I definitely agree the manufacturers need to do something

[@carquestions]

Chrysler had a PIN to drive for 2021 Dodge Chargers! It was a 5 minute software fix - but they only put it in 260 cars then called the cars back and removed the software

[@playsomething4029]

Speaking of Chrysler and Dodge, you noticed how Jeep *dodged* the question when they asked why their standards are different 8:08 😆 At least Lexus and Land Rover gave an actual answer the first time

[@carquestions]

@@playsomething4029 It's their standard goto reply - what the general public doesn't understand is that they have to comply with UN R155 UK / Euro standards if they want to sell cars there so they are more than well aware what they need to get the Jeep GC and the RAM and the Wrangler off Canada's top 10 stolen cars list - funny thing is it's only software changes - not hardware - the latest Canadian 2024 JGC offers glass break and tilt now - so they can out and out lie as well

[@viperz22]

😮😮😮😮

[@michaelwelter7781]

Thank you for bringing this to light and speaking up, i worry everyday about my vehicle being stolen

[@CedroCron]

If it affects a politician personally it gets fixed, otherwise don't waste your breath. We over pay them far too much and they don't care. While these politicians live the high-life at all our expense we continue to suffer in all sorts of areas of quality of life in this country. These segments are a waste of time, nothing will change. Our government is far too bloated to give a darn! When media actually holds them to account and I don't mean just asking them some hard questions at one or two news conferences, but truly hold them to account like a dog on a bone like way back in the day then maybe things will change. Until then this is all just theatre and nothing more!

[@---ghsthenkurissi---]

How canada have this much criminals?

[@newsandviews4595]

Peel police is where that giant Humongous biggest gold heist ever in Canada happened at the airport and then they vanished into the Halton region never to be seen again. And that crime Kim unraveled finally thanks to the Intrepid Eyes the simple far less paid than a Toronto Canadian police in the US states american cops keep solving Canadian crimes because I just don't understand why you guys pay your cops so much why they get away with not doing a whole lot. It's not a good image Ontario

[@trevorlindey]

I have my hands on an internal memo from Toyota and Lexus Canada to all service managers at Toyota and Lexus dealerships. It states that if you install an aftermarket system the customers warranty will be void, if leased run the risk of repossession or if financed have the loan called in. I sent this memo to CBC Marketplace back in August. This needs to be made public. I almost had my Tundra stolen from my driveway. 10 days earlier my father had his Rav4 stolen from a different part of the city. Manufacturers won't do anything because it means they make more sales. The Canadian government needs to force manufacturers to do better and if they won't hold them accountable and allow vehicle owners to install aftermarket systems instead. Watching this episode is making me so mad to learn that the UK sells some of the same cars we have here in Canada but they have theft systems as standard equipment and we don't. Literally fuming seeing this!!!

[@thatguy3892]

Can you post the memo?

[@r.1599]

Using buttons in the cars as a "PIN" or the car won't start, is genius. Even if the car is jacked and shipped to another country, that entire system would have to be carefully removed, making it harder to sell.

[@pwatom22]

As most commentators say... Need to increase the jail time for the thieves.

[@teardowndan5364]

Making computer-based cars harder to steal shouldn't be difficult: implement stronger cryptography between the keys and essential modules that cannot be bypassed by scan tools. One possible downside is this would make it a whole lot more difficult to program new keys if you lost or fried your original ones.

[@carquestions]

They have the technology and do use it quietly once in a while - lots of examples - PIN on the 2021 Dodge Enhanced vehicle security system - but they buried it - Cheers!

[@dcross6360]

Why isnt the government doing more?

[@DamienMalakay]

i'm gonna get a GPS tracker device for my Geo Metro this second! thanks CBC

[@davidlesley1328]

Excellent exposé of how Canada could do more for us Canadians

[@DuyNguyen-xk3pb]

If they are not required to install them because of our legislation. Why would the manufacturers install them and increase their overhead costs?

[@thatguy3892]

You mean "... and eliminate a revenue source?"

[@allanj4576]

Why isn’t our government doing more?

[@Truthasvictim]

Why buy a house with a garage if you aren;t going to use it?

[@cruisinguy6024]

LOTS of people use the garage for other things. Or maybe they already have a car inside. Or who knows how many other situations

[@duketogo666]

Probably because tiny houses and tiny garages are the norm these days. You might get your car into the garage, but then you probably can't open the doors lol. Garage sizes have steadily shrunk over time. Vehicle sizes have steadily gone up. Does not compute.

[@stevew1851]

Here's a thought. LOCK the Doors...

[@cherylsibson2529]

Pin numbers and proper tracking systems already exist on phones, some already use finger print technology, and or on housing pin numbers consumers can purchase, apply the same security, or lock box pin systems on vehicles so that tires aren't movable. I think it will get so bad, that eye imaging will be a thing of the future to keep your house, your vehicles safe, or simply take the bus, and improve ridership, they don't steal buses, too big to ship.

[@hoomee119]

In my view, the best way to encourage car manufacturers to make vehicles harder to steal is for auto insurers to announce that, starting from a specified date, insurance premiums on newly purchased and registered vehicles will be 50% higher, or a non-refundable theft deductible equal to 10% of the vehicle's cost will be required upfront. This would discourage buyers from purchasing these vehicles unless dealerships cover the additional costs, which they would likely avoid, pushing manufacturers to take responsibility by implementing effective anti-theft measures.

[@beautanner8409]

That guy said he came to Canada 22 years ago because it was "safe". This isn't the same country as 22 years ago.

[@roxorz007]

Its all about money, You buy car, car gets stolen then you get money to buy another car. Car manufactures are loving this because they get to keep making more cars for people to buy which eventually get stolen.

[@dhruminshah623]

Government and the law enforcement are to be blamed. Expecting from solution from the manufacturer is passing the buck.

[@TinaCarter-lm1yo]

Its truly sad that there are car theifs stealing car... people work hard for what they buy.. there need to be serious penalties for stealing cars for real...

[@andrewweir5153]

Why aren't police and law doing more.

[@L21458]

Very little resources to dedicate

[@STEVEARABIA1]

The liberal government dropped mandatory minimum sentences about 5 years ago. This started then.

[@rubynurpur]

Manufacturers will do when they do but why don’t the authorities do something to arrest this menace.

[@marknagle-vi7og]

The other half of the problem is Canadas shipping Ports. Why can’t they X-ray shipping containers like they do at our land borders?

[@duketogo666]

Volume. Resources.

[@vtNew]

Why didn't the car theft victims not having a lawsuit against the manufacturers to pressured them to make vehicles less easy for them to get stolen? Especially, we got face recognition, finger print or passwords to prevented stolen from happening ?

[@SteveAgbaneje]

I hope the Gov is not thinking of passing laws for car manufacturers to make cars harder to steal, instead of stopping the actual theft. What is going to happen is that the cars will get more expensive and theft would be more violent.... Stop and jail the criminals

[@scottr6469]

Hmm. A one time fee on the purchase of a new car every 10yrs or our taxes going up indefinitely to arrest, prosecute, and house prisoners? I think I'll take the minor surcharge on the vehicle.

[@SteveAgbaneje]

@@scottr6469 so many assumptions you have made 1. You assume that if the cars have more safety features then thieves would just give up, not necessarily they might become more violent and force drivers to unlock the car, they are already breaking into people's homes, they also might also improve their hacking skills. If you properly jail criminals it would deter others thereby reducing the future cost of potential arrest. Not all government intervention produce the desired outcome

[@scottr6469]

@@SteveAgbaneje I mean no offense when I say this, but your first and latest comments are also based on assumptions. You assume that the crime will become increasingly violent, but they already are and have been and that was long before the backlogs in the courts. You're assuming people that commit those crimes are fearful of the consequences but violent criminals simply are not. You've also assumed that increasing vehicle security won't cause thieves to be more innovative. Here I agree with you. Where there is a will there is a way. However, there are a near limitless amount of possibilities that car manufacturers can affordably implement that can greatly reduce the volume of vehicles that are stolen. You can't eliminate theft, but they are doing almost nothing to make it less convenient for the thieves. Your last sentence summed it up perfectly, "not all government intervention has the desired outcomes." I can't think of a time when more prisons ever increased a positive outcome. In fact, we actually have more prisons now than we did 25yrs ago and car theft was worse then than it is right now. If you want to lower car theft, you have to make it more inconvenient for organized crime to steal a car. Most of the thefts are nonviolent, performed by nonviolent thieves that discovered how easy and lucrative it is to steal an automobile right outta your laneway, in under a minute at that. To assume that the person that is sophisticated enough to pull that off is likely the same type of criminal that will pull a gun on you in a shopping mall parking lot is foolish.

[@SteveAgbaneje]

@@scottr6469 the catch and release is the major problem, if the thieves are in jail how would the cars be stolen?? There's no incentive to not steal. Not advocating for more government, just remove the catch and release laws and see car theft drop

[@joshp6549]

There were less cars stolen in the old days when you could start them with a screwdriver. Now they have chip keys, alarms, etc. and more cars are stolen than ever before. The issue is honesty and soft justice system not the car.

[@playsomething4029]

Great reporting as usual from CBC

[@jakeliu5725]

Not why can’t car makers, it’s why can’t the government doing more

[@georgedrake1430]

Cops know where they are what crate there in at Montreal port but they are all into it together

[@newsandviews4595]

Exactly the cops are showing three times in this video they're not willing to do anything to stop it so if they can't stop it if they won't make an arrest they won't let you do citizens arrest so criminals know this this is why the mafia is flourishing up there

[@plantmama7442]

💯💯 so sad…

[@rafalklepinski7372]

This glacial government works on a timescale of decades. What do they actually do over there? This should've been done 10 years ago at least.

[@alexsenoga4658]

Min 15 years in jail and take there house. Or else they are just wasting time collecting overtime.

[@markyzquiksilver]

One car stolen is another car sold. The automakers want thieves to steal more!

[@SociallyAwkward-h5h]

Do you all remember that GMC SUV that was stolen from Toronto and sent to Dubai - to the point that the guy hired someone from there to verify the VIN number as it sat in the parking lot? Why did he not get his car back? I remember the cops saying "we can't do anything". Look, I am all for anti-theft and getting thieves arrested but getting the cars back (when you have the evidence,) should also be priority. I do find it strange that a few months ago, cops weren't willing to go near a shipping container and now all of a sudden they are. What changed?

[@bjsimon802]

they dont want to do anything, Trudeau is marxist, who want to destroy this country

[@cmartin1170]

Incoming elections

[@hbarudi]

Dubai? Why no contact about the issue with Dubai police?

[@SociallyAwkward-h5h]

@@hbarudi I don't know but YYZ police were literally standing next to the container because the owner of the truck put two air tags in the SUV. So the cops here, new the exact location as it traveled from YYZ to YUL before departing for Europe and ending up in Dubai. Why didn't they do something instead of saying they "can't". SUPER SUS.

[@next-genleap3533]

It's hilarious how the actual thieves get away with absolutely no punishment whatsoever.

[@KILLKING110]

the whole keyless car fad is a big factor in this as all it takes is a relay attack or someone reprogramming the car to a new keyless fob to steal it there's a reason things like chipped keys made thieves lives miserable

[@doowroh]

There's barely any punishment for stealing in Canada.

[@Nooneyouknow141]

My phone works with my face 100% of the time. Have Apple build security for them.

[@carquestions]

Car companies have patented the same security feature and more years ago - they just haven't used them

[@MathieuLLF]

No thanks.

[@carquestions]

@@MathieuLLF ya I agree - hacking that with a picture should be easy enough

[@Nooneyouknow141]

Nope. Can’t hack my phone with a picture.

[@alexwalker9721]

CBC at its finest, instead of asking about the root cause, which is crime surge and lack of accountability, they try to shift the blame on car makers😂

[@YuriTereshyn]

That blurred plate fade at 9:05 🔥🔥

[@afeudale]

Good job CBC! This is very easy now - the info is out there on which are the easiest brands to steal. Just don't buy those brands. Buy the brands/models that have all these features making them difficult to steal. Manufacturer's are complicit in this...

[@mikeg.9901]

Transpo. Minister Anand is from India which explains everything why this pressing matter is getting addressed on a 'snail' pace. She and her team must be investigated by RCMP for possible involvement.

[@doswatch]

I guess she grew up in Canada, but is still called Indian! btw, most RCMP folks are white, why aren't they able to stop this menace according to you? Pls enlighten us..

[@boweandrew3]

Amazing there needs to be security in cars here in the us as well great reporting

[@jeffgroves4533]

A year ago, I decided to hide an AirTag in my vehicle, it does a pretty good job at tracking. It’s every location. If my vehicle ever gets stolen, bet you I’m going out to look for it myself.

[@MichaelD8393]

That's what I plan to do when I get my new car soon.

[@edteach3r]

Unfortunately, unless you hack it, an AirTag alerts the thief that there is an AirTag following them. I found this out when my ebike was stolen. 😭 Of course, there are fewer places to hide an AirTag on a bicycle.

[@MichaelD8393]

@@edteach3r How does it alert the thief, with a sound? And would you know how to hack it?

[@edteach3r]

@@MichaelD8393 It pops up on your iPhone (which, as I learnt, they all carry) that you are being followed by an AirTag. It is an anti-stalking feature. As far as hacking goes, there are YT videos on this… I have not done it before, but it requires you opening it up and removing the speaker so that they cannot locate the actual AirTag to remove it. There are similar options as AirTag on the market that are stealth, but they typically require a subscription. Cars have many places to hide an AirTag, which bicycles don’t, as placing an AirTag in the frame blocks its functionality.

[@jeffgroves4533]

@@edteach3r yes that’s right, I’ve hidden mine where you could literally never find it, and hoping that notification letting them know an AirTag is following them would be enough to get them to ditch the car.