Stop Overpaying for DeWALT, FLEX, Ridgid, and Milwaukee Tool Batteries!

Discover the smarter way to save on power tools with VCG Construction's latest video, "Stop Overpaying for DeWALT, FLEX, Ridgid, and Milwaukee Tool Batteries!" Join Vince as he dives into the benefits of pouch lithium battery-powered packs, a game-changing technology for your DeWALT, Ridgid, FLEX, and Milwaukee tools.
In this in-depth guide, Vince explains how pouch lithium batteries stand out from traditional cylindrical cell packs. Learn why these battery packs, despite their higher initial cost, are a smart investment that will save you money in the long run. Not only do they offer better performance and durability, but their cost-effectiveness over time is unbeatable.
We'll break down the cost comparisons and show you the clear financial benefits of switching to pouch lithium battery packs. Plus, Vince will provide practical tips on how to maximize your tool's performance and battery life with these advanced battery technologies.
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[@VCGConstruction]

Your USING the WRONG Tape Measure! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIGQqGmFeMdsq7s

[@brandonhoffman4712]

Nope!

[@OldSchoolDad]

Comparing full retail to full retail, the math makes sense to buy the pouch lithium, but with so many good deals where you get free batteries, I'm not so sure. I bought a Milwaukee M18 Fuel SAWZALL that came with 2 of the 6.0HO's and 1 of the 8.0HO's for $269 at HD. The SAWZALL is normally $200, so I got the 3 batteries for $69. Those 3 batteries will get about as many charges as the Forge battery (about 1200). The Forge 6.0 costs $179. So the 3 HO batteries end up being $0.06 per charge vs. $0.15 per charge for the Forge. I think there's still some value to be gotten from the HO batteries if you find them on sale or in bundles.

[@blakecraft5143]

Something I believe helps batteries last longer is don’t leave them charging if they’re charged. Take them off the charger and don’t let them die all the way

[@brandonhoffman4712]

Any good charger doesnt apply voltage to a full cell. There is something to be said about full depletion, but the tools also dont fully deplete the cells. A fully depleted li-ion is a hazard and most chargers wont charge an "undervolt cell" Pouch cell technology comes from the drone market/RC market. For drones, power to weight matters, and the heaviest thing is the battery. Batteries really have a "C" rating, which denotes the power rating. 1C = 1×C(capacity Ah) so a 5.0Ah cell @ 1C = 5.0 amp max output and .5 amp max charging. Standard for a cylindrical cell is 3C. Standard for a pouch would be 10-15C but goes over 30C.

[@jonathanhench9726]

most of my batteries were purchased prior to the pouch being out. I have bought more cylindrical cell batteries since but that because of the killer deals. I run mobile service and install for generators and can't always plug in so more batteries is better to me than fast recharge. I will start buying them when I see deals on them but that will likely be a while.

[@donaldshimkus539]

Invest in a 2000 watt inverter to run your chargers from your vehicle battery when no power is available. 😉

[@villageidiot8718]

What you're describing sounds like the Lithium Polymer batteries we use in RC models.

[@kurtzFPV]

It does. And it seems like they would be more volatile than the cylindrical cells. I'd be interested to see the safety comparison and the track record since release.

[@nickp3270]

Thank you for making videos like this because although I already know this I see a lot of people shopping for tools who are lost or confused and do not know what to buy they often just buy what can be easily found and when I started out I watched all your videos before spending any big amount of money and I learned so much from you so no matter what the haters say you are helping people out here I am just one example

[@VCGConstruction]

Glad you like the Nick, thanks!

[@OOMAN]

For the DIY stuff I do these days (not nearly as frequently as back in the day), the DeWalts I have, have held up great. I have 4-6AH XR's that are 4-8 years old now that still perform. I've only ever had one fail on me. If I need new ones, I would probably try the Power Stacks. We'll see when we start some big projects at my son's new house this summer! I'll also get to play with his Milwaukee tools to see how I like them. Higher battery capacity also means you need fewer batteries, less weight to lug around, and less room taken up in your boxes!

[@Freddie2598]

I use both DeWalt and Milwaukee on 7 work trailers and 2 HVAC step vans and I have no problems with both brands and my guys like both as well …🇺🇸👊🏼👊🏼🪚🔨

[@jayg6857]

Good stuff. I think your math terms are a bit off. If you have 300 charge cycles vs 1200 charge cycles you have 4 times the charge cycles, not 400 times more charge cycles. If you had 400 times more charge cycles you'd have 120,000 charge cycles. Still, very good info to know about the flat pack differences vs. cylindrical cells.

[@OOMAN]

@@Freddie2598 I've only tried one of his impacts & drills. Seemed fine, was just awkward to have to push an electronic button to select/reverse speed. Guess It's what you're used to. I prefer the mechanical switches.

[@GrabLifeByDaPoosy]

@@jayg6857 He meant 300% - 400% more. He misspoke.

[@thetoolmat8632]

So I have now have hourly job chargers and bid job chargers, got it! 😀 - I will say I didn’t trust “Pouch” tech for a while now, especially in my Large 100ah 12v batteries, this makes me rethink that..

[@stevenwaibel6856]

Nice one Vince, I didn't know about the forge line of batteries to be honest. I always thought the high output was the way to go, I'm glad you made this video!

[@VCGConstruction]

Glad to help

[@frankmmiii]

I just went out yesterday (Sunday) and bought one. Thanks Vince.

[@dpjazzy15]

Cylinder cells are going to be heavier and bigger. However, a few companies are producing packs with 21700 tabless cells. They shouldn't have issues with heat, charge/discharge speed, but they're still going to take up more space and they'll be a little heavier, seeing as they're each inside an aluminum casing. However, the pouch cells might not last as long, depending on the pack itself. Pouch cells swell and expand as they age. If they're stored properly, so they can't expand too much, they could be better, given weight and space. Cylinder cells do a good job of containing the chemistry and prevent expansion.

[@daifeichu]

I heard that a 12.0 Forge is coming out using cylinder tabless cells. Agree that pouch cells do expand. I've seen it happen in a couple different devices.

[@dpjazzy15]

@@daifeichu ya, I think cylinders are just tougher and don't have as many issues with temperature. But they cant compete with the space efficiency of pouch cells.

[@mrbigberd]

Pouch cells are mostly a scam. There’s reasons a company like Tesla will go out of their way to design custom cells, but stick with cylinders. That “extra” weight from the surrounding metal isn’t extra. It transfers the heat to the sides of the battery. Pouch cells only work well in thin systems like phones and laptops. Stack a bunch on top of each other like they do in tool batteries and the internal temps will get out of control after just a short time of use. The solution for this is shoving metal layers between pouches to transfer heat, but that negates a lot of the advantages. Cylinder cells using standard sizes are serviceable at battery shops potentially giving a lot more years of use. Bosch skipped pouch batteries in favor of tabless and I think you’re correct about that being the best way forward.

[@dpjazzy15]

@@mrbigberd I wouldn't call them a scam lol! But they certainly have some drawbacks. If they can get a better chemistry in there, they could be superior. They DO have greater energy density, as they can use near if not 100% of the volume.

[@mrbigberd]

@@dpjazzy15 The chemistry in cylinders has also improved over the years. The energy density doesn't seem like it's any better in a practical sense because of the cooling issue. They build up heat in the core of the battery that hurts discharge rates and lowers the battery's overall charge cycles. Notice that the really big batteries haven't been released yet as they have even worse heat buildup issues. The tech could take over one day, but most of the claimed stuff is just marketing (eg, DeWalt marketing). Why don't their 21700 batteries have as many charge cycles? because they didn't want to pay for that level of performance. 50% more power? Not vs tabbed batteries like Bosch's new core+. 50% more efficient? Also not vs tabbed batteries. I think there's a LOT of potential for pouch batteries in the sub-4ah form factor though as these are thin enough to dissipate heat without the need for lots of cooling between cells. Milwaukee, Ridgid, or Bosch 12v in particular could benefit a lot from shoving a bit more battery into the handle or making the handle a bit thinner.

[@pgirard26]

Dewalt tool user here. The ONLY time I buy kits is if I can verify that not only is the battery worth owning, but the charger as well. Since I have hit the tipping point as a cordless tool owner, I own the highest amp chargers (fanless) along with a mix of Powerstack and 21700's. A few of my lower amp cylindrical cells (4A and 5A) literally never get used and should be sold. Thanks Vince for another video with great information.

[@rauljr9869]

Great details you shared & visually showed us the differences between the battery types! Keep educating us!

[@VCGConstruction]

Thank you! Will do!

[@slinger5206]

Great video! Thanks for the info i am definitely going to go with the these newer battery packs on my next purchase. One thing, whats with the 2 pairs of glasses? Little weird.

[@georgeferlazzo7936]

Hello again, Vince and Vcg Thank you for another Great Video 👍 I 've been researching for information about the batteries. Thank you 😊 What about the warranties and how does that work? Again thank you

[@kristoferfc6525]

I'm in the IT field, I was well aware of it when I heard there was talk of a Milwaukee pouch style battery coming out. I knew exactly what field of tech it came from so I was excited! Thanks for the video! Hopefully with more exposure they'll sell more and the price will go down

[@VCGConstruction]

Right on

[@Chronical1201]

@VCG Constuction , great video Vince much appreciated for the information you show on the new battery technologies and how the pouch cells work and it helps me explain to the wife how I can buy the new forge batteries for my Milwaukee tools and make it worth the while, so thank you for the great job you do at letting the uninformed learn at a simple pace with a easy explanation

[@VCGConstruction]

Glad it was helpful!

[@scuddrunner1]

I must have a dozen of 6 amp DeWalts in a pile that don't work. The issue is when they get wet it fry's out the electronics in the battery. I wish they made them waterproof. Good video!

[@mikem9953]

I was waiting for someone to mention this on DeWalts. Between the shop floor at the company I worked for (100 cordless’s, changing brands about once every year or two) friends and my brother inlaws pile of dead DeWalt batteries, to me it’s so obvious DeWalt batteries don’t last. Coincidence? Am I missing something?

[@mattwaters6987]

Good information Vince. Thanks for sharing! 👍

[@VCGConstruction]

Thanks for watching!

[@josephbasanta]

A dirty little secret is that the pouch packs come from the Drone world originally and they are advised to keep them in an explosion-resistant bag when not in the actual drone. Buyer beware

[@psychic1999]

Pouch batteries ran in RC before drones were a thing. I have been doing RC racing for a few decades and I can tell you even the newest prismatic batteries are prone to swelling and the reason why you don't have large ones is because as they stack any displacement of a swollen cell will destroy the pack upon deflection and that is why the packs themselves are not much smaller. I have a feeling that when tabless become a thing pouch cells will be relegated to small and lower voltage packs where they belong at highly inflated prices. It is hilarious because pouch cells cost less to make than cylindrical cells. I mean you can just see tesla evolve and see it in action.

[@unlisted-profile]

Youre a legend, this information is super important for people

[@user-hx9yw3ln4b]

Great Info! Not well known to the public, or at least me. Thanks !!

[@VCGConstruction]

Thanks, appreciate it! 👍🏻

[@shawnmsattler2116]

I knew the stack was better but didn't do the math on the flex on per charge, good vid

[@VCGConstruction]

I would sometimes talk about this during livestreams and people asked me to do a stand alone video, I think it’s a worth while topic. Thanks Shawn!

[@johndalessandro6433]

What about the ridgid?? Bro gimme some love man!!

[@kstaxman2]

Love your deep dives and information.

[@WillDavies37]

Very informative video, I get the point about charge cycles and the lifetime cost of the battery, however in the UK they are still priced too high vs HO. 6.0ah forge 250% more ££ than a 5.5ah (EU version of 6.0HO). They’re also 120% more ££ than 12ah HO. In terms of lifecycle cost they look very attractive vs 12ah but pitched against the 5.5ah (6ahHO) they are only 25% cheaper per cycle. But I can afford to have two 5.5ah batteries for the price on one 6ah Forge. This halves the lifecycle cost of the 5.5ah as I’m splitting the load between two batteries making the 5.5 effectively 60% cheaper per cycle.

[@notta3d]

I've been overpaying? I've been watching these guys on KZbin for years that send me notifications and new videos just about every day about the great deals I can get at Home Depot and Lowes? Now you're telling me I've been overpaying?

[@VCGConstruction]

If you’ve been watching then you already know all this information because I say it all the time during livestreams but knew I’d reach a different audience if a made a stand alone video! NEVER PAY FULL PRICE FOR TOOLS! 👍🏻

[@jamesrosa2317]

3M safety/ sport glasses.

[@garywolff5812]

Very good information. Thank you !

[@VCGConstruction]

Thanks for watching!

[@freddycugarjr]

Great video tyvm sir!

[@VCGConstruction]

You bet

[@kc0lif]

very informative channel. thanks.

[@VCGConstruction]

Glad you think so cuz!

[@JacobOverman]

Also not to mention on the subject of getting more and more charges with the pouch lithium. I have multiple 5ah XR batteries from 2019-2020. Charged many many times. I have never had a battery dwindle away at a rate worth noticing. It’s always failure from a drop, randomly quit charging, stuff like that. Although I can only recall 2 2ah batteries that I’ve had fail, 1 3ah and 1 flex volt 9ah. All of them did the same thing. Quit charging.

[@ron1martens]

It would be interesting the ruggedness of these battery stack packs. Say for instance using an angle grinder which is high output. I dropped a cell on my hikoki 36 multi volt. I'm looking to get a cordless concrete grinder. I know hilti does one although not yet available in western australia. I may send hikoki a line and see what they can come up with. Or metabo and makita. I have the makita xgt 40 volt platfom and metabo. Great video Vince.

[@mattreyes1026]

@VCG Vince doing HERO work 🦸🏻‍♂️🙌

[@VCGConstruction]

Thanks cuz!

[@xtrareviewsandstuff4610]

I use craftsman v20 batteries amd I love them. I have 2 2ah 3 or 4 4ah. 5 tools. And I love the craftsman v20 line!

[@lowsky7540]

I just bought 2 power stack 5ah battery’s. They both broke during their first use. Both manufactured in 04/2023 purchased new 04/2024. I read more complaints about the power stack than I have ever seen for another battery. I’m going to stick with the older XR batteries.

[@garyvaughan2648]

Do your calculations include the cost of power used to charge? This would be usefull if you were comparing to corded tools.

[@toddlehew115]

When do you think dewalt might come out with an 8 10 or 12 ah pouch battery?

[@Shortytools]

The only thing I hate about flex is the chargers are so big man. Other then that great power I have been using flex for a couple years now no complaints here.

[@ytzyt]

I have a question, doesn't fast charge (or super charge) shortens life spam of the battery? I've seen videos about uber drivers super charge their car daily result in battery dying super early and having to be replaced. I'm wondering those 1200 cycle is normal charge or on super charge?

[@marlow769]

How can you tell by looking at the battery if it’s packed/packet lithium or cylinder…or did I miss that part?

[@srhintz]

I'm not sure I can take advise from someone wearing only two pairs of glasses. I like to see at least three or preferably four pairs worn before I'm convinced.

[@michaeldumke7066]

Vince, great video!! I'm a black &yellow guy but it's awesome to see everyone is going pack. I really was living in a bubble because I thought only dewalt had the packs. It was just more in my face, props to dewalt for the name power stack and visual on the battery. But like you pointed out it's hard to tell on the other lines who is stacked. Great video. I love the cost breakdown, I never knew you could get that much more life out if them. Thanks I'm sold on them now even more than ever. Now that HD and Lowes are giving away free batteries with tools. Keep up the great work in front camera and the people behind the scenes, thanks for making it all happen.

[@thekingsilverado3266]

I'm just hoping my old lady don't come home from work and see this. She's always shopping for new more powerful ah tools. She got a whole dresser drawer stuffed full of her ah tools...

[@ricardocuevas2245]

Hey Vince! great advice! I am DeGang team~!!!🙂😂🤣 But switched to stack ftw! IT just makes sense, and power! Keep the vids coming ma man!

[@VCGConstruction]

You rock!

[@alanbeighton5296]

I’ve been using the dewalt powerstack they are very good I have now swapped all my dewalt battery’s to powerstack

[@VCGConstruction]

Sweet, how you liking them so far?

[@alanbeighton5296]

@@VCGConstruction they hold up really well last very well can’t fault them one bit

[@greatdaneacdc]

I’ve had Milwaukee 18v since 2012 . I’ve had 5 drills screw up . I have lots of their tools . I’m done with their drills going to try flex

[@creepyunclephil]

I mean... Once I need more batteries, I'll consider it, but I have a shitload of cell batteries laying around, and they honestly work just fine. Once I pop a flexvolt into my "flexvolt advantage" DeWalt circ saw, that thing just goeeees

[@josephrottina1901]

Great info, my brother, you are the man.👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@VCGConstruction]

Much appreciated Joseph!

[@Bay0Wulf]

As it stands currently, I get most of my batteries during sales deals where the tool/batteries come together (Tool, 2 Batteries, Charger) often for less than the Tool or a Tool Battery ALONE costs. I’ve got 9 batteries and only one was bought as just a battery … I have too many chargers if that’s possible … I can see why Milwaukee Forge is 1:1 a “better” deal but, until they start packaging them into deals, I’ll continue to routinely carry 5 batteries and a charger in one of their freebie soft sided tool cases and run their Drill, Grinder, Circular &/or Sawzall, 1/2” Impact Hammer ALL DAY LONG without experiencing any Lack of Power. When the deals begin I can see choosing deals that include Forge Batteries but the relatively small increases gained vs the much higher $ don’t get me past the economic “hump”.

[@jpnphom5470]

Didn't watch you for a while...dude you jacked up!

[@josephmalinowski6817]

VCG CONSTRUCTION Vince God bless everyone 🙏🇺🇸 I actually had to delete my comment because I should have watched the whole video first because if I wanted to do that it answered my question. Thank you brother brother

[@MAD450r2]

Whatcabout flexvolt for dewalf. Is it worth it. I have dcs389 i believe it is. For other stuff i do have few powerstacks but they dont work of 60 volt tools

[@johnpaulcomptoniicompton5458]

Thanks, good to know.

[@crazysquirrel9425]

Do they make M12 forge battery packs that my current charger will recharge?

[@andrewhingley4569]

Vince, can you do some videos on Metabo HPT multivolt line

[@khamlakeovilay9216]

Thanks man.

[@jorgevazquez-fernandez6628]

Vic gettin those gainzz 💪😎

[@NIAtoolkit]

One solution is to label peak and sustained power (in watts) as shown on the FLEX stacked lithium

[@michaelharrison2775]

Okay I didn't get to the end of the video so you may have covered this but you know it doesn't say flax or cylinder on the battery pack when you go look at it to buy it

[@DiPo-ks5io]

Thank you for enlightening me and the world about this substantial savings... I will now keep my eyes open to they types of batteries I am buying with my tool.

[@mjc8761]

Good info 👍

[@VCGConstruction]

Thanks!

[@wiredperformance6130]

I have Milwaukee and dewalt batteries from 2016 that last as long as brand new equal ah batteries. I’m a mechanic that enjoys woodworking on weekends. Maybe there is a reason.

[@leeit2me]

We drone fliers use Lipo battery packs and it does pack a punch and does have a higher discharge rate. but we kill lipo (puffed) packs all the time. once one of the cell pack is puffed, the whole pack is done.. and it's a pain to replace as well. which is why we just chuck it out. don't know why they charging so much for these lipo packs. I would rather stick with 18650 or 21700 lion instead of lipo cells.

[@johnduke7861]

I wish I have known this a couple weeks ago. just bought several 12.0 batteries. I would have bought the new forge.

[@ricqik]

Great information

[@VCGConstruction]

Glad you liked it

[@robertpaget809]

Here in the uk the standard 5ah battery is £55 the powerstack 5ah is £95 each ,so here it pays to get old

[@TheHandystanley]

Is POUCH available for the M12 platform?

[@bttfdmc1984]

I know you just had it for demonstrations with the 2 RIDGID batteries since they don't have a pouch battery (yet) It will be intresting to see once the Max Output EXP tabless Battery (4Ah) is out to see how well it really compares to it's tabbed versions while still using the current cylindrical batteries. I'm guessing those batteries are coming out soon within the next month or 2 with all the RIDGID batterie and heavy draw tool sales going on.

[@VCGConstruction]

EXP batteries are breathing new life in to Ridgid right now!

[@nathanhood8578]

@@VCGConstruction I’m about to Buy some Rigid batteries now they have 2 regular 18volt 4Ah for $80 or what else would be better?

[@ryanwaterman4010]

Where are you getting these batteries? One flex 6 ah battery stacked is 250 bucks

[@7thsignthenorthcoast146]

If it gives power faster . Doesn’t that mean the battery will die even faster ? This for meaning you would have to charge more

[@markhou]

You could also buy 3rd party batteries and use corded tools when you need power

[@COSpacegunner]

Will the older, lower-powered chargers still charge the pouch batteries; albeit, slower, or does one need to purchase a new charger (expensive)?

[@VCGConstruction]

Yes, they’re backwards compatible

[@richardefriend]

I'm guessing that the cost per charge cycle analysis doesn't apply to Ridgid, since their batteries (under Ridgid's LSA) never expire.

[@crazysquirrel9425]

I have an old drill that uses nicad batteries. How can I convert it to modern batteries without buying all new batteries and charger?

[@autumnjeserich2689]

I'm going to keep using cylindrical cell batteries until there's more long term analysis of pouch cells. In most applications the pouch cell has a shorter lifespan than the cylindrical cell counterpart, they're also more likely to explode than cylindrical cell and if I get injured and can't work, then the cost per charge of the battery is irrelevant. Not to say it doesn't look promising and the benefits are really there. I just want to see the long term data first as I'm not having any issues with cylindrical cell packs. The reduced weight for my gen 3 fuel high torque would be nice but that gun is only there for the apocalyptic torque situation or removing wheels.

[@AtanasPaunoff]

I have watched the whole video and 21700 cell battery weren't mentioned. I have heard that some batteries with 21700 cells perform better than pouch based ones...

[@rob-toolsandtech2521]

Nice breakdown. I’m wondering when we’re gonna see flexvolt stackpacks. Seems like the next logical step for DeWalt.

[@VCGConstruction]

Great point!

[@valhalla6ix341]

I was wondering why ridgids 4ah have been crazy discounted lately must be coming with a new pack soon

[@FLOODK9]

Great information The coffee you drink must be super strong be careful I just went to the er for that reason Have a great day

[@DominikV235]

Metabo is great but I gravitate with Makita LXT 18V because it has big tool choice

[@Todd-jn7yn]

I had the same problem with the stacked pack. Not reliable

[@SomeOneHasToWork]

Real good explanation of battery technology

[@thekingsilverado3266]

I got friends and neighbors that will no longer charge batteries in their homes garages and work shops. People are not getting enough information. Most people around here are going back to corded tools.

[@deke6138]

Do you need a special charger for the newer batteries

[@VCGConstruction]

All backwards compatible

[@dethmaul]

You look very familiar. Did you do a whistleblower type video about Milwaukee or something quick-chucks failing and letting the bits fall out? Like 8 years ago?

[@fiskpad]

Will the Milwaukee mower which uses (2) M18 12.0 HO batteries run on (2) 6.0 FORGE batteries?

[@VCGConstruction]

Should with no problem but you’ll get half the runtime.

[@richadent968]

DeWalt started it. When will DeWalt come out with a 60 volt powerstack flexvolt battery?

[@garythegreat54]

3-400 more cycles or 3-4 times standard cells?

[@1ronman]

Well, you haven't mentioned that IF pouch cell gets damaged it's much more complex to find bad cell and replace it (which is quite easy to do with cylindrical cells) so IF a person knows how to fix bad cells and have tools for that it might be cheaper to change bad cell and keep using that same battery. Howewer in case of pouch cells even if you will find bad cell in pack (which makes whole pack unusable since it won't keep voltage at same level under load) you will have a really-really hard time to find exact size pouch cell, most likely you won't be able to find it at all and even IF you will find one it will be almost impossible to replace (in case we want that battery to stay safe for us, not just make it usable again at any cost).

[@JacobOverman]

I have dewalt everything with some Milwaukee tools. The power stack is not my favorite at all. Big tools I need a 8ah or flex volt. And for my regular hand tools I find the power stack way to heavy and bulky compared to the XR 5ah. So for me. It’s either the 5ah XR or the flex volt system. I have no use for the power stack. I like the 1.7 powerstacks for doing drywall or something that doesn’t take lots of power. I like the light weight feel. But putting in deck screws. The 1.7 last 10 minutes if that.

[@stephenleepmg113]

I question the charge cycle counts based on the idea of the type of usage. Example - Grinders cutting heavy gauge metal are high demand and heat the batteries up fast or a Lawnmower, same example. Where a light puts very little demand on the battery and, in theory, should last longer. As to number charges, many a Milwaukee is only capable of a maximum of 1,200 charges at moderate usage, where a German Metabo is in the 2,000 + charge range at moderate usage. The point is, in my opinion, the conversation is way more complicated than what has been presented. Cool video, and I think you should expand on this conversation, Vince.

[@VCGConstruction]

I agree that cylindrical cell packs get extremely hot under heavy load with grinder use. Because of the efficiency of pouch we won’t see the same damage done by these higher draw tools.

[@VCGConstruction]

German Metabo was at the forefront of battery technology and helped develop the 21700 cylindrical cells. They definitely incorporated more cooling to get more wattage in and out of the cells more efficiently which leads to much longer pack life. Met with their director of Marketing a few years back at their office not far from us, he really opened my eyes about battery technology. Some of the stuff he talked about years ago is just now starting to make sense in the bigger picture.

[@stephenleepmg113]

@VCGConstruction That's awesome. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting.

[@j06c]

What is the weight difference?

[@HighSpeedChase762]

YOOOOOO, Vinny! NEWWWWWWWWWW VIDEOOOOOOO!

[@Danielxperez14]

Man I’m just starting to pickup power tools and I started with m12 since I don’t do anything crazy but looking at the m12 stubby do you recommend it?

[@VCGConstruction]

Yes

[@FAMOUSSLICKRICK]

Yes Sir, my brother Vince that you are watching is a great man and an expert on all these power tools and me the Milwaukee M12 Fuel Stubby and M12 Fuel Impact Driver. Some of my favorite tools and love them and use them all the time. I totally 💯 recommend them and I know that you will love them too. And try to get a M12 5ah or 6ah batteries for longer usage and more delivery in power. You will dig it my friend. 🇺🇸

[@FAMOUSSLICKRICK]

@@VCGConstructionAwesome information and review as always my brother Vince. 🇺🇸

[@VCGConstruction]

Thanks Slick Rick!

[@FAMOUSSLICKRICK]

@@VCGConstruction you got it my brother! 🇺🇸

[@tomfrederick6083]

Are battery brands interchangeable between tool brands? I am a Dewalt Junkie, but their batteries cost more than simply purchasing a new tool. The Flex battery is intriguing. Also, what about quality? We are told how poor Chinese quality is, but one has to wonder if battery cells and/or pouches aren't coming from the same manufacturers. Tom from Springfield Delco now in Seattle, enjoying listening to a homeboy! Thanks, Bro!

[@psychic1999]

WIth these newer cells they introduce proprietary communication protocols to get higher power draw so while you can use adapters you will likely suffer the normal draw rate not the high output version so at that point just save your $$$ and buy the cheapest batteries with an adapter and call it a day unless you have a super high draw application that makes the difference. This is something the government should take up there is so much waste in the industry even within the same umbrella company (TTC, SBD, Chervon, etc) they use different comm protocols or physical connections on purpose so you are locked into a system.

[@lemuelsrandomworkvideos4259]

I bought the new dual port super charger with an M18 6.0 Forge battery for 299.00 at Acme Tool in February

[@VCGConstruction]

Nice, how’s it working for you?

[@lemuelsrandomworkvideos4259]

It's working great

[@VCGConstruction]

Awesome Lemuel, thanks for the feedback!

[@claytonb7915]

Who knew that Ol' Vince was also a mathisis teacher!! Way to go...I don't want to be penny-wise and dollar-dumb 👍

[@VCGConstruction]

The old mathematician! 🧐

[@alexhudson3574]

i had a dewalt superfast charger about 20 years ago that charged a 3ah nimh battery in 15 minutes and the life cycle of those batteries were a 1000 cycles but with the superfast charger it claimed that the batteries would do 3000 cycles ? 400 cycles seems very poor for lithium ion by comparison , that being said i have dewalt 5 ah batteries that are 8 years old and seem to work just fine

[@psychic1999]

These cells will expand and die well before cyl cells so its dubious at best their claims. When they have been out 10 years lets recount. I have XR batteries from 2012 that are still chugging along just fine probably went through thousands of cycles. I have no such illusion that a pouch battery wlll last that long, and are application specific.

[@Mainbusfail]

It's cheaper to rebuild 18650 format battery packs than it costs to rebuild flat lithium polymer batteries. If you just practice good battery charge management, you will experience a 300% charge cycle life like I do with my Ryobi 18v batteries. 300 charge cycles OEM and I get close to 1200 charge cycles before I start to have life cycle regression.

[@rhamedjr]

First 🎉 that’s what’s up good to see a new video. 7 years good luck got it

[@VCGConstruction]

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[@kingtijgerindia1936]

This is only correct if you dont consider tabless zylindrical cells like the upcoming bosch pro core plus.

[@TheHamerer]

So has this been tested or are we just going off the manufacturer claims?

[@CSTLLNS]

The old ones are great you can buy new cells and refurbish these yourself as opposed to the flat battery cells.