Stop Overpaying for DeWALT, FLEX, Ridgid, and Milwaukee Tool Batteries!

[@VCGConstruction]

Your USING the WRONG Tape Measure! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIGQqGmFeMdsq7s

[@brandonhoffman4712]

Nope!

[@Perez4]

Ever since I've came across that Lufkin measuring tape, I won't buy any other. I've had em all and that's the best brand 'Tape' I've had. As rough as I am on tapes, they last me longer than any other. 🤘🏽

[@brandonhoffman4712]

I choose the Stanley Fat Max autolock. I keep 3 handy because one never knows where the other 2 might wander off... If a blade gets bent its time for a new tape because I need my 3 tapes to cross reference each other. The fat max tapes have always been good to me. 3 tapes 1 for the marking area 1 for the cutting area 1 as a floater They play a shell game together too!

[@jwayneair]

*You’re

[@OOMAN]

For the DIY stuff I do these days (not nearly as frequently as back in the day), the DeWalts I have, have held up great. I have 4-6AH XR's that are 4-8 years old now that still perform. I've only ever had one fail on me. If I need new ones, I would probably try the Power Stacks. We'll see when we start some big projects at my son's new house this summer! I'll also get to play with his Milwaukee tools to see how I like them. Higher battery capacity also means you need fewer batteries, less weight to lug around, and less room taken up in your boxes!

[@FredD63]

I use both DeWalt and Milwaukee on 7 work trailers and 2 HVAC step vans and I have no problems with both brands and my guys like both as well …🇺🇸👊🏼👊🏼🪚🔨

[@jayg6857]

Good stuff. I think your math terms are a bit off. If you have 300 charge cycles vs 1200 charge cycles you have 4 times the charge cycles, not 400 times more charge cycles. If you had 400 times more charge cycles you'd have 120,000 charge cycles. Still, very good info to know about the flat pack differences vs. cylindrical cells.

[@OOMAN]

@@FredD63 I've only tried one of his impacts & drills. Seemed fine, was just awkward to have to push an electronic button to select/reverse speed. Guess It's what you're used to. I prefer the mechanical switches.

[@GrabLifeByDaPoosy]

@@jayg6857 He meant 300% - 400% more. He misspoke.

[@thetoolmat8632]

So I have now have hourly job chargers and bid job chargers, got it! 😀 - I will say I didn’t trust “Pouch” tech for a while now, especially in my Large 100ah 12v batteries, this makes me rethink that..

[@OldSchoolDad]

Comparing full retail to full retail, the math makes sense to buy the pouch lithium, but with so many good deals where you get free batteries, I'm not so sure. I bought a Milwaukee M18 Fuel SAWZALL that came with 2 of the 6.0HO's and 1 of the 8.0HO's for $269 at HD. The SAWZALL is normally $200, so I got the 3 batteries for $69. Those 3 batteries will get about as many charges as the Forge battery (about 1200). The Forge 6.0 costs $179. So the 3 HO batteries end up being $0.06 per charge vs. $0.15 per charge for the Forge. I think there's still some value to be gotten from the HO batteries if you find them on sale or in bundles.

[@openyoureyes3113]

You can also buy the big ticket tool with the batteries on sale. Then sell the tool at a discount then you get the batteries almost free. Do the math.

[@DeltronZero656]

Yep, all of my batteries have came in bundles.

[@jctedsap]

@@OldSchoolDad Good math, my Dad did that all the time back in the 70’s with people paying top dollar for economy cars to save gas. Back then it was cheaper to be comfortable in a big car.

[@srhintz]

I'm not sure I can take advise from someone wearing only two pairs of glasses. I like to see at least three or preferably four pairs worn before I'm convinced.

[@danijelmaerek4406]

@srhintz also i mostly belive a men who is much louder than that one and also preferably it have to have bigger muscles

[@waydirtysanchez]

😂😂

[@jonathanzimmer8143]

@@danijelmaerek4406 Yes, I vastly prefer full tilt Roid Rage over this paltry "heavily caffienated and an 8 ball of coke"" vibe.

[@DeltronZero656]

Did bro mention Ridgid in the beginning and then not at all for the rest of the video???

[@blakecraft5143]

Something I believe helps batteries last longer is don’t leave them charging if they’re charged. Take them off the charger and don’t let them die all the way

[@brandonhoffman4712]

Any good charger doesnt apply voltage to a full cell. There is something to be said about full depletion, but the tools also dont fully deplete the cells. A fully depleted li-ion is a hazard and most chargers wont charge an "undervolt cell" Pouch cell technology comes from the drone market/RC market. For drones, power to weight matters, and the heaviest thing is the battery. Batteries really have a "C" rating, which denotes the power rating. 1C = 1×C(capacity Ah) so a 5.0Ah cell @ 1C = 5.0 amp max output and .5 amp max charging. Standard for a cylindrical cell is 3C. Standard for a pouch would be 10-15C but goes over 30C.

[@jaybee6318]

Modern chargers shouldn’t be a problem. I have five Dewalt chargers and roughly a dozen batteries. They all get rotated but I leave a battery on every charger 24/7. Some batteries get lost for months at a time. Been doing this for years and haven’t lost a battery yet. Two no longer hold a full charge but I’d attribute that to them being at least 10 years old. The “youngest” battery I have is at least six or seven years old.

[@contessa.adella]

Lithium cells suffer if kept always at full charge. It reduces their life cycles…only charge above 60% if you intend to use it very soon. This does not apply to tradies, because they always need a full charge for work and replacing a battery sooner is just a consumable work expense to them, an acceptable outlay every other year.

[@andymorin9163]

you're absolutely correct! lion batteries last longest when kept between 20-80%. they also like being charged in bursts: leave it on for 30 minutes, take it off for a bit, and repeat. Macbooks actually do this: they can limit charging to 80% and if you need it to go to 100% will charge slowly for the last 20%

[@neilclark3243]

Milwaukee owns lithium ion technology. So they will obviously always be one step ahead of everyone else always

[@tobyhall1167]

Dude, you didn't talk about Ridgid? Was it there just as a prop??? Thats the only reason I watched the video and you didn't even run the numbers on Ridgid, do they even offer a pouch alternative?

[@daveglowa9546]

@@tobyhall1167 that's the only reason I watched the video to,all my tools are ridgid, seems like all videos now are click bait

[@rickygraham8838]

This just really hard to compare to Ridgid with your warranties and fact that they make a good tool

[@alvino9611]

Me too. Lots and lots of slow moving talking but not about Ridgid.

[@dpjazzy15]

Cylinder cells are going to be heavier and bigger. However, a few companies are producing packs with 21700 tabless cells. They shouldn't have issues with heat, charge/discharge speed, but they're still going to take up more space and they'll be a little heavier, seeing as they're each inside an aluminum casing. However, the pouch cells might not last as long, depending on the pack itself. Pouch cells swell and expand as they age. If they're stored properly, so they can't expand too much, they could be better, given weight and space. Cylinder cells do a good job of containing the chemistry and prevent expansion.

[@daifeichu]

I heard that a 12.0 Forge is coming out using cylinder tabless cells. Agree that pouch cells do expand. I've seen it happen in a couple different devices.

[@dpjazzy15]

@@daifeichu ya, I think cylinders are just tougher and don't have as many issues with temperature. But they cant compete with the space efficiency of pouch cells.

[@mrbigberd]

Pouch cells are mostly a scam. There’s reasons a company like Tesla will go out of their way to design custom cells, but stick with cylinders. That “extra” weight from the surrounding metal isn’t extra. It transfers the heat to the sides of the battery. Pouch cells only work well in thin systems like phones and laptops. Stack a bunch on top of each other like they do in tool batteries and the internal temps will get out of control after just a short time of use. The solution for this is shoving metal layers between pouches to transfer heat, but that negates a lot of the advantages. Cylinder cells using standard sizes are serviceable at battery shops potentially giving a lot more years of use. Bosch skipped pouch batteries in favor of tabless and I think you’re correct about that being the best way forward.

[@dpjazzy15]

@@mrbigberd I wouldn't call them a scam lol! But they certainly have some drawbacks. If they can get a better chemistry in there, they could be superior. They DO have greater energy density, as they can use near if not 100% of the volume.

[@mrbigberd]

@@dpjazzy15 The chemistry in cylinders has also improved over the years. The energy density doesn't seem like it's any better in a practical sense because of the cooling issue. They build up heat in the core of the battery that hurts discharge rates and lowers the battery's overall charge cycles. Notice that the really big batteries haven't been released yet as they have even worse heat buildup issues. The tech could take over one day, but most of the claimed stuff is just marketing (eg, DeWalt marketing). Why don't their 21700 batteries have as many charge cycles? because they didn't want to pay for that level of performance. 50% more power? Not vs tabbed batteries like Bosch's new core+. 50% more efficient? Also not vs tabbed batteries. I think there's a LOT of potential for pouch batteries in the sub-4ah form factor though as these are thin enough to dissipate heat without the need for lots of cooling between cells. Milwaukee, Ridgid, or Bosch 12v in particular could benefit a lot from shoving a bit more battery into the handle or making the handle a bit thinner.

[@Nimzzeee]

Great video. As a casual DIYer, most years consist of me having to remember to charge my batteries at least once a year to avoid them slipping out of residual charge. However I'm always pleasantly surprised when the battery indicators typically still show fully charged but it's always good to check. Other years where my tools actually get used I may charge them up to 5 times. A 400x charge life cycle will definitely outlast my time on this planet. The biggest fear of every cordless tool customer would probably be the inevitability of the manufacturers deciding to discontinue current battery types making our current tools obsolete.

[@MrLonstar]

I was ready to switch to powerstack pouch batteries, but now that tabless 21700 cylindrical cell batteries are out, that's the way to go. Worn out tabless 21700 cells can be replaced with the exact same name brand cells for a lot less than the cost of a new battery. Can't do that with pouch batteries.

[@jonathanhench9726]

most of my batteries were purchased prior to the pouch being out. I have bought more cylindrical cell batteries since but that because of the killer deals. I run mobile service and install for generators and can't always plug in so more batteries is better to me than fast recharge. I will start buying them when I see deals on them but that will likely be a while.

[@donaldshimkus539]

Invest in a 2000 watt inverter to run your chargers from your vehicle battery when no power is available. 😉

[@nickp3270]

Thank you for making videos like this because although I already know this I see a lot of people shopping for tools who are lost or confused and do not know what to buy they often just buy what can be easily found and when I started out I watched all your videos before spending any big amount of money and I learned so much from you so no matter what the haters say you are helping people out here I am just one example

[@VCGConstruction]

Glad you like the Nick, thanks!

[@Dom-o9q]

With the LSA from Ridgid when the battery fails you get a new battery from the manufacturer. I find that to be useful.

[@powertools2375]

My DEWAlt batteries are over 10 years old and still kicking. And the one time I tried to use the lsa on a rigid router it was denied so I don’t put much weight into the lsa but if it works for you great.

[@kesselrunheroj8497]

Does Ridgid have batteries with pouch technology? If so which is which? You had them sitting out there but never talked about them.

[@lucaslee1483]

Second this. Which Ridgid battery is best?

[@shawnmsattler2116]

I knew the stack was better but didn't do the math on the flex on per charge, good vid

[@VCGConstruction]

I would sometimes talk about this during livestreams and people asked me to do a stand alone video, I think it’s a worth while topic. Thanks Shawn!

[@johndalessandro6433]

What about the ridgid?? Bro gimme some love man!!

[@villageidiot8718]

What you're describing sounds like the Lithium Polymer batteries we use in RC models.

[@kurtzFPV]

It does. And it seems like they would be more volatile than the cylindrical cells. I'd be interested to see the safety comparison and the track record since release.

[@TropicalMint808]

yes similar tech has been going in cheap Chinese electronics that normally would have used an 18650 or other cylindrical variant. they can fit higher energy per area and output, but they don't last as long. thinking it's gonna happen here too

[@michaeldumke7066]

Vince, great video!! I'm a black &yellow guy but it's awesome to see everyone is going pack. I really was living in a bubble because I thought only dewalt had the packs. It was just more in my face, props to dewalt for the name power stack and visual on the battery. But like you pointed out it's hard to tell on the other lines who is stacked. Great video. I love the cost breakdown, I never knew you could get that much more life out if them. Thanks I'm sold on them now even more than ever. Now that HD and Lowes are giving away free batteries with tools. Keep up the great work in front camera and the people behind the scenes, thanks for making it all happen.

[@thekingsilverado3266]

I'm just hoping my old lady don't come home from work and see this. She's always shopping for new more powerful ah tools. She got a whole dresser drawer stuffed full of her ah tools...

[@stevenwaibel6856]

Nice one Vince, I didn't know about the forge line of batteries to be honest. I always thought the high output was the way to go, I'm glad you made this video!

[@VCGConstruction]

Glad to help

[@jwayneair]

The “watts out” you’re attempting to describe is referred to as a battery’s ‘C-rating’. It’s the battery’s discharge and charge capability, based on the current it can produce. This is why these pouch-style batteries can run larger tools, they can supply much higher amperage.

[@richardhartford609]

What's your recommendation for homeowners who only use their toolds occasionally?

[@Escalofrios29]

@@richardhartford609 go for the regular stuff and offer prices you don't need the top end because you're not going to ever use them to their full potential so it's money wasted

[@marlow769]

How can you tell by looking at the battery if it’s packed/packet lithium or cylinder…or did I miss that part?

[@makepoliticiansscaredagain]

@@marlow769 product description? Either in the user manual/box or online in the description if you’re buying the battery online. I would assume…

[@motskrap2010]

i think i seen it marked power pack on the battery in video.

[@Sir-Kay]

Does Makita have any pouch lithium?

[@itstime3723]

Im in the market for a new drill and impact driver and i had no idea the battery difference and the costs per charge cycle. great video for pros and joes ... keep up the great work your doing...

[@VCGConstruction]

Glad I could help, thanks!

[@bassmeister192]

I see the rigid batteries to the left but no info on them????

[@pgirard26]

Dewalt tool user here. The ONLY time I buy kits is if I can verify that not only is the battery worth owning, but the charger as well. Since I have hit the tipping point as a cordless tool owner, I own the highest amp chargers (fanless) along with a mix of Powerstack and 21700's. A few of my lower amp cylindrical cells (4A and 5A) literally never get used and should be sold. Thanks Vince for another video with great information.

[@curtissanjenko285]

Great video sir…,so I just bought a Milwaukee mower….comes with 2-HO 12 batteries ( both are needed to run the mower) so I’m looking at buying 2 extra batteries. Would you recommend two more HO 12’s? Or 2 Forge? ( at additional cost) My current HO 12’s fall just short of my cutting needs ( about 10 mins) so need to charge to finish. That said, if I understand you correctly, the Forge will accept more charges over and over again….so if I spring first the new Forge batteries, would I make those my “ first run” batteries, and save the HO as the “ second run” for those extra 10 mins of need. Thus, charging the HO less frequently, since it would only get 10 mins of use each cut…( assuming I deplete the Forge each cut fully) Thank you for your comments in advance.

[@kristoferfc6525]

I'm in the IT field, I was well aware of it when I heard there was talk of a Milwaukee pouch style battery coming out. I knew exactly what field of tech it came from so I was excited! Thanks for the video! Hopefully with more exposure they'll sell more and the price will go down

[@VCGConstruction]

Right on

[@ytzyt]

I have a question, doesn't fast charge (or super charge) shortens life spam of the battery? I've seen videos about uber drivers super charge their car daily result in battery dying super early and having to be replaced. I'm wondering those 1200 cycle is normal charge or on super charge?

[@NonLegitNation2]

yes it does. It's the same thing with phones.

[@7thsignthenorthcoast146]

If it gives power faster . Doesn’t that mean the battery will die even faster ? This for meaning you would have to charge more

[@jaireidca]

Another consideration though, for a DIY user, is that the pack may last as long as the lifespan of a lithium battery (even an unused battery will eventually not be able to hold a charge) so the lower number of charge cycles won’t matter.

[@paulmryglod4802]

I now have the dewalt 4, 6, 8, 9 flex, and 5 pouch and the 6 and the 5 pouch are the strongest witht the 5 pouch being the most power dense. My only complaint is i bought a flexvolt saw that wont take the other batteries so i cant see how they do on the same saw.

[@rango_unchained]

Well, I just learned a ton of money saving information, so thank you for that. Also, while watching, it dawned on me that you sound just like Sebastian Maniscalco. Happy New Year!

[@deke6138]

Do you need a special charger for the newer batteries

[@VCGConstruction]

All backwards compatible

[@waynemiller8617]

What about the ridgid batteries? You didn't discuss those.

[@alanbeighton5296]

I’ve been using the dewalt powerstack they are very good I have now swapped all my dewalt battery’s to powerstack

[@VCGConstruction]

Sweet, how you liking them so far?

[@alanbeighton5296]

@@VCGConstruction they hold up really well last very well can’t fault them one bit

[@scuddrunner1]

I must have a dozen of 6 amp DeWalts in a pile that don't work. The issue is when they get wet it fry's out the electronics in the battery. I wish they made them waterproof. Good video!

[@mikem9953]

I was waiting for someone to mention this on DeWalts. Between the shop floor at the company I worked for (100 cordless’s, changing brands about once every year or two) friends and my brother inlaws pile of dead DeWalt batteries, to me it’s so obvious DeWalt batteries don’t last. Coincidence? Am I missing something?

[@chrisboucher9916]

those dead batteries are pretty easy to repair, just fyi

[@scuddrunner1]

@@chrisboucher9916 I'll send them to you, what's your address.

[@ronbown3836]

Does Milwaukee make a larger forged battery then 6 amp hour?

[@garythegreat54]

3-400 more cycles or 3-4 times standard cells?

[@tagay]

In the Philippines, they prefer the one with cylindrical batteries so they can replace it with new ones once the old one goes bad with a help of a technician.

[@bill2uok753]

I was lucky enough to get the Milwaukee 28 volt kit that cost $1500 for $750 introductory offer. I used it maybe 40 times and now the batteries will not charge after not being used for 2 years. Marriage break up. Anyway should I stick to the same battery or upgrade if possible. I love this kit and want to use it again. Or should I sell it. It is still like brand new.

[@farmkid7888]

You didn’t mention anything on the Rigid batteries

[@unlisted-profile]

Youre a legend, this information is super important for people

[@crazysquirrel9425]

I have an old drill that uses nicad batteries. How can I convert it to modern batteries without buying all new batteries and charger?

[@frankmmiii]

I just went out yesterday (Sunday) and bought one. Thanks Vince.

[@michaelharrison2775]

Okay I didn't get to the end of the video so you may have covered this but you know it doesn't say flax or cylinder on the battery pack when you go look at it to buy it

[@ryanwaterman4010]

Where are you getting these batteries? One flex 6 ah battery stacked is 250 bucks

[@COSpacegunner]

Will the older, lower-powered chargers still charge the pouch batteries; albeit, slower, or does one need to purchase a new charger (expensive)?

[@VCGConstruction]

Yes, they’re backwards compatible

[@hildy7336]

What about Ridgids LSA for their batteries ? Doesn’t that make their lifetime of their batteries a bit different ?

[@marywel7615]

He didn't even talk about Ridgid, but has it in the title.

[@leeit2me]

We drone fliers use Lipo battery packs and it does pack a punch and does have a higher discharge rate. but we kill lipo (puffed) packs all the time. once one of the cell pack is puffed, the whole pack is done.. and it's a pain to replace as well. which is why we just chuck it out. don't know why they charging so much for these lipo packs. I would rather stick with 18650 or 21700 lion instead of lipo cells.

[@Todd-jn7yn]

I had the same problem with the stacked pack. Not reliable

[@jeffteza8644]

Great video. Most high end laptop batteries are now pouch li-Ion. I'm an EE and can attest that the lower internal series resistance helps ALOT for high power (current) needs like tools. Milliohms makes a difference and is a major reason why Tesla bought Maxwell Technologies in 2019 since EV's batteries push/pull 70-200A vs 2-20A for a tool.

[@Shortytools]

The only thing I hate about flex is the chargers are so big man. Other then that great power I have been using flex for a couple years now no complaints here.

[@georgeferlazzo7936]

Hello again, Vince and Vcg Thank you for another Great Video 👍 I enjoyed watching tonight's video 😊 Again thank you.

[@VCGConstruction]

Glad you enjoyed it George, thanks for watching!

[@georgeferlazzo7936]

@@VCGConstruction You are most welcome ☺️

[@AtanasPaunoff]

I have watched the whole video and 21700 cell battery weren't mentioned. I have heard that some batteries with 21700 cells perform better than pouch based ones...

[@nguyenthanhtinop]

Forge vs stack which is better ?

[@richardefriend]

I'm guessing that the cost per charge cycle analysis doesn't apply to Ridgid, since their batteries (under Ridgid's LSA) never expire.

[@toddlehew115]

When do you think dewalt might come out with an 8 10 or 12 ah pouch battery?

[@vojtechrajchert]

Exactly. That's why I would buy the cylindrical batteries.

[@WillDavies37]

Very informative video, I get the point about charge cycles and the lifetime cost of the battery, however in the UK they are still priced too high vs HO. 6.0ah forge 250% more ££ than a 5.5ah (EU version of 6.0HO). They’re also 120% more ££ than 12ah HO. In terms of lifecycle cost they look very attractive vs 12ah but pitched against the 5.5ah (6ahHO) they are only 25% cheaper per cycle. But I can afford to have two 5.5ah batteries for the price on one 6ah Forge. This halves the lifecycle cost of the 5.5ah as I’m splitting the load between two batteries making the 5.5 effectively 60% cheaper per cycle.

[@TheHandystanley]

Is POUCH available for the M12 platform?

[@mattreyes1026]

@VCG Vince doing HERO work 🦸🏻‍♂️🙌

[@VCGConstruction]

Thanks cuz!

[@RudiJock]

What about the Ridgid batteries? Why have them on the table only to take them away on camera?

[@crazysquirrel9425]

Do they make M12 forge battery packs that my current charger will recharge?

[@SgtDuster]

After seeing what pouch batteries made to the laptop market, I'm not so sure that I,d get rid of my 18950 based battery packs as long term solutions. Yep, they are "greater" tech on paper but man, how much do they fail in short term, it's stunning! Are they better in the power tools world?

[@MAD450r2]

Whatcabout flexvolt for dewalf. Is it worth it. I have dcs389 i believe it is. For other stuff i do have few powerstacks but they dont work of 60 volt tools

[@Chronical1201]

@VCG Constuction , great video Vince much appreciated for the information you show on the new battery technologies and how the pouch cells work and it helps me explain to the wife how I can buy the new forge batteries for my Milwaukee tools and make it worth the while, so thank you for the great job you do at letting the uninformed learn at a simple pace with a easy explanation

[@VCGConstruction]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Inlimbo10123]

You should compare the discounted cost for charge and use cycles if buying up clearance cylindrical batteries at 25$ a pack is actually worth

[@kingtijgerindia1936]

This is only correct if you dont consider tabless zylindrical cells like the upcoming bosch pro core plus.

[@jlfa4720]

Hey! Great vid! So you said the dealt xr is two gens behind the pouch one. So what came btwn them??? I’ve not seen any other labels that came after. Thanks! 👍🏼

[@Danielxperez14]

Man I’m just starting to pickup power tools and I started with m12 since I don’t do anything crazy but looking at the m12 stubby do you recommend it?

[@VCGConstruction]

Yes

[@FAMOUSSLICKRICK]

Yes Sir, my brother Vince that you are watching is a great man and an expert on all these power tools and me the Milwaukee M12 Fuel Stubby and M12 Fuel Impact Driver. Some of my favorite tools and love them and use them all the time. I totally 💯 recommend them and I know that you will love them too. And try to get a M12 5ah or 6ah batteries for longer usage and more delivery in power. You will dig it my friend. 🇺🇸

[@FAMOUSSLICKRICK]

@@VCGConstructionAwesome information and review as always my brother Vince. 🇺🇸

[@VCGConstruction]

Thanks Slick Rick!

[@FAMOUSSLICKRICK]

@@VCGConstruction you got it my brother! 🇺🇸

[@richadent968]

DeWalt started it. When will DeWalt come out with a 60 volt powerstack flexvolt battery?

[@dumitrascuclaudiu7097]

The thing whit the old 1's , is that you could replace it your self if are done ..

[@JacobOverman]

Also not to mention on the subject of getting more and more charges with the pouch lithium. I have multiple 5ah XR batteries from 2019-2020. Charged many many times. I have never had a battery dwindle away at a rate worth noticing. It’s always failure from a drop, randomly quit charging, stuff like that. Although I can only recall 2 2ah batteries that I’ve had fail, 1 3ah and 1 flex volt 9ah. All of them did the same thing. Quit charging.

[@SaYLoR_3D_Prints]

I'm interested where you found that cell batteries last 300-400 cycles maybe cheap ones yes but good quality is rated for 800 cycles. Plus it will be hard to repair it for affordable price when cells can be easily replaced. And pouches love to expand at sunny days when you not expect. :) I prefer just to buy empty battery shells and cells its cheaper plus i know what inside :D

[@rauljr9869]

Great details you shared & visually showed us the differences between the battery types! Keep educating us!

[@VCGConstruction]

Thank you! Will do!

[@angelisone]

No *ATG's comparisons with the rest dated batteries? *we been using it for 2 years & are very pleased with ATG's adapter to IR & Ryobi tools. *uses graphene batteries.

[@ffej4895]

You don't know anything about overpaying Mr. Milwaukee, become a Makita tool owner in Canada.

[@scruggs.jonathan]

Haha. True this in US too.

[@mst5632]

Makita is an excellent line. Certainly comparable to Milwaukee & DeWALT. No doubt. But, if they started selling in the US with the fervor that Milwaukee & DeWALT do, their cost price will steadily climb just as red & yellow have. It’s called capitalism. The more money a company makes because they are so popular, the higher they will increase their prices. I love my one Makita grinder. It kicks ass. But, my three other DeWALTs see the vast majority of action because they are readily available in the store & I’ve become wallet blind when needing a new one. I purchase the higher priced tool that is readily available instead of going online & waiting for a lower costed tool to arrive. Companies know that & they are inherently greedy (core ingredients to capitalism.)

[@mst5632]

@@k1_w3Yes, Makita is more expensive. Supply and demand. Red and Yellow are much bigger markets in the US so they will have lower prices. That is how you beat your competitor out of business. Less tools available because they have a smaller market share in the US, less money for R&D, less money for manufacturing cost, advertising, etc. The only way to get around that is to come way under Red & Yellow in cost while delivering reasonable reliability such as the Ryobi line. Once you get huge revenue coming in, you turn that profit back into R&D, manufacturing, etc. and boost your line (change from orange line to green/yellow line.) Makita chooses to not try to beat Red or Yellow and focus on quality and diversifying into other lines (bits, blades, etc.)

[@scruggs.jonathan]

@@k1_w3 I'm not agreeing with @mst5632 on everything, but have you seen Makita's cordless lineup of tools? Among Milwaukee, Makita, and DeWalt, Makita has the largest lineup of 18V tools. As of 2024, Makita's 18V LXT system includes over 325 tools, making it the most extensive 18V cordless tool system available. Milwaukee follows with a robust lineup of over 200 tools in their M18 system. DeWalt also has a comprehensive lineup with around 200 tools in their 20V MAX system. While all three brands offer extensive and competitive tool ranges, Makita leads in the sheer number of 18V tools available.

[@littlefinkle7757]

Everything in Canada is much higher!

[@VWonder737]

When you say "pouch lithium" do you mean LiPo?

[@garyvaughan2648]

Do your calculations include the cost of power used to charge? This would be usefull if you were comparing to corded tools.

[@wizwizzards]

pouch cells have too many expansion issues if you want to have more lanes put more 18650's or 21700 cells in parallel in a pack handles the pressure better plastic will never beat steel in that regard.

[@DrBillB]

why you skip over the ridged ???????????????

[@JamesShafer-uz2mt]

Excellent break down! I am mad because I bought several DeWalt 4AH batteries just the other month, at least though I want through my friend who is a rep and got them on the "cheaper" side. I am picking up a couple Powerstacks but I also have 2 FlexVolt 9AH batteries for my Flex 7 1/2 Circular saw and can use it on my blower and other DeWalt tools.

[@alexhudson3574]

i had a dewalt superfast charger about 20 years ago that charged a 3ah nimh battery in 15 minutes and the life cycle of those batteries were a 1000 cycles but with the superfast charger it claimed that the batteries would do 3000 cycles ? 400 cycles seems very poor for lithium ion by comparison , that being said i have dewalt 5 ah batteries that are 8 years old and seem to work just fine

[@psychic1999]

These cells will expand and die well before cyl cells so its dubious at best their claims. When they have been out 10 years lets recount. I have XR batteries from 2012 that are still chugging along just fine probably went through thousands of cycles. I have no such illusion that a pouch battery wlll last that long, and are application specific.

[@p2rlirax]

I have an old school Work robot mower with 6Ah regular Worx Powershare 20V battery. Landroid app shows me that the battery has made already 2000 full cycles and operates as a new one.

[@greatdaneacdc]

I’ve had Milwaukee 18v since 2012 . I’ve had 5 drills screw up . I have lots of their tools . I’m done with their drills going to try flex

[@ricardocuevas2245]

Hey Vince! great advice! I am DeGang team~!!!🙂😂🤣 But switched to stack ftw! IT just makes sense, and power! Keep the vids coming ma man!

[@VCGConstruction]

You rock!

[@Richard-v4s4y]

Great Info! Not well known to the public, or at least me. Thanks !!

[@VCGConstruction]

Thanks, appreciate it! 👍🏻

[@JacobOverman]

I have dewalt everything with some Milwaukee tools. The power stack is not my favorite at all. Big tools I need a 8ah or flex volt. And for my regular hand tools I find the power stack way to heavy and bulky compared to the XR 5ah. So for me. It’s either the 5ah XR or the flex volt system. I have no use for the power stack. I like the 1.7 powerstacks for doing drywall or something that doesn’t take lots of power. I like the light weight feel. But putting in deck screws. The 1.7 last 10 minutes if that.

[@Lee-lb9qh]

You should also explain the difference between 18650 cells and 21700 cells

[@VCGConstruction]

Your BUYING and USING Milwaukee M18 Batteries ALL WRONG! (stop doing this) kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqO8oXSZoLyYbK8

[@TheHamerer]

So has this been tested or are we just going off the manufacturer claims?

[@slinger5206]

Great video! Thanks for the info i am definitely going to go with the these newer battery packs on my next purchase. One thing, whats with the 2 pairs of glasses? Little weird.

[@dethmaul]

You look very familiar. Did you do a whistleblower type video about Milwaukee or something quick-chucks failing and letting the bits fall out? Like 8 years ago?

[@the23rdsubject]

Great job and research. Appreciate all the work you and the team put into making this content. Really helpful since I'm in the market to buy new tools.

[@fiskpad]

Will the Milwaukee mower which uses (2) M18 12.0 HO batteries run on (2) 6.0 FORGE batteries?

[@VCGConstruction]

Should with no problem but you’ll get half the runtime.

[@compassandradio6261]

The best price I could find for Milwaukee Forge batteries was $200 each @ 20% off vs. 172.27 for the high output @ 25% off courtesy of Amazon. (Yes, I know about Amazon counterfeits and Milwaukee's warranty policies)

[@TexasBeekeeper]

According to Dewalt, their Powerstack batteries have 2X the lifespan of the regular XR batteries. Not 4X (400%)

[@tsmspace]

I do think that having good experiences in high performance FPV would be valuable when understanding pouched lithium batteries, and do think we should all expect to see a lot more houses burn down because too many people won't know how to care for them and know when they should be retired.

[@Bay0Wulf]

As it stands currently, I get most of my batteries during sales deals where the tool/batteries come together (Tool, 2 Batteries, Charger) often for less than the Tool or a Tool Battery ALONE costs. I’ve got 9 batteries and only one was bought as just a battery … I have too many chargers if that’s possible … I can see why Milwaukee Forge is 1:1 a “better” deal but, until they start packaging them into deals, I’ll continue to routinely carry 5 batteries and a charger in one of their freebie soft sided tool cases and run their Drill, Grinder, Circular &/or Sawzall, 1/2” Impact Hammer ALL DAY LONG without experiencing any Lack of Power. When the deals begin I can see choosing deals that include Forge Batteries but the relatively small increases gained vs the much higher $ don’t get me past the economic “hump”.

[@JasonRussell-v2f]

I'm trying to figure out how the moon effects the same amount of dirt over or under fills the same hole.?😮

[@markguardascione8443]

So why did you put the Ridgid batteries out there if you weren't going to talk about them also???

[@psychic1999]

LoL for the follow up reveal video.

[@jamieeisenhower1560]

What about the dewalt Is flex volt

[@michaelboehm2598]

Vince, I’m a DIY hack. THANK YOU for the education and pulling back the curtain on battery power. Any recommendations on a YT channel that plainly and simply teaches how to build useful things around the house?