STOP Playing Wintertodt, Do This Instead!

With the release of Varlamore there are now so many new ways for ironman accounts to achieve the progress they need to move on from early game to mid game. This hunter guide will show you why you should consider leaving wintertodt and instead focus on training up your hunter to 99 and get food, items, weapons and levels a long the way.
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[@KriibusRS]

No uploads for 10 days, was too busy enjoying Varlamore but then realised I need to pay rent so we back babeeee

[@Tlowd2]

Lmao!🤣

[@nigellh1153]

@KriibusRS just so you know, you can't start moonlight moths at 75 and you can't start Herbiboar at 80, because master rumours only start at 91

[@user-ll4it2bh8l]

Not sure if I missed it, but the other benefit is unlocking drag imps for an early glory.

[@codycigar]

The prayer xp alone is worth doing it, I remember the early levels being awful to get on my iron. I went from low 60's to low 80's in a few days doing rumors, was lucky enough to green log around 220 rumors. The somewhat varied tasks help break up the repetitiveness too.

[@tvm2209]

Prayer exp from doing hunter? Tasty

[@Subvaries]

The main reason people start with Wintertodt is the scaling damage. It's better to do at 10-14 HP. The problem with hunter rumors is the pitfall traps. Some of those mobs can hit pretty hard and it's going to be even harder at 10-14 HP. So if you raise your HP level Wintertodt is going to be more of a pain later. It's better imo to just get it out of the way, also the firemaking cape counts as a light source which is very useful in a lot of places. Also Wintertodt rewards. Yes you have a chance at better rewards with higher skills. However i'd argue that the early game supplies are better for your account overall. Lets be honest here. No one is doing Wintertodt at a high level for late game or even mid game supplies...

[@1brianyaffa]

This

[@robertneumeier1916]

But once youre not early game you dont need to do wt.

[@MahNameIsJeff]

@@robertneumeier1916you still do if you want tome of fire

[@rob2533]

Yup, this.

[@asteromorphgaming9004]

Just to play devils advocate, you don't necessarily have to level your hp for hunting.

[@onefan9195]

I subbed, never seen your content befor but i found this video really informative and i like your commentry style, keep it up dude!

[@user-ll4it2bh8l]

Great video, had just done 99 fm grind prior to Varlamore and have jumped across to Hunter, currently 87 from rumours on my new iron. Love the new content.

[@user-ll4it2bh8l]

I actually still think its worth doing fm to 99 prior to starting hunter. You will take a lot of dmg from deadfalls on a lowbie acct so do wt (even to just 85) while your hp is still low, then shift to rumours is my advice.

[@coreymanno8946]

Well, besides the pitfall traps requiring you to have a higher hp level, solo Wintertodt can easily get you close to 70 Con, WC and Fletching after the grind. I agree with doing this after a few quests though. One thing you forgot to keep in mind, how are you going to teleport everywhere if you go straight to rumours? You need fairy rings and teleports.

[@fr_z_n3727]

Amazing. Going to finally do my supersnowflake ironamn. 60atk 99 str 60 def, dragonman. Has really interesting grinds vs mithril, addy, rune dragons. Starting out as firemaking is thematic but combining that with a 99 hunter start freshens it up.

[@erinlear8423]

99 hunter might genuinely become the new iron meta after so many years, it's nice to have an early game resource generator that isn't as miserable as WT. Couple tips for people who want to do this route for early game iron because I'm also currently doing it; - get graceful, ardy cape, and fairy rings first; you do a ton of running and run energy is really the only limiting factor when it comes to spamming rumors - to counteract run energy, take all the harrlanders you're going to get from the rumors and turn them into energy potions, chocoloate dust is effectively free from gnome stronghold

[@tvm2209]

101 right here - solid foundation ❤

[@luckystank_7772]

Also with some recipe for disaster you can hop worlds and buy tons of chocolate bars

[@Lichtkrieger13]

But I can't use shops :o Choco bars are gonna have to come from Zanaris here. Plus, since this is slower xp and you don't have that many teleports early on; won't you get bored by this quite easily too?

[@joonasmakela7435]

Also when you are doing 99 hunter you can get easy glory on the way. Starting combat on your ironman and having glory is lit

[@ckaiser74]

It sort of was the meta for a while. Ppl would rush whatever the level was for d imps to get glories

[@pokeliciousnchill2932]

Currently working on the mining grind on my hcim. After I'm done with mining I plan on grinding out hunter for quite awhile. Great video

[@btc_rat]

Well made; definitely starting this

[@fsttag1]

Sick video, thought it was a new fire making method tho while I’m grinding wintertodt for the xp lmao

[@doubleshine]

oh yeah, now we're talking

[@JSDRB]

Just watched! I have been doing bird houses and I was starting to wonder what the benefits hunter would have down the line. I was also starting to worry about how I was going to progress my ironman in general. Im really really glad hunter is so dang beneficial. Great video, thank you so much.

[@poko44]

I see two problems there: 1. HP struggle at hunter with new accounts 2. have fun getting to all hunter locations without almost any teleport option I'd say: 1. Get your Con to about 25 2. Do WT solos only and just collect the crates (took my about 85 solos?) so you dont waste much of bank space 3. unlock important teleport options (with this you can also get higher HP) 4. grind out hunter rumors In the end... just play the game the way you enjoy, but i cant agree with this video

[@BearGrillzRS]

you just dont like change

[@poko44]

The fuck are you talking? lol I just said you should at least unlock your teleports be4 grinding rumors. WT doesnt need teleports and can push your con lvl which is also good on an early iron.

[@BearGrillzRS]

@@poko44 wrong

[@poko44]

@BearGrillzRS you are just a noob.. lol Tell me why instead of just trash talking xD

[@RVDS1996]

This is exactly what I thought. How do you get around the game for the rumours and you need some hp to not die lol. I just started my ironman and currently grinding WT till around 80 for the 200k cash. After, continue levelling and then grind rumours a bit later

[@KamielDomenie]

dude, when I heard the hearthstone music in the back I had to subscribe lol

[@maxkid5]

You gave me the best idea I coulda asked for!! Ty

[@handydrangon]

The skill cape teleport tip was a godsend, cant believe I didn't activate before, was just using whistle!

[@citzenskeevy4357]

great guide and idea. im terrified to even to wt on my ghc is there any like fool proof method to never die?

[@Xuhtig]

How would one go about getting 1-99 hunter using this route? Im a new player

[@RVDS1996]

Amazing content man, just found your channel. But what about both? Doing WT until like 80 FM and 200k cash and then get some hp/cb stats and teleports in the game, and then grind hunter until 90-99? Best of both worlds?

[@e2smoov]

The perfected quetzal whistle is easier to accept as a permanent teleport to a bank with only need raw meat to recharge teleports

[@dogamidstwind4159]

Overall, a good point. I think that the part about the moths/butterflies should have been listed before the prayer note but after all the herbs you get. My fingers were itching to type "you forgot about these busted things though!" Lvl 1 herblore, just need the supplies and hunter level to catch the moths and you have good prayer potion alternatives without having to tediously grab snape grass or pray for the right herbs. You get the moths as rumors and can specifically hunt them outside of rumors.

[@nigellh1153]

Unfortunately the vid got it wrong, you can't start moonlight moths at 75 and you can't start Herbiboar at 80, because master rumours only start at 91

[@adammadsen8622]

​@@nigellh1153You don't need 91 hunter to catch moonlight moths and herbiboar tho, only if it's thru rumours. So yes you can most definitely catch moonlight moths at 75 and herbiboar at 80.

[@nigellh1153]

@@adammadsen8622 that's not what he said in the video, he refered to herbiboar and moth rumours specifically

[@user-ll4it2bh8l]

@@nigellh1153 Technically you can receive these tasks from the novice master.

[@dogamidstwind4159]

@nigellh1153 I think the general idea of it was to spread awareness of the general usefulness of the changes to hunter. Minor mistakes therein or not, we are all human and will make mistakes when compiling information like this. Its still all good points that newer players may not read into and be privy about.

[@cloud999yt]

subscribed, saved video and liked XD this will help tons on my UIM i started about 5 days ago XD was doing the wildy method by picking up big bones and running to chaos alter, but i got to level hunter up too so kill multiple birds with 1 skill grind XD ty :)

[@wahkaman9242]

Doing herbi rumours at 80 and moonlight moth at 75 implies you are only doing novice contracts. Otherwise those won't be assigned until you are 91 hunter for highest tier contracts.

[@7evive]

What's the song used in the video?

[@MorcicRS]

Yes but can you do rumors without any quest req's? can you get 99 doing rumors at 10 hp then go to wintertodt?

[@HarryStanko9631]

How long would that take, from start to 99?

[@BigPapaLarson]

Biggest drawback is the lack of transportation. WT was a one and done location. Without fairy ring access, I think hunter rumours would be terrible.

[@StoveandGarden]

Awesome video bro

[@quaketheduck1247]

Well made video and great update!

[@rokaspukinskis7496]

An amazing video! Love the Hearthstone sountrack!

[@hmoadhajali]

Thanks for your constant hard work. Just wanted to make a correction. You do not need to complete “At First Light” to gain access to the guild or rumours. It only gives you access to master tier rumours.

[@SurfTheSkyline]

If I ever do a fresh iron i think I'll still go with 10hp todt with baskets of bananas to get 95 firemaking for urium shades out of the way with as little pain and food cost as possible but from there the hunter grind seems super solid.

[@HypnosisV]

Yep, Wintertodt is still a viable starting point since the whole reason why it's recommended to go early game is due to it being much easier at 10hp.

[@user-ek4ic2ip9e]

Liked, commented and subscribed for the algo-boost. Good content bud!

[@deathtouchltd]

I have been thinking about doing a iron man as my third account. I am doing slayer on my Alt for money and my main is usually skilling or bossing. I can't wait to do this to my first ever iron man.

[@mohbw3]

Their is a new herblore training incomming what also grands rewards in the second Varlamore update!

[@marcolandreth9459]

There is now a ton of different things on a early iron worth doing compared to when i made mine, GOTR is absolutley massive early cos the necklace is a close bank tele and the laws/nats early game is huge, then we've got tempeross u get clues/planks for early construction and the caskets give teleport jewlry without the need for craft lvl but u do still need the magic level to enchant them, you can get rune items in caskets which is good early money and the food is insane :), Also LMS for rune pouch is amazing/rune arrows for money the options for early irons now is endless

[@WalmartWhite.]

Someone explain to me why the game won't let me hold multiple crates at a time. I just don't do winter anymore simply because they won't give me the rewards

[@vixas111]

Whats up with the map for mushroom transporation thingy? All I get is ugly text choices.

[@VHScape1449]

Its part of a Runelite plugin called Teleport Maps. You can find it in the plugin hub

[@HBSup]

Probably a rune lite plug in

[@KriibusRS]

It's a runelite plugin called "Teleport maps" which changes the interface for some of the transportation systems like fossil island, spirit tree, wildy obelisk and few others.

[@vixas111]

@@KriibusRS nice! Thank you!

[@fissionphoenix4995]

unfortunately hunter packs won't get me 200m fm xp very quickly which I need in order to have a chance for the phoenix considering I did wt solos until I was over drop rate dry (based on calculated total loot rolls). Now I'm going for wt on mass worlds and I guess we'll see if I go kc dry for wt (given each kc is *at least* 2 rolls, going for 2500kc at wt would guarantee being above drop rate for phoenix.)

[@Pycaon]

As my first member skill I have ever leveled up, Hunter has always been my favorite skill. This video made me want to work on Hunter for my Top 10 Hardcore Ironman 🔥

[@AgentLopes]

tecu is 99 attention not str and as you said it i thought i could equip it on my 60 att pure and finally no lol :( sad for me cause sal is insane ! Nice vid g g

[@FallFactor]

you also get amulet of glory from dragon implings which is super nice for ironmen! :D

[@Yltimate_]

Wait wtf you get noted nests???? Great for uim

[@TommyG89814]

That kiss at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="280">4:40</a> made me feel loved so I subscribed.

[@xMrSkate]

Hello, good video, i already follow a guide that want me to do wintertod soon, but do you have a full guide for me how to get to 99 your way from a fresh acc

[@tguess7113]

Just do whatever your highest contracts are available. As someone else said wintertodt is better to do early because it's best to do while still 10 hp. knock out 99 fm then get 99 hunter. fm only take 50 hours so just hit the grindstone and get it done. Do enough agility for full gracefull and quests to unlock fairy rings and youre set for 99 hunter

[@SilverNight145]

I seriously thought when you said premium food it was about to start a Hello Fresh ad

[@roflcapterzzzy6]

I think this has skirted around some of the requirements to do this well, teleports, crafting pouches, crafting whistle etc. it focuses heavily on the benefits without giving a clear indication as specifically when you would start. I think someone forging this as a planned starting route would be an awesome idea.

[@Traff92]

What about for UIM?

[@meleevids]

Hunter is a goated skill., was my 2nd 99 on my ironman and it set my account up great for future grinds. And with the release of varlamore I still use it for a few things even after having 99, Well worth training

[@solidvsnake]

You do wintertodf for constuction xp solo seen one dude with 75 construction just doing that

[@TapoutTanK52]

I had to subscribe after that smooch

[@Bitdream]

I see some issues that you didn’t even mention in this vid. For what do I need avantoe / irit / snapdragon etc with herb 1? What I love about WT it boost me through the early lvls of herb. How do I teleport to do the different locations? For WT I just need to go there one time Rumors are great, but not great for early content.

[@nigellh1153]

I think you made one mistake, you can't start moonlight moths at 75 and you can't start Herbiboar at 80, because master rumours only start at 91

[@pkerdxpker]

What was the item you put the ropes and nets into?

[@KriibusRS]

It was the huntsman kit that you get by completing hunter rumours and it stores all your hunter items

[@Lancelot_2882]

i did agil 70 with ful grace ful, 99 fm through Wt. then 99 Hunter through Herbiboar. set on pots after that and had lvl 74 herblore

[@Lancelot_2882]

this was during covid though

[@treyputman6180]

I wish I had access to this when I was starting out my iron

[@TheNoseyBuggers]

I mean, we can't argue this seems better... But that feeling opening then supply crates 😅

[@TheNovusVita]

Fantastic video. Was never a fan of WT grind early on.

[@brianhuskey5718]

Saw folks complaining about prayer switching LMS bots... I wonder how well they would handle the salamanders?

[@kuby1558]

the salamander doesnt exist in lms

[@BigRurn]

not to mention all the benefits from the implings like glories, clues, dragon items.

[@BigBigBuster]

Looking like a good revamp for my iron 👍

[@joajolie5364]

91fm new iron here, imma go to 99 and do hunter 99 after(: thanks for the heads up

[@Marc98338]

Done?

[@joajolie5364]

@@Marc98338 nah hunter sucks ass without fairy rings tbh. So i’m slowely training up slayer and herblore to get the reqs for fairytale 2

[@deanmadden123]

You dont need to do the hunters quest to access the guild, btw. Only to unlock master tier rumours.

[@alexdenommee3219]

Just to give in perspective on why this is actually a really good idea for newer/current mid ironmen: Hunter has a lot of "little secrets", go look at the dragon impling, ninja impling drop tables, early access to glory amulets, no one goes for nature so tons of irit seeds +, basically full bark wizard armour except legs and plate (from wildy bosses), food, herbs, bird nests, coins (bout same as wintertodt), prayer xp in blessed bone shards and other various bones, a new way of getting early magic logs as even the basic sac can give 4 magic logs. The other thing is the general rule for ironmen is put all skill lamps into herblore/smithing early, and any combat into prayer/magic if you can. With the new herblore minigame, it could ease the pain of the 70 smithing grind on mid ironmen as most lamps would instead be used on smithing. TL;DR: I agree with you. My secret on my ironman was soul wars, followed zealgains and had like unreal amount of uncut rubies and diamonds, adamant and rune bolts, adamant and rune arrows, snapdragon seeds (now just snapdragon unf pots that I am too lazy to grind eggs for rofl), etc. The other secret, now, is undead pirates using wilderness food/pots from LMS, etc.

[@AccidentalToaster]

More secrets

[@bamb0049]

99 hunter will never replace 99 fm for iron, esp becuase 99 hunter takes fucking 30x longer

[@tvm2209]

Haha that is true maybe more of a niche route for say hardcore Ironmen who are paranoid of dying doing wintertodt

[@XxSupaBAMxX]

Also you miss out on bird nests and chins. Even if you want to do rumours for clogs I'd probably do that after 99 hunter. The wwt loot is not great but you do it early game because it's more valuable then

[@Kryptomi]

Maybe, but going immediately for 99 fm is a terrible move considering all the high end loot you miss out on

[@roberson644]

You really dont need 99, getting 75 unlocks most of the good things, 91-93 for the rest.

[@bamb0049]

@@Kryptomi No it isnt, the amount of loot u get at wt is ass and worse than most pvm encounters

[@nikcie]

With all due respect have you actually tried this on a new account? Rumours are painful to do without teleports and many midgame upgrades

[@patrickmager9218]

Awesome video, great points. The amount of resources from grinding 46-99 hunter would put you straight into the early mid game. Also, obligatory drift net fishing comment.

[@dangitnicky]

What's amazing about Rumors is you can try the F2P iron experience and not be punished for having high hp. Getting food or tele jewelry for todt during the mid-game is trivial after having a strong start by doing everything else.

[@BigBlueandWhite]

Funny, just before Varlamore update I got 99 firewalling and after the update I'm trying to 99 hunter (currently at 96).

[@craigmartin6639]

thieving /agility is best early game. Getting 99 thieving early with rogues outfit and some ardy 2 you will get so much seeds for farming at 99 thieving you never miss the master farmer. pick the master farmers at farming guild and use seed bank to store them. This will net you alot of herbs and secondary with farming. you can also thiev for coins two.

[@user-mf7hd9gs2k]

got 89 hunter to 93 in less than a week, OP content, love it

[@MikeHawkPEN15]

oh 4 lvls in 7 days.. huge gains.

[@TeZaar]

xD

[@kristenloader5305]

I think doing WT to 75 then doing this would be ideal. 75 for DT2 then the logs from rumors for fletching

[@death_roe]

isnt the main reason to start with wt because its easier at 10hp?

[@leiferikson7052]

its prety much the same u just need to bring better food at higher lvs

[@Puddspanker]

Not really. It's the same. Bring some shit food like monkfish, lobbies or potatoes and cheese.

[@zackolot]

Do wt until you get tome of fire then do it later once you need 95 fm for shades

[@whiteandnerdytuba]

Still have to go to wintertodt after the hunting cape since your method doesn’t train fire making. You don’t “stop playing wintertodt “

[@himbolest]

Do wt, bank crates, do rumors after witches house for hp to not get killed by antelope at deadfall

[@TheMintybreath]

Sweet video!! I always thought it was a pretty big waste for irons to get 99 fm first since they miss out on all the scaled drops for herblore

[@XxSupaBAMxX]

The scaled drops for herblore are neglible even if you wait until a much higher herb level

[@TheMintybreath]

@@XxSupaBAMxX Every little bit adds up over time, especially if you're hitting 99 there IMO

[@zackolot]

@@TheMintybreath it's just convenience, you either have to use junk fish from tempoross to get 99 fm later or you do it early on. But it's still good to do early on since tome of fire is so handy to have for irons, especially before you get warped scepter

[@XxSupaBAMxX]

@@TheMintybreath it's going to be maybe a few 100k at most

[@XxSupaBAMxX]

@@zackolot tome is nice to get but all it does is save some fire runes, not really that big of a deal

[@eurasiacentertutorials9518]

I thought the reason we did Wintertodt first was the mechanics of it require accounts with low HP levels.

[@triumphoverdeath]

ty

[@p5ych0pathic19]

At First Light is not required for hunter rumors, only master tier

[@Bigdaddy93413]

Is that Hearthstone music?

[@Lorentari]

You can always do rumors - The pitfall trap rumors especially will benefit from higher HP You can't always do Wintertodt (at least you would be stupid for delaying after leveling hitpoints) Also... the Tome of Fire is likely the main the reason most ironmen grind Wintertodt until 99 - It is equip-able fire runes for your Iban's Staff

[@SharmaForLlama]

I have 35 HP and started a week ago, is it bad for me to do Wintertodt now?

[@thatboyashley]

Transport is a pain for hunter though. Fairy rings at a minimum

[@highsassy1413]

i like the idea but good luck getting around gilenor early game on an iron

[@Inkpuddles]

I might just do this for my new account in general w/o ironman! Thanks for the help!

[@manjoume5178]

im about to 99 my hunter next hour or two

[@chriskew1864]

Gz

[@twenton]

looks good

[@ANUBASS]

50 woodcutting for magic logs is a none issue, you already have 50 woodcutting just by getting enough logs to burn to unlock wintertodt todt still better to do first to atleast 85 fm and id argue tempoross is still better than this second considering you cant even do half the hunter stuff early game

[@Boxsalesman]

WT has like no requirements. Hunter rumours has a ton of things to do to make it useful. You need graceful and/or higher agility. You need herbiboar unlocked, several quests done. WT is nice that it gives you a boost at almost no requirements.

[@MorcicRS]

I was asking this too..what quests need to be done to unlock rumors/varlamore? what casues damage while hunting, etc? Will i still be 10hp after 99 hunter?

[@CLE_Dingos]

I agree. I'm a new ironman that did wt first. only 1k total xp. last four days I just started my hunter grind at 32 at novice and currently at 62 now at adept. I waited till I unlocked fairy rings to do this. which btw if fairy rings are not unlocked this method is pointless. Ive done almost 50 rumors and the only thing beneficial would be the food and herbs for herblore. I still think for early levels that wintertodt and temporos to 82 are far better choices

[@shroomcaps4602]

Yeah I'm about to be playing a new iron honestly. Prob just afk to Max the main ironman cuz all this new content makes ironman so much more fun early game

[@taekwon-do4life667]

also biggest benefit, is to able to catch all imps.

[@jaygettel6598]

So make an Ironman guide for new hunter accounts

[@MorcicRS]

Thats what im wondering. What quests need done for varlamore hunter rumors? What agility level do i need to make it worthwhile? will i still be 10 hp when done?

[@erinbyrnes5921]

This will be big for leagues.

[@FeZekhel]

Important Note: At First Light is not required to access the Hunter Guild. It is only required to use Master Rumors. :)

[@adityasawargi4246]

wow that's interesting

[@fluffeh8814]

The tecu salamander is 5 tick on melee/magic and 4 tick on range. Its definitely not a whip, msb, and warped sceptre all in one. It's great for tricking pvp bots tho

[@astolfo2305]

both are good

[@josecampos7157]

With all those herbs from huntertodt, I can see herb run profits go down.

[@DBN1995]

Man i need to be bothered to play more, had my account since release and only got 2 99s i watch vids about rs more than i play