Stopping Faster With the Handbrake

[@_RobertS]

Also a really good technique if you are reversing down an icy (or generally slippery) slope. In that situation its very easy to lock up the fronts causing the car to start dragging sideways. Then you have to ease off the brakes to regain control but that will have you gain more speed again. By feeding in some extra rear brake via the hand brake you can stay nice and stable. In fact using a lot of hand brake and only a little foot brake will guarantee that you lock the rears first, which is more stable when reversing.

[@tighep]

Brilliant. I've spun numerous times while trying to slowly creep downhill this winter. Sounds like this technique might help me :)

[@MrLundefaret]

One added tip is to put the car in reverse, and drive down with left foot braking and hand brake.

[@LamborghiniDriver19]

Wow this is a technique that ive actually never heard of. Glad to see that it really does make a difference! Thanks for making these drive tip videos!

[@aletzr]

Didn't event think that weight doesn't transfer when there's no traction for front tires. Simple and interesting :D

[@Flyingdutchy33]

@@aletzr Right? After 20 years of driving, I learned something new today!

[@xnopyt13]

Me with my Saab 900 with front parking brake: aight imma head out

[@jarekpszuk6944]

No skids on snowy parking lots at 2 am for you, sir. Kinda sucks if you ask me.

[@user-wu5uu5um8c]

Just drive in reverse all the time

[@jarekpszuk6944]

@@user-wu5uu5um8c it will be rwd as well

[@olik136]

I was just wondering if there actually are cars with front parking brakes...

[@xnopyt13]

Oli K yes, mainly French I think

[@jarekpszuk6944]

Now that's something I'd like to try, too bad global warming decided to wake up this winter and didn't allow the snow to stay for longer than 2 hours at a time. I actually never saw any snow this year in that one place where my family and I had to abandon the car because it couldn't go through all the snow a few years back. Oh, and one more thing: Great content, every next video of yours either tells me about some nice new techniques I later try on my own, or fills up the gaps in my knowledge and gives me tips on how to improve my existing skills. I don't think I'd ever be as good of a driver without this channel. Keep it up!

[@imoffendedthatyouareoffended]

That’s not global warming, the earth goes through cycles where it’s slightly warmer and has less snowfall. The cycle lasts around 10 years give or take and then heavy snow is back. Colorado was hit pretty heavy in 2019 with over 600 avalanches in one year.

[@jarekpszuk6944]

@@imoffendedthatyouareoffended well, if what you're saying is true then the earth skipped a beat, because the abandoning event was ten years ago give or take one year (only just now realised how long ago that was). And I can't really rely on my own experience because I've been around for only 20 years.

[@SonoftheBread]

@@imoffendedthatyouareoffended Climate change causes the extremes to widen and weather patterns to become more erratic. In some areas it causes more extreme winters, in some places it makes winter just a long fall. Climate change is also responsible for some people getting snow that have never gotten snow before.

[@SonoftheBread]

@Paul Beleuta I don't know who hurt you but I hope you're doing well. I'd have more empathy if you respected cold, hard, science.

[@SonoftheBread]

@Paul Beleuta I am in awe of your intelligence. I bow to the mighty ascended one. You have surpassed decades of scientific theory and technological advancement into your own reddit-esque flavor of nihilism mixed with absurdist tenets. I'm very glad you clearly possess the capability to freely and critically think, but staring overwhelming evidence and years of statistical analysis and more complex measurements right in the face and giving them the middle finger in favor of your refutation based ideas is ridiculous. Of course science is a means to explain the unknown. It can get closer to the truth sometimes and other times it can only explain so much. Yes, we don't know why gravity exists. We hardly understand the basics of what may drive it. However, climate change is not a quantum issue. It has clear variables and we've measured cause and effect as well as correlation between thousands of different measurements across time. We know the usual patterns, we know what drives them, and that only reinforces the idea of climate change. We can see how it's varying from the norm, and we can measure how much it is varying. We can plot trends and cross reference different data sets to verify measurements. There is such an insane amount of serious work that goes into this. The only reason that people make it sound like an end-of-world scenario is not to scare you or to manipulate you, it's because the path we are on is not a good one, and we've already been seeing the effects for decades. I sincerely hope you spend your time on more productive things than trying to spread disinformation and blatantly ignoring facts. Your arrogant, holier-than-thou act is not making you sound more convincing, it just makes it sound like you have some underlying issues that makes you the way that you are. Chill out. Lol

[@bigmike8586]

Lived in the snow my whole life, and in all my years of driving I'd never thought of this. Thanks for the vid, that's a great technique!

[@dannyferguson9415]

Thank you. This could save lives!

[@marcmigneault8364]

I was trying to explain that trick to my wife. She learned how to drive in France, and she now has to drive in Québec. Thanks!

[@afroman5531]

Some french cars have parking breaks that activate the front wheels and not the back.. see what type of car she has and so some research, and this is not a great skill to try to teach over the phone on the street in my opinoin

[@trollmcclure1884]

Good tip. With the wheels off I found out that can drive with one or two teeth of hand brake without it touching the drums and it gives me more rear breaking power

[@piciu256]

It doesn't really, only makes the rear brake engage earlier in theory. The bias is set by the piston size ratio, not by how far they're to the rotor or drum. Also, the brake is self adjusting, so all you're doing pretty much is so it adjusts to the line pulled a bit position the be the norm.

[@trollmcclure1884]

@@piciu256 Thanks for the analysis. I'm still not sure how it works or if it works with other cars. So am I not able to change the ratio by adjusting the handbrake nut permanently to start braking with the first click? It seems to work. Maybe I should do it when I think about it. I'm not happy with my braking power. Someone told me that it should engage on the third notch

[@piciu256]

@@trollmcclure1884 you can adjust the cable tension, but again, it doesn't change the brake force applied, just lessens the free stroke.

[@trollmcclure1884]

@@piciu256 Yeah, I think I remember it wrong. It adds up to only after the handbrake applies force by the wire + the hydraulics. Thanks

[@doatmidnight8540]

Took me a while to get the right key words to search to find this so I'm glad it was so well done and informative. I overheard this somewhere but for the life of me couldn't figure out how to search for it without getting "snow drifting" videos, lol.

[@mgdrivesGRY]

This is mind opening and logical. I am now asking myself why I did not figure that out on my own?!? Thanks so much! Although I will have to wait until next snowy season to try as this one it has snowed only twice - and not very much...

[@bn880]

Basically because only experts in rallying/snow driving really talk a lot about how bad ABS is in the loose.

[@mgdrivesGRY]

@@bn880 Hi, actually there were several videos about the ABS in snow on this channel. Just the point with with e-breake was new. I had the chance to try it out already - we had Snow againin Germany - and it was fun to learn by doing!

[@bn880]

@@mgdrivesGRY Yes but I mean those are the experts. Most of society is adamant that ABS is magic even in the winter.

[@oskar8918]

I wish we actually could have a snow in Estonia, lucky you. Great video :)

[@ARCNA442]

You don't get snow in Estonia? I always assumed that you would be a pretty cold country seeing as you're right next to Finland and Russia.

[@maaltijdsalade1996]

@@ARCNA442 Normally, yes, this year we've got a terribly warm winter in Europe however.

[@dkfilmsyo]

ARCNA442 Ye, it’s our first winter w/o snow.

[@mestariwelho612]

Same here in finland. It has been one long fall all of winter and if there is snow it has lasted like 2 days most before melting (way up north of the country there may be more snow and colder temperatures). Never in my 28 years of living have there been anything like this :/

[@RAlNYDAYS]

I’ve been looking for a video like this for so long. Thank you so much for this video.

[@lucywucyyy]

it never occured to me there would be less weight transfer on a less grippy surface, thats definetly useful knowledge for tuning cars in sims

[@heathersanborn4914]

Whoooa ! Easy on the binders, throw the anchor

[@MrLundefaret]

To get a bit of weight transfer,one can actually accelerate a bit before you brake, to get the front to lift a bit, then brake as it comes down again.

[@TheDisizit1]

Next video suggestion: how to do a u-turn with an electronic parking brake in a front wheel drive SUV

[@ToeCreature]

thank you for this life saving technique teaching

[@shngsam8777]

thanks for another great video! Not only this can improve our skills, this can also save people if they are in these situation

[@madmax9009]

I would be curious to see the result without the abs fuse, like treshold braking with hand brake, and with full lock and hand brake! I bet full lock will be the worst of all, and treshold (still no abs) with handbrake will be the shortest distance.

[@mateerdei1275]

Cool video, as always.

[@gogmorgoaway]

Pretty much the same thing that happens with a 4x4 with locked centre diff, no weight transfer means the rear wheels contribute more to braking. This just gives you independent brake control, instead of locking axles together and forcing the front brakes to stop the rear wheels.

[@ianholmquist8492]

Not really: 4:29

[@joelou]

Great video, very educational

[@ArtemLokhovitskiy]

That's awesome :) I did it for a while just for fun and just based on intuition. I thought that it must work in slippery condition but never gave it a proper thought "why?"

[@MSoloWacck]

Nice and informative 👍😀

[@kazimierzwrona727]

Impressive.

[@krASHExxx]

Omg I died.. "if its ice you just screwed yourself.." ahahahaha

[@parkerraines921]

Instead of using a handbrake, are there any systems that start out 50/50 front/rear when light on the brakes but then as you apply more force become progressively more front biased? Would that even make sense?

[@AtlasJotun]

Wait, how do I feather the handbrake on a PS4 controller? Kidding of course; thanks for the tip Wyatt, I had only really considered the handbrake for getting more rotation!

[@ENTK87]

In just about 10 minutes, ABS pump worked as much as an average driver's pump is gonna work for YEARS. That's the definition "I paid to use it!" :D

[@johnnyturbo8460]

i was laying in my bed last night, looking up at the stars and I thought to myself....... WHERES MY CEILING ??!!

[@church493]

While on newer cars electronic parking brake won't help with such maneuver, newer cars very probably also have EBD, that depending on detected wheel slip can act as brake biasing valve .. not just that, they can even brake differently individual wheels and readjust on the fly in very short intervals, as governed by electronics. Unfortunately though, EBD may also be bad for performance driving, if manufacturer tuned it more biased for "supposedly safer for novice drivers" most often biasing brakes to result in understeer-ish nose-plowing in turns

[@bn880]

EBD wont really help here if you are already are mashing an old ABS, as the rear will also be in ABS mode. The only thing that would help is aggressive racing ABS set up for loose surfaces.

[@bn880]

What people are forgetting is that cars with ABS have plenty of power in almost all cases to lock up the rears as well on pavement. And on the snow yes there is less weight transfer but the forces required on the rear wheels are LOWER than on pavement anyway. So these cars enter the ABS loop on the rear on the snow when you hammer the brake and the distirbution of braking power is not a huge factor.

[@fidodido664]

The best thing that you didn't try and it works best is to don't let the handbrake and the stop brakes to lock the wheels or in the case of the front wheels to engage the abs.

[@hungryhungryhummer]

The thing I worry about is a lot of cars have a rear drum as well as a disk break and you wear out the drum parking break fairly quickly

[@tylercouture216]

Is there really no top on that coffee

[@M1lomay]

I’m still not clear exactly when abs helps braking distance. theoretically speaking on pavement is it possible to get better stopping distance without abs? As in just carefully applying just the right amount of pressure. I assume that abs hurts stopping distance on loose/slippery surfaces correct?

[@ZsomborZsombibi]

ABS helps a lot when not running on an icy road. It keeps the car straight, avoids spinning and brakes at max possible power. Its only weakness is the very slippery surface, it doesn't know harder break could stop the car quicker. IMHO it's still better for drivers with basic skills. Without ABS, their cars would start spinning that can cause more serious accidents (frontal crash is still safer).

[@dannyferguson9415]

A pro is better then ABS. we are not pro's

[@_RobertS]

ABS never helps with stopping distance, that is a false assumption many people have. The advantage with ABS is that it allows the driver control of the vehicle under heavy braking. Since the wheels will not lock up you will be able to steer and hopefully swerve around the thing you are trying to avoid hitting. It also keeps the car pointed in the direction of travel (rather than spinning around on locked wheels) and that is much safer for the occupants in case of a crash.

[@C.I...]

@@_RobertS It also means (with EBD) that if a left/right pair of wheels is on a less grippy surface, the car won't pirouette.

[@666louis]

@@_RobertS True, but in a panic situation it gives the driver the confidence to just hammer the breaks which shortens the stopping distance vs. braking well under the limit, giving up precious distance. Also I think it depends greatly on how advanced the ABS system is ( sensors/polling rate ). A system that is designed and tuned well will ultimately be better than no ABS, otherwise race cars (e.g. GT3 cars) would not run it.

[@AlexN2022]

can you do this with a pedal-activated parking brake?

[@Teamoneilrally]

It will definitely work, might be a little awkward but checks out on paper

[@logangill9052]

Please elaborate on damaging the center diff when using the handbrake while moving in 4wd vehicles. I’m asking because I love to do handbrake turns in my Lexus gx470 when conditions allow and want to keep doing them without breaking the rig

[@Teamoneilrally]

That has a torsen center differential, like most Audis have, except yours probably has the additional option to lock the diff. You should be good to go as long as it's in normal default more and not locked. The Torsen (name comes from torque-sensing) diff will handle handbrake turns much better than a viscous coupling. Check out: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsen

[@AE86FTS]

1:13 wasn't the Corolla in the Will it Rally a manual?

[@ancientapparition1638]

nope automatic lmao

[@gedas3419]

Initial Wii yes, corolla was in will it rally.@@ancientapparition1638 yeah, they rallied automatic

[@AceBoogyStacks2nd.channel]

Hard in heat of the moment

[@funnypranker34]

My car doesn’t have a working park brake :/ no abs at least :) I hate abs in the snow.

[@samuelgomez3311]

I think "sportive" abs should be similar stop distances than threshold with no abs. But in more cases I've seen even with abs car you can stop faster with a good treshold technique (no abs activation but fully braking power). Anyways, I think abs is not that good when surfaces are slippery

[@Surestick88]

Question : Wouldn't just jamming on the brakes (panic stop) to the point where the ABS kicks in on all wheels allow the ABS to provide a bit more power to the rear brakes since, without the grip to provide weight transfer to the front the rears are going to be less likely to lock up (assuming four channel ABS)?

[@Teamoneilrally]

I see what you mean, where if you go for a full hard stomp on the pedal and hold it down hard enough it should give the rears enough brake pressure that proportioning basically doesn't matter anymore... At that point you're going to end up relying on the ABS programming completely, so exactly what happens is going to be pretty different in different cars. The ABS in this 2010 base model Corolla is going to behave differently than the more advanced ABS in a modern car, especially something more high-end... My guess is that the better and more advanced the ABS system is, the more you can just hold hard pressure and let it do it's thing like you're saying, but we'd be curious to try it with a couple different platforms and see what the results are.

[@bn880]

@@Teamoneilrally I thought you got to that point with full ABS tests (jamming the brake). I think the effect you see with pulling the HB is really just locking and digging through some layers + building up a little pile of snow in front of the rear tyres. :) So as Surestick88 says basically, but that won't have the same performance as using the HB.

[@hervedelorme6768]

what if when handbrake is electronic?

[@bloodethirteen]

More newer ABS systems are working counterintuitively than being helpful in emergency situations. I can't trust ABS so I do the same technique when emergency braking.

[@bn880]

Especially in skids and spins, and loose surfaces.

[@lucywucyyy]

god i hope it snows in england this year, i wanna go do snow skids

[@C.I...]

I suppose this technique is probably unnecessary in cars with Electronic Brake Force Distribution.

[@bn880]

I think you might be wrong on that. The real deal here is that he was defeating the ABS to dig down to better layers underneath. With enough brake pressure and ABS< the rears are also under ABS control and get enough braking power for ABS to engage (as far as I am aware) .

[@4G12]

Long story short, a braking system that has powerful front and rear brakes, ABS + EBD would be the ultimate braking system overall.

[@Teamoneilrally]

If you pull the ABS fuse, it'll stop faster every time. Check out kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ7Eepejfc-hhck We've done plenty of ABS vs no ABS tests, and ABS has never won. Keep in mind, ABS was never designed to help you stop quicker... It's just there to help avoid skidding.

[@bn880]

@@Teamoneilrally Yeah, this doesn't really have anything to do with ABS "power" and often not even brake balance. It's just that the programming of ABS is not suitable for loose surfaces.

[@confettihunterminus1]

Sadly my car has an electric parking break :(

[@TheDisizit1]

I think it can be used too. But the question is why would you do that, lol

[@confettihunterminus1]

Oleg Tkachev Why would you do what? Have an electric parking break? I don’t know ask these companies. Why would you use it to stop faster? Reference the video. But no you can’t use it it won’t engage when the car is in motion

[@TheDisizit1]

@@confettihunterminus1 It was a joke my man. Apparently my car's owner's manual states that it is possible to use the electronic brake while moving, however I've never tried that.

[@thefancyllama4657]

first

[@ancientapparition1638]

cool story bro

[@thefancyllama4657]

@@ancientapparition1638 thank you

[@trykozmaksym]

To the video editing person - please make smooth transition when joining video fragments.. this twitching is not helping :)