HDR Dolby Vision Too Dark? House of the Dragon in SDR is better

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[@stopthefomo]

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[@jeffjefferson7384]

Am personally a big fan of SDR. In the headlong rush to HDR (with what, FOUR different standards?) we forgot that OLED, laser projection, etc are the real breakthroughs.

[@hano5277]

These guys are wrong just so you know HDR implementation is terrible by many companies and across the board. No competent director studio or Creator would ever have two completely different color palettes for a TV show like this. It's improper HDR implementation and these guys just say it's how it's supposed to be.

[@stopthefomo]

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[@skadooshly]

I don't bother using HDR on my Hisense, I watch everything in SDR and have the backlight set to 100nits and I'm very happy with my viewing experience.

[@MrKornnugget]

My QLED TV broke, so I pulled out my old LCD….. at the end of the day, after a few weeks it really didn’t matter. The LCD didn’t degrade my viewing enjoyment of the movie or show I was watching.

[@TheRealJohnHooper]

Use what you have is a lifestyle 🙂

[@tac6044]

Qled is LCD bro

[@Deffine]

Ok, im surprised not more people are talking about this, but HDR graded film is actually darker because they increase the range between the darkest gradient and brightest gradient even more than what is captured on film with the HDR capture camera. This will make for a contrasty HDR picture, albeit a very artificial picture, since thats not how our eyes works in most circumstances. Sometimes it looks good, other times it just looks artificial. An extreme example of this is the newest Dr. Strange movie. It looks so artificially contrasty. It looks cinematic, but it just looks very weird with contours looking so dark in broad daylight scenes. It doesnt look right.

[@eddiscus]

You guys have me falling behind on my episodes. :) I took some time to compare the House of the Dragon episode via my Verizon recorded episode and the same episode through the HBOMax app in the display. As far as black level detail goes it was very similar between both sources and nowhere as bad as what you showed. I guess it is display dependent. The only difference I could see with the Dolby Vision version was a little more color saturation in the wardrobe. Thank you for your KZbin contribution to home theater. Keep up the great work.

[@doublet147]

I watched on my Sony 950h (75") & it was good (DV bright). It wasn't quite as bright as your SDR example but it was absolutely no where near your HDR example. I was wondering why people were complaining. Those examples are drastic. I'm glad I haven't replaced my TV with a newer model.

[@darricksmith86]

I have a 55 inch and I didn’t realize that there was a problem with the brightness for others until I saw the complaints online. I love my 950h!

[@fireandblood2919]

Same. My hdr on my iPhone 13 Pro isn’t this dark at all.

[@eddiscus]

It seems unless the display can do HDR correctly 1000 nit's or brighter either natively or through HDR tone mapping you will have issues with the overall dark scene material. I recently tried out a 100" UST projector system. The first UST projector had no tone mapping and suffered on both top and bottom with HDR. I used Eternals for the dark reference and some scenes from The Meg for bright scenes both HDR transfers. The same movies in UHD format did not suffer from the low and peak luminance issues that the HDR transfers had with the projector. I put a Lumagen radiance pro in line to correct the HDR and also benefitted from the 3D LUT calibration. This was a big improvement. I still was not happy with the projectors lack if good black levels. I then tried a different brand projector that had better contrast/ black levels and built in HDR tone mapping. This one handled the HDR tests well without the Lumagen. But at the end of the day the higher contrast made some of the DLP anomalies more noticeable. So back to a quality emissive display. I thank Value Electronics for working with me through this journey. You guys keep up the great work on the KZbin videos.

[@Ty_7]

on my s95b i used the vivid blown out oversaturated mode for house of dragon episode 7. I never use and it drives me nuts its so saturated and bright, but it allowed me to see the screen honestly with how i feel the intent should have been, similar to the SDR lol. THe weird part is i maxd the brightness in calibrated mode and still couldn't see anything, but with the default vivid/ dynamic mode i was able to.

[@hano5277]

When you guys say this is Creator intent I highly doubt it is... Creator intent wouldn't be to have 2 completely different color palettes you guys just keep shilling for terrible industry standards and implementation of HDR.

[@shaner3d]

Sadly, HDR via streaming disappoints me most of time. However, I love HDR from my 4K UHD Blu-rays played on my Panasonic DP-UB820.

[@sharkgomp385]

I have a couple questions about old TVs how durable and how easy do they break especially the LG C2 in the removable power cord for the LG C2 is the 55 and the 42 inch have the same panel

[@stopthefomo]

Hard to say, but generally, "they don't make them like they used to" however I do prefer removable power cords myself

[@neiltaylor6645]

When I am watching HDR on my LG tv it’s looks a lot dimmer over SDR

[@TheRealJohnHooper]

Super Dynamic Range SDR 🙂

[@tac6044]

I want you guys to make a video comparing two identical OLED TVs both in their most accurate out of the box HDR\DV settings and SDR settings. One TV displaying SDR and the other playing the exact same content in Dolby Vision. This needs to be done via Netflix and Prime streaming services. There are zero such comparisons anywhere in existence. I bet what you will find is that you find SDR to be the better format. Can you do this?

[@ajburke3097]

It's the way its filmed mostly. You can tell the "night scenes" are actually filmed it bright light and then dimmed down to look like its night time. It looks terrible

[@XiphiasThree]

Look on the bright side. Dolby vision will save a lot of energy in the current crisis.

[@ozymandias9149]

Try Underworld: Blood Wars. The cinematography of that movie is DARK!

[@brunogm]

Vicent has a point on the 5nits critical viewing. This episode is mostly 2nits!

[@mgaming7]

I had to switch to SDR on my AppleTV so I could go to my Custom settings to watch The Terminal List. In HDR Dolby Vision Bright or Dark, it was so dark, I couldn't see anything. I get directors intent, but I like to see things. I have Sony A80J OLED.

[@tac6044]

I have the a80k and I find SDR to be substantially better than HDR \ DV almost 100% of the time. Not a little better but far better. I have permanently disabled HDR on my Firestick Max and content looks great now.

[@chrislee4064]

I had to use dynamic mode on my S95B to actually see some detail, the hdr grading is really atrocious they need to fire who was responsible for this. I thought I would never use dynamic mode but I guess it has it's uses sometimes.

[@vpking77]

I was watching the movie Babylon tonight on Paramount Plus and it said in 4K and I assume HDR. The party scene was so dark it was almost impossible to view on my Sony A80J. I disabled HDR on my FireStick and rewatched from the beginning. What a difference. It was still dark but in the way it was intended to be. Not viewing a bunch of people in shadows. Thanks for the advice.

[@Kd_9562]

I have a tcl r617 and couldn’t watch that in dolby vision either because it was to dark or if in DV bright the black areas were either red or blue.

[@RXP91]

So I checked it out on my C1 that's calibrated via 3DLUT and it indeed looks like you show in this video. Terrible with no detail and black and white. I fired up my JVC x9000 with MadVR's tone mapping for the HDR version too and it looks like colour with all the details there, just like the SDR version & the moon lit sky actually has impact. MadVR is quite amazing at what it can recover and in instances of really poor mastering like this - it might be the only way to get a useable image.

[@ownerr8441]

It's about time someone put up info about DV :) and I know FOMO did made a video before comparing DV with Samsung. I am so TIRED of people complaining about Samsung not having DV. In my opinion those people just don't know DV and want it but don't quite understand it. With a Samsung TV you are STILL getting HDR whether that same content in DV on a Sony or LG Tv you will see HDR in HRD10 or HDR10+ and I think DV is too dark and also you can't control the settings when it's locked down, on a Sony TV you can't even opt out of DV using internal apps to choose custom instead and that's more of a disadvantage to me. DV dark is too dark and DV bright is too bright, the controls should not be locked down so a user can adjust the contents how they want it to be (yes I know creations intent, got it!), not everyone want to see it dark or bright so options to control it should be there! Some contents on Apple + in DV are so dark that I use a Roku stick instead and it's still in HDR but HDR10 and in my opinion it look better so why people want DV on a Samsung TV? just to say they have it? well to be honest they are not missing too much. Instead what Samsung need are: 1. Fix the new Tizen 2. Put an input button on the remote (for years people are asking for this!!) 3. Faster access to change input, sound and pic like Sony (this is connected to #1 above) Like Brian I would say LCD still have an overall advantage over OLED, unless if you're putting the OLED in a dark room and not showing news or sports logos often then it's good but that makes it limited to what it can do. When I say LCD I mean a high quality QLED. I know they are DV and OLED fans so I wouldn't be able to change your mind and that's ok, at the end of the day people should choose a Tv that they like and what what other people like but getting the correct info is important! Big up to you guys for all the reviews and also to Rtings.

[@NazimAlizade]

EVERY SINGLE MOVIE I WATCHED WAS BETTER IN SDR, when I compared it with HDR version! So the answer is - NONE! SDR is great in every TV, in every projector, and some (not all) HDR movies are just fine in some TVs. So why the hell do WE NEED IT?! It even changes the color temperature of the movie, so we don't recognize them anymore! Most look just Sepia! WHICH IS NOT CORRECT!

[@ChesterMan-qd3xj]

What does HDR/Dolby Vision have in common with Dolby Atmos? Both really are amazing if done properly, but with a lack of industry standards, a lot is done poorly.

[@michaelfoster3441]

I have over 700 4k bluray movies , and yes sometimes sdr is better , but when HDR is done right it blows gorilla. Movies Like Aquaman and king Kong vs godzilla Mad max for example.

[@jeffjefferson7384]

Genuine question = What movies have you seen that are THAT much better in HDR that it's worth all the hassle?

[@tomwells8093]

Its so variable for every single movie or TV show. There are scenes which look better in SDR and scenes which look better in HDR. The big problem is that most of the time SDR has a more pleasing and consistent picture. I've tested thousands of titles HDR vs SDR. Even with its limited colour range (which doesn't always look obvious). Dolby Vision on Blu-Rays is my preferred option but older titles in HDR and DV are usually not well done. So I end up choosing SDR

[@NazimAlizade]

Good question! EVERY SINGLE MOVIE I WATCHED WAS BETTER IN SDR, when I compared it with HDR version! So the answer is - NONE! SDR is great in every TV, in every projector, and some (not all) HDR movies are just fine in some TVs. So why the hell do WE NEED IT?! It even changes the color temperature of the movie, so we don't recognize them anymore! Most look just Sepia! WHICH IS NOT CORRECT!

[@MrStrictlyOLED]

Brian did you get the G2-83 yet

[@jbizman7]

With Dolby vision u have mess with the settings that will show it the best..more likely default setting on Dolby won’t look good.. Once u get your beset setting for Dolby there is no match!! Have fun and play with y’all tv settings

[@doublet147]

The director filmed this during the day and underexposed it. I wonder if this choice is why it looks different between different tvs.

[@luisvelazquez3571]

Looks great on my Sony X90j through Apple TV 4K and Dolby Vision set to bright. Dark was too dark!

[@tac6044]

Problem is you are not watching an accurate picture

[@thewishmastur]

​@@tac6044 ... Dude, you are drinking too much Koolaid. Dolby Vision / HDR is total trash. .

[@Adrianek81]

Hi guys✌️

[@wimvandervelde1774]

I do like the darker screen because it is softer on the eyes, so HDR is not bad for me. But nothing to see is indeed stupid

[@NazimAlizade]

If you need darker, you don't need watch HDR for that reason, you can just put your tv's brightness lower, that's all.

[@wimvandervelde1774]

@@NazimAlizade True and i know. But my Samsung (older tv) is already at 0 (From 0-20) brightness in my bedroom and still bright. So some darker stuff (From HDR) wouldn't be that bad. Unless you can't see any actie so

[@def-po8tu]

@@wimvandervelde1774 panel brightness should be urned down

[@scarrow]

I love HDR. This episode’s grading was atrocious. I finished watching it in my iPad so I could see anything. I didn’t have an HDR set for Game of Thrones, so my first thought was that something was broken.

[@tomwells8093]

Creators intent does not look like what we see on home TVs. Thanks to many factors. Who says the director got his way and got everything to look exactly like they wanted anyway?! Mastering monitors are 1000 nit all around with no ABL, home OLEDs are nothing like that. LCDs will get you there but not OLEDs. So darker HDR scenes will always look so much worse on OLED compared to LCD or mastering monitors. Horror and scifi movies on OLED with HDR look spectacular but that's about it.

[@markscott2034]

Facebook market....❤market watch everyday got 77in A9g 1,500...c2 48in 250.....C2 65in 400.... i wont spend more than 1,000😅 but i wiil only go Flagship tho

[@Zolocofxp]

I went from my old Panasonic Plasma VT Series from 2011 to the new LG C2 OLED, guess what... I'm not impressed. THX mode on that old TV kicks DoVi or HDR in the nuts for movie watching! Gaming, Docus, sports... That is something else though.

[@Braconara1981]

I agree, got a C1 77" for 4k res and the gaming features at launch, and also coming from a VT series myself, it took me a while to come to terms with it. I still fire up the VT every now and then, it's astonishing how good it is.

[@tac6044]

Just switched from an ST60 to a A80k OLED. Plasma truly is better, even comparing 1080p to 4k HDR. The plasma looks better easily. Just make sure its in a dim or dark room.

[@fireandblood2919]

When I watch hdr Dolby Vision on iPhone 13 Pro it’s no where near this dark.

[@zztop7000]

Dude even in Matrix 4 in HDR is way too dark I'm watching this in 4k projector. This is just the beginning there's plenty more .

[@tylerthere5832]

The first one looks great in hdr 😔 it seems that hdr presentation is just getting worse lol. I heard that that they essentially take a 100nit image and add highlight detail, and now because of so many brightness complaints they might go to 200nit instead. But that completely goes against the point of hdr, which is to display contrast in the way we perceive it in real life, not a 100nit image with some bright highlights... It's really starting to ruin show/movie watching for me honestly.

[@tomwells8093]

In regards to the dual cell. I have the Aus version and to me it is better than the LG CX I had by a decent margin. I got rid of the OLED because of this. Blacks are OLED for 99% of the time. It is much brighter in regards to APL. Dolby Vision is spectacular. Motion is worse for 24p content but better for SOE. Hisense was shut out due to politics and marketing for dual cell and others will not allow that tech to get a foot in. Even though the top mastering monitors are dual cell.... I wonder what that says!

[@mauriciob8260]

Even the show poster look way better that the image on the Tv.

[@nazukeoya]

I had no problems watching HoD on my 2020 LG GX OLED.

[@stopthefomo]

did you watch it in Dolby Vision, HDR10 or SDR?

[@nazukeoya]

@@stopthefomo I watched it in Dolby Vision via the HBO app on my Apple TV 4k.

[@888YouCantHandle]

No issues with my Sony Z9D.

[@tomwells8093]

That's because its the true king of TVs and has been since it was released.

[@Singkhorn.S]

Hey Fomo at 22:13 that's Aemond Targaryen who is a male. Seems like you still can't get the gender right no matter SDR or DV Lol

[@cloudspecs3864]

I have a sony lcd tv with dolby vision no problems.

[@maricallo6143]

People tend to ridicule what they don't understand, there is a touch of that here. It's supposed to be night with just a touch of moonlight, in SDR it look like a hazy overcast day. On my Hisense OLED (not available in the US) this scene works very well in DV IQ and DV custom, there is just a hint of near-black posterization but HDR is demanding and most TVs can't reproduce it properly. Make better TVs, folks, OK? P.S. However HDR Dark is too dark in normal scenes on the Hisense as well, even in a pitch black room, agreed. That really doesn't sound like the picture as it's supposed to be. Also, forgot to mention, on the Hisense it's not black and white in any DV mode, the blue of the skies is there as well as other colors but less prominent.

[@michaelcarraghan512]

Anyone think a95k dolby vision to dark?

[@MrStrictlyOLED]

Exactly LG is king thank you

[@macgyvermac2344]

Fomo you know that the SDR version look bad the HDR version look correct it's night time it's not daytime it's supposed to be like that I like the Dolby vision version

[@MM-Official]

that convers between 8:50 and 8:58 lot of lol man, hhhhhhhhh

[@thewishmastur]

We bought a Sony 4K tv for the first time and watch a movie. The movie was in HDR Dolby Vision and our whole family could not see squat. The subtitle was so bright that it was burning our eyes and the images were so fcking dark and blurry. We almost return a brand new 4k 65 inch tv. After some research and set it to SDR everything looks so much better and superior. HDR / Dolby Vision is total garbage on tv.

[@fireandblood2919]

The creators intent isn’t at the bottom.

[@pkhammu2005]

Luckily in India we only get HOD in SDR only. Is it possible that studio gave for DV grading to some 3rd party and director never actually checked it post grading?

[@damau5687]

No, its made by HBO for their platform HBO Max which prefers DV. There's no way hdr grading is an afterthought for them. They're re releasing GOT in dv as well. Also, Hotstar supports DV, all the marvel content and star wars series are in dv right, they're just reducing the burden on their bandwidth by going for 1080p sdr.

[@TheCrucialQ]

Nothing is graded in Dolby Vision. It's first graded in HDR, then DV Content Mapping Unit Hardware or Software analyzes the content and automatically creates dynamic Metadata. Then the colorist can adjust to creators intent. In some cases, it goes untouched, because the CMU has done a great job. On my Vizio, all the dark scenes were similar to SDR in APL. I keep trying to get people to listen, but it is the display manufacturer processing on top of DV.

[@damau5687]

@@TheCrucialQ Ah so the manufacturer's take on Dolby Vision is critical. That's a good way to differentiate one's products then but the lack of standards means it's taking too long. There's no reason why it should look this way.

[@TheCrucialQ]

@@damau5687 I think most of them are not aware. Dolby certifications process has more to do with the processing capabilities of the chip for DV. They are aware, DV expects D65 color temp, 2.2 Gamma. And the most common image processing that shouldn't be enabled during DV playback. What is missed, is Chroma Upsampling. Upsampling 420 to 444

[@TheCrucialQ]

@@damau5687 Dolby Vision requires a good factory calibration to the PQ curve, D65 white point, and Gamma 2.2. You can't change the color gamut. No additional image or color processing. Unfortunately, chroma upsampling LG (HDMI Deep Color), Vizio( Full UHD Color), Sony (HDMI Enhanced) affects DV when turned on. Which cause visual artifacts when paired with Dolby Vision. In some cases you get black crush or highlights clipped, color saturation issues. Skin tones can be off. APL which is the most noticeable and relates to FOMO video. LG and Vizio having the longest history with DV support, have the least to no DV problems.

[@MrStrictlyOLED]

They are laughing at all they in trouble lmaooo please

[@MrStrictlyOLED]

That’s funny saying LG isn’t going anywhere people

[@MrStrictlyOLED]

They are selling like water no matter what

[@64and46]

SDR hhhmmm 🤔

[@tanmamba24]

😂

[@fireandblood2919]

That’s not a female..

[@grant9214]

I mean it just seems like that director doesn't know how to apply HDR effectively. Like you mentioned a bunch of 2K upscale HDR10 basic movies, that I already knew never actually used the full color gamut. I don't think rec 2020 can make some thing that was shot in rec 709 on set into a full color gamut. Film on the other hand, has more potential than something shot in HD rec709. There's more color to capture on film. Oh and if it's a brand new 4K digital camera with rec2020 or better, than you are basically assured to get your money's worth. Also wasn't the 4K disc version of that GoT episode said to be way better, because it's not overly compressed like everything you stream in 4K? Is this all about streaming? It is, you didn't take. Oh dude. Go take a long walk off a short dock. Do you often smoke Crack Brian? Are being held hostage FOMO? Do you need me to call the police? I have too if you do, I'm a doctor and what not.

[@MaharionPendragon]

Hey FOMO, please let your guests speak without interjecting or interruption from you. You don't have to keep dominating the conversation, you know. Great video otherwise. Thank you

[@letstacobout]

The episode was shoot in daylight to make it a night scene thats why its shit

[@suzukikawasaki5165]

All these modern tvs are marketing scams. I'll take my Panasonic Plasma over any of this trash now. I returned a Q90T, C1 and bought a TU8000 and couldn't be more please for the money. I may try a s95B or the Sony qdoled someday, but you will never beat Plasma IMO

[@Zolocofxp]

Totally agree!!! In dark room, I'd rather watch a movie on my Panasonic VT Series.

[@trippplefive]

people should vote with their eyeballs and not watch poorly graded content. i mean youtube channels like these are constantly pushing latest and the greatest expensive TVs , and the only way to enjoy content is to force your tv into SDR? say what?

[@K474K75W]

From all the comments here you are the only one that can see the truth. There is only one guy who is at least as popular as the channels pushing for latest TVs and HDR that has been screaming for more that 2 years that HDR is a marketing scam, and there is a video engineer and calibration expert Joe Kane that is saying that HDR is performing worse that SDR (even to this day) in a video from 6 years ago. If you can really understand what he is saying, if you know how colors/brightness/gamma/contrast works you would see that he is right, even with the latest technology we still don't have enough for a true HDR experience and HDR doesn't have a unified standard like SDR has. So that's why HDR (which ever of them) will always look worse than SDR cuz it's requirements can't be completed with the current technology to put it simply it's not complete yet and it won't be for another at least 10 years. It seems that they( by they i mean the marketing minds behind all this) fucked up with 3D TV's and curved TV's but somehow managed to fool all the world with HDR. Just calibrate your TV (not professionally but using your eyes) on SDR until you are satisfied with what you see(this is personal to each of you), now apply the same settings to HDR modes (some settings might not be available and some settings may appear while in an HDR mode depending on the TV model) and compare them, the image in HDR should look better right? i mean newer and better technology right? , in every case of comparison you will see that HDR will look like those pictures in marketing advertisement, bleak, faded, and SDR will look brighter and richer in colors, just be careful who you watch on YT cuz most (most not all) of content creators pushing excuse me "reviewing" products are paid by said companies, there are a few rare gems that risk and tell the truth edits : self nazi grammar checking

[@alfredsmith6039]

These guys are AV amateurs and have no idea. Critical evaluation using "chromecast"?????? That's just crazy! Don't bother with this nonsense.

[@joecarreiro1]

Hisense rebate info regarding best buy is inaccurate. I had mine accepted. Actually from the Hisense promo page look @ "where to buy", best buy is on the list, with a direct link.

[@D8099.]

FINALLY!!!! Other people thinking what I’m thinking. This is why I don’t care for “DIGITAL TRENDS” Channel and that guy. He hates Vivid, everything must be in movie mode. Creators know best?! NO. FKK the creators I’ve worked beside them. If I’m watching a fantasy world what’s wrong with me liking that world to not look like this one? Yea I like Vivid and SDR and 10-15% over saturated color. I don’t give a shtt if it looks like the real world I want eye candy. Or we might as well be listening to the radio or a podcast.