DSE TV Dirty Screen Effect: Avoid DSE, What to Do?

[@stopthefomo]

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[@jarnomikkola8438]

Thanks for the test portion of the video. No DSE. But question: I used the 2160p60 mode, and the video on my TV (LG55" CX Oled) seems to have very bad screen tearing issue. Is this because KZbin encoding ? Also, I am in Europe, so the display friequency could technically be 59.7-59.9 don't remember the exact one... and not 60Hz.

[@DragonboltBlastter]

Imagine paying thousands of dollars/euros and getting a faulty TV... I swear, things were easier in the CRT days...

[@Tonyfix]

@@Spectral2k1 Haha I remember that magnet stuff, where we would troll a friend with a big ass 38" CRT Panasonic 130 lbs TV :)

[@criticalhard]

This should be considered a scam tbh, it's ridiculous. Back in "primitive ages" you bought a TV and it worked perfect why these modern tvs are full of issues and still being so expensive

[@TechCody113]

@@criticalhard yeeep they outta be sued for this shit literal

[@richardvacanti9428]

Remover having the tv repair man come and replace the tubes

[@PogueSquadron]

I’m looking at TVs and there’s so many people with problems with vertical banding and other issues, I’m not even wanting to get one anymore. Have already played the “return a TV because of issues” game and I don’t know if I have it in me again.

[@Neo_Rain146]

I normally use the ‘can I live with it test’ to find if it’s acceptable or not. Very rare that a lcd screen doesn’t have some DSE to a degree

[@Techno0Raver1992]

Yeah... Got 2 Hisense same model one was worser than other. But at this price... okay... After i see that high priced sonys got the same problem i see this is a big lottery

[@stopthefomo]

Since all TVs have some DSE, do you see it in your viewing content? When?

[@curbsidetech]

I have to try to look for DSE, I normally dont see it unless Im testing and looking for it.

[@HimanshuSharma-dz6qw]

I don’t see it in any content at all, but when I ran the DSE test, I did see some light grid effect on my 75’ X95J. Not sure if it would get worse with time.

[@josephdubiel7129]

I really appreciate you sermon on DSE. I learned some things here today. Thank you.

[@ear4funk814]

Great rendition of flatscreen tradeoffs. Another KZbin gem here ... an example of value existing on KZbin ... something that improves your quality of life.

[@Noticerofthings]

Thanks

[@memorycard1000]

Wonder how many heartrates jumped up a notch when he threw up that testscreen. 😅

[@ScottGibbs]

It happened to me. I bought a TCL 6 Series and at first I thought I'd actually WON the panel lottery, but over time the screen started to look horrible. Vertical lines over half the screen and just overall terrible uniformity. Even a slightly yellow area in the top middle. These things are only really noticable during grayish scenes, but when it's visible it's really visible. Of course I didn't get the extended warranty and it was outside the return window. SIGH.

[@olivierluminais]

On my QNED99, I have two dark spots on the top left half of the half of the LCD panel. Funny thing, we can temporarily fix dark spots by repeatedly lowering and increasing the backlight of the maxium to a minimum of several times in a row, then turning the backlight power back on as before.

[@curbsidetech]

Awesome video but I cant risk burn in and I cant baby sit my TV.

[@120382brian]

77 inch S95c didnt have any vertical banding or dse on your test, but with a full 5 percent grey scale screen i have a light thin vertical band on the very right and its not perfectly uniform. But 2 10 15 20 25 30 and all other gray scales are perfect. Its just the full 5 percent i see anything. I though about maybe returning it but honestly for a 77 inch it pretty darn clean i think.

[@techbuddy5305]

Samsung QN90A here with zero DSE. PQ, especially HDR, is a beauty on this set. The only thing that I’ve experienced a couple times is a white flashing blotch when powering it on, whereas it’s supposed to do a top and bottom to the middle of the screen motion (not sure what this is called but happens right when you turn on the tv) when turned on normally.

[@Noticerofthings]

No such thing as zero DSE. Clean panels yes. Zero DSE no

[@Ecohen52784]

Great information, Thank You 🙏

[@Esignn]

I love this guy.

[@jonathanparle8429]

This should come with a warning: if you are happy with your TV and want to be happy with future TV purchases, do not watch!!!!!

[@XoGamingESSKEE]

Questions can amazon test the tv for too see if u have the dirty screen effects?? And how much it cost to do that

[@roboverholt9959]

I'm here because I just upgraded from a 1080p plasma to an LG C2 65" OLED, and for the first time experiencing this... Why is it our OLED phones don't have (Or I haven't noticed) this issue? I guess our phones aren't 4k.. But still .. Anyway, luckily content looks great except the occasional time you see the banding.. I just figured that by now they would have figured out how to make a TV without issues .. I've been waiting to hop on the 4k train for a while...

[@timosinreturns]

Well, they say that the larger the panel, the more difficult it is to keep it uniformly backlit. Well, many times DSE is caused by backlighting. Therefore, a smaller panel like that of a smartphone turns out to be easier to backlight uniformly.

[@Tiko7523]

I notice the DSE on Netflix home screen or loading screens to new apps otherwise I don’t notice it anywhere else really should I return my 85 inch x90k?

[@TheLateral18]

My Samsung G7 would like to talk to you.

[@mstoltz]

I have some vertical banding on my Samsung QN95B 75" When watching content i have seen it maybe one time but it was faint. The other hand, when im gamin, for example RDR2 Online in hdr and theres a full moon in the sky at night , and i pan, i see the vertical banding really well. There is someone from Samsung coming to me next week, but im not really sure if i should exchange the panel or not :( What streaming movie is good for checking vertical banding/dse ???

[@scottivlow9962]

Vizio has it bad with regular Leds.

[@michaelhunter1642]

I bought the TCL 75in R646, and there is dse in the middle of the screen. See it mostly with football, and very minimally in other lighter content. I’m confused on what to do as it’s a 75, and if I go Sony X90J am I just going to see the same thing and have to return another TV? Frustrating to say the least. My wife says she can’t see it all. I see it every time during football. You can see the same issue on Best buts sure for the 75in R646. Several people have complained about it. Other content is fine, and looks great. However, on top of the dse, I also have a problem with watching sports shows or other show where they do wide pan out shots, the images look blurry. However, when the camera is close up on the announcers face, single face, image looks great. 3 commentators on the scene and there is blurr. Again I’m confused. Never experienced this with a TV before, but also never had a 75in. I have a ticket open with TCL for the dse, but we are moving at a snails pace since opening the ticket on Nov. 30th. FOMO, do you have any advice???

[@ARyan-yk9qh]

I purchased a new R646 T.V. and my current issue is that there is a very faint black horizontal streak (around 8-10" in length) that ONLY appears on brown shades. It does NOT show up on D.S.E. tests, nor does it show up on R.G.B. tests. The only way I saw it was because the game I was playing had a brown image on the screen. All-in-all, it is very odd since the streak only shows up when a certain color is displayed on-screen.

[@Zer0tolerance77]

I have this same issue on a hisense u7h accept it is longer

[@kennyjurgens9084]

Should I dial back the backlight on my u8g or keep it at 100

[@DigitalMediaChoas]

What did you do? I have a U8G and when I brought it it didn't have dirty screen effect but now it does on one side of the TV on white screens and black screens

[@MRkicktastic]

So question how much does LG pay you guys to promote OLED also I much prefer a qled

[@MyGadgetsWorld]

First !

[@valentinovado]

Second

[@stopthefomo]

third!

[@ye-rochawkins5432]

Fourth!

[@xm3405]

Fifth!

[@kyokushin1289]

6th !!!

[@sidgupta1957]

Just bought a C2 and there is a pink line visible in the middle of the panel whenever the panel colour is grey ! What to do!

[@michaelscott466]

All Evo panels have that.

[@matcam89]

My Sony A8H had a tennis court pattern appear and was very noticeable in video games, Sony told me that was in operating spec

[@kyokushin1289]

I also own A8H i dont get any of that

[@matcam89]

@@kyokushin1289 that's great hope it stays that way, otherwise was a great TV - Best Buy swapped it out and I have an A90J now

[@williangarciasantos]

@@matcam89 did you notice any vertical banding so far?

[@matcam89]

@@williangarciasantos nope picture has been amazing thus far, I even notice details and increased brightness with the a90j

[@movie_av_impulse]

I'm sticking with the 77" sony A80J! (That is once I save a little more) first thing to avoid DSE!! and 2 brightness isn't always the best thing.. for me it's all about the black levels and no screen does it better than an OLED!! it's time everyone wakes up and realize oled is the future of 📺.... led tv's won't advance anymore it's gonna die within the next 5 year's. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Night_City_Vibes]

OLEDS will never be the main TVs. The average consumer you’re not. Unless OLEDS will be sold for 300 to 400 than that’s not happening. I am not sure what world you live in where OLEDS are the main technology. They said the same thing about plasma. Plasma is dead. OLEDS are great expensive TVs. They are not cheap- they don’t make up much of the market - regardless of what KZbin tv guys say.

[@movie_av_impulse]

@@Night_City_Vibes well man you sure put me in my place... 🤣 but you may not remember because I don't know how old you are but at one point LCD and plasmas were out of the "Average consumer's hand" I remember when a 42' lcd was in the thousands... and look where we are today.. the world that I live in? Well I'm a tv tech nerd and it's a fact that everything when it first hits the market is high in price. But what is up in price must come down.. (Newtons Law) if you even know what that means!! It's my opinion!!

[@Night_City_Vibes]

@@movie_av_impulse lmao tell me right now - what cost more to produce OLED or LCD- only one company makes OLED now. That does not really bode well for any technology. As I said before OLED will never read these words be anything more than videophiles loves. The dollar and cents will never be cheap- the cost of manufacturing is too high. And just like Plasma LED will once again persevere. Literally apple had one OLED screen and than immediately went back to LED now with mini leds. Cost of production and the fact there is only one producer undermines your position.

[@movie_av_impulse]

@@Night_City_Vibes at the current time yeah oled panels cost more sure but look how much the lcd panels cost way back then.. cost will come down its just a matter of time. It's really the companies that are being greedy with there high prices. We all have to make profits in life but at some point they won't be so high in cost.. oleds at this point is the best movie experience, are there led tvs that have great pictures yes but none come close to the beauty of oled.. Mark my words they will be the main go-to for real movie and game lovers alike..

[@Night_City_Vibes]

@@movie_av_impulse game lovers they should not even be used by gamers. One LG does not Protect gamers. I would never use a LG OLED ever. Shitty company with BS warranty. No need to mark your words. I have a degree in business and a degree in chemistry and biology. OLEDS made by just one company isn’t a viable replacement for a product made by many companies. It’s simple business man- you don’t need a advanced degree to know that isn’t going to ever happen.

[@mazdaman1982]

And this tv is a 65 inch

[@Mustafa_9628]

Fomo: shadow DSE 🤣 Congrats mr Q for jumping the bandwagon

[@maulcs]

I have a vertical band that's noticeable when panning across skies in games. I don't like it.

[@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName]

Once you see it, you can’t unsee it.

[@maulcs]

@@AKZbinChannelwithNoName Do you have a panel without any DSE? I'm probably going to get a return and roll the dice - which will probably end with me getting something even worse.

[@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName]

@@maulcs No noticeable DSE on my 65” Samsung Q70T, but there is a bit of vignetting around the edges of the display, as I imagine most LCD panels share that trait.

[@kpd1632]

My Sony X900H has vertical banding, but my LG C1 has none. I am done with Sony,

[@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName]

LCD vs. OLED once again

[@urbanupshift]

Just don't go for SONY Trust me don't!!!!!!! I got DSE in my tv Sony X80J 50 and they are not giving me replacement or not repaired my pannel......

[@lightsshades9778]

Stop the crap just grab a bag of chips and enjoy your tv jeez

[@abdelrahmanragab7674]

May Allah guide you to his straight path

[@scottmoreau5630]

Honestly, it’s annoying that companies can’t fix this. I bought a 65”, QN90A that looks awesome. However, I have noticed vertical banding, especially on an angle. I wouldn’t say it’s a terrible panel but for a tv worth $3000+ here in Canada, it makes me sick to my stomach that DSE is still an issue.

[@TechCody113]

They know it is and DONT care.

[@devarajarao360]

​@@TechCody113 my sony have it too

[@kommandantklink5032]

TV manufactures instead of wasting money on 8K tech why not spend your money on fixing many of the issues with the current tech and they can start with improving quality control of panels. Too bad consumers can't get organized and stop buying these buggy TV's. That would get their attention quick.

[@YourFriendCole]

Not the Raid Shadow Legends 😂 Good video as always FOMO!!

[@user-pm7pw1tl3t]

you pay money for a product to work. not a product to hope it might be okay. that the factory get away with it already for years is them hoping people dont know about it.

[@tyraelhermosa]

Good video, FOMO. I agree with basically everything you say here. I got an 85” X900H earlier this year and it has a bit of DSE that I can notice in the sky sometimes when gaming and I pan the camera, but it’s not that bad. It’s fairly uniform for the most part. It does bug me a bit that for all that money in 2021, we can’t get near perfect panels, but I guess it’s really our own fault for continuing to purchase and put up with TVs that have this issue. If we all stopped buying these, the manufacturers would have to up their game.

[@grantmalone]

Skies are the worst. Every time I sync a tower in an open world game and get the rotating panorama of the local area that they all love to do it's like "here's another filthy view of the sky" when I should be appreciating the landscape...

[@johnmcclane2139]

I spent 700 on a ULED so I can’t be mad about some DSE. It’s not even worth the hassle of returning it just to get another one with the same issues.

[@luckymckay]

Love your work! Could I request that you do a comparison of the NVIDIA Shield AI upscaling vs the Apple TV 4k 2017/2021 upscaling for 480p, 720p, 1080p, and 4k content? I think that would be an amazing video and some really great content to add to your channel! To take it one step further, you could also compare the ShieldTV and Aptv4k upscaling to the native upscaling of the premier LG and Sony processors. Thanks and keep up the great job you're doing!

[@Mustafa_9628]

Or better yet A long thorough video about upscaling on Various TVs (LG oleds sucks big time in upscaling) I was really disappointed by it bc even low bit-rate content on youtube at 1080p looks bad So i really would love to see which is the brand supreme in this matter

[@joh12380]

I find if you just got a new TV and you notice dirty screen don't worry. Most new tvs have it after a few week or months it will go and your picture will get better the TV needs to brake in over time so constant use and geting the best settings will sort this only WRKS on new tvs. Your braking the TV in form new. Most new TV have dirty screen but by changing seting and using TV constant it will fix after few weeks or few months as the TV will get best out of it after few week or months.. I got panisonic 4k I read up nearly every TV new will have dirty screen but like I said just brake the TV in and it will go only WRKS on new TV you just got.

[@TheGivenSoul]

I've had my tv since March of 2022, do I have a chance?😂

[@joh12380]

@@TheGivenSoul there is another way if you have dirty screen put a dirty screen white fix vid on you tube it show haw dirty the screen is get a fiber cloth rub the cloth or massage it all over the screen mostly on dirty bit don't press to hard but make shore you press so you can see the screen changing abit do that all over you mite have do it few times till you notice it geting better then just keep the vid running till the end

[@TheGivenSoul]

@@joh12380 thanks my guy!

[@DIMIX0ND]

что за хуйню ты несешь еблан

[@brandonshiggins]

Very good and informative video about DSE. Especially the parts about the bigger screen sizes and Sony this year. I ended up getting two 85-in Sony X95J TVs with major grid pattern problems that were noticeable in normal content. Ended up finally getting a 83-in LG C1 which has slight uniform vertical banding that's not noticeable the vast majority of time so I'm keeping it.

[@taras1082]

I returned my X95j (75) inches as well bcs of this crazy grid

[@just_delightful]

I got a LG 83 yesterday - rain pixel refresh after 10 hours of HDR and it improved it greatly.

[@shepherd7331]

My near 8 year old LG Smart 3D has started showing a grid of white sports very recently. But most of the time they cannot hurt gaming. Even the repair center advised me not repair it cuz the issue is so minimal and repairing is costly for such a little issue. However, I replaced that panel one year after purchase, a new dark spot appeared (I recently found out is one of LEDs in the grid). But this dark sport nearly had ZERO effect on my gaming life, u can only notice in plain color, but in games almost never. Of course these issues dont bother me at all while watching TV.

[@Esignn]

My A90J 83” thankfully doesn’t have anything noticeable.

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

Seems like DSE has been around for quite sometime .You would think by now they would be able to avoid it on TV's with the technology that is available now.

[@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName]

Nothing is perfect

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

@@Spectral2k1 you can learn new things every day thanks for the FYI.

[@criticalhard]

Very informative video thanks. Hopefully in 10 years tvs won't have this ridiculous problem what a scam, even 50s tvs worked with 0 issues, this is beyond lame.

[@KindOldRaven]

Also what tends to cause quite some DSE (the classic type: striping, patches etc) is full array local dimming grids. You can literally have a visible checkerboard on a lot of FALD LCD panels. Samsung comes to mind here for me with their Q90R, Q90T etc. Having owned a few of those it was one of my main gripes with the panel.

[@ye-rochawkins5432]

Yessir! I know exactly what you mean, and same here man. It was my main gripe too. I unfortunately see it on virtually every FALD LCD/QLED I look at. Even many of the MiniLEDs. I also notice the transitions in dark scenes, between the zones. I am just very sensitive to things like that. It’s kinda a curse tbh. Bc I’ve had a rough go finding a TV that didn’t have immersion breaking distractions such as this. It’s why I finally switched to OLED, after being anti OLED for quite some time. (Bc my experiences with BI) It definitely has been better on OLED. Less distractions. But I’d be lying if I said I didn’t miss Quantum Dots. They’re magic imo. But even OLED has its own set of issues. I just thankfully got a clean panel the first go around. I am super hopeful for QD-OLED. I need something to bridge the gap, til QDEL comes to market.

[@timosinreturns]

The truth is, don't buy a high-end TV expecting not to find DSE. Samsung TVs are the most defective due to DSE. I have the Sony Even if they return the television and get a perfect one, the DSE could be generated after 6 months of use. I don't know what's going on with the televisions, they are turning out very poorly, not even Sony, with how expensive it is, can give you a perfect and long-lasting panel.

[@arpanroy9048]

I prefer lcd led for brightness and authentic natural picture. Hate darkish oled picture.

[@kev3226]

What I don’t understand is when spending thousands of dollars and no assurance of DSE-free? Don’t they have a panel grading system?

[@red5standingby419]

Why would they? They can charge you $3k for the panel and it doesn't matter if the panel is A+ or complete shit.

[@Den-nu6pv]

DSE sounds like an OCD problem lol

[@rtdenim]

Pleased to say My 75" Sony X95J is super clean. No issues.

[@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName]

I bet it’s slightly bent.

[@carlossantana997]

My 75" x95j is super clean too and so bright for day use with direct sunlight.

[@melissalayson7275]

@@carlossantana997 My 55 inch Sony X90J is super clean too. No issues here.

[@evalangley3985]

Also, by experience, you usually exchange for the worst when it comes to panels. Unless it is truly an obvious problem for your typical use case, just avoid the trouble to return your big 75+ inch TV multiple times.

[@shepherd7331]

I'm aiming for 55in next time. Due to many complaints I see, and space restrictions at my home, I cancelled my plan to buy a 65in TV. Plus, it will save me a ton of money.

[@ahsanchaudhry8817]

I think my 77 inch Sony A80J is suffering from DSE. Its dull, grayish and lot of background noise. I can’t stand that tv. I’m looking to replace it ASAP

[@michaelscott466]

I had a a80k and felt the same. Such a dull dim shitty tv

[@mkygod]

I experienced this over 10 years ago on a Sharp Aquos 1080p LCD HDTV, before LED TV screens were on the market. Back then, Aquos had a great 2 year defective panel guarantee. At the time, this particular set was really known for really bad banding and splotches that were really annoying in scenes where there is a grey sky. But I knew based on forum discussions that was an inherent defect with this model and not just a panel lottery situation, so I took advantage of the 2 year guarantee and waited until the last couple months to report the defect. 2 replacements later from Sharp, they all had the same DSE and I was able to get 100% of my money back under their guarantee and I used it to buy a Samsung set which had a more acceptable level of DSE.

[@superionmaximus9900]

@Ally LCD is not the same as LED. LCD is the display technology. A component of most LCD Displays is a back light and LED is technology used the backlight. Not all LCD TVs have LED Back lights. Early LCD Televisions often had Florescent Tube back lights for example.

[@craigosterberg5045]

I’ve been lucked . No vertical banding. Just burn in for 2016 oled 55 in. LG.

[@techbuddy5305]

That sir is the worst thing that can happen to an OLED…you did not luck out unfortunately. In fact that is the main fear that drives many consumers away from OLEDSs

[@joserosado4667]

Great video explaining the issues experienced by the dirty screen effect. One issue we should begin to mention seen in larger TVs, specifically LCD tv’s 65” and larger, you can encounter dirty screen effect due to wall mounting placement. I recently purchased a 85” Sony X95J LCD tv and experienced areas of dirty screen effect during low light situations. I soon had the service tech over and he recommended removing the tilt from the wall mounted position which fixed the issue. What he explained was due to the larger screen size and increased weight of the TV there was excess stress being placed on the LCD panel in the forward tilted position, which resulted in screen uniformity issues observed during low light situations.

[@TheJoshkc662]

Interesting, might try this before getting a tech out to see if it resolves. If it does then I have to decide which bothers me more, the banding or the washed out blacks from off-axis viewing...

[@joserosado4667]

@@TheJoshkc662 Good luck! Let me know if it that fixes it. It would be nice to know that I’m not the only one this has happened to.

[@TheJoshkc662]

@@joserosado4667 tried it and that didn't seem to resolve it for me. Might be the difference between the way the models are built, I have the 85" X90H. I've been on the fence about whether or not to even try for a warranty claim, it's only noticeable when there are large areas of one uniform color, like when the screen fades to white, or when the shot is panning across a bright sky or something. It's bad enough to distract and bother me, but I doubt anyone else sees it.

[@Stopher2475]

So probably the more level your TV the less this can pop up. Interesting. Good reason to not put a tv too high up on the wall.

[@xOwLStrikEx]

There's DSE at the bottom of my TV. Not noticeable 80-90% of the time. Glad it's at the bottom instead of the middle or top.

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

Most of the LED TV's I've purchased the DSE if any was not bad enough that I had to return a panel. I guess I got lucky with the panel lotteries

[@earledward5763]

I have a Hisense U6G 55 inch that has DSE. I found that by lowering the backlight to 10 and rising the contrast to 90 I was able to reduce the Dirty Screen Effect substantially. It is barely noticeable now.

[@ERICSDIYGARAGE]

I had a 75r646 and returned it because of this issue.

[@ToshMackins]

This whole screen lottery thing is so annoying. Bought a brand new Sony XH95 55" in November 2021 and thought well, its a expensive Sony TV so what is there to worry about? And in normal movie content its a great picture quality, really good, but as soon as you are starting some games with full brightness settings, looking at a gray or blue sky, looking at a beige or light yellow house wall, you can see that the screen is full of slightly darker grayish spots / splodges / stains. Almost like smudged fingerprints. Its only visible when the camera is moving on the horizontal axis. It looks completely clean when there is no camera movement but when there is camera movement, all of a sudden there are light grayish spots everywhere. Its so annoying. 1500€ for this ...

[@abelramirez7391]

Yeah the dse seems to be a bigger issue on larger screens. I first purchased the 55 QN90a and did all the tests and it was really clean. Then took it back for the 65 since it also went on sale on Black Friday and also did the same tests for dse, banding etc…The 65 had some dse but when watching any kind of content or playing video games not even noticeable at all🤷🏽‍♂️ If it weren’t for all the people in the AV community I wouldn’t have even known about dse. So I’m pretty stoked with my tv, as long as it isn’t noticeable when viewing content or gaming keep it.

[@fleckx]

My new Hisense U7H has this look to it like an unevenly painted wall, just steaks all up and down across the whole panel. I see it every time the camera pans across the sky or something else like that which fills the screen with light-colored movement. I didn't have this on my TCL 5-series at all. Like I don't recall even seeing a little dirty screen on that beautiful ol beast (RIP). I am seriously considering returning it, thankfully I have until the end of December to have Costco come pick it up. Maybe I'll go wild and spend the extra $ on an LG C2.

[@Zer0tolerance77]

Did you return it im having a similar issue with my u7h accept it’s a horizontal line.I only have a few more days to return it

[@craigcraigster5605]

Before you throw out your TV due to DSE try this option: I learned from the AV forums you can use a soft cloth and rub the screen in circular motions (gentle pressure) where you see the darker shades areas on your screen. I was told it releases surface tention on the screen and restores the screen. There is a more technical description but I forget. It worked on my 2yr old tv and it looks great again. I'm surprised these KZbin experts do not research a little more as it is not necessarily a lost cause like they tend to state. Give it a try before you start shopping for a new tv like I was going to do. Hope this helps some people.

[@sarbaz85]

@craigcraigster5605 : Thank you very much for sharing! Do you think you can forward a video about it to show it or do you have a URL of a video? That would be great. I want to give it a try.

[@pieflies]

I wouldn’t worry about the pronunciation of RTINGS. Even they used to pronounce it r-tings. It makes no sense to pronounce it as ratings really. It’s not like Flickr or Tumblr where it makes sense to skip a letter.

[@mazdaman1982]

I have absolutely no clue what I am Looking for , I just bought this brand new Samsung QN85C the other day and I don’t know what I am looking for

[@peterpixo]

How come my 15 y.o. LCD (ISP) Eizo screens have no such problem at all even after 35k hours!? I bought brand new LG 55NANO76 and noticed it on the first boot up screen. Not so prominent, but on grey I can see it. Also white shows where the lamps are behind the screen :( Nothing to see when the photos/video is playing, and now I wonder what to do, since it took some time to drive it home and install it

[@AKSSB_Hustle]

I see going into next year you got paid earlier, lcd are not good anymore. Qdoled you going to be pushing

[@jarmomoskuvaara]

This should not be a lottery. My mothers LG nano from 2019 is having very bad dirty screen issues, my Samsung KS8000 from 2016 is fine 🤯

[@crust5909]

My old monitor had heavy Dirty Screen Effect when moving a grey picture. So i bought a new one, IPS screen and it had zero DSE on day 1. I made sure to test it as soon as i booted it for the first time. 1 week after use and im already noticing the same goddamn DSE slowly creeping in the new monitor as well. Its a fucking curse. Something must be causing this to the monitors (air conditioner? gpus?"), it can't be from fabric if it slowly develops like this.

[@necrozfynezt]

I bought a new sony 55 c90k and arrived with black spots, returned it fir a second got a bad one again! Just ordered my third I want to cry . Sony denied any complaints about the tv but reddit says otherwise 😮

[@WRG2024-h7k]

I've been told that the dirty screen effect is more common on less expensive lcd TV and less common on oled high-end TVs. Is this true?

[@yog146]

Why you test the TV's on different technical specs & picture quality, when one will have to compramise on the quality & will never see picture quality than is intended to be seen even 1-2 yrs down the line.

[@mrbwoll]

i got a 75in Sony X95J recently and it has a grid pattern across the entire screen. I'm going to exchange it, it's very noticeable during gaming and some sports. It's a shame because otherwise it's an amazing TV.

[@charlesmyers8150]

Man! I wish I could wear a hat like that, really, I like it. DSE? I have a 65in q90t and it does have light DSE on the left and right edges, but only in very bright scenes. It doesn't bother me.

[@scottmoreau3478]

I do sometimes wish I had been a bit more picky when I bought my QN90A. The thing is, when put to a white or grey screen and looking straight on, the panel is very clean. Years ago, I had an LG tv with noticeable shadow spots. My QN90A has nothing like that. The issue is that on an angle, you can see the vertical banding. What's weird as well is that if I am watching cable, I noitce it more in lighter images, but with HDR or very clean images, it's not there as much. Rehardless, the tv was expensive so although I will keep it for the amazing picture; I am disappointed that I have to see that here and there. On a side note, I agree that brighter screens are showing DSE more.

[@batouranger2553]

Didn't know this existed until now. It is tolerable on a budget tv but not for premium models if you ask me.

[@macroblockingone]

Many would have had a heart attack after watching the Banding test

[@AladdinSaneNYC]

Is there anything I can do to eliminate DSE on my Sony 60" panel outside of purchasing a new set? Thanks! ✌♐

[@jamestapscott9400]

I had hoped the X95J would be my next TV. I was ok with the performance, but the rainbow effect with direct on-screen lighting was a killer for me. I kept my eyes on black Friday pricing, even though I wasn't expecting to purchase until 2022 TV's were available. OLED was a no-go due to lack of brightness and burn-in fears due to my wife's viewing habits. The 65" A8H dropped to $1,499 on Cyber Monday and I snagged one. It is definitely bright enough. I keep the Light Sensor on for SDR viewing, and DV Bright for HDR. It is bright enough for my usage, even with overhead lighting turned on. YMMV!

[@shepherd7331]

I'm thinking of some lower end, like QNED, over OLED, but to me reliability is better than quality, although 120hz will be important for me.

[@kev3226]

Good luck to TV buyers, may the odds be in your favor in terms of DSE.

[@1MarkKeller]

Thankfully none of my 4 TCLs have DSE that is objectionable.

[@burghelvasile3313]

I bought the Samsung 50qn90a and it has "DSE". If I return it, do I risk receiving one with even more "dirty screen effect"? Does Samsung generally suffer from this problem or are there particular cases? Thanks.

[@Noticerofthings]

Yes, you may get one that’s worse. My TV has DSE on the test patterns but it’s not bad when watching everyday content. Rarely even noticeable. If that’s the case for you then let it be, not worth playing the panel lottery

[@michaelscott466]

How did it work out for you?

[@2kBofFun]

CCFL TV's almost never had this, and even now these are nearly 15 years old, they still don't have it. Somehow the ageing and brightness variation of white LED's differs hugely from LED to LED, and that seems the root problem. Expect local dimming TV's to be/become even worse at this than edge-lit. OLED has other problems like burn-in and low saturation highlights (color bleach) due to the fact that it is 4 white LED's per pixel. Cheap-ass FullHD CCFL Bravia's from say 2010 remain the benchmark for IQ when showing a Blu Ray as designed. Decent colour, good blacks (more than black enough with a bit of ambient lighting in the room), totally even illumination, proper ul-altered motion in 24/25/30/50/60p and no excessive shapening or frame interpolation.

[@richh650]

Things were so much better when Plasma TVs were the thing.

[@TTF12707]

Love your videos Watch them all the time. I just got a Sony 65 inch OLED A80 J. While hooking up my 4K player it asked if it was compatible with 4K HFR device could you tell me what 4K HFR is. Thanks and love the show

[@allancopeland6342]

Stands for high frame rate. 120 hertz ectra for gamming. Sony will cover hfr

[@wanderleisumo]

Basically its DSE on LCD and vertical banding on OLED, you might not see it but its there, trust me. its just a matter of what youre able to tolerate.

[@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName]

The thing is, once you run these tests and see it, you can’t really unsee it.

[@mrb0775]

Well, in the 9 months that we've had our 77" Sony A9G OLED, watching plenty of movies on it, in our pitch black theater room, at an 8.5 to 9 foot distance from the screen, I've yet to see any vertical banding or DSE. But possibly, we've been that fortunate because Sony is particularly selective about which OLED panels it accepts for use in its Master Series models, like the A9G. And actually, the higher standard that Sony uses for what OLED panels it will allow to be used in Master Series TVs, is a prime reason why knowledgeable video enthusiasts are willing to pay the extra premium to purchase a Master Series model.

[@don7680]

Ok maybe I was lucky (don't think so as I've heard good things from others), but I purchased a 65" U7G about 4 months ago and it is superb! Zero DSE. Can't say enough good things about the overall picture and build quality. Seems as numerous reviewers agree it's a great deal for the money.

[@marcusf7710]

I wish I had the same luck with my U7G

[@don7680]

@@marcusf7710 bummer. What kind of issues do you have? I installed the TV Calibration app on mine and the black levels, white levels are all very good. When looking at the Mono screens where you can pull up solid colors, they are all pure with zero DSE. White is pure white on every square inch. Lack of blooming is very impressive.

[@marcusf7710]

@@don7680 I have noticeable DSE especially in panning shots and the vertical grid lines on the left and right of where the legs are in dark scenes and the audio sync is ahead of the image and lip sync feature doesn’t seem to help. This is my second U7G and the only improvement of this one over the other is the backlight is bleeding through as aggressive as the first. I want to return it and try again but I fear it’s gonna be worse. I love everything the TV has to offer but the panels have not been in good shape and the audio sync has been a mess even with Bluetooth.

[@don7680]

@@marcusf7710 that's a bummer. Seems you've been really unlucky as the TV seems to be earning a very good reputation. A hassle, but you should probably take that one back too. Good luck.

[@marcusf7710]

@@don7680 Thanks, I’m going to give it a 3rd shot but if I strike out I’ll be looking at another model or wait until the 2022 models role out

[@Night_City_Vibes]

LCD well QLED here I have monsters in my household . Have 3 Q90T’s. The kids will leave their TV static while a game downloads in their room. My wife will leave a tv on pause while she either takes business calls or checks emails for work. They do not care nor are conscious of the possibility of burn in. I had a plasma for 12 years. In the 12 the year burn in, and a dead pixel sent it to recycling. I am sure OLEDS are great but they neither last 12 years nor are they burn in proof. I need burn in proof other wise what’s the point

[@red5standingby419]

I've been using an LG CX for over a year and half so far as a PC monitor. Have static images on the screen for long periods all of the time. Not a single sign of burn-in yet.

[@Night_City_Vibes]

@@red5standingby419 anecdotal evidence doesn’t stand up to all the reported TVs that do- just go to LG’s twitters and you will find all the LG CX’s and LG C1’s that do- hell there are literally KZbin videos of these TVs with burn in. You’re saying this more to comfort yourself than me. I know they get burn in and that’s an expensive problem when LG refuses to replace the panels that have it. Like my professor would say that statements esoteric and willfully self serving. Now go to Samsungs and tell me how many of those TVs have burn in- the answer is zero and if it did happen they will happily replace your panel because burn in is under warranty. So if burn in isn’t a real concern why do they not warranty against it? I will wait for your response. I have literally seen my wife pause a show for a straight hour while she is on the phone with a client - it’s very dumb to say LG OLEDS can stand up to such use. And you darn well that they cannot handle that kind of static image. And if you’re using it as a PC monitor than you’re using in a way that LG says not to. So even the manufacturer doesn’t suggest you use it that way.

[@tyyroque]

@@Night_City_Vibes yep, burn is is a reality with oled. It is not avoidable. Just a matter of time.

[@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName]

Damn, not one, not two, but three Sammy Q90Ts. You must be rich.

[@mrb0775]

@@tyyroque Nonsense! Burn in with OLED certainly IS avoidable as long as people refrain from doing stupid things like leaving still images on an OLED for long periods of time. One way I avoid the possibility of burn in with our Sony 77" A9G OLED, is to set the TV's sleep timer to turn the unit off right after Blu-rays or 4K BDs end, so that the menu screens that discs return to after movies end, can't stay on the TV for a significant period of time, if I should happen to fall asleep while BDs play. But honestly, in our particular situation, since our OLED is ONLY used for watching movies from our huge collection, in our theater room, that TV is never exposed to dangers like the ever present logos seen on TV channels like CNN. Because for watching TV programs, we use the 80" LCD/LED back-lit TV that's in our living room.

[@bbbl67]

What if you see a grid of squares where it's slightly dimmer at the borders? That seems to me that it's the dimming zones of that TV, but would that be considered DSE too?

[@Mr505505]

I have this issue too on my QN90B, is it worth replacing?

[@DiscoverHudsonValley]

Question for you sir. I have read that loosing the screws a tad on the back of the panel can help alleviate dse and banding because those are usually caused by the stack being to tight. Have you ever tried doing this? I Have also read that over time that dse and banding can go away bc the heat from the tv helps loosen up the insides a little. Any thoughts? Thank you very much in advance!!

[@Link23809]

I read about this too, with DSE potentially going away with time and regular usage.

[@deancass489]

My LG 75" LED TV is 3 years old this September and over the last 4 months an area of DSE has become apparent that was not there, prior. So I think that, over time, DSE can be 'developed', rather that 'lessened'. The tv hangs flat against the wall on a wall bracket.

[@CShakur7]

I have an LG C1, had it for about 3 months now.. on full white screen picture, it seems that I have a slight pinky ish vertical line from the right side. Does that mean the screen is damaged? Hope somebody answers and help me with this, damn.. thanks in advance

[@sector7676]

I'd b interested to know if DSE is more likely in VA or IPS panels..

[@timosinreturns]

IN MY EXPERIENCE IT IS MORE LIKELY ON VA PANELS.

[@damhilmn]

how about iphone oled? my iphone 13 have banding plus uniformity issue when setup 5% grey background as my wallpaper and view it in a pitch black room... however on normal use nothing banding or uniformity occur? should i play the oled lottery ?

[@tokyogamer5825]

When gaming, the only title where you'd likely notice DSE is Cyberpunk 2077. Its distinctive raised black levels and gray filter tend to accentuate this effect. If your TV scores below 7.5 (which applies to 90 percent of TVs) on the gray uniformity test by RTINGS, you might observe it during Cyberpunk gameplay. Beyond this specific instance, I've never encountered it anywhere else except during a gray uniformity test.

[@yamajammer76]

My LG QNED MiniLED has a tiny amount of banding, but it's so faint I'd never mess with returning it.

[@GraceLifeMinistries]

My 83” LG C2 OLED has some noticeable vertical banding on a greyscale window up to 15% above that I can’t tell.

[@RobertK1993]

Sony Bravia TVs don't get especially OLED TVs

[@williangarciasantos]

Yes they do… I have an 83inch Sony A90J and it has noticeable vertical banding… it’s hard to ignore and even harder to accept a 7000 euros with this issue…