Stormgate ► Tim Morten on 3v3's Release Date, Content Roadmap, Giving Feedback, & More

[@korana6308]

Welcome to the internet where getting a constructive criticism is a privilege not a given.

[@eduardoserpa1682]

It's wild to me that people were saying they focused too many resources on 1v1 instead of campaign, so I'm glad he addressed the obvious for those people. All you need for 1v1 is units and a map. No AI, no scripted events, no dialogue, no cinematics, etc. Of course 1v1 gets done first. I'm glad they pushed 3v3 and SFX up the priority list, though. 6 weeks between content drops sounds good if they intend on releasing 1.0 sometime next year, and the frequent balance updates have keep 1v1 pretty fresh so far.

[@scottmaclellan5688]

It's not wild at all. Their early access launch data showed that most people were interested in the campaign, not 1v1. They, these former Blizzard employees, failed to understand that most RTS players don't want to go right into a 1v1 because it's too stressful or because they like an engaging story. You know what Brood War and War3 had that Stormgate and later SC2 expansions didn't? A good narrative. Nobody cares about Stormgate's story. The campaign is poorly designed and from what I hear, the map making tools are garbage. These former Blizzard employees should have understood that the single most important thing to get right for an RTS is a functional map editor. UMS kept Brood War going for a very long time. DotA and custom campaigns kept people coming back to War3. All these rebalanced and remade campaigns that Grant streams are done in Galaxy Edit. And you know what good map tools are instrumental for? 1v1. Game devs don't seem to know how to make good 1v1 maps. I remember early Wings of Liberty and Scrap Station and just wondering what Blizzard was thinking in having designed that map. They had 40 million dollars over 4 years and they went for the low hanging fruit? Is that what decades of RTS making experience looks like? There's no good sense to that and Frost Giant has failed to show the necessary ability to understand what RTS players want or what the game needs to survive.

[@TheRealCaptainLavender]

@@scottmaclellan5688 It's another 'Back 4 Blood' situation.

[@Gloromo]

@@scottmaclellan5688 Holy cow that was a lot of crap for such a short comment. People are interested in the campaign, FG knows that but campaign needs the most work. There is a livetalk from the SC2 Art team where they explained how the last 3 years of development was for story, optimization and polish. They also had the fundamental building blocks in place before they put full focus on the campaign. Stormgate did not release yet, they are early access. So if you expect a good story experience at this point, it's not Frostgiants fault you get dissappointed, it's your expectation and lack of understanding of game development. From what you heard the map making tools are garbage? Very cool and totally not ominous statement. They are not even out yet. Are we once again judge something that is still in development? SO much in development in fact, it's not even in the EA release? It is always so easy to be a keyboard warrior and cry out for things that are not there yet, without having the slightest clue on what it takes to develop those things. And exactly like you said, Map making tools are essential. BUT THAT'S WHY THEY ARE DEVELOPING THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. like wtf is your point. They had about 38 Million dollars over 4 years. that is roughly 28% of SC2's budget adjusted for inflation. 3 years less development time than SC2. Also, they spent those 4 years on less resources than SC2. It doesn't matter how much experience you have. It takes time and money. People like you ruin this game with your unrealistic, groundless expectations and straight up hate. Give them constructive criticism. That's what they want, that's what they need. They are a small studio that showed they listem. They showed that they improve with every iteration. Stop expecting a fully finished game from an early access release. You are being a fool.

[@rekusanreku5540]

@@Gloromo They are charging $10 for not even close to a semi polished campaign CHAPTER. Just throwing that out there. Yes people have the right to be disappointed. And yes it is frostgiants fault that people are disappointed. Clearly they avoided for the longest showing anything on the campaign with reason. It doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together. 1+1=2. "it's your expectation and lack of understanding of game development." i know a youtube comment means shit, but I do QA for a game called Ethereal Clash of Souls on my free time, and then do Freelance for TenCent as my day job. Believe me I am FULLY aware about game dev cycles and I was STILL disappointed. "People like you ruin this game with your unrealistic, groundless expectations and straight up hate" So are you saying people are not entitled to share how they feel with a CURRENT state of a game? Are you really that daft? You think people can ruin a game with opinions? A game will ruin itself. I personally enjoy SG, but it is very clear that maybe they shouldn't charge $10 for a mode that is in a very early draft, and if they do decide to charge for the early drafts then they should do so on a discount. In terms of the other persons comments about the dev tools, I will not throw judgement on FG on that until it's in my hands. Even then I will judge what is in front of me. "IT's early access" isn't an excuse when I have seen MANY games shut down in early access. I can only judge what's in front of me. I don't have the power to see into the future.

[@marcingardyjan6680]

@@rekusanreku5540 You don't rate a product that isn't finished yet. If you're going to rate early access, the rating should take into account that it's an unfinished product and is constantly being improved. You'll get the $10 you paid back because the campaign will be better.

[@Frodonsake24]

Huge thanks, as usual, for bridging the Stormgate news out there. I like their approach. And you can see these guyz have experience, it's progressive development, steady, they know how to prioritize while are still willing to shift them when it's needed. And yeah, obviously I don't get the "cash grab" critisizm. I mean they have always been transparent about what they're doing and yet, people are gonna keep complaining no matter what it seems. Come on, these guys have quite the experience and the resume, if they just wanted more money they would not be doing that.

[@peterlaanguila5098]

Exactly they could find a high paying 9 to 5 job being less challenging and stressful

[@elias8747]

I love Stormgate, please dont give up.

[@veseliniliev3361]

Very nice thought out video. I hope more people get to see the response from Tim Morton. I am relatively active on their Discord and can confirm they are listening to feedback. One of the suggestions was even make an interview to explain the development process exactly like Tim did. P.S. Can you please not use campaign footage in your videos? I decided to wait for more missions and polish before playing it and you are spoiling it for me (and possibly many others).

[@isaac_shelton]

Personally I'll be more interested in playing the game once it's finished, I think it needs a few more years to cook

[@onethreeify]

"we released an unfinished product with microtransactions after we claimed to overshoot our crowdfunding by 100%, why are people upset?"

[@greatdragonsigner9217]

That's not what he said or implied. Don't put words in his mouth.

[@Oj_Stimson]

hearing Tim speak was kind of depressing. I think even he knows the game is DOA

[@mnadeau1992]

I like Tim. He seems very sincere.

[@BoskoBanovic]

Frost giant feels like they are kind overstretched and mismanaged SG completely ..They have smaller budget then AAA company but everything they are doing are trying to be like AAA.. They should be focused as smaller company on one mode and make that one mode epic...but they wanted 1V1 CO-OP campaign and now 3v3 and nothing is good but everything is mid or belove average.. As for grades : Engine is A ,A+, Fantasy is D D- Space marines vs Diablo vs Robots angels, GFX are D D-.Sound is D.. Modes : 1v1 is B B+, Co Op is B+ A-, Campaign is D D-..

[@Andrewkroesen]

When you need feedback to tell you to finish the visuals before release you might be huffing a little too deeply from the agile development paper bag

[@tomorrowduong4914]

I'm sure with enough time, Stormgate will be a great RTS!

[@likom9813]

it will die before it becomes a great RTS

[@InfinityDsbm]

It's already so fun I can't stop playing hehe

[@Rhodes42]

Beomulf covered a tournament this weekend and it was highly entertaining to watch

[@bahachan]

Frost giant threatens to drop a 3v3 mode

[@goldfish1837]

Also if you see bugs you can report them via steam. I have repprted 2 minor bugs. I actually like being involved in ea. Found and reported a couple bugs in the early days of bg3 aswell

[@gwydion2418]

3v3 sounds good but 2v2 would be better. It's easier to get one friend to join you than two and it's always more fun to play with friends.

[@Stormgate_Central]

Yeah I'm willing to bet once they have 3v3 fleshed out 2v2 won't be far behind.

[@noname-sj1hi]

I can't shake the feeling that this game will flop.

[@likom9813]

it flopped from the start i dont think this game is ever going out of early access.

[@awagnow]

Bro it already flopped

[@greatdragonsigner9217]

You guys missed the point of the giving feedback portion of the video. Doomposting is not constructive feedback.

[@likom9813]

@@greatdragonsigner9217 dude they are producing a very mediocre game they are saying that it will be funded until release but what now? they are asking for more money this is clearly a scam!

[@peterlaanguila5098]

You are the best! Your content is consistently very high quality and with a great approach. I can't agree more with all your statements in regards of constructive feedback and negativity in the comunity. FG are taking big risks and facing a massive challenge, and are doing great stying resilient despite all the destructive comments

[@zxganon677]

It is still nothing but copium. Sure the gameplay is interesting and kinda fun but overall the gameplay is extremely barebones, the artdesign is at best meh, sounds are terrible, campaign is a rehashed WC3 in meh quality at best with terrible character designs. The coop mode is also not that good. The only good part of SG is the music. I do not have high hopes for this game only if they truly dedicated the next 3 years into completely reworking almost every aspect of it.

[@likom9813]

new content creator but already comment deleting sad you can never go anywhere with that attitude.

[@davidroy8801]

Very interresting, positive, entertaining, thanks!

[@likom9813]

the beauty of early access is to put a game with micro transaction on a game that is not even really ready for early access. get money now give a good game later this are the reasons why devs give us very bad games because you give them money without even giving you a good product. it is very cash grab really if they are not then they should remove all micro transaction.

[@tomfooleryV2]

Really really love that he's said all this.

[@dennisthorson4159]

The latest kickstarter they did was a huge mistake. Finances laid bare to see bound by law and also in self interest, at its best. You want to show as much money you got to win investor goodwill on a longer developing timeline, without being criminal about it. But people straight up stopped investing completely the past few weeks, they got maybe 5-10 private investors banking a few K dollars, and with player numbers suggesting zero or few funds from sales, it's now either mass restructuring at FGS, workers working for free or for stocks for long enough to figure a new revenue stream, or simply straight up unplugging and GG'ing.

[@soldiersvejk2053]

Keep improving and they will see your efforts! I believe RTS players are the most tolerant audience one company could have.

[@nutrino75]

is it better then 2010 sc2?..... Fark no.....

[@bbreimm]

Did 2010 Boxed SC2 Release have more dev time and budget than an Early Access game? Fark yes....... Stop being delusional with unfair comparisons...

[@revanlord05]

I feel that Stormgate needs to be out of EA, reassess the game and rework from the ground up its gameplay loop, graphics, artstyle. It has no identity, tries to be SC2 and WC3, yet it ended up becoming either. Rather than doing something new and fresh, they are just rehashing the steps from when they were in Blizzard. In their arrogance of declaring this being the next big RTS that will revitalize the genre, it ended up flopping with this botched EA. Rather than accept very needed feedback and make the very necessary changes to make this game fun and engaging and using all the power and adventage of the Unreal Engine 5, they are set in with this 'vision' of the game with not change on sight. If this continues, Frost Giant's first game will be their last.

[@Alex-gc2vo]

I'd be happy if they just added more match summary data and analysis tools in the replays. Don't care about campaign or commanders or the art style

[@luxusAI]

the takes between are a little long, and not adding much ..

[@Bagginsess]

I'm willing to bet the guys who made both warcraft and starcraft have a better idea how to make a game than some diamond rank sc2 player who thinks they're a genius armchair businessman and developer.

[@mwcz5190]

Definitely true. Still, that player is very good at identifying problems, just really bad at coming up with good solutions.

[@Bagginsess]

@@mwcz5190their "problems" with SG are that it isn't finished and it costs money. I remember I had to rebuy the starcraft discs as a kid because we played so much that we scratched the first one. And people are complaining about a free game they can download whenever they want, charging money for the campaign and doubling hero levels.

[@TheRad82]

These aren't the people who made Starcraft though. Tim C managed WC3 but lets' be real he probably rubberstamped other people's work because SG is creatively bankrupt. And, TIm M and his SC team didn't make Starcraft. They came afterwards and managed LotV. Everything was already in place for them and they just had to steer the ship. You can see the lack of creativity in Stormgate when these people are tasked with actually creating something versus managing someone else's work.

[@Bagginsess]

@@TheRad82and like I said in my OP, what are your credentials? Are you even diamond?

[@likom9813]

then why are they giving us this trash? if they are really that good? please explain? why is SG so trash? with mixed reviews with only 1k player online. PLEASE EXPAIN IF THEY MAKE A GOOD GAME WHY RELEASE IT ON A VERY BAD STATE.

[@Broockle]

3v3 hype! 😀

[@lordlopikong6940]

Your early access killed the game. Should've just released it fully complete. Those lost players will never come back. First impressions are important

[@commanderwookiecopc806]

This guy doesn’t work on the game. He just covers it.

[@AtteliaVel]

They ran out of money .

[@user-ur4nl6dq2x]

Oh my god, stop. Just stop. This whole narrative that EA has "killed" the game is naive, stupid, and getting really old. If you do even a modicum of research beyond youtube lies and reddit rants you can disprove this idiotic "the game is ded" with literally a 15 minute google search comparing to other early access games, player counts at launch, and uptake of EA generally. Guess what? All the numbers you're seeing on twitch, steam, youtube vods, etc are 100% normal for early access. The game is not dead. You're just mad. 😂

[@jackadam9348]

Wtf you talking, at least they have room to shift direction. If their version of fully complete is shit, they are done for.

[@likom9813]

the game killed it self dude even without early access the game is already dead from the start of 1st gameplay release.

[@zionellis579]

I think this was a very realistic interview, and overall it has me feeling good about stormgate. Just have to follow through now and show us what they have got. :) Looking forward to their next major iteration of the campaign myself.

[@sLiv256]

So sad to see how the game failed.

[@SC2_Alexandros]

If 3v3 releases before the in-match chat menu which allows people to silence/block players is added... Then this is going to turn out badly. Just look at the state of other RTS team games and the toxicity spewed from even your own teammates. No one is going to want to sit through a 3v3 with a toxic teammate spamming the chat

[@DrawAndErase]

It's a shame people don't understand that FG want to build this game WITH US. It will lead to the best game because players know what they want too and it's easy to test design decisions. I'm tired of saying that because it's a lost cause. I'm having fun playing 1v1 and can't wait to see the game take shape. Enjoy the journey, don't just wait for the destination!

[@vakar4k]

HihoHiho

[@darknetworld]

It not easy to explain since they coding and testing to translate for people to understand. Plus what ever there will be module to easy script cut scene for gamer to make editor map is not easy task for to mod things. At least they work on some area. I guess team limited number devs. As well budget.

[@TheCaptainDamage]

Thanks for your Videos Ghost! But one thing pls: Don't show campaign content in your Videos. Is want to experience the campaign when it's done and I don't want to get spoilers. Thank you!❤

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

"Density" buried good games before and it might do so again. I hope SG avoids that fate.

[@wtfyoshipwns]

@ all stormgate haters : get good noobs

[@Red-wb5jj]

Feedback: Give us auto generated maps, because of a bigger skillsceiling for scouting and as a result a bigger variety and replay value. Give us buildable walls and a resource structure that can produce a resource alone or combinded with a worker so interessting places for battles can emerge from anywhere on the map instead of just at predefined locations. This also contributes to variety and replay value. Both also make additional map types like Nomad possible, where you start with a few workers randomly distributed around the map. The resulting game situations are very different and present players with interesting challenges. Thanks for hearing my feedback and I will be happy to see that in some upcoming updates. Thanks a lot !

[@koala-ytt]

Ninja edit on Kickstarter terms, killing community tools, day 1 DLC on early access, bad animation and model, poor story, general lack of creativity, and many more issues aside. The truth is if they somehow manage to salvage this disaster of a launch I have no faith in Frost Giant as a company anymore. They have shown that they are willing to lie, mislead, and gaslight fans. For me they put a new meaning in "Blizzard veterans".

[@EmpyreanSky]

Expected as much from a koala.

[@koala-ytt]

​@@EmpyreanSky 0 point, 0 argument. That's your defense for this game and this company?

[@Bagginsess]

Mean while you lot will say you like sc2 better as if activision-blizzard are somehow saints. Go cry a river and get over it. The alleged kickstarter edit was said to be made back when you could refund the kickstarter, yes people charge money for their products, story isn't finished, the game is creative saying otherwise is cope, and many more nonsensical complaints you will share on every single video.

[@abbyfromirs]

@@Bagginsess dont waste too much brain power on blizztards cuz they use all their brain just to come up with one sentence

[@koala-ytt]

​@@Bagginsess Has nothing to do with SC2 buddy, the game is just bad. Yes it's in early access but when they show so many glaring flaws you have to start doubting their judgement and execution.

[@amir.r1639]

People are happy for games like new cod which is literally copy past of old codes and designs and games modes They still pay 70 dollars for it then say its bad but still play the game for months But in stormgate which is f2play and EA they just say shit ton of things and they are mad like someone robbed them why these people are mad for a free game? Which is not completed yet They think EA is for VIP people to play it faster But EA is for company to release unfinished product to get feedbacks so they know what the hell they are doing its sad that most childs dont know how development of app or a game works in the modern business

[@LV426Survivor]

"people were expecting starcraft 3..." Well, yeah, they advertised the game as much. Smaller budget than Blizzard back in the day? Starcraft 2 took 100 million and so far stormgate is at what, 40 million?? Starcraft 1's budget was probably next to nothing. WoW initially was 60ish million to make. WORLD OF WARCRAFT... These comments from him sound like excuses to me. 1 mill a month burn rate. They have maybe TOPS one year worth of cash to run on. Guys, maybe time to look at reality: this game is doomed.

[@Richard-ln6ot]

40million justo for the Game? Lol 50% of the budget would have gone into the inicial creation of the compa y and Offices. Learn a little bit more my friend. It's not Blizzard, it's and indie company.

[@Dioxodo1]

Inflation in the US since 2010 (SC2 release date) would make their budget 144.25m usd, that would mean SG has efectively less than a third of the budget

[@Frodonsake24]

No they advertise the game as "a new franchise, blizzard RTS style, a mix between SC2 and W3". And i'm insisting on the "franchise aspect" because you cannot expect Starcraft 3 from this compagny. Only Blizzard can do it and, unless Microsoft changes things up in Blizzard, there won't be a Stacraft 3, period. There's also another key aspect to that : ressources. Blizzard is a HUUUUUUUGEEE compagny. They got planty of ressources, including the very important "game and graphical engine". Most engine are not made for RTS, at all (but are mostly FPS/TPS oriented). People don't realize how big of a role it plays. So, it's not comparable to the scale of a Stacraft 2. Even thought FG had good investors and quite the amount of money for such a small compagny - which would be explained by the amount of experience these guyz represents, and probably a solid business plan and business model. Now people are gonna keep complaining because the gaming community overall (i'm talking about the "vocal part") is toxic. That's it. It's no big surprises here.

[@Bagginsess]

Have you heard of inflation? For sc2 $60 back in 2010 is now $86 and $100 million would be $144 million. For sc1 in 1999 $60 would now be $115 and $40 million would be $77 million. After doing basic math I have found that stormgate's $40 million is less than starcraft 2's $144 million, not to mention that activision-blizzard had far more than $144 million to spend if they so chose where as frost giant only have $40 million total.

[@AtteliaVel]

you have no idea what inflation is or the fact the company had to have startup costs as opposed to an existing operation 😂 . Embarrassing comment which proves the point that many SG critics have no idea what they are talking about

[@daPawlak]

Haters wasting their time commenting how game is done for is so weird phenomenon

[@TheRealCaptainLavender]

There's more people playing concord right now (one of the biggest flops of the year AND it's payed, not free). SG is defs DOA.

[@daPawlak]

@@TheRealCaptainLavender there are enough players to find match quickly and they keep updating regularly

[@ZverseZ]

I mean most of these comments really wanted this game to succeed, but the numbers on all fronts just say "nope" Theres still a chance but they may end up having to downsize the company... I would not want to work at FGS right now ill tell you that

[@daPawlak]

@@ZverseZ no, that is not true. I mean there are plenty people who are like you say. But there is a large group of people who decided they want the game to fail and comment with this intent in mind, and I was talking about them. I had interactions where people mock me or attack for just saying that I enjoy playing this game. There is substantial SG hater population. I guess they too started from the point of having hopes and expectations about this game but at some point (seems like graphics was such point for many) they decided it's a scam or developers are bad or whatever and now they spend time actively working for games failure. It is real, I interact with these people cos as I wrote they often comment on my positive comments.