"STREET" 585 HP N.A. FORD DYNO & TRACK TEST!

Video deals with a magazine article testing 4 different carburetors on the dyno and eventual test @ the racetrack. Questions are higher dyno power correlates to superior track performance?
Surprising results worthy of taking a look at what happened and why it happened.
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[@dalewarriorofthesea3998]

Thankyou Ben for sharing your performance mechanical wisdom Much appreciated

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Thanks Dale!

[@Bbbbad724]

@@benalamedaracing2765I. hope that all is well for you.

[@johnsalvaterra3116]

I remember this car, a trip thru time! We were younger then. Thank you

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Been around that is for sure!

[@ragingbull3406]

Even though I'm Mopar guy thanks for all you do!

[@benalamedaracing2765]

I have a twin turbo B1 Mopar short deck big block. I will do a video of it sometime soon!

[@mr.x1510]

​@@benalamedaracing2765please do Ben. I'm interested in b1 also. Great videos

[@terrygrover6440]

Hello Ben, another great job on this video covering all the bases, this is where you come to get the truth and accurate information, i have alot of stories myself to share on track proven performance i plan to do videos on also, like my friends camaro two 650 carburetor with the choke towers on them on a unported tunnel ram car ran 7.70s at 170 mph in the quarter mile and everyone said he needed two dominator on this he said no i don't the two 650s are plenty for this combo , keep up the good work Ben always enjoy your stories and information 👍

[@benalamedaracing2765]

It takes a very healthy and fat small block to take a much bigger carburetors and like what you found out those 660's center squirters if that is what he has is very hard to beat! 7 sec. run is very impressive no matter how you look at it.

[@williamzoom]

I know a guy running a big block chevy around 480 cubic inches with GM square ports in a Nova with a glide & a 1050 Dominator & I think it's a total dog but he is always right and everyone else is wrong but I think a light car with a big block should run faster than 13.6s!

[@benalamedaracing2765]

William, I am really familiar with those fellas see them all the time. To be blunt many of them never really learn and continue on for years screwing things up!

[@mikes.1882]

Daddy, how come the pistons don't come up to the top of the cylinders? Son, that's what silvolite gave us. When we order a kit, they ALWAYS give up the right parts for our motor. So, I guess that's how they are posed to be. Okay daddy. :)

[@ryangulley2051]

Should run 10s all day long

[@AmericanThunder]

Is he running two donut spares on the back?

[@williamzoom]

@@AmericanThunder It's a low compression turd with a huge cam in it!

[@jarez3781]

Mr. Alameda you're so awesome! I learn a lot from you. Thank you for these vids. I wanted to know If using oil low in numbers so it will be lose and easy to move would be ideal for a mildly supercharged engine running on E-85 or Methanol? Thanks again for the Great Informative videos!

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Yes we run thin oils specially on methanol as the engine plugged in oil heater actually gets cooler (oil temp) when we start to run it. Heavy oils will sludge up and not circulate as much specially with cool fuel (yes, E85 is one) and best is thin oil so it also returns back to the sump faster.

[@bobcuomo5122]

great video thank you Mr Alameda !

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Thanks Bob!

[@427_FE]

That was important information, I ran into the jet extension issue myself! I always wondered why the Carter Thermo-Quad never caught on, seemed like a great idea. Also, do you think a secondary power valve is worth the trouble?

[@benalamedaracing2765]

I feel it is the versatility and easy access to tuning that makes it more user friendly for many racers. For ex. If you are lean on the back cylinders just do the back float bowls unlike the Quadrajet/ThermoQuad you got to take apart the top half and it becomes a hassle. The same thing with engines wherein the 427 SOHC made superior power but in between rounds was a nightmare to go over and the bottom end is not as strong as the Hemi Mopars so they won races but not for long! lol

[@benalamedaracing2765]

On the power valves I would run them on the secondaries specially for a street car to keep the plugs from fouling out specially with a healthy cam!

[@427_FE]

@@benalamedaracing2765 Thanks for the tip !

[@davidcooper2065]

Was it 585 to the wheel or at the crank? Apologize if thats a dumb question, havent finished the vid yet. Wondering because my car is about the same weight and id really like to get into the 10s

[@benalamedaracing2765]

It is rear wheel hp.

[@davidcooper2065]

Thanks Ben. 👍

[@mikes.1882]

650 on a 425 ci. Who would have thought it would be faster Gotta wonder what a 700 holley racing prep, anular booster Then install dog legs and see.

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Only time bigger is better if you have gears, lighter car and good transmission ratios or stall speed.

[@jimmymccormick142]

I always enjoy watching and learning you have great knowledge Ford power forever baby l have a 384 cubic inch winsor with a 375 stoke 22 years ago I run 691 Granny shifting on motor with a 373 gear 26 inch tire 153 sixty foot shifted at 6800 my cam pulled to 7500 so l had a lot left on the table

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Thanks for tuning in Jimmy!

[@edgarmoreno3100]

Great stuff !!! Ben seriously stop sharing all this good information I’m sure your making a lot of engine builders / Engine Masters very angry

[@benalamedaracing2765]

I like it when people respond positively and confirming the things I do when they apply it to their engines. It is rewarding to hear it...

[@69JANKS]

💯👌🏼🏁……

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Thank you!

[@dannydurham5716]

Ben, your videos are very endearing to me. I think one reason is that my hay day was before the internet. We had to absorb everything through books and magazines. One of your videos shows you side by side with Joe Sherman. Brought back great memories.... My grandpa special ordered a 1966 dodge coronet station wagon with a 383 4 barrel (I'm pretty sure AFB carter) and posi traction. He used to take it hunting in the mountains lol On a trip home once he raced a new corvette that was revving at him at three stoplights. He pulled the vette every time. Coincides perfectly with your concept here. Thanks

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Thank you for the kind words and glad you tuned in! It is amazing how torque comes into play perhaps against lighter cars like a Corvette and pulling away from the start! I remember doing the same thing with my heavy Torino back in high school and guys would get frustrated when you gapped them one or more cars off the line! lol

[@richardsmith-qy6vl]

I love your channel im a big block guy but i love all V8s i know i have a 427 thats 0.60 over so a 439 its got afr heads a howards hydraulic roller and a victor jr. With a atm 950 that simple combo with about 10.7 to 1 compression makes as much hp as alot of 468s and 496s i love this combo works great and has been proven for many years. Thanks for all your information

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Thanks Richard.

[@jasonhooey5677]

Bigger doesn't mean better, more peak hp isn't faster. Torque production, flatter curve with a higher average torque will always be faster than more hp. Hp is just an equation using torque at certian rpm

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Yes and no to your comments. Torque across the rpm range is great but when you have a very light car with a Lenco or LIberty, having those extra gears will let you build for high rpm hp, therefore you build the engines very differently looking for top end power more than anything. Gear ratios take care of the torque capability or lack thereof in this scenario. Whether you have a 2 speed powerglide vs. a 4 speed Liberty the approach would dramatically be different. In closing your comments are right on point in regards to torque over horsepower in a street/race applications short of all out racing in a light car.

[@georgeduarte3240]

Excellent example of real world testing. This is good advice Ben. Thanks for your expertise.

[@benalamedaracing2765]

George, as usual buddy take care and thank you!

[@ptwccrider]

Ben , what ET /MPH your yellow stang run in this video? Looks fast!! Launches Hard!!!

[@benalamedaracing2765]

I am not at liberty to specifically details the ET/speeds because we are competing in the "No Time" class! If I may his domination of the small tire class killed the small tire class altogether in several competition associations... That is all I can say about it. Thanks for the comments.

[@davidcooper2065]

What did it run in the 1/4 with the 750? My combo is pretty close with weight, gear, and HP. Wondering if itll get me in the 10.7 range. My 68 is 3200lbs with me in it. Im building a 461 Windsor shooting for 600hp at the crank.

[@clevo351]

Need a better camera buddy ! horrible resolution at 720p

[@benalamedaracing2765]

I know and my wife was just telling me this. I am a rookie with the computer and of course the camera! Have to see instructions to change the hue from yellowish to more normal color. Thanks for reminding me and would have to look into the whole technique.

[@stuartwall8212]

If I am leaving the line with a 302/C4, stock converter, and 3.55 gear, is it best to hit it from idle? If so, would a vacuum secondary be an advantage? 600cfm? little carb for little car😝😆🧐

[@benalamedaracing2765]

There such a thing as "flashing" the converter and it helps flooring from idle! A vacuum secondary will work for a mild combination and usually exhibits strong off line response or power.

[@KingJT80]

dang thats what i have but not installed. 3.55 tru trac and im gonna have a built C4 MECHANICAL secondary and a 2800-3200 stall is what im looking at for next yr. just gonna be a 306 with 180cc aluminum heads ported air-gap and 227/233 .597/.597 lift howards hydro roller cam most likely

[@stuartwall8212]

@@KingJT80lol...3.55 trac loc going in as soon as it warms up. I should be using a converter like that, maybe soon. You should be able to go fast with your recipe, I just have a roller block, dual plane, bowl blended GT40 heads, .444 lift, 210@ .050, long tubes. It will go 100 in the 1/4 if I drive around the water😆

[@stuartwall8212]

@@KingJT80I think the Zephyr is a great car to build by the way.

[@KingJT80]

@@stuartwall8212 thanks. I thought 3.55s was a good compromise between enought gear for what I wanna do and drivong on the freeway without OD when I was thinking about the carb. I was gonna go vacuum secondary 650 at first but the car is light enough so 600 mechanical secondaries will do. Right now I'm having someone weld the subframe connectors in. First things first before the new power!!

[@ray196763]

Thank you Ben I appreciate all your info

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Thank you as well Ray.

[@davidreed6070]

Very good ben, I really appreciate that

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Thanks David.

[@papagreg534]

Right on Benny!!! 👍😎👍

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Thanks Greg.

[@patnaty]

Lot of nitros on the run

[@Mike-FoxsAbroad]

I'm in England and heavy as I can be in the foxbody scene. What car are you referring to that has won an event over here? There are very few foxbodies here and even fewer running fast with Ford engines.

[@benalamedaracing2765]

It is actually a 64 B F/X Comet and cream colored. Straight axle up front. The name on the side is "Rocket".

[@Mike-FoxsAbroad]

@@benalamedaracing2765 Is the car called "The Rocket"?

[@Trev-fl1oe]

Thankyou for sharing mr Alameda. Did you raise the port on them heads.peace

[@benalamedaracing2765]

This was from years ago and I was not at that level yet.

[@Jvcomet]

Good info as always Ben. Thanks for sharing 👍

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Thanks!

[@yolocah]

i always learn something from your videos,keep them coming.

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Thank you sir.

[@A1ABUTLERENTERPRISES]

Didnt the old busch cars run 2bl 500cfm?

[@benalamedaracing2765]

I have some 9.2 deck 2bbl manifolds that I worked on and there are classes that do I just do not know recently if it is still being done today...

[@Hjfvvdst]

So would wide open throttle vacume be an indicator of cfm demand? The 650 had 5.5 and the others had in the 1.7 area. Is their an area of vacume that is generally best? Milling the choke horn off and other modifications may move the carburetor vacume in the wrong direction or in the right direction. Seems like the vacume signal may give a good indicator as to what cfm would run best at the track or street.

[@benalamedaracing2765]

I kind of doubt the validity of such a high vacuum readout and still make power! It is too much of a restriction and would have choked the engine. Thanks you asked and was waiting for the question when I posted it. I on my racecar strive to have a vacuum reading in high gear at the finish line of about .5 to no more than .8 inches. Then I know I am getting as much without having a restriction on my intake systems. However, sometimes when it is this much @ the top the mid range power is a little on the soft side. It is always getting something and paying somewhere down the line for gains therefore it is a give and take scenario.

[@Hjfvvdst]

@benalamedaracing2765 yes, this is what I was asking for. I figured it is a trade off. I was looking for a bracket that usually works. I had a 408 that I built. Years ago. I had a quick fuel RT. 750. I was pulling about .4 at the top. 1/4 mile. I never tried a different carb. But listening to you it sure made me wonder if I left some on the table. Thanks a million for helping me understand.

[@benalamedaracing2765]

@@Hjfvvdst, sounds like you were close to ideal and swapping to a different carb/intake and watching your vacuum numbers on the end will tell you something.

[@garythorsell5061]

Hi Ben another great video thanks 😊

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Thanks Gary.

[@ВасилийУткин-л4н]

Thanks for video!

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Your welcome sir.

[@rickyfulks889]

Air speed is key

[@benalamedaracing2765]

Indeed Ricky and it is the reason we have responsive engines and cannot have good power with lazy ports.

[@rickyfulks889]

@@benalamedaracing2765 thanks always Ben