String Through VS Top Loader Telecaster Which is better

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DylanTalksTone

DylanTalksTone

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@thegaijin
@thegaijin 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I have one tele top loaded, just because the bridge is drilled for both and I figured it would be a bit of a change so why not. My others are string through, and I can say with 100% certainty, that I play equally poorly on both. Actually you nailed it at the end. I did feel a difference as soon as I restrung it as a top loader but after about 5 mins I stopped noticing. Keepin’ it a hundred as usual Dylan. Good level- headed commentary as always. Thank you.
@pawekowalski510
@pawekowalski510 Ай бұрын
For me the most important thing is what to do with screws in bridge saddles which I feel under my palm. I'm looking for any alternative. Are you able to advise any solution?
@xti2020
@xti2020 Ай бұрын
I bought shorter ones
@Luthiart
@Luthiart 2 жыл бұрын
The first guitar I built was a Tele, and it was top-load only (the body I bought didn't have string-through holes drilled). I wasn't the certifiable Tele nut that I am now, and didn't think anything of it at first, but after a while I got curious and drilled holes through the body (badly too... never use a hand drill for that job!), to see if it would make a difference. The most profound change was that the body vibrated a lot more, which made it feel more "alive" when playing it, and I think that affected my perception of the tone. But I eventually made recordings of the guitar strung both ways and there was no difference at all (the pickups don't care how much the wood is vibrating). I thought it felt a little different, but not much. I think that might have been psychological too. You can't get around the physics... As you pointed out; each string HAS to be at a particular tension in order to be tuned to pitch.
@vinq8621
@vinq8621 2 жыл бұрын
Contraversial opinion: I string through my E A D and top load my G B and e strings! I just like how funky it looks and it feels great! Even worse, I also use my string ferrules when top loading strings so that I can bend the strings up a half step! It works great for harmonics on a vibratoless guitar
@paulbcote
@paulbcote 2 жыл бұрын
I like this idea a lot. Of course: why not both! But I don't understand how you use ferrules with the top loaded strings. Thanks.
@notanotherguitarchannel
@notanotherguitarchannel 2 жыл бұрын
Do you put the ferrules in behind the top-loader hole and push bach on them like a tremolo bridge?
@presmasterflash7555
@presmasterflash7555 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulbcote I’m curious to this as well
@johnnydrunkagain3817
@johnnydrunkagain3817 2 жыл бұрын
I have all the same curiosities and questions as these other comments as well, safe to say you have us all scratching our heads, lol! Please reply ASAP with a thorough description of what you meant by also "using your ferrules when top loading." Oooor, even better, possibly make a quick video demonstrating exactly what you are trying to portay here? Much appreciated, thanks! :]
@russflynn
@russflynn Жыл бұрын
Woah! I do the same thing. I like the tightness of the lower-pitched strings going through-body and the slinky feel you get with the higher pitched strings being top-loaded. I had never heard of anyone else doing this but it's cool to know that other folks have the same preference!
@grahamtinkler4562
@grahamtinkler4562 2 жыл бұрын
For me my top loading tele is much nicer to play than it was when it was strung thru', top loading makes is feel very slinky. In fact, I like top loading set-ups so much that I have built a hardtail strat and fitted a cut down, top loading tele bridge on it and it has become my favourite guitar!
@Hiro.the.God.
@Hiro.the.God. 2 жыл бұрын
Same. I prefer it now.
@jonthehermit8082
@jonthehermit8082 Жыл бұрын
@@Hiro.the.God.same, I feel a slight bit more slinkyness toploaded , mine does both and I’ve switched it up several times, that’s the only noticeable difference I can tell so I stuck with it.
@gregm1194
@gregm1194 2 жыл бұрын
To my ear the two sounded very different. The top loader had a thinner or more shimmery sound like 60s country, Buck Owens etc, and the through body was thicker, more of a Rock sound.
@floridasaltlife
@floridasaltlife 3 ай бұрын
I felt the same and don't consider myself to have a very good ear...
@jessejordache1869
@jessejordache1869 25 күн бұрын
I heard that too -- when it was string through, the light strings were saying "everyone, listen to ME!" and when it was top strung the bass strings were all like "This is OUR guitar". So while he was waiting for the sustain to end, I DID think of a hybrid-strung guitar. Which would be the most Telecaster thing ever. I mean, there's no law saying they all have to be strung the same way.
@ricklodewell6012
@ricklodewell6012 2 жыл бұрын
I watch a lot of Dylan videos not so much because i plan to buy something or do something. I just find him interesting and very pleasant. Plus, I do learn a lot. So, thanks, Dylan!
@BaronQ
@BaronQ 2 жыл бұрын
Agree, he's a confident but not arrogant, dude with zero agenda, just delivers facts. The world would be much improved if more were like him... 🙂
@jw_au
@jw_au 2 жыл бұрын
Same here
@aleisterbroley900
@aleisterbroley900 2 жыл бұрын
Break angle changes PERCEIVED tension. And yes, people can feel it... It's why people top-wrap their tailpieces on LP's and such. And it's why my Strat setups were in such high demand-- slightly tinkering with break angle (at both nut and saddle) can make a real dog of a guitar into one that plays like a dream.
@robjgolde3221
@robjgolde3221 2 жыл бұрын
String-thru definitely sounds more “snappy”, a bit more highs come through. If I had a Tele and had the option of string-thru or top-load, i’d probably have the lower strings strung-thru and the high strings top-loaded.
@michaelnugent9758
@michaelnugent9758 2 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna have to try that! I have a dual load bridge. Very cool idea.
@Kenzabukuro
@Kenzabukuro 2 жыл бұрын
This is what I do, works great. I think lol
@SquirrelDarling1
@SquirrelDarling1 Жыл бұрын
That’s an idea, have to try it.
@jeffgerndt2813
@jeffgerndt2813 Жыл бұрын
Good idea
@mr1bienvenu1
@mr1bienvenu1 11 ай бұрын
My Telecaster doesn't give me that option thank God. One less thing to worry about 😅
@2dazetake
@2dazetake 2 жыл бұрын
I will take my top loader any day,over a string thru,much more slinky feel to me,less break angle does equate to a slinkyer feel,that's one of the reason Les Paul players raise the stop bar tail pieces, to change the angle and get a less tightness in the strings,it is a big deal when it comes to bending strings,you might lose some tone by going top loader, and changing the break angle,just as you do when there is too much relief in the neck,a small bit of sustain may be lost , but it does makes a big difference in the way a guitar feels,it is a personal preference,I myself like a guitar that plays like butter,with low action that I don't have to fight.
@johnkammerer2198
@johnkammerer2198 2 жыл бұрын
Great video on a fascinating topic that seems to polarize guitarists. I went with a top loader "to try" (I can drill 6 holes and sinks) and I really like it. To me, the amount of mass of the actual bridge plate, screwed tight up on that body, top-loader has great sustain and tone. I recently made two T-styles - one with a brass nut and the fat, heavy bridge, one with a titanium nut and the ashtray bridge - BOTH with the EMG T-System. They sound completely different. I really think this is a golden age for us players who love to tinker. And Tele parts are cheap, relatively available, and play well with other after market things. Thanks for fighting the good fight Dyan! ~j in Utah USA
@MrChopsticktech
@MrChopsticktech 2 жыл бұрын
I constantly read articles/watch KZbin videos where players say brass bridges don't affect tone. I also play bass, and 9 out of 10 bass players insist heavier bridges, brass nuts etc don't make a difference, especially on sustain.
@normbarrows
@normbarrows 2 жыл бұрын
You can measure the bending force required for string through vs top loader with a fish scale. Example: How many pounds to deflect (bend) #2 string by 3/4" at the 12th fret. Your choice of which strings, at what frets. and how much deflection. If the force required is the same, then its all in our heads. Could be an interesting test.
@mindfield9832
@mindfield9832 Жыл бұрын
He did a video of that with a Les Paul top warp vs standard
@ShawnBrockMusic
@ShawnBrockMusic Жыл бұрын
My only trouble with a lot of Toploader teles, is when I do much string bending, the strings start sliding around on the saddle, thus I must run the action a little higher than when I am playing string through the body. this happens even when I switch it up and put A heavier gauge on. you nailed it though, in my opinion, more of a difference in field, not the greatest difference in sustain, although, I do think I get a little more snap on a Toploader, or have to work less to get snap.
@Sellarmusic
@Sellarmusic 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a top loader Mexican Tele on ebay once for $80 and after trying a few sets of strings I just didn't like the way it played or how dead it sounded. I was going to unload it but decided to have my guitar tech drill it out and covert it to string through because I loved the cream color of the guitar. The guitar instantly came alive and once again had that familiar Telecaster spank. I don't know why but there was a substantial voicing difference on this one particular guitar. I only noticed a slight difference in the way it played. I think that may have been a small difference in string tension.
@xtheory
@xtheory 2 жыл бұрын
What I love about Dylan is that he’s always spitting strait.
@jimhova
@jimhova 2 жыл бұрын
I like top-load because you can swap out the pickup without having to change strings. I find it difficult to find just the right tele bridge pickup. So far I like the Fender pure vintage 64(A5) as the best bang for the buck.
@kirkscobey3031
@kirkscobey3031 2 жыл бұрын
Try some Rio Grandes… they’re awesome
@nineislandshuffle6599
@nineislandshuffle6599 2 жыл бұрын
Fair and honest assessment. No drama. Thanks for posting.
@Hiro.the.God.
@Hiro.the.God. 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought a Guitar with a top loader hard tail, and I’m a big fan. I absolutely love it.
@stewsim
@stewsim 2 жыл бұрын
In ‘59, Fender did the top load bridge on Tele’s & Esquires, for just that year, then changed back to thrubody in’60. I’ve had a couple of these in my shop. What I’ve noticed is the top loaders are a bit more “strident” (brighter). But I don’t think there’s any difference in feel.
@davemassie3726
@davemassie3726 2 жыл бұрын
Jim Campolongo 59 Esquire string thru = MAGIC
@lumberlikwidator8863
@lumberlikwidator8863 11 ай бұрын
Irving Sloan, in his 1975 book, Steel String Guitar Construction, has a chapter where he describes how James D’Aquisto built his archtop guitars. Sloane stated that D’A had extraordinary control of the tone of his instruments, even after they were completed, and that he would modify the bridge or tailpiece to suit the buyer. If the buyer wanted more sustain, James would substitute a solid ebony bridge for the adjustable one with posts and thumbwheels. If the buyer wanted softer tone James would raise the tailpiece in order to lessen the break angle of the strings over the bridge. If the buyer wanted looser action James would substitute a shorter tailpiece to increase the free length of string behind the bridge and the strings would become easier to fret. I have observed this in my own solidbody builds. From my very first scratch built guitar I have always placed the stoptail a little more than twice the distance from the bridge than would be found on an SG or a Les Paul. The difference in tone and playability is remarkable. The strings feel quite a bit softer and the tone is fatter, without the screeching high end that I hate. I’ve had Les Paul players remark upon this when they play my guitars. I know this can be a subjective thing, but this is my personal experience. I began placing my tailpieces farther from the bridge even before I read Mr. Sloane’s book, and I agree totally with what James D’Aquisto had to say about the matter.
@daleturner3507
@daleturner3507 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve actually tried it. I like the top load but I also don’t believe it changed the tone at all. I did bump up to 9.5 strings from 9s and I just like how the guitar plays. For me I like the top load.
@toploadtele
@toploadtele 2 жыл бұрын
Top Loaders seem to have multipal advantages, most of which are mentioned in previous comments: FYI - Jimmy Page's Dragon Tele is a Top Loader as well as may other famous players - Fender introduced the first Top Load Tele's in 1958... I prefer the lower break angle.
@shanewalton8888
@shanewalton8888 2 жыл бұрын
"C'Mon, C'Mon! Feel the Vibrations!" Sorry, I couldn't help but sing Marky Mark when you said that.
@JBGuitarInstruction
@JBGuitarInstruction 9 ай бұрын
I’ve tried both and agree that the tension of the strings is lower with top load. I don’t think the sound is different. Like you, I prefer a the tension of the string through. Thanks 🙏
@aaronherdman5008
@aaronherdman5008 2 жыл бұрын
Cool experiment! The string-through sample seemed ever so slightly brighter to my ear. But maybe that has more to do with the difference in how it felt and how you played than the inherent tonal characteristics of the guitar.
@davidpicard5376
@davidpicard5376 Жыл бұрын
It was definitely tighter , brighter and somehow less busy.
@Rrgr5
@Rrgr5 2 жыл бұрын
Well, at least top loaded is less time consuming to build, less drilling at least, but it makes me wonder if holds tuning all that well, I remember that once I played a Strat that felt different enough to play that feels odd, way faster, really jangly stuff, than, after I finished I saw it was a top loaded, I want to build a custom for me and I like to source somethings from Dylan and I'm glad he made a video about it.
@davidriley4895
@davidriley4895 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for addressing this. I have been wondering about it for a while. Really enjoy your channel
@leonarddaneman810
@leonarddaneman810 Жыл бұрын
It is sort of like intonation, but the change will be in total string riding over the saddle when you bend a note. The string through will have more to stretch and be easier to bend while the top load will be tighter, more tension with the same bend. The total bend will be the same string length from saddle to fret, but a little easier with the string through. The greater tension with the top load may produce a different note. (?)
@satanbane
@satanbane Ай бұрын
Very interesting comparison, thanks for this. I also saw Zac of Ask Zac do this comparison. In both cases, I am somewhat amazed to admit that I do hear a difference, especially through better speakers than the usual mobile-device. It's subtle, but definitely there, and I definitely prefer the tone of the string-through. Whether it's the string physics directly, or how it leads you to play.
@misubi
@misubi Жыл бұрын
Top loaders have a snappier feel with softening of the note bloom. I had an expensive I did everything imaginable to but wasn’t in love with and finally changed to top loader which made it feel much better.
@roberteasleysr9108
@roberteasleysr9108 2 жыл бұрын
Great information . I have a top load and was thinking about making it a string through . Now I won’t bother . I like the way it is now and why bother doing that for such little return .
@guitarbobification
@guitarbobification 2 жыл бұрын
I don't always agree with you but I enjoy hearing your opinion. I have many telecasters some top loaders some string through. I love them all! Funny enough I have never tried the side by side comparison that you just did. I think I just enjoy each one on its own merits. Keep up the good work!
@paulferraby1202
@paulferraby1202 2 жыл бұрын
With a string through, the force from the string tension is pushing the bridge on to the body, but with a top load, the string tension is trying to pull the bridge off the body. The string load from the toploader is putting tension is trying to bend the bridge plate and pull the screws out so the bridge plate stiffness must come into play somehow -at least in theory. With the strings though the body, the bridge plate is being pushed down onto the body by the saddles and there is much less loading on the screws as they mainly resist the forces trying to slide the bridge back towards the nut.
@Bliggick
@Bliggick 2 жыл бұрын
If I had this choice on a Tele there is a one and only reason I would stick with the body through string up. I wouldn't want to come home from a gig and discover I had lost a string ferrule because there was no string to retain it and it had fallen out. I have owned Teles in the past where a string ferrule became loose and would fall out with no string to hold it in place.
@TheMNB
@TheMNB 2 жыл бұрын
The best playing guitar I've ever.played was neck through body with a string through body bridge. I thought the neck thru was the magic, but I think it's more string thru cuz a tele just has something to it for solid playability. Even a cheap one. Maybe I should deck the trem on my Strat, but I like my trem, I'm willing to make the sacrifice. It still plays pretty well.
@davemassie3726
@davemassie3726 2 жыл бұрын
Jim Caoalongo 59 Esquire string-thru = Telemeister!
@jdkimple
@jdkimple 2 жыл бұрын
I literally just did this a day before your video came out - restrung my Tele to top loader. My experience was similar in that there was a bit of a difference but not much. Tone-wise I noticed no real discernable difference.
@michaelheller8841
@michaelheller8841 2 жыл бұрын
Dylan, you hit the nail on the head on this one. I own 3 Tele's. One being a Reverend Greg Koch Gristlemaster, through body-strung Tele style guitar. 2) Jimmy Page Signature Telecasters. The American-made Jimmy is the mirror one and that is a top loader. The Dragon Jimmy is Mexican that is through the body. They all sound different. I feel the top loader is just a tad slinkier if that's a word lol. You can bend notes better. The other two make me play a bit differently with more hybrid picking. I don't know why that is, it just happens. More twang, less twang, more bending, less bending? the tones? they are all different. That's what's great about Tele's they're a workhorse that you can play really anything on them. I personally don't favor the through the body or top load. I pick up the guitar and my hands just do the rest. I do play them all differently.
@thomastourville1674
@thomastourville1674 2 жыл бұрын
Hi dylan & Leslie, just wanted to Wish You Both A Marry Christmas And A Happy New Year! Be Safe and God Bless.
@Voxguitarsrock
@Voxguitarsrock 2 жыл бұрын
My Tele clone has a bridge that I can load either way. Once in a while I restring it opposite to what I did last. I don't notice much ( if any) tone or sustain differences but it does " feel" a little different to play , if that makes any sense. Good video, Thanks.
@davemack6384
@davemack6384 10 ай бұрын
My top loader sustains for days and is slightly slinkier to play. String bends never slip on the saddles. plays the same as my 52 reissue.
@eliotoole
@eliotoole 2 жыл бұрын
I have a tele top loader and a strat with the tremolo string through and I love both
@Barabyk
@Barabyk 2 жыл бұрын
Tension of the active part of the string is the same, but while bending/fretting we have different length to 'pre-load' - takes different 'distance' to cover to reach the same tension - shorter (top-loader) may feel slightly stiffer in my experience (less of a wire to play with, quicker to reach desired tension/pre-load/magic. But honestly, I observe things in a very similar fashion as you do so, yeah...
@rockstarimotski
@rockstarimotski 2 жыл бұрын
Only thing I want to know, do strings break less when top loaded? I've had problems with that string trough angle, always snapping strings at the same point (multiple guitars)
@gunlak
@gunlak 2 жыл бұрын
in my experience as a guitar tech for the last decade, yes. the lesser break angle reduces the added stress on the sharp angles. In my personal teles, I string them hybridly. by stringing thru the thick strings (E, A, and G) and top loading the thinner strings (D, b, e) so that I can maximize the lifespan of strings.
@pops71
@pops71 2 жыл бұрын
I am a huge fan of top loaders. I love the slinky tension.
@jazzalmenasmusic
@jazzalmenasmusic 7 ай бұрын
I have had both. Very nominal tone change, tension may be even softer when top loading. Only complaint would be string change, but the rest is OK!
@WickedFesterBand
@WickedFesterBand 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the stiffness when bending with different break angles. I think of this more at the nut with headstock break angle or extra string trees on a Strat but there are the top wrap Les Paul folks. I suppose double locking systems make this a mute point. 😂 I was born a Les Paul player so I like break angles. I like a stiff feel.
@me-xv6tf
@me-xv6tf 6 ай бұрын
Top loaded sounds 'softer' to me... a bit less twang. Describing the feel and sound as being between 9's & 10's is a perfect description 👍 I prefer string through because, like you, I prefer to fight with the strings a bit. I use 12's on my acoustic and 11's on my 12-string, so I like being able to dig-in for my sound.
@ChrisMaloneMusic
@ChrisMaloneMusic 2 жыл бұрын
I just did this on my American Professional 2 tele. I had the exact same experience
@pskemster
@pskemster 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dylan, Just weighing in with your discussion. Now I have always had the thought that when a string is strung through The body the string ball would vibrate from the metal string ferrules allowing there to add to vibration. There’s the question. As for me I will stay with a solid yes. Not disparaging a top loading bridge . But the string vibration I personally can tell And feel. I am a lover of string resonance when you can feel the wood vibrate. But that again is subject to opinion.
@wrayven
@wrayven 2 жыл бұрын
I have used both, but prefer string through over top loader. String through seems to have a bit more low end response, but it's pretty subtle difference. I prefer to use heavier strings with heavy tension, so the string through helps with what I want out a Telecaster. I get why some prefer the top loader bridge for a Telecaster though. It's really a personal preference.
@alexmiranda2652
@alexmiranda2652 2 жыл бұрын
To my ear the top loader is a lot more stable and in tune than the string through. The string through slightly wavers in and out of tune when you move around a little bit and I guess that’s what gives it it’s charm, but I also love a solid top loading tele.
@colinricgmailcom
@colinricgmailcom 2 жыл бұрын
I just say my favourite guitar/s are telecaster types. I am experimenting on different hardware. #1 - 2 * P-Rails (Seymour Duncan) with "Triple Play" surrounds and a Wilkinson (Gotoh/Fishman power bridge with piezo pickup) trem/vibrato. #2 - With a ceramic neck pickup and a Broadcaster bridge pickup and Stetsbar Trem. #3 - Typical neck and bridge pickup and again a Stetsbar Trem, all with TUSQ nuts and locking tuners. With all the changes, I've made, I have noticed they all still sound like guitars! If I get one that sounds like a trombone I'll let you know!
@nickf9392
@nickf9392 2 жыл бұрын
Just my take. As guitar players we are actually receiving "feed back" from the instrument that people who are just listening to it are not getting. Its much like the driver of a car notices thing about the car that the passenger does not. Its because your senses are feeling the feed back of the cars control as you are driving. And this feed back is likely why people swear it makes a difference and others say they don't hear it. I listened to this video and did not hear a bit of difference. And you heard his comment...they felt different and I completely believe that.
@Glicksman1
@Glicksman1 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, Dylan, string tension changes between top and through-loading can easily be measured, however subtle. Whether an individual player can feel it and for how long, as you said, is another matter. I have found that negative string length makes a difference in feel and sound, but admittedly, no guitar I have ever played could easily or quickly enough be switched from one to the other to make a good test. Also, I have found that the tailpiece design and the break angle over the bridge saddles makes a great deal of difference. A stop tail vs. a Bigsby vs. a trapeze is significant.
@roberthastings708
@roberthastings708 Жыл бұрын
I think I missed this 1st time around. I've played both. I didn't really notice any difference. My Tele is string thru and ot suits me just fine. I might put some DTT PUs in it after all my other guitar projects are done. I do remember the tone wood shoot out. I did NOT miss that. Good stuff. Thanks, Dylan.
@charlescorry3331
@charlescorry3331 2 жыл бұрын
i break more strings with the string through body and breaking strings makes me feel cool. Thanks Dylan for the fun vids
@planet_oith
@planet_oith Жыл бұрын
I bust my 20yr old high E string on my top load Affinity Telecaster (again!) while fooling with set up but there is enough length left on it for another repair. I find the dull sound of the antiquated string set to be pleasing on the ear, but the wound strings are splintering now. I don't think I would have them today if on a through body Tele, as the 90° bend would be vulnerable to earlier breakage, and spare workable string left if any for repairs. I may have to treat ourselves with a new set if perfect set up is achieved...one-day. Metallic blue and maple sure is pretty.
@beeps123
@beeps123 2 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoying watching this. Thank you. Very good video.
@boseefusmacmurphy1156
@boseefusmacmurphy1156 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought two teles from GFS, for the record they were both better than I had anticipated.. hell I even like the single neck pickup! Which I didn't think I would. . I immediately changed the strings to top load, I just feel putting all of the resonance possible into a tele bridge is the tone I'm looking for. I always loved the idea of the string through body, until I got a couple deans and found out it makes the guitar seem too bright, which would probably be good for a tele in most situations but just not really my cup 'o tea
@sunn_bass
@sunn_bass 2 жыл бұрын
I've only ever noticed minor differences in feel between top loading vs string thru. I prefer top loading. I tend to break strings faster on string thru where the break angle is.
@bjornchristiansson2827
@bjornchristiansson2827 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dylan! I play both ways for years! I even have a Joe barden bridge on my 1962 Tele. I play big strings 0,13-0,58 E-flat and as I bend a lot there is a difference as I'm topload or go true body . I even change to a Junior tailpice on a Tele whit studs as a Gibson JR. I try top wrap it and I try string true even there. Tone wise then ! As you use a alloy bridge as a full bar that boost the tone and it push out it way more! Benefits ot that bridge is less tuning issues so as sadels move and you go out of tune. I never play skinny necks mostly I prefer D profile to the big strings. And I rock the shit out of my gear. And old wood is harder as it more dry over a longer time. That do part of tune as well! That's my input what I'm try and experience so far. Best regards from Scandinavia Sweden 🇸🇪
@billkallas1762
@billkallas1762 Жыл бұрын
My bridge is like that too. I just changed my strings this week, so I might try that next time. Even if I can't tell the difference, it'll be fun to change things around. I wonder if you normally use 9-42's string through, if top loaded 9.5-44's, would feel the same.
@wyattsdad8561
@wyattsdad8561 6 ай бұрын
Dude it does affect the way the strings feel then. And it sounds different too.
@MurrayWilliams
@MurrayWilliams 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Tele that can do both string-through and top-load. The feel and the sound difference is extremely minimal. (I couldn’t hear or feel a difference.) I’ve played guitar for forty years so I’m not just getting started. If you can feel a difference then good on ya, but the difference isn’t enough to worry about. If I was blindfolded I probably couldn’t tell the difference. That being said I do choose string-through on the guitar where I can do either. …mainly because it’s easier to string that way.
@TheRealDealBobbySteele
@TheRealDealBobbySteele 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video I was thinking about this when I bought my tele now I know I put way too much thought into something kinda trivial next time I will just go by feel and tone. I bought a string through and I play the crap out of it
@windsurfmaui8239
@windsurfmaui8239 2 жыл бұрын
I've listened to this video a few times now and it has made me reconsider one of my own builds. I am building a StratoPaul with humbuckers and a Gibson conversion neck. I have a body with a Fender Trem system but I now wonder after watching your video if I need a hardtail Strat with a top loading bridge in order to build a Strat that sounds and feels like a Les Paul. Thanks for doing this video.
@dreamscuba
@dreamscuba 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I have 2 teles, one has a bridge that can be top loaded or string through, the other only string through. I have the first top loaded. I can't say I notice a difference in feel. The sound is different due to wildly different pickups in the guitars.
@aaronwentzel4145
@aaronwentzel4145 2 жыл бұрын
Great topic! Been looking for info on this for a few years. Have a 90s Duo Sonic with a top loader and have always wondered how that affects the sound. Thanks!!!
@JosePineda-jn8jk
@JosePineda-jn8jk Жыл бұрын
I traded a guitar for a Squier with a top loader. I will say I have played string through tele’s before and I could not tell a difference in playability or sound. I will say I never tested them back to back but, the most important to me is tone and a tele is a tele is a tele lol. My favorite guitars for reference are wrap around bridges anyways so top loading feels right at home to me but, they are more annoying to string up!
@kirkscobey3031
@kirkscobey3031 2 жыл бұрын
Well Gibson are all top loaded and resonance isn’t an issue which to me would suggest scale length/tension or wood but they are mounted differently…. Food for thought!
@valueofnothing2487
@valueofnothing2487 2 жыл бұрын
I probably wouldn't use the top loading bridge because I would worry that the bridge were screws or wood might not be a sufficient quality to keep it fixed. But I might turn it down a half a step or replace the stock bridge.
@henkehakansson2004
@henkehakansson2004 Жыл бұрын
It's mostly just a feel thing when bending and a string saving thing. Not all the string set should be top or body-through loaded. Some strings that are the slackest in tension, say low E and a plain G should have though body, and the most tensioned strings like the spun d string and high e top loaded. Through body high e string snaps the most. Or sooner than the rest of the strings. As for sound it's so subtle that it is neglible. Another point is that I feel I have to retune/fine tune more often with through body stringing than top loaded. So I like bridge plates made for both options. It's a pity there aren't "halfway" of the other strings, it's either that too steep angle or that almost too shallow angle.
@Voartist
@Voartist 2 жыл бұрын
At 8:33 you said it will make you play different because of the tension difference. Earlier in the video you said tension isn't an issue (paraphrasing). Did you mean it wasn't an issue for tone? I built a nice Tele kit that is not through the body. I thought about changing to through-the-body but after seeing this, it isn't work the trouble and expense. It sounds good and feels good too.
@vanshankguitars
@vanshankguitars 3 жыл бұрын
Is the difference as drastic as trem Strat vs hardtail Strat?
@DJBuglip
@DJBuglip 2 жыл бұрын
I've got both. Just got a string-through thinline semi-hollow one this week. I like the top-loader for the really twangy tele sounds, but I dunno that there's a big difference.
@jamesmarkham7489
@jamesmarkham7489 2 жыл бұрын
If everything affects tone, the necks with block inlays vs dot inlays should be audibly different. There wood is removed and the string is vibrating on other materials. See how silly that sounds.
@JoeMama410
@JoeMama410 2 жыл бұрын
I like Phil McKnight’s philosophy: everything makes a difference, the question is how much. Inlays might make a .000001% difference; top loading might make .01%.
@raytorvalds3699
@raytorvalds3699 2 жыл бұрын
@@JoeMama410 I like that too. Kind of hard to argue.
@CABallIII
@CABallIII 2 жыл бұрын
I think the primary difference in tone inlays would be material, e.g. mother-of-tone is crisp yet fragrant (especially around 1.3kHz), where tonebalone is succulent and rich in fiber. A lot of people can't hear the difference...they're the lucky ones. 🤣
@MrChopsticktech
@MrChopsticktech 2 жыл бұрын
@@JoeMama410 One hundredth of a percent is minuscule and I would sincerely doubt anyone could notice a difference.
@raytorvalds3699
@raytorvalds3699 2 жыл бұрын
@@CABallIII 🤣
@Mrthreadedtime
@Mrthreadedtime 2 жыл бұрын
Easily the tension is higher on the through body. overall string length is longer ( much like the scale length). If the string is longer it takes more tension to reach the same tone. If it is a shorter scale it has a looser feel. A top load makes for a shorter string (similar to a shorter scale length) .therefore it takes less tension to reach the same tone.
@marcm2277
@marcm2277 Жыл бұрын
I put string through holes on my project tele, but using even a slightly different size string changes the feel way more than top load vs string through imo. Can't speak for the sound too much. As long as there's nothing "wrong" with the sound I feel like you tend to get used to those subtle differences pretty quick as well (until you switch to another guitar that is different). Big thing for me is that my top load was picky about string gauge. I bought a pair of the David Gilmore GHS strings (which are only 9s) and the low e didn't fit all the way through. I bought some ferrules, drilled some holes and wa la. I can use whatever string size or brand that I want now.
@iannicholls7476
@iannicholls7476 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison. I think you are right about it feels as if there is a lighter gauge of strings on the guitar. I get the same effect with my Music Man. The 4 over 2 headstock means that the top E and B strings feel much more “bendy” than the same strings on a Strat or Tele. It’s nice but you don’t notice it after a while.
@charleswallace5818
@charleswallace5818 2 жыл бұрын
String through seemed fuller. Top loader seems thinner in sound. Not sure it would make or break a song though. Thanks for sharing
@roberteasleysr9108
@roberteasleysr9108 2 жыл бұрын
I agree , but I think the Telly sound really came to life when top loaded .
@bigwavedave8492
@bigwavedave8492 2 жыл бұрын
Been a top loader for a couple years once you get used to it ... you dig it I did it years ago because I heard that Jimmy page did it
@jimcamp2423
@jimcamp2423 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer the string thru the body, but not for anything more than what the tension of the strings is pulling against. With the string thru, the ball end is pulling from the bottom side of the guitar in the ferrule hardware. Whatever tension that is happening occurs at the bottom of the guitar and the 1 3/4 inch of wood. With the top loader, the string is pulling from the back of the bridge plate & forward. I guess it's no big deal because the screws are long enough to anchor in the wood for the top loader, but that pull could loosen the bridge plate over months or years ? I have a Squier Bullet Strat that is a fixed bridge & top loader. It's a 2005, 17 years old and periodically I have to tighten the 5 screws holding the bridge plate to the body. A Fender string thru bridge plate for that same concept has only 3 screws at the back of the plate. I figure the extra 2 screws on the top loader are there for a reason and it's to hold the bridge plate down on the top loader at 5 points rather than 3. I don't know if the string thru bridge plate ever has enough pull on the bridge plate string thru holes to ever move or loosen the 3 back screws. I don't know that it makes any difference beyond that & the break angle of the string prior to bending over the saddle in that slot. And that, like you said a differential in down force on the saddle feet & chromed bridge plate is probably the difference in the feel of the strings. I'm not going to lose sleep over which I have, the Teles I have are string thru body. The Strats I have one a top loader, the other a string thru the trem block. And the LP, that was the Gibson Epiphone 1 piece intonated wrap over that really didn't change when the Bigsby was added. The stings either go thru a hole, direction is towards the back end and wrap over or the strings anchor on a pin, direction is towards the back end and wrap over, both to the intonated saddle piece.
@DDWyss
@DDWyss 2 жыл бұрын
I've never done that 'through body' vs 'through bridge' comparison on a tele, but I have done a similar comparison on a Les Paul by raising and lowering the tailpiece. Similarly, that changes the break angle of the strings behind the bridge, and to me, it had similar results to what Dylan got in this video. The sound was basically the same, if not entirely the same, and only the feel of the guitar was noticeably different. But it was a subtly difference that almost certainly would no longer be noticeable after playing the guitar a while. Dylan, have you ever done a video comparing 'top wrapping' vs. 'through bridge' methods of stringing a Les Paul?
@lancecox8084
@lancecox8084 Жыл бұрын
Did you have to adjust the intonation and action, when you changed to top loading?
@chrispodesta8105
@chrispodesta8105 2 жыл бұрын
The best/only way to get this guitar to sound good is to go through the top loader, BACKWARDS, around the body of the guitar, then through-body string it. Anything else and you might as well be playing a tennis racket through one of them 80 dolla MEGA amps. fight me
@RaptorV1USA
@RaptorV1USA 2 жыл бұрын
bro... where you get your 35% longer strings at yo? I'm on it.
@spicealbert4904
@spicealbert4904 2 жыл бұрын
So the bridge to nut tension can't change or the pitch would change. But you're describing what sounds like a change of tension there without a change in pitch. Please explain.
@kenpfeil5320
@kenpfeil5320 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Definitely a Gibson vs Fender or Ford vs Chevy type discussion. Personally, I’ve found that reducing the break and does have a negligible impact on feel when played back to back. Seems a touch spongier for lack or better word. Decreased break angle can minimize string breakage at the saddle depending on how aggressive you play. Tonally speaking, it may have more impact on a jazz box and certainly an acoustic.
@totallyunmemorable
@totallyunmemorable 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I hear it. I like the top loader better. Jay Leonard J did a video on this as well. I made the comment that the string through sounds like a piano, whereas the top loader sounds like a harpsicord. That's an exaggeration of course. I struggled a bit with the slacker top loader feel on my own Tele - considered going to an 11 set - but I've gotten used to it.
@egoncorneliscallery9535
@egoncorneliscallery9535 Жыл бұрын
I saw that video too. My tele bridge has both options. The thing is, on Jay's vid the top loader sounded a tad thinner. Not what i want on mine. Also, it depends on what you are used to. I don't mind fighting the tele a tad, comes w the territory. Or you could use lighter strings..
@SoloSi2024
@SoloSi2024 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't mind trying a 6 way bridge with block saddles. Trouble is, they usually have a longer bridge plate, so routing is different to my 4 screw vintage.
@limpneckmike
@limpneckmike Жыл бұрын
I prefer top loading, and it’s never been because of tone or feel. It’s just a pain in the ass to string the guitar through the back.
@GtrMan863
@GtrMan863 2 жыл бұрын
String through, Leo Fender original design that's what makes the Telecaster and sustain sustain sustain 🎸🎸
@romeou4965
@romeou4965 2 жыл бұрын
string through promotes more wood vibration which increases resonance thus affecting tone
@chrisdunnam4490
@chrisdunnam4490 2 жыл бұрын
Really like the top loader tone
@univibe23
@univibe23 2 жыл бұрын
I may be completely off base but I'm hearing a lot more treble twang on the top load.
@ravenslaves
@ravenslaves 2 жыл бұрын
I've played both ways, I have Teles that are set up both ways. I prefer the string through for the most part, I have no problems bending 12's so the tension difference (bending tension) isn't an issue. ...What I haven't tried...yet...is mixing the string through stings with the top mount strings on the same bridge. That could be fun.
@laurentmeiller5171
@laurentmeiller5171 2 жыл бұрын
something logical : when the string is through the body, the bigger diameter is down and not in contact with the fingers so we can feel less tension on pulling the string for tremolo so, when the string is on the top, it's a bigger diameter on the fingers and perhaps more efficient for rythm no ?
@billmiller9763
@billmiller9763 Жыл бұрын
I have a top loaded telecaster and I got to say I don't like changing strings as it is harder to change. Other than that it's fine.
@enriquemendez1507
@enriquemendez1507 11 ай бұрын
Idk about "in 2 hours who cares just play". We as guitarists do Soo many little things in that tone chase from changing picks and string gauge, tone knobs, that I really doubt it's as simple as that. It is hard to articulate though. Someone said top load is like having some compression on your tone.
@larryperez5761
@larryperez5761 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't with you more, great video.
@thesocialartsclub9095
@thesocialartsclub9095 2 жыл бұрын
Through body: 3:43 Top load: 4:32
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