Triumph Bonneville ownership. Copper Grease controversy, Putting the record straight!

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stuart fillingham

stuart fillingham

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@gwynnromano5881
@gwynnromano5881 5 жыл бұрын
I’m a former ASE certified master tech. Your information is spot on. Excellent explanation and advice.
@richardyardley5127
@richardyardley5127 2 жыл бұрын
Shortly after I purchased my 2004 MG TF in 2018, I undertook an under bonnet bolt upgrade to stainless steel bolts. The engine lives behind the seats in a TF, so all the bolts under the bonnet are for ancillary items, such as cooling, ABS circuits, electrics etc. I caught the existing bolts just in time. They were cheap zinc coated items and the threads were rusted and just starting to seize and the ones in the bonnet slam plate almost snapped, so I had a very lucky day!! I smeared the replacement stainless bolts with copper grease. 3 years later, I had to remove a couple of the new copper treated stainless bolts during routine maintenance and they unscrewed cleanly and smoothly. No rust, no seize!! Great video Stu and spot on as always 😊
@SuperMarge123
@SuperMarge123 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent truly excellent come back . I've been a motor vehicle mechanic for 50 years and I was instructed as an apprentice to use Copper Slip as it was called back in the day on many many aplications including brake components. I can state it works very well and never ever caused a problem ,in fact it had great benefits in repeat maintainance. Obviously keep it away from friction surfaces which you rely on to stop. Deep gratitude and thank you Regards Gareth Wiltshire.
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Gareth, Im sure ill still take some flack for this one! lol
@tonywatts1895
@tonywatts1895 5 жыл бұрын
I was a heavy duty fitter for 23 years in the Australian mining industry and we fitters swore by copper coat it made our lives easier on rebuilds Cat made there own and they know a thing or two about protecting machinery in harsh environments, I agree with everything you have stated.
@andrewhannam.
@andrewhannam. 5 жыл бұрын
Copper grease is still taught to my generation of auto technicians in college (2003) We are also instructed to use some copper grease or silicone lubricant where the pad contact the pad retainers and slider pins to keep a floating calipers, well floating. I live in Atlantic Canada so our conditions require this to stop calipers from seizing ect. Great video Sir!
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Andrew
@bigredbeerandblues
@bigredbeerandblues 5 жыл бұрын
Here here. I am a mechanical engineer with 40 plus years and when working on cars and bikes and any other mechanical device with fasteners and sliding components this is my go to prodct
@michaelmclarney1994
@michaelmclarney1994 3 жыл бұрын
Great advice! I have always used copper slip on the backs of brake pads and threads without a problem. As long as fasteners are torqued up correctly there is no issue.
@JerryMotorsport
@JerryMotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Very useful, thank you. I've had comment on the use of copper grease on wheel nuts/bolts as being a complete no no and also read tales of many other places you shouldn't ever use it. I've been using CG for years to prevent nuts/bolts/studs from seizing and never had them shear or fall out. I did however manage to undo them when I wanted to; without getting a 6-foot long scaffold tube on the end of my chosen tool. I just make sure I follow the instructions. As you said, the manufacturer's have no interest in marketing a product that is unsafe to use and risk being sued, their reputations and, by extension, their businesses.
@triumphrider9796
@triumphrider9796 5 жыл бұрын
I'd actually never heard of any of this, possibly as I've no training as a mechanic, but I've also never seen a mention of this product in any factory service manual I have. Very informative and well-researched piece! Being forced to resign was far too mild a penalty for dear old Edwina.
@ultimatehandyman
@ultimatehandyman 4 жыл бұрын
Someone just posted this video as a comment on one of my videos, I’m so glad that they did. I’ve been using copper grease on aluminium and steel components for years, with zero problems. In one of my videos I recommended using it and got plenty of comments, just like you described. Another one that keeps cropping up is locknuts, when you tighten the first nut to the specified torque, then use a “half nut” to lock it in position. You would not believe the amount of people that say you have to use the “half nut” first, then use the full size nut to lock up the half nut 😉
@matthewcoldicutt5951
@matthewcoldicutt5951 5 жыл бұрын
Arriving at my local mechanic one morning, he was popping some copper slip around around a a brake caliper, reminding me of the tube we had in the garage . What could be simpler, and so well tried and tested . I wasn't aware of the controversy. But well done for all the common sense and clarity, Stuart. You have the support of some learned and experienced people on the subject. I have my girlfriend with me, who until today was completely unaware of your posts She now finds you compelling, especially after your appraisal of longer bolts and screws on bikes. I'll try dab on the exposed ones on the TX 650 Yamaha
@ettoredicarlo1679
@ettoredicarlo1679 5 жыл бұрын
You are 100%right .I still using the same tube of copper grease after 15 year, how about value for money!
@whittlad
@whittlad 5 жыл бұрын
A well written, researched and presented response that has surely opened a massive can of worms. That said, I agree with your reasoning.
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
just thought it was time someone said something Neill!
@dougchapman248
@dougchapman248 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Stuart, l would say common sense prevails I have been using copper slip on brake pads for over 35 years and never had a problem. Keep up the good work.
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Doug!
@xperiakppxperiaphone2807
@xperiakppxperiaphone2807 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Stuart, once again a well presented and researched video. I have used VHT grease in the past, just be very careful not to contaminate the pads or disk.
@poofacio
@poofacio 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, used it for 50 years, never had one problem.
@williamturner3157
@williamturner3157 5 жыл бұрын
Good video. Driving and riding over 36 years, always had brake pads with a thin layer of copper grease on them by garages and trusted mates. Got drawn in delboy ,workshop debacle made me question who was right, consulted my Haynes Manuel for my bike and it says to use a thin layer of copper grease. So any doubters consult owners manual or expert advice. Don't believe self appointed experts on you tube. Great advice from you by the way.
@jackzac
@jackzac 5 жыл бұрын
I have used copper slip for over 35 years most days of the week and never had a problem with it
@WayneWoodruff
@WayneWoodruff 5 жыл бұрын
I've been using it for decades and, god willing, I'll continue to use it for decades to come.
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Ill drink to that wayne!
@billcaveny9495
@billcaveny9495 5 жыл бұрын
Quite right Stuart..👍
@RedfordBaron
@RedfordBaron 5 жыл бұрын
Another great video I've been using copper grease for years and it lovely on toast as well
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Oh NO!!!! Dont say that! they'll make a video telling us how Copper Grease on toast causes your wheel bearings to fail!
@RedfordBaron
@RedfordBaron 5 жыл бұрын
NO NO your wheel bearings will be fine it might make your clutch squeak Ha Ha@@stuartfillingham
@ronnronn55
@ronnronn55 5 жыл бұрын
You'll never rust :)
@robertyoung5910
@robertyoung5910 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, keep them coming.
@johnconnor513
@johnconnor513 2 жыл бұрын
This has to have been the most enjoyable and entertaining modern day history lesson I've had. Thank you for taking the time to research and produce this.
@tinks43
@tinks43 5 жыл бұрын
Here here, I’ve been using it for 25 years since my dad showed me how to change brakes and never once had a problem. Trolls will be trolls just stick to what you know, do your own research & make your own decision 👍🏻
@tinks43
@tinks43 5 жыл бұрын
craw81 Certainly not.
@tinks43
@tinks43 5 жыл бұрын
craw81 I was referring generally to the Trolling as Stuart pointed out being as he’s in the raw end of it, you get the haters, you get the lovers. As I said previously, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and can do as they choose. It’s one of those Marmite subjects. Have a good day.
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
@@tinks43 Hi Cotti really sorry someone decided to have a go at you sir. I have removed their comments and ill keep an eye on things!
@tinks43
@tinks43 5 жыл бұрын
stuart fillingham Don’t worry about it Stuart, each to their own hey. I don’t like Marmite but I do like Copper Paste.... on toast 🤣.
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
@@tinks43Oh no dont say that! someone will make a video about the dangers of putting CG on your toast! never the less cotti ive never tolerated that kind of thing on this channel. I like it to be a family friendly platform where likeminded friends can enjoy the content!
@pauldavison2116
@pauldavison2116 5 жыл бұрын
Just got a O2 removal kit from TTP. In the kit is a small toothpaste tube of Copper Grease (no brand name on the container). The grease is used to put on the threads of the S.S. plugs that go in the exhaust tubes where the O2 sensor used to go. Guess what the last line on the tube says???? "HELPS PREVENT DISC BRAKE SQUEALS.". YUP!
@stuartfillingham7011
@stuartfillingham7011 5 жыл бұрын
Ah thank you paul. That is interesting!
@coleythailand999
@coleythailand999 5 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Stuart! Just tell em where it's at! Science is cool!
@ronaldthomas9396
@ronaldthomas9396 2 жыл бұрын
I have used copper greese exactly as you do for the past 54 years with out a problem and continue to do so!
@rodscroggins9984
@rodscroggins9984 5 жыл бұрын
Stuart, you are the man!
@danmcneil7181
@danmcneil7181 4 жыл бұрын
Once again Stuart you hit the nail on the head. I've used CopperEase or comparable products for 40+ years with no problems when used properly. Another good troll destroying video. Keep it up. Cheers, Dan
@Milo_Minderbinder
@Milo_Minderbinder 4 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right. Copper paste is brilliant for most application, where seizure is a problem. But I must emphasize, that it is not usefull when lubrification is needed. I once used it on the cardan shaft and compensation piece of my Guzzi. The teeth were completely worn after 50000km. The copper paste was dry and acted more like sand paper.
@kevinjerome4925
@kevinjerome4925 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative - thank you. My only contribution would be, that torque settings for threaded components are usually quoted for “dry” threads. A lubed thread can tighten up much more than a dry one on the same torque setting. There are charts available, for use to compensate for different lubricated torque setting situations, to prevent problems with over tightening.
@kevinjerome4925
@kevinjerome4925 3 жыл бұрын
A lubed thread could actually strip if torque applied thread not compensated for being lubed.
@FredWilbury
@FredWilbury 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Stuart...... I’d watched the workshop .....and just felt I had to watch this again ......... best regards Fred ... ps still learning still tinkering
@robosborne6514
@robosborne6514 5 жыл бұрын
I have used Copper Coat & the Silver Antiseize since my dad showed me & gave me a half tin in my early 20s, great video thanking you
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Rob. I wonder how many trade names there are for copper grease, copper coat is another one i had forgotten about!
@robosborne6514
@robosborne6514 5 жыл бұрын
Stuart I have only ever known it as Copper Coat here in Australia, did you know of the Silver Antiseize
@stuartfillingham7011
@stuartfillingham7011 5 жыл бұрын
@@robosborne6514 am aware of it but must admit ive never used it.
@robosborne6514
@robosborne6514 5 жыл бұрын
My dad showed us as young children how & where to use Antiseize & Copper Coat came later, I love them both. Have always listened to the olden ways of doing thing's, don't trust modern ways with many thing's
@stuartfillingham7011
@stuartfillingham7011 5 жыл бұрын
@@robosborne6514 I agree rob often they are just attempts to reinvent the wheel with no real new benefits, just a higher price tag!
@zainchristopher2536
@zainchristopher2536 4 жыл бұрын
Good information. Have you any thoughts on the merits of replacing factory hardware with stainless to reduce corrosion? It’s common practice with high end restoration projects on vehicles like FJ 40s by ICON. I’m not proposing doing it all at once, but as a part of a standard maintenance regimen e.g., when serving the calipers, replace the factory bolts, and so on. Just curious. Thanks.
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 4 жыл бұрын
Its a very good but time consuming idea. They used to sell SS fasteners kits for all the Japanese bikes back in the day!
@shrory
@shrory 5 жыл бұрын
I've been using it since the 50's, 65 yrs, sat on the shed floor helping my father repair bikes, from Bantams, to Square fours, never had a problem, I was told only apply a little because it cost so much. SIDE NOTE, just said to my Canadian wife (whilst listening to Stuart), do I sound like him, (I'm a Stockport lad) yes she said, I did not realize I kept my accent LOL
@hudsonrilke
@hudsonrilke 5 жыл бұрын
I think they’re rebranding it as Fuchs C word. Well researched and presented
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
LOL thanks you sir!
@daveackers4373
@daveackers4373 5 жыл бұрын
Nice one Stu. Like the majority here, my dad used it for 20 plus years and I have, never a problem. Great vid again mate. 👍
@twocrowsdown
@twocrowsdown 5 жыл бұрын
Sixteen minute video telling me something I already knew : most of what you read in FB is uninformed opinion presented as fact. Deleted my FB account last year and I’m finding Twitter is going down the same path. And yes-I have a tin of Kopr Kote on my shelf 👍
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Copper Kote, i forgot about that one!
@hopgood007
@hopgood007 5 жыл бұрын
Well said sir, well said (I noticed DelBoys Garage has the same issue). As other subscribers have said I've used Copper Grease on my bikes for 30 years without any issues whatsoever. Great to see Willow back on the channel. #firedupfillingham
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul, yeah I believe hes come under substantial fire over this, no need for it really. My turn next im guessing!
@dlcarburetor
@dlcarburetor 2 жыл бұрын
In my years as a mechanic I experienced that same as you. Many benefits and very little negatives to the use of copper grease.
@chrisbolton2500
@chrisbolton2500 5 жыл бұрын
The best thing to apply is a modicum of common sense. A thin coating on the back of the pads, I've never had an issue. Ladle it on like icing on a wedding cake.........you're asking for trouble. Mind you, I've seen brake discs cleaned with WF40 because the surface rust irritated the owner. You cant help some folk. Thanks for the information and the polarity Stuart.
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
very well said sir, most of the pseudo demonstrations we see show an obscene amount being used. just asking for trouble!
@stevenhill6214
@stevenhill6214 5 жыл бұрын
I have been using copper grease since i started doing car and bike repairs in the 70s, plenty of advantages, zero problems....except for once forgetting to put the top back on the tube and then watching it squish out all over the floor when i accidentally kneeled on it, still funny after all this time.
@nightster6378
@nightster6378 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Steven I don't know how many tubes of solvol autosol has shot across my garage floor or driveway. If u step on it properly it can easily go 6ft backed up by the usual expletives.
@stevenhill6214
@stevenhill6214 5 жыл бұрын
@@nightster6378 HaHa yes i forgot to mention the expletives. I wonder just how many tubes of stuff have been wasted in this way?
@classic-fan6177
@classic-fan6177 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with your comments. I have been using copper slip on brakes, in the appropriate places, for well over 40 years. The only time where an alternative may be required is with some types of ABS systems and pad wear indicators where a ceramic grease should be used.
@chrisbryan3624
@chrisbryan3624 5 жыл бұрын
An very erudite and enlightening upload Professor Fillingham. Thank you.
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
ERUDITE! I dont know what that means im going to have to google it!
@chrisbryan3624
@chrisbryan3624 5 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
@@chrisbryan3624Ah erudite! looked it up Thank you sir, feel a bit stupid now! we live and learn!
@chrisbryan3624
@chrisbryan3624 5 жыл бұрын
You certainly know and research your stuff, l’m very grateful for all the effort you put into your channel and the clear and concise way you articulate your points. My thanks and respect to you Sir!
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
@@chrisbryan3624Thanks again chris, i try my best!
@johnstainton9815
@johnstainton9815 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Stuart, some comments mixing up PBC (poly butile cuprasil) with copper grease. In the north sea oil industry were I worked for 25 years, we found that after a few months the threaded lid of an explosion proof box treated with copper grease was difficult or impossible to remove. The grease appeared to turn to sand. After changing to PBC the problem when away. Having now run out of PBC it is difficult to find a supplier who does not want to sell a minimum of twelve tubes. Keep up the good work. A Yorkshire man in Scotland.
@deanmsimpson
@deanmsimpson 3 жыл бұрын
What metal was the explosion proof box made of?
@johnstainton9815
@johnstainton9815 3 жыл бұрын
@@deanmsimpson Hello, Aluminum. John.
@deanmsimpson
@deanmsimpson 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnstainton9815 Thanks for your reply John. So, is it true, galvanic corrosion did take place because of the use of copper grease in the salt water environment? I've never heard of PBC. So I Googled it. It looks just like copper grease. Is that true? PBC grease looks like Copper Grease, but it is in actual fact different?
@johnstainton9815
@johnstainton9815 3 жыл бұрын
@@deanmsimpson Hello Dean, Yes it is different, not sure how but it has a higher max working temperature, and works better in a salt laden atmosphere. John.
@deanmsimpson
@deanmsimpson 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnstainton9815 I see, that's interesting. Thank-you for sharing your knowledge.
@hmcgoon7565
@hmcgoon7565 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information,
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Your very welcome sir!
@funguseater40
@funguseater40 5 жыл бұрын
I have had my current Tub of Copperslip for nearly 30 years, and is only half used! Use it for Brakes as you mention, and most bolts I take of/replace on the bike. Never had a problem. I don't listen to the NaySayers ! I use it sparingly.
@UK-Drumwrecker
@UK-Drumwrecker 5 жыл бұрын
Not a lot wrong with Copper slip but Petroleum grease shouldn't be allowed to get any where near rubber, and as most folk apply it too thickly it can get to the wrong places. I had a VFR that had the pin that runs in a rubber guide greased and the guide had expanded by at least 25% so guided nothing. The previous owner was a VW mechanic. Use the correct grease, there are quite few we should have in our garage apart from Copper Grease such as HMP grease, Red grease, Aluminium grease or Aluslip.
@Mikey__R
@Mikey__R 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ron, where can I read about the different kinds of grease, and what they're for? If I Google it, I know I'll get a ton of misinformation. Do you know of an authoritative source for good information?
@UK-Drumwrecker
@UK-Drumwrecker 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mikey__R there was a great sticky post on the Oracle VFR forum but I couldn't find it last time. I'm sure there must be info on the web somewhere. I started to get interested when I found an engine bolt had seized on my Suzuki GS500 and got talking to a Suzuki fitter who told me about Aluslip. The came red rubber grease and realised there were more greases around than I thought and all for different uses. Red grease I think is important for use around seals etc. Another useful one is of course silicone grease and so on. I'm only a learner about these things.
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mikey__Rjust find a leading brand you trust and take a look through their catalogue of products. the product descriptions can be quite useful for that kind of info.
@UK-Drumwrecker
@UK-Drumwrecker 5 жыл бұрын
Stuart, excellent idea
@sober198862
@sober198862 2 жыл бұрын
For me, this video is very valuable. Thank you, Sir.
@whiterabbit201
@whiterabbit201 5 жыл бұрын
LOL!!! Loved the video! Any mechanic worth his salt has a bin full of anti-seize and lock tite! I keep the copper, nickle, and graphite versions and the silver nickle version will get all over you just by looking at it across the room.
@iangilmour1597
@iangilmour1597 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative ,you make sense of it all thankyou keep on doing what your doing and forget about the clowns kid
@daveyoude2828
@daveyoude2828 5 жыл бұрын
Flippin ek Stu... I was about to have an egg 🍳!.... I did laugh when I saw the copper grease police respond to your last vid... like you I have been using it for 35 years for numerous applications and yes, I sill alive... and guess what, OEMs use it and not only the automotive industry.. you are correct to say there are some ill informed people and some god awful mechanics out there .... great vid, good to hear from a man of experience..🚜
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave!
@nicholasknibbs8162
@nicholasknibbs8162 5 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@carlberg6918
@carlberg6918 3 жыл бұрын
Stuart you certainly do your home work, and you are spot on as most have said, thanks for the advert for FUCHS. nearly spelty it wrong. Do you remember what was call in my early days MOLLY SLIP ?????
@angelolarasantos
@angelolarasantos 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, I ended up reaching your channel because I was looking for information about the Boneville T120 that I want to buy. I'll confess, I never had as much interesting information as I do now watching your videos! If I had known about this copper grease before, I would certainly have used it, I always had problems with the brakes of my motorbikes, but I always thought it was just like that, the corrosion, the difficulty in removing a screw, everything, I never paid attention to these facts. Thanks for the great videos, I'm learning a lot from them!
@stephenreynolds6378
@stephenreynolds6378 4 жыл бұрын
My uncle George who was an avid home mechanic from the 1940s onwards showed me how to clean rebuild and lubricate brakes.copperslip is what i use and have been for 30 years now.
@IsmailDawood-rc2zv
@IsmailDawood-rc2zv Жыл бұрын
Is copper grease safe on the caliper pin boot rubbers ?
@gronno
@gronno 9 ай бұрын
There is proper red rubber grease for that, I wouldn't use Cs in that area.
@ronaldwaddell3135
@ronaldwaddell3135 5 жыл бұрын
Well done.
@simoncarson6327
@simoncarson6327 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Stuart! Started by watching your appraisal of the Dart screen, linked to me by a friend...Have now spent over 2 hrs watching some of your videos! You're obviously a person who thinks before opening their mouth! Excellent content, & great presentation! you have another subscriber!! (57yr old), 2011 T100, but so many similarities to your T120.Keep it up! (love the dry wit too!)
@canopus101
@canopus101 4 жыл бұрын
i heard, only recently, that copper grease should not be used on brakes. I promptly forgot this as I have been using copper grease for decades and it has saved me a huge amount of work and expense. I use it on calliper pins and also on parts like the front axle or spindle, to allow easy removal. The only caution is that use on critical threads that need to be tightened to a specific torque will lead to an inaccurate torque value. On sliding parts, such as taper pins and spindles, it is invaluable. I have never had any problem, quite the reverse, and have been using copper grease since 1976. Not much is needed, unless memory is faulty, I am now on my second tin! Another good video, which gives the background to the story.
@yorkshireteaahhhnice1417
@yorkshireteaahhhnice1417 5 жыл бұрын
Copper slip used for last 40 years on motorcycle and car brake pads. don’t use too much so it goes everywhere. Fitted some seat brackets on my Morris minor 20 years ago and put copper slip on bolts that went into captive bolts in floor pan that’s exposed to road grime and salt, had to remove them before Xmas and they came undone with no effort. Copper slip has its place in this modern world
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Ah! yet another experienced user! Thank you sir.
@kevansimister3967
@kevansimister3967 2 жыл бұрын
As you said copper grease has now used by most off the motor trade , I have never had a problem I have employed up to 20 staff we all use copper grease and will still carry on
@iivaridark6850
@iivaridark6850 5 жыл бұрын
I have a fresh occurrence. Yes, I have been using copper paste in my cars for quite a long time, decades, and although we have cold winters and a great deal on road salting, there has not been any issues. Earlier, I did have a habit of going through the brakes once a year but slowly went to check them once in 2 or 3 years. I'm not a workaholic! But, now we had a new car - and it has only 7700kms on it so I didn't bother to go through the brakes... And last week - the right rear brake got a little ice/stuck and when it released we had some system diagnostic alerts (park hill assist, abs and like)... Codes were temporary so nothing to worry - but I was not eager to work on those brakes because of the cold weather so we had to go to the dealer service today (luckily it was a rather pleasant weather to drive) and check codes and service the brakes. They disassembled and most likely added some copper paste on certain places of mechanisms so the water doesn't have a go into the sensitive spots where it might cause trouble when freezing... Well, I know I have been lazy on our bikes but have to remember to service the brakes (brakes are a kill of speed after all!) - at least my bike's rear brake is squealing, it's in factory state so there is no copper paste behind pads. There will be. Oh, aluminium paste, I have it too and I use it! It's good too on aluminium parts...
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment Mr Dark, always a pleasure to hear from you!
@thanhto3023
@thanhto3023 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Stuart, the brake pads for T120 have the metal cover on the back(For noise reduction I think). Do/Should you put copper grease on that?
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 4 жыл бұрын
No!
@janzienkiewicz5295
@janzienkiewicz5295 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant repost 👍🏼Now Stuart there's just one more little problem for you to put people straight on..............BREXIT 😁
@robs4006
@robs4006 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting Stuart. One of the bloggers I follow has been slated on this one - I think you will know who I mean ...
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Are we talking about Delboy? yeah its a shame, dont agree with everything he posts but he certainly doesnt deserve the grief he gets.
@robs4006
@robs4006 5 жыл бұрын
@@stuartfillingham totally agree Stuart, there's plenty of room for everyone on here. Likewise, I don't agree with everything he posts, but I enjoy his videos and their presentation. Keep yours coming - it's a highlight of each week
@stevenhill6214
@stevenhill6214 5 жыл бұрын
@@robs4006 Just don't say anything even slightly critical on Delboy's channel or you may get blocked. I too enjoy watching his videos (probably because of his enthusiasm as much as anything else) and also don't agree with everything he says, but i made the mistake of pointing out that he could have avoided having resin run all over the place by using a bit of plasticine, and he could have taken it as a bit of friendly advice but didn't and i have been excommunicated ever since. Still watch his videos though.
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
Im Not defending anyone on that one Steven, But be aware Del may have strict filtering set up on his channel as I do. Sometimes even I wonder why it has filtered certain comments out as I can find nothing wrong with them. It would be nice not to have any filtering on at all, but ive found that that would just make the comments section a very unpleasant place!
@stevenhill6214
@stevenhill6214 5 жыл бұрын
@@stuartfillingham Having read some nasty stuff on other channels i quite understand your position on that. I am sure that you realise from my other comment that i am with you on the copper grease thing, and even a smart cookie like Matt would have trouble convincing me that copper slip does not help prevent corrosion on the retaining pins etc.
@raymorris952
@raymorris952 5 жыл бұрын
Your right, no problem with using it, advancement in brake Tec has made it unnecessary in many cases, ie squeal pads and pad clips, but if you want to still use it, Go ahead. I was always told when I was trained not to use it on rubber ? Silicone grease for that, I use Red Rubber Grease. Top work Stuart, keep it up.
@daveshegedin2576
@daveshegedin2576 4 жыл бұрын
HI Stuart,Just watched this...very interesting and a wonderful explanation that cut through all the "newspeak" (look up the definition people ) and got right to the nitty gritty . I lived in the UK 1988-1993 (finished up at Lutterworth , Leics.) so remember Edwina Currie and all the grief she caused alright !! My Dad was a fitter/ petrol / diesel mechanic for decades and swore by copper grease. Best wishes, Dave. NZ
@hollowaysteve
@hollowaysteve 5 жыл бұрын
Nicely done. I don’t mean this to be particularly negative to those ‘alternative thinkers’ as we are all made differently, but those people shouting down copper grease and sending you what turn out to be adverts instead of facts are clearly devoid of any ‘critical thinking’. Those people that are easily swayed without any actual proof or relevant experience. Something to be aware of perhaps is that apparently, the only potentially negative thing about copper grease is to be careful when applying onto ‘high torque’ bolts as it can cause slippage and the torque wrench could turn the bolt further than it should and deform/twist the bolt as the copper (anti-seize) has allowed the bolt to continue moving further than when in a dry thread. Probably best not to use on those high torque items. Don’t know if it’s an actual truth and have never experienced it myself but have been shown photos of bolts that have suffered. I no longer copper grease the wheel nuts on my BMW.
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
manufacturers take that in to account steve, when calculating torque values. using anti seize compound will over torque by no more than 25% the manufacturers allow upto 72% was going to mention it but the video was over running.
@hollowaysteve
@hollowaysteve 5 жыл бұрын
@@stuartfillingham I wasn't aware. Good to know.
@nicholaselmslie6055
@nicholaselmslie6055 5 жыл бұрын
You are correct. Manufacturer's torque settings on all bolts are normally for a bolt or screw not lubricated in any way. However, suppliers of stainless steel fasteners recommend the use of copper grease to prevent seizure.
@nikoscosmos
@nikoscosmos 5 жыл бұрын
I've never had any issues with copper grease in RB211s.
@paulfr68
@paulfr68 5 жыл бұрын
Eggzactly right! I’ve been using since I got my first bike. Never had any trails of Copaslip on the road behind me!
@ghardi6324
@ghardi6324 5 жыл бұрын
I knew very little about copper grease before watching this. Based on the amount of research you obviously put into your informative video im betting your right and I will be following your example regarding the use of copper grease. Thanks for the video!
@mikehogan1184
@mikehogan1184 5 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work your videos are brilliant
@stuartfillingham7011
@stuartfillingham7011 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike!
@bobstevens9040
@bobstevens9040 5 жыл бұрын
A very informative video Stuart as usual. You have cast a sober eye over the maelstrom of misinformation swilling around inside "social meejah" and produced an articulate rebuttal. Keep the vids coming owd son
@theteadrinker-143
@theteadrinker-143 3 жыл бұрын
Been using copper grease for 40 odd years now never had a problem.
@guruprakash1278
@guruprakash1278 5 жыл бұрын
Narration is excellent and enlightening !
@jamesl4446
@jamesl4446 4 жыл бұрын
I have used copper grease for over 25 years, in the automotive repair world, never had a problem.
@TheDervMan
@TheDervMan 5 жыл бұрын
Nice one 👍🏻👌🏼
@russparker71
@russparker71 4 жыл бұрын
I've used Copper Kote on bike parts for 40 years and never had an issue. I wasn't even aware there was an argument against it until now. I wouldn't ever consider putting a steel bolt into alloy without a smear of good old Copper Kote!
@johncochrane644
@johncochrane644 3 жыл бұрын
I've been using my tin of Copper-Kote for over 40 years on threads anywhere I liked on a bike (and I've owned more than 30) and it is the best thing out. No seizing, no corrosion ever regardless of the metals involved.
@danielfarmer4311
@danielfarmer4311 5 жыл бұрын
It’s beautiful there.
@everythingandanything6405
@everythingandanything6405 5 жыл бұрын
Earlier this year my van brake lines, abs sensor wires and associated loom were attacked by rats, cost me £800 including recovery. Take van to county authority workshop for mot and mentioned what happened to them. They advised wiping coppaslip over the lines and cables to repel vermin, they do the same for school minibuses etc that can be left standing during holiday periods. On my to do list, incidentally was mentioned to me that rats like brake fluid (or the glycerin), how true is open debate. Have also used coppaslip for as long as I can remember, and intend to continue to do so.
@garybrown4854
@garybrown4854 3 жыл бұрын
Recently did a service and and re grease of all the pivot points on my 2007 Honda Deuville 700 , so that was the rear panniers off swing arm out ect nearly every nut and bolt had seized including the rear caliper , I'd not had it that long and it had only done 30k miles but I don't think anyone had had it apart from new , no evidence of copper grease anywhere on the bike , what should have been a simple selection of jobs took bloody ages , some of Mr hondas design and construction didn't help either . Everything that went back on the bike had a bit of copper grease and should be easy to do next time , for me or the next owner . I've had a few new bikes in my time and always take time to go round the bike copper greasing the threads with a small paint brush before the winter hits .
@geoffgreenhalgh3553
@geoffgreenhalgh3553 3 жыл бұрын
PBC Poli Butyl Cuprycil. (Copaslip) Used it by the bucket full when assembling large nuts on large shafts. Helps eliminate galling etc. It's also carcinogenic, so wear gloves.
@andrerobertdrouin3642
@andrerobertdrouin3642 2 жыл бұрын
Stuart was re listening to your vids especially this one came memories . My trip in Chile south America made mepost a remark below about copper grease . I was using it at home in Montreal because of high humidity and my trips in salty air . When travelling in northern Chile in the Atacama desert region dust was getting in everywhere , worst air filter and brakes .It even got in the brake cups thus reaking havoc and seezing them slightly , the savior copper grease , yes in Santiago i ad to reclean the whole works but the brakes worked fine and saved costly brake parts change in a country where my bike was an unknown model in the late sixties . So i swear by copper grease .
@kennethhume8628
@kennethhume8628 4 жыл бұрын
Another very interesting video Stuart , you seem to have upset a few trolls which can’t be a bad thing .
@victorgonza4528
@victorgonza4528 4 жыл бұрын
phenomenal info video ..man
@DougRansom1
@DougRansom1 2 жыл бұрын
I have been using copper grease on the backs of brake pads for six months - never any problem.
@martinlong8739
@martinlong8739 5 жыл бұрын
it appears this video is closed to new comments however well meaning.......
@stuartfillingham
@stuartfillingham 5 жыл бұрын
No its not closed and never has been, I think it was just a case of the filters removing your comment because of the language you used!
@williamashe9485
@williamashe9485 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@Mikey__R
@Mikey__R 5 жыл бұрын
It really does bug me when people present hypotheses as conclusions, without any of the experimental evidence between.
@memybikeni9931
@memybikeni9931 3 жыл бұрын
Good vid, nicely presented
@srl9727
@srl9727 4 жыл бұрын
Apparently Edwina has a large following in the colonies these days. Copper anti-seize is a staple in my shop.
@kevinansell9341
@kevinansell9341 5 жыл бұрын
Jeez, What is it about people and Copper Slip now days ? Blow up Copper Slip TROLLS on sale at your local Halfrauds £1.99 a throw...
@kevinansell9341
@kevinansell9341 5 жыл бұрын
Another Professional Copper slip advocate. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXi9qnqYhp6crrs
@johnhayward7173
@johnhayward7173 5 жыл бұрын
Cable ties, Gaffa Tape, Jubilee Clips, WD40........and Copper Slip.
@daveinwla6360
@daveinwla6360 4 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing that gaffer's tape and (in the U.S.) duct tape are the same thing - gaffer's tape used by lighting technicians in film and TV productions, presumably to tape things down temporarily, and duct tape used by air conditioning technicians to seal duct joints. Duct tape is usually a silver colored fabric tape that can be ripped manually. Is gaffer's tape similar?
@blueteeth.spooker
@blueteeth.spooker 4 жыл бұрын
@@daveinwla6360 hi Dave, yes, same thing
@colincoleman2536
@colincoleman2536 3 жыл бұрын
Well put over uncle Stu all makes sound sense to me.
@MoxyDave
@MoxyDave 2 жыл бұрын
I use high-temp adhesive to adhere the pads to the piston (brake squeal stop products commonly available at the store). I also use high-temp grease on the caliper bolt threads. It seems to me you're basically doing the same thing with copper grease. I imagine it works fine, but to me that's not the right tool for the job. Copper grease is designed to prevent seizure from galvanic corrosion; e.g. steel bolts in aluminum engine blocks. The entire caliper is meant to float, not the pads by themselves. If the pads are allowed to move without the pistons, that is exactly what causes brake squealing. Just my $.02 after 50 years of shadetree wrenching ... ymmv
@mark3427
@mark3427 3 жыл бұрын
Copper grease. . One of the mechanics best friends.
@frenchenstein
@frenchenstein 3 жыл бұрын
I thought you were going to say Chelsea. Now that is swearing!
@tombowen8091
@tombowen8091 3 жыл бұрын
i have had copper slip in my shed for 40 years plus , i use it on my stuff , others get ...... grease ? , lol
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