Student Pilot Tries Landings In A Cessna 172

[@LukePylypciw]

Cessna Commercial: “Along with your poor visibility because of our incorrect wing placement, pilots can enjoy getting a stronger right leg than their left due to excessive need for right rudder!”

[@theinfiniteflightdeck]

“And as if that wasn’t enough, if the pilot so desires, they can quickly transform this aircraft into a superb boat”

[@mattbasford6299]

Have you seen a bird with low wings or fixed gear?

[@mytech6779]

Too much right rudder is a symptom of a poor owner. C172 have ground adjustable rudder trim. The C177 was designed for better visibility but was not as popular. As Joe Christy explains: We liked that airplane, and found almost nothing to pick at. However, owners soon discovered to their horror that it didn't fly or land exactly like a strutless Skyhawk, and some heavy-handed Super-Car drivers managed to smash the Cardinal tail into the pavement on landing, knock-off a few nose-wheels, etc. (apparently, this was possible if one closed his eyes, used full back-pressure on the wheel at the flare and then sat rigidly waiting for the crashing noises to subside). Cessna accepted the blame gracefully. That was proper because, after all, they had lulled a generation of Cessna pilots into near-effortless flying with the extremely forgiving 172 series, and it probably wasn't ethical to suddenly offer, to many of those same customers, a Cessna that didn't handle exactly like a Cessna. The company therefore picked up the tab for a list of modifications that gentled the Cardinal and returned the smiles to the faces of dealers and customers.

[@isacjohnson8891]

just have the rudder trim set to reduce the amount of rudder needed

[@kimberlywentworth9160]

My left leg is stronger than my right leg. You must have a really weak right leg if you can not hold the rudder. Maybe you need to go to the gym and get in shape. PS, so strange that the Cessna is in such high demand for an aircraft that you are talking bad about. All aircraft have good and bad qualities. I flew the Piper and yes a nice aircraft but it was very hot inside. I would take a Cessna any day over a Piper. But that is personal preference as I can not stand being so hot.

[@wghart1]

It seems there is a pattern. Piper is having problems but the Cessna is always ready to go.

[@randc47]

Glen Hartline 🤔😂

[@mikehawk3866]

Yeah look at how he’s not changing tanks every 4.52 minutes... or hand cranking his flaps like an amateur

[@lancevg4898]

That enthusiasm when he nailed that second last landing was my favorite part! another awesome and instructive video.

[@av8npa]

When one starts in a 172, then has to transition into the PA28, it's less of "the Cessna is squirrely" and more of "the Cherokee is like a Ford F-150 with the power steering out". If you want real entertainment at a student's expense, put them in a Mooney! Love the videos - keep em coming!

[@HoosierPilot]

Cessnas are great for slow flight, because their top speed is slow flight. I learned in and still fly a Cessna 152 mostly because it’s the cheapest plane to learn in, but I hope to have a low wing for my channel eventually. They look they way a plane is supposed to.

[@mattf49006]

Never saw a low wing bird

[@HoosierPilot]

Matt Foster I’ve never seen one with an engine either 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mattf49006]

@@HoosierPilot ..never seen a low wing pure glider either

[@HoosierPilot]

Matt Foster I’ve also never seen a fixed wing bird.

[@linearj2951]

And Pipers have a proper throttle/mixture and not those weird knob thingies.

[@texstar77]

I do have to say, LDA is a great instructor! Praises the good and doesn't beat down the not so good! Keeps training fun and instructive at the same time! Even if it is a 172!

[@blueskyaviationpilottraining]

Another great video Lewis. 1. Check the rudder trim tab on the tail. Seems it may need an adjustment. 2. Short field landing approach speed is 60kts for the Cessna.

[@LewDixAviation]

Coast To Coast Aviation 62 knots in this one. I’ve floated it at 57. So if we do some simple maths with those two numbers we can calculate the Cessna’s buoyancy haha.. thanks man!

[@roflopoulos1633]

Mike always had nice input on the controls. Nice and calm!

[@LewDixAviation]

Absolutely!

[@evetro76]

I started in a 152, did some time in a 172; but I'm Piper all day!!! Love the visibility, love the flaps (instantaneous and instinctive), and no ladder needed for preflight. I'll give Cessna three things; two doors, the vent location, and no fuel switching (but hey, that just makes us better pilots, right?) P.S. love the shirt!

[@Bastiatlover]

I LIKE the piper and other low wings. I learnt in a 152 back in the days and it did the job.

[@CaptCap25]

I’ve always found it more difficult to fly a high wing. Might have something to do with the mild concussion that I inevitably get from hitting my head on the wing during preflight. 🤷‍♂️🤕

[@tmc51]

Absolutely love the banter and encouragement. keep up the great content...struggling old IFR student

[@Acc0rd79]

You have officially created a monster now, he will never go back to the old Piper!

[@kestrel5065]

Lew C 172 is a gentleman's aircraft!!!

[@FlightBuff]

Hah! Ok, I understand your dislike for the Cessna and the high wing design, but I have done all my training on a Cessna 172, and it isn't as bad as you think. I guess it's just a preference thing. In my opinion, the high wing design is great for sight seeing! 😝 Great video! I really enjoy watching your videos and aspire to have my video's be like yours one day.

[@LewDixAviation]

haha thanks man

[@Spray-N-Pray]

I finally got checked out in a PA28 and it is so much better than the C172. Easier to land. It feels a little faster in the base to final turn, so I've been overshooting that turn a bit, but not having to float like Tinkerbell down the runway is wonderful. For sightseeing I think the C172 is better for my passengers though.

[@kimberlywentworth9160]

Yes, the only problem with a PA28 is there is only one door and very little air ventilation. I live in a area that is 80 to 100 degrees F. The plane flew nicely however, I had to pry my self out of the airplane as I stuck to the seats and then ended up drinking a gallon of water. My CFI was overheating and soaked in sweat. Great aircraft for colder climates.

[@mattf49006]

172s dont float as much as cherokees drop like a rock when you pull the power back...and if that 172 doesn't have the optional rudder trim there's a ground adjustable tab on the rudder...check it out

[@FlyWithMig]

New pilot working on his private here. Your my go to channel man! Love the videos.

[@LewDixAviation]

That’s great to hear! Glad I’m your go to!

[@ground.zero.aviation]

Hey Lew, love your content! I really think low approach maneuvers, if possible on a long runway, are very helpful to create that sight picture for student pilots to avoid ballooning and time to level off and flare. I personally had difficulties on landings until I did some low approaches and that helped me a lot.

[@logicturtle9838]

Interesting comments about right rudder. Disregarding any power differences between the planes, perhaps less of the spiraling slipstream gets disrupted by high wing, hitting the vertical stabilizer more completely?

[@susangardner294]

I think he’s enjoying the Cessna! ;). Nice job by him and great instruction by you :)

[@mattf49006]

Each design has its drawbacks re: visibilty... I've had more than a few pipers drop down in the pattern without seeing or clearing below ....a quick lift of the wing inside your turn and you're good...hit the approach as you should and a cessna will touch down where it should And you never worry about shedding a wing in the cessna 😁

[@johnhodgkiss9882]

Remember to check your blind spots flying a Cessna. Lift that wind before you turn.

[@haydenshockley9432]

Did all my training in an archer now instructing in a C172. There are pros and cons to both. Pilot comfort is superior in the Cessna. But I will say overall I much prefer the archer. Great video.

[@friedclutch97]

I love your style as an instructor. Love the videos too. For my BFR I might just fly from CA and jump in that Cherokee. And if the alternator fails.......... GASP! We will take up the Cessna. Yikes.

[@KaptenPanna]

Making the day a step better with a new video! As always, love your videos man, really entertaining :)

[@WolfPilot]

I trained and check rode in a 172SP. I have also flown the piper pa-28 and i really didn't like the piper. .The controls were awkward and misplaced which screwed my flow..

[@kimberlywentworth9160]

Yes, I am a student pilot and flew a Piper also, and agree, controls are in different location along with some of the V speeds. I am sticking to the C-172. One aircraft type to get my private pilot, plus the Piper is very hot inside. I live where it is 80 to 100 degrees F. I like the two doors, windows and air vents in the C-172, Also the high wings gives a bit of shade.

[@thomasaltruda]

The 172 is a way better plane than the Piper Cherokee.. much better wing, gravity fuel system, no need to climb onto the wing, easier to get in and out of, dual cockpit doors, especially important in the event of a crash, everything about a Cessna is better.

[@LewDixAviation]

You check your fuel quantity a different way than climbing up to the wing? Do tell.... How much crash history do you have in each to know Cessna is better? We are raising more questions than we are answering haha

[@eMMjunaYschion]

Had my very first SEP flight on a PA28 and it was great. I'm currently doing my ppl on a C152. I kinda want to hate it, but it's a love-hate relationship. It has bad visibility, it's tiny as fuck, the wheel controls are definitely "spongy"... but it flies... and it's 1/3 cheaper than the PA28! The first thing after passing the checkride will be getting a PA28 rating though...

[@stephenbordano5974]

"PA28 rating" Umm

[@eMMjunaYschion]

You know exactly what I mean. If it isn't a rating (as in a permission to fly the aircraft on your own), what would you call it then?

[@vexarmour]

eMMjunaYschion It’s just airplane single-engine land. But if you rent a different airplane the owners usually want you to do a “check out” flight first.

[@eMMjunaYschion]

​@@darsim6897 Yes of course both are SEPs, but you can't just go ahead and charter the other without having flown it before.

[@killerMILLER117]

Hey great job, student! I’m around the same progress level as you in my training but finding it more difficult than you. Keep it up!

[@sampowersmagic]

Anything under a min 182 RG is just entry level training ground anyway. We all have to learn on something and get a great variety of experiences. Moving up from a 182 RG to a Beechcraft Bonanza (with tip tank mods) was the best thing ever. Let’s just appreciate all the flying hours in all different areas to get us to where we want to be 👌🏻✨

[@benn9499]

Keep talking smack about the Cessna and eventually she’ll get you back.

[@Barabyk]

65 on final 60 above the numbers works just fine.

[@mytech6779]

The speeds really depend on actual gross weight and headwind, but that works for a typical 2000lb training flight and light wind.

[@Barabyk]

@@mytech6779 Yup. I’m a heavy chap, we usually carry about 140l (220lb) even for short flights, so yes most of the time we operate quite close to max gross. Even in training it’s usually around 2400. Explain the headwind part?

[@mytech6779]

@@Barabyk I had my mind on poweroff landings, with more headwind you get a bit better glide angle with more speed. Not really a factor with a normal landing if you adjust aiming point for the reduced float or increase power. I don't know which submodel you are flying. I fly -K -M and -N and with full tanks and 430lb combined pilot, instructor and flight bags they only come up to about 2050-2150 takeoff weight. Landing 50lb less even with short flights.

[@Barabyk]

@@mytech6779 That's very clear now. I Fly fairly recent SP's 180HP, of which one with G1000 (higher basic weight). All go to max gross of 2550. As such, you can see we don't operate in as wide range of weights (usually 1-1.5hrs flights), so these numbers get us to the ball park... I mean, just a bit beyond (we have a ball playing field just before the RWY)...

[@mytech6779]

@@Barabyk The older models have 2300 max, but the empty weight is about 1500. Now I'm pretty sure the main difference with the SP was a larger engine[and fuel injection] but as far as I know they use the same wing. So that would make a fair difference in landing speed. I tend to find accuracy landings like short fields are more consistent at higher weights. I was doing pattern work solo with half fuel in a -M a couple months ago and just floating forever with the airspeed needle bottomed well before touch down. Like a kite, every tiny gust of headwind was adding significant lift and large change in the float.

[@DonniePalmer57]

Lewis's "O" face at 03:00.

[@asianskywalker]

Taking lessons and i prefer the cessna 172 over the pa28. feels more stable to me but the landing is more floaty.

[@jdholmes9536]

"should we fly the cessna?" that just sounds like something you never want to hear

[@LMays-cu2hp]

Looking nice.

[@michahebtab5157]

I love your videos ... greetings from germany EDTD from D-ECEL :-)

[@HugAviation]

Yeah, but what do you think about the C172 Cutlass II RG? I thought so...

[@flyingturtle4313]

172's need so much right rudder on landing. Was doing a solo nav ex. the other day and it was only the 3rd flight I'd done in the 172(started training in a PA28 Warrior ii)and it was the first time I had some side load on one of my landings. Not proud of that one.

[@alexs3187]

I’ve got just a little more time in the Cherokee than the Cessna, but I really like the low wing. Honestly though, it’s all flying so it’s all fun. We live in a crazy society where we feel forced to choose a side. Ford vs Chevy (or Ferrari) etc...

[@LewDixAviation]

Haha you’re right. I’ve made fun of Cessna characteristics that I’ve seen for a little while and some people get so defensive as if I’ve hurt one of their family members. It’s all a joke of course

[@alexs3187]

LewDix Aviation lol yep, it’s crazy. We all love to make fun of Cirrus, but anyone who says they wouldn’t love to own one is a complete nutjob, or a liar - and should therefore have their license taken away haha.

[@buryurfear14]

172, truck of the sky. (from a training plane stand point lol)

[@JodelFlyer]

A result of good instruction Lewis! Well,done. How many students have you got on the books at the moment? Just watched TwoDix Aviation night flying and that was great. I did an evening sunset flight and couldn't work out how it had become so dark when viewing the film but then remembered that I should have taken the strong ND filter off! 😎👍🇬🇧Tim

[@davidtesch3205]

When I look outside from my 172 at least I can see the ground, in a Piper all you see is a big fat wing that loves ground effect !!! LOL

[@LewDixAviation]

When I look up in a Cherokee at least I can see the sky, which is where I want to welcome people to! 😲 😂

[@davidtesch3205]

@@LewDixAviation touche my friend, love ya !!

[@LewDixAviation]

David Tesch always a pleasure seeing your name in the comments section, Sir David

[@craigobrien5098]

He looks a little like Mo Salah.

[@capta1nc]

Thought you had smoke bellowing out at the start there... But somehow it magically became distant clouds.

[@Dan007UT]

interesting that youtube says your comment is from one week ago when the video was posted.....today...... hmmm lol. i thought it was smoke too

[@capta1nc]

@@Dan007UT Early access perks my man! You too can bamboozle future viewers with your pre-release insights, for a low monthly fee :)

[@Dan007UT]

@@capta1nc ohhhh! Thought it was a glitch in the matrix haha

[@LewDixAviation]

@@capta1nc hahaha Sell it brother!

[@mooseknuckle_4474]

It’s like l’m watching my own videos. Lol. Having really only trained in a 172 and l’m on hour 10 my landing are very similar. Only flown in one Cherokee 160. Completely different animal. If getting in and out wasn’t so much more of a pain l think l could like it better. Good transition for your student here. He did well.

[@nocluewhatimdoing4543]

I'm not trying to pass judgement, but why is it that you use full flaps in the skyhawk? Is it a carryover from the piper as you use full flaps there? I'm doing my private training in a 172 and we rarely land with more than 20 degrees.

[@LewDixAviation]

No Clue What I'm Doing what reason have you been given for only landing with 20 degrees?

[@nocluewhatimdoing4543]

LewDix Aviation At least in my school’s 172s, it just isn’t necessary, like using 10 degrees on takeoff. There was a short stretch where I was using full flaps until my instructor brought it up and had me switch to 20, and in my limited experience since, approaches and landings have felt much easier. I’m in no way trying to say either way is right, just trying to learn as much as I can.

[@LewDixAviation]

Fair enough. For me it’s conditional. I prefer the extra help of the flaps to keep a steeper descent approach angle. In heavier winds I use less, but normal conditions go full. You’re right though there is no right or wrong way. You prefer less flaps, that’s no issue

[@farmgene]

I was taught in a 172. We learned with 20 degrees. It’s just a good standard. The plane still feels maneuverable and you can adjust from there depending on your needs.

[@SVSky]

Tapdancing =) Should get your tailwheel.

[@lefthandedfenceguy4924]

Piper Warrior for me. I just don't like the throttle setup on a Cessna...and the Piper steers better. BUT......I hear that a Cessna is easier to land......🤔

[@LewDixAviation]

Cessnas are not easier to land 😂 I have a vendetta against Cessnas

[@BlackLabelSXS]

is he not using carb heat during his approach and landing or is it just the camera playing tricks on my eyes? if not is that common practice for down south? i know my instructor goes crazy if i dont pull the carb heat before reducing power abeam the numbers, then again i fly in WV where the weather changes atleast 3 times per trip around the pattern

[@LewDixAviation]

Using carb heat in a fuel injected aircraft is not something that I tend to teach haha. We are fuel injected in this plane.

[@BlackLabelSXS]

@@LewDixAviation that would explain it lol didnt realize how new the plane was i just assume every 172 is a 60-70s model its like the honda civic of the sky.. sure they made them for years but they all look and sounds the same

[@mr.martintorres5804]

Short final with the sun in your faces must be a b*tch! Your man did great!

[@PaulGarthAviation]

Is he doing the whole deal with matching the horizon to the top of the cowling in the flare?

[@benjanik9443]

Idk where the cessna floating thing came from. In my experience the brand new pa28s I fly float way more than any c172

[@vexarmour]

Agreed. The wings are closer to the ground therefore it’s easier to float.

[@grantmcasey4134]

I fly a piper and I’m going on a flyaway on a Cessna, 1st time. This is great timing 😂

[@MBCGRS]

In the circuit look before you turn... Doesnt matter where the wing is....

[@PaulGarthAviation]

Cherokee: D'Oh! My alternator is jacked... Cessna: Heh Heh Heh.... I'm right over here. Just think.... for all the available taxiway turnoffs you float by, that's additional hobbs and flight time for your logbook.

[@donaldmeyer2679]

I wish you were my flight instructor!😅 Lol!

[@elik1491]

I like how the video title explicitly said “tried” to do the landings because we all know Cessnas don’t ever land but hey let’s see what this student pilot can do 😂

[@LewDixAviation]

haha.. You see my subtle humour

[@elik1491]

LewDix Aviation lol it helps being an OG subscriber lovin the videos mate

[@THATFlightSimDude]

Question Lew: When on your base turn Rwy 7 you appear to be pretty low over the tops of the buildings downtown. From my understanding, in a congested area, we are supposed to stay 1000 ft above the highest building and 2000 ft horizontal. Is there an exemption to this rule when flying the traffic pattern KORL? Student pilot here. I am just unclear on the subject. Great video as always! Thank you and take care.

[@LewDixAviation]

Great question. The verbiage in 15 CFR 91.119 is: “Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes” etc etc.

[@THATFlightSimDude]

@@LewDixAviation Thanks a lot man! Have a great day.

[@rigor.m9422]

4:40 i’ve been wanting to ask this every time i see the 172 on this channel; what’s with dropping flaps while above the white arc? I fly an older 172H, and i was taught to not be above 100mph (vfe) when dropping flaps...

[@LewDixAviation]

Vfe in this is 110kts for flaps 10. Anything passed that is 85kts

[@rigor.m9422]

LewDix Aviation thanks for the answer; i thought there could only be one vfe in the cessna, but it makes sense. In the older ones that don’t have notches so you have to guesstimate where 10 degrees actually is, the POH just says not to use flaps above 100mph.

[@StephenRoseDuo]

Lol bro you just overspeeded the fuck out of those flaps birb

[@yjrb1324]

Just curious, what exactly on the ramp indicated a bad alternator? Low volts annunciator? Ammeter?

[@LewDixAviation]

Annunciator and an ammeter discharge

[@alexcuenta7561]

In order to make your first solo with Lewdix you must hate Cessnas as a prerequisite. Nice Cessna tshirt btw...

[@BonJoviMad100]

Your going to hate me lewis, but I fly cessnas at my flight school, and I think they're great!

[@LewDixAviation]

Nah that's ok! You can stay

[@BonJoviMad100]

They do have Cherokee’s though I believe, but for a different phase of flight training, which I haven’t achieved yet.

[@larrylong9765]

Can’t keep knocking on the cessnas man, they are trainer planes through and through. I went from a 172 to a 152 to an archer and yes while they’re are some advantages I wouldn’t give up my training in the cessnas for anything. Except maybe a Sr-22 cuz they’re so fast 😂

[@irishcurse65]

at 6' 3" 270 lbs I don't fit comfortably in a Cherokee. The 172 is roomy like a Cadillac

[@mooseknuckle_4474]

6’1” - 250lbs here to agree completely. Currently training in a ‘76 172. And my landings are very similar to this guys

[@mr.spazzyc6692]

Always gotta diss the cessnas 😂

[@stevejarvis1366]

Probably sounds been covered before, but what does “cleared for the option” mean, is this a US thing? Great vids man!!

[@LewDixAviation]

Tower is giving you “the option” to do whatever kind of landing you want. Touch and go, full stop, stop and go, low approach, etc.

[@DirtNerds]

70 to runway on final

[@timquain5341]

I much prefer the Cherokee to fly. Mostly because the cessna feels too squirrely in the air and doesn't turn easily on the ground. Just my own observations.

[@amritparida1925]

Which airport is this?

[@buryurfear14]

After flying the 172 for 100hours, I miss the stall horn on a nice landing. The Cherokee is okay...

[@aheroux23]

Have you flown the pipistrel? Just curious your opinion.

[@LewDixAviation]

I have not

[@aheroux23]

@@LewDixAviation I plan to be down that way next year and hope to test fly the panthera then

[@kurt3929]

Nice

[@jasonherbst3908]

Love the words trusty. yet you had to use the Cessna most of the time due to the piper being broken. (like always, typical piper traits)

[@LewDixAviation]

Most of the time? 🤨 You need to watch more of my channel. Study up!

[@jasonherbst3908]

LewDix Aviation hhahahahah 😂

[@etiancontreras3820]

"symmetrical to the runway"

[@christiandarbyshire]

Ironic how you're wearing that shirt haha

[@LewDixAviation]

Some say it was planned 👀

[@mattbasford6299]

Why would anyone fly a low wing when a Cessna is available?

[@Kjp-hf7hp]

Cessna > Piper 😀😀

[@mattf49006]

when they build 45k plus worth of cherokees...we'll talk

[@zebrayo1]

The Cessna jokes are golden lmao 🤣

[@randywilliams6526]

I know your busy, give me a call so you can fly my Cherokee and get those bad Cessna memories cleared from you head. 😁

[@andrewwatson9805]

Looks like the nosewheel oleo is flat.

[@grega8961]

I guarantee by the end of this video he will have been converted

[@LewDixAviation]

That's a resounding no...

[@grega8961]

@@LewDixAviation peer pressure I feel

[@DuckTheGeese]

I've just found this channel, kinda have a fear of flying but just booked my first flight lesson as you've made it look SO FUN and human. Been playing a lot of flight sims too, I think I've just gone from fear to wanting to be a pilot! Side question, are you from like Bolton or Manchester living in the US? Fellow Brit here, v confusing!

[@LewDixAviation]

Ah that’s great mate! And I am from Bolton, you got it haha

[@DuckTheGeese]

@@LewDixAviation Champion, Leeds boy myself. Fust actually booked my first flying lesson for next Thursday. Rock on pal!

[@bradmottishaw467]

So I know what a Plonker is, but would someone who would actually utter the words "Shall we try the Cessna 172?" be called a "Planker"?

[@santiagokiwi3187]

I would've just canceled the whole lesson right then and there regardless of how long the drive to the airport was. I can hear a PA28-161 flying overhead my house now.

[@LewDixAviation]

Hahahaha

[@marka7903]

Go fly a C210 before you smack on cessna

[@jacksaloman9513]

I need to divorce my wife and learn to fly