Sturgeon's 3 Plans to Get Scottish Independence

[@samuela-aegisdottir]

Meanwhile in Czechoslovakia in 1992: Slovaks: "We want independence" Czechs: "Ok. You can go."

[@VolivovejVolej]

What makes this different though, Czechoslovakia was a federation. The U.K is not.

[@ryanwatson5117]

@@VolivovejVolej the people of Scotland are sovereign - given legal status by the Claim of Right 1689 (which remains “in law”) and that their considered will is paramount.

[@user-sn1bb8yq9f]

​@@ryanwatson5117 yeah, but in practice....

[@ryanwatson5117]

@@user-sn1bb8yq9f in reality we need another countries permission? In reality we can just declare a UDI.

[@user-sn1bb8yq9f]

@@ryanwatson5117 Catalan here, it doesn't have a good track record.

[@nikolay4101-s7r]

Worth noting, the brexit referendum was *not* legally binding, but it still was seen as a representation of the will of the people

[@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme]

it was a referendum

[@danielwebb8402]

Exactly. Was "just" morally and politically binding. Like the 2014 indy ref. Wasn't legally binding thd Scottish government paper / yes manifesto leading on page 1 with once in a generation. But should be morally and politically.

[@harrylong2796]

The UK government cannot claim that it doesn't mean they have to leave the union because they'd be eating where they shit and shitting where they eat

[@callumjohnston858]

@@danielwebb8402 Unless the situation changes substantially. Which it undeniably has. The same generation that previously voted now has a radically different view of the Union, and under current administration that's unlikely to change. The Scottish government has a duty to its people's welfare first and foremost; Johnson's been picking and choosing which legal, moral and political obligations the UK is beholden to, domestic and international. Why stick around?

[@danielwebb8402]

@@callumjohnston858 Any evidence those that voted no now have a radically different view? 25% of them changed their mind?

[@tonyjohansson7567]

Well, this reminds me a bit of when the United Kingdom of Sweden-Norway were dissolved during the 20th Century. It took years and years of preparation from the Norwegian side, but finally no one could stop the norsemens right to decide their own future, no matter what the Swedish government had in mind.

[@ahab9712]

Whilst there is a lot of seperatism on social media, the scots had their "once in a lifetime refurendum" around 2012 i think and the majority voted to stay. The sad reality of it would be ecenomic suicide for the country whilst the snp get richer

[@gregorhellmundt9559]

Let's hope this one is equally peaceful. The swedish government did all they could to keep the union going but neither the swedish people nor the Norwegians wanted to keep it going with that much friction.

[@Tim_Nilsson]

The majority of the Swedish people supported an independent Norway. Had that not been the case the Swedish government probably would've acted differently.

[@joelthorstensson2772]

@@Tim_Nilsson Us Swedes supported it because "Well, we'll still be friends and we're basically just one country anyhow, so what does it matter if a piece of paper says that Norway or Sweden are separate? We're brother, and that'll never change"

[@gregorhellmundt9559]

@@Tim_Nilsson Yes exactly. In the case of Scotland, the question is what the general populace of both countries will do or think. What pressure is there currently on Westminster to allow a referendum? As it stands now, the Independence movement has only grown in Scotland, if seen over a longer timespan. At the present though I have a hard time seeing a militant movement like in Ireland if the English remove the possibility of another legal referendum. Things would have to get worse for the Scottish people first before something like that happens. Only the risk of sustained violence or economic hardship would probably put enough pressure on the English government.

[@danhigg]

doubling of audio seems to be a common problem in your editing, noticed it a good handful of times recently

[@MontananMusician]

Once in this video is kinda picky yeah? It’s not like it makes the video unwatchable.

[@NerdPowerGaming]

@@MontananMusician True it is picky, but TLDR appears to be pretty good with taking in constructive criticism. I think they'd appreciate these wee comments.

[@spewter]

Frankly, this error is the last straw. They are dead to me. And I have reported them to the police for further investigation. As such, I will not be able to comment any further.

[@victoriah3297]

I thought I was going crazy for a minute!

[@spewter]

@Marc Leslie You’ll get two for one on audio 😂

[@RafaelW8]

Jack, this was an amazing breakdown of the Scottish Independence issue. I clearly understood all the general nuances, in a clear, concise matter. Thank you so much for this.

[@pauldevey8628]

Selling a dream and hopping every goes as planned. Brexit shows show complicated it can get

[@English_Dawn]

Look forward, for balance, the same case being put forward for English Independance.

[@h..8083]

Politics is all scripted anyway.

[@martindornan1667]

@@pauldevey8628 62 countries have gained their independence from Westminster and many other countries around the world have gained their independence for example Norway from Sweden, Czech Republic and Slovakia etc. For people to suggest that it is impossible or just a dream for Scotland to be a successful independent country is just stupid. When the Irish, Canadian and Australians etc. celebrate their independence days will you be saying that they are just dreaming.

[@engineeringvision9507]

Its all over for Labour and the Lib Dems if she wins

[@sualtam9509]

Why does she need a plan? Surely nobody would be so dumb as to leave a complex system without a proper plan... oh wait.

[@thedude9014]

@Somewhatskeptical ahahah you so funny mister

[@red-blue3430]

@@thedude9014 huh?

[@enidball1565]

@@thedude9014 I understood that reference.

[@theanglo-lithuanian1768]

@TheFastAndThe Dead The UK is suffering because the EU was the UKs largest trading partner. Can you take a while guess whos Scotlands (Overwhelmingly) biggest trade partner is?

[@pauljohnson1664]

@Somewhatskeptical Brexit was not about economics it was sovereignty.

[@PatchesNjose]

I lowkey just want a vote to see which way this thing goes.

[@connorharris2119]

No

[@Garner84]

The problem is, Scotland can leave relatively easily but if they want to come back...

[@fitzstv8506]

@@Garner84 If they leave they will not want to come back.

[@fitzstv8506]

@@xunqianbaidu6917 They want another!.

[@fitzstv8506]

@@xunqianbaidu6917 No idea what Womp Womp means please explain?.

[@saschao7966]

I find it interesting that according to the GFA, NI can hold a new referendum on the topic of staying in the UK or joining Irland, every 7 years. Seeing as they rights of these two nations within the UK should be similar, it seem to me that Sturgeon could argue that the same should apply to Scotland.

[@ivandinsmore6217]

It is strange that Northern Ireland can't vote to be independent only to leave the UK and join the rest of Ireland.

[@ronnieince4568]

@@ivandinsmore6217 no that is not correct -the Republic has a veto on accepting them .They could vote 100% to join.The Republic and the voters of the Republic can simply say we don't want you ..

[@svqsev]

And does that include to continue voting every 7 years after Irish reunification? So should do Scotland then after its independence? Or does Sturgeon only want referendums until she gets the result she wants?

[@daraghmcquaid3277]

It was a key part of the Good Friday agreement to prevent future violence. Many republicans felt Westminster would never allow a referendum, even if they managed to get popular support

[@ronnieince4568]

@@daraghmcquaid3277 there was a referendum at the time and the majority in Northern Ireland voted to remain in the UK Sinn Fein have 25% support -in fact slightly down compared to the previous election -some 75% if voters vote for other parties including the Alliance party .

[@arthanor9631]

The irony of wanting to be independent of the EU but not recognizing Scotland's desire for independence... *I* can do what *I* want, you do what *I* want too..

[@DaBIONICLEFan]

Yes but the SNP want to join the EU so they won't be independent at all

[@jebbo-c1l]

yea it would be hilarious if yes won by 52 to 48 and the conservatives said that wasnt a big enough majority to justify independence

[@jebbo-c1l]

@@DaBIONICLEFan lol are you seriously implying a country like Denmark or Sweden isnt independent? Scotland is not independent in the UK, it's a glorified region

[@davidpeterson5647]

@@DaBIONICLEFan And who the f&$k are you to decide that?

[@DaBIONICLEFan]

@@davidpeterson5647 someone's a bit touchy...

[@islywynn7678]

Honestly if Alba and the Greens got on board with single issue as well then there’d be no question that the vote would be for independence. The SNP aren’t stupid and I’m guessing they are reaching out as we speak

[@Zacharias618]

It would be an alliance of pro-indy parties to form a "Yes Party" together if it had to go to an election. (I.e. Scottish National Party, Scottish Greens, Scottish Socialist Party, Alba Party, Independence for Scotland Party).

[@EzraMerr]

"The SNP aren't stupid"... lmfao

[@tightnoose5611]

@@Zacharias618 you are so desperate aren’t you

[@paulmahon123]

The only hope Johnson has, given the behaviour of his administration, of politically surviving is providing a section 30 order and persuading a majority of people in Scotland to vote against independence. That is the bait that Sturgeon has set out. If the Supreme Court rule that Scotland cannot determine its own future, the Union dies there and then, and the political community in question becomes British-occupied Scotland. The majority of people in Scotland voting for either the SNP or a collection of pro-independence political formations in the following UK general election becomes a de-facto referendum because it eradicates any mandate that any UK Government has to govern Scotland. The Scottish people would, in effect, be ordering the SNP-led Scottish Government and its agencies to resist the British presence in the country by whatever means it deems appropriate, legal or otherwise. The outcome of such an eventuality would be negotiations between the Scottish and UK Government for independence (possibly including a new binding independence referendum) because the threat to regional political security posed by UK Government intransigence will be intolerable to neighbouring states. This is what is meant by de-facto referendum. As always in a democracy, the only power that really matters is people power. The SNP will deliver independence if a simple majority of Scottish voters support independence and a critical mass of them are committed enough to stay the course. This is the only real question, whatever transpires in London.

[@esioanniannaho5939]

Very well thought ot analysis. One thing Bodger and mates have ultra short attention spans. ERG would be happier without Alba and NI slowing their march to ultra Thatcherite small state Singapore on Thames. Add the fact other that dodging and masters of double speak both sides of their mouths and COMPLETE MORONIC LACK OF STRATEGIC THINKING. I think you nailed the game plan. Well done !

[@grouse693]

How tf have i came across such intelligence in a youtube comment section

[@NuttyRedBaBonkerz]

👏👏👏

[@riklangham6739]

YOU ARE MOST COJENT SIR , THANK YOU KINDLY FOR YOUR DELIBERATION , MUCH APPRECIATED SIR .

[@English_Dawn]

I bet Boris Johnson is really trembling! Hahahaha!

[@ilo2224]

can’t lie, it really sucks watching the conservatives ruin my country’s place in the world (with brexit) and now breakup my country (by giving Scotland all the reasons to leave)

[@Will-vs5kp]

What? Place in the world being a subservient member of the EU control mechanism? Lol

[@harrylong2796]

@@Will-vs5kp yes

[@sirnigeloffarage9255]

Sorry but I want more for my country than to be EUs bitch.

[@ecnalms851]

@@Will-vs5kp it's inevitable that as the world develops everyone gets more interconnected. Being in the EU is beneficial for everyone. People only don't like it because of the migration policy which is blurry but that will be sort out in the future.

[@189Blake]

And North Ireland too

[@rd9759]

Fundamentally, if it's impossible for a country to democratically leave the Union, the Union has ceased to be the voluntary partnership of nations that it often purports to be

[@kamkam22100]

democracy is an illusion !

[@English_Dawn]

It is certainly very difficult for England to leave. Uniquely England doesn't have a parliament or assembly of it's own whilst the English tax-payer pays via the Tax Transfer to keep Scotland solvent. Has no effective "nationalist" party to represent English voters, does worse under the Barnett Consequentials and Defence Spending. Unlike Scotland has not been offered an Independance Referendum, despite the above.

[@alexpotts6520]

I think most people on here can agree: - to *never* let separatist movements have a chance to put their case to the people is undemocratic - but to repeat such a vote every year, say, until the "right" result is achieved is also undemocratic. Somewhere between these two extremes lies a functional union between member states. YMMV on where that is.

[@ghostlypresents7922]

The UK is a very democratic country. Political change is achieved in the UK parliament. SNP cannot, right now, win a vote in parliament; if they could the mechanisms to achieve what they want exist. Sturgeon does insult the other leaders all the time. Poor tactics?

[@DJBclay]

Was it ever voluntary

[@FullOHaggis]

TLDR really has become my main source for unbiased news. The work they do is clear, concise, direct and well written. I hope they are proud of what they have archived so far.

[@blue7lvn245]

Unbiased lol pls

[@FullOHaggis]

@@blue7lvn245 I ask this knowing I'm probably going to regret replying to a 3 word comment including "lol pls" but would you like to provide a case for your argument for TLDRs bias? I am sincerely curious to what you've based your opinion on.

[@billjane5522]

Unbiased very very funny

[@billjane5522]

@@FullOHaggis When you watch this Everything from UK(SPECIFICALLY ENGLAND IS VERY BAD) anything that is to do with diminishing England is good. Anything the EU do is AMAZING AND WONDERFUL

[@ghostlypresents7922]

@@FullOHaggis what about in this video. They claim that a section 30 has to be "granted". But in fact by simply winning a vote in the democratic body of parliament; they can have a referendum whenever they like. They ignore normal democratic processes in the UK because it goes against their narrative of the UK denying the Scots democratic processes.

[@acousticscreeching782]

I'm an American so I'm aware our political machine is an utter circus but it really seems to me the UK government messed up with Brexit. In all honesty, I'm not sure how anyone thought leaving a massive trade agreement was a good idea much less voted for it. It even seems like it threatens the unity of the state due to such a poor choice. I've read previously that northern Ireland might leave as well for the same reason.(no idea how true that is). Overall, definitely seems like a miss and the only real winners are the rich elites profiting over higher costs on everything instead of "the working class" like Boris was initially saying. I've even heard that some store shelf's have less items on em and what is there is a lot more expensive. (Again, no idea how accurate but I digress)

[@harnooraulakhengland8131]

Scotland should me independent so they can work on their own laws

[@Alan_Mac]

I voted against Brexit. I always knew it would be a step backwards. However, the ScotNats linking the partitioning of Britain to Brexit is nothing but opportunistic grievance-mongering. Whatever our relationship has been over our years of membership the Nats have bleated about independence. No matter what the problem is this is always their answer.

[@saddoncarrs6963]

I think you answered your own question. "I'm not sure how anyone thought leaving a massive trade agreement was a good idea" answered with "the only real winners are the rich elites". There are lot of wealthy Brits who have money hidden in dodgy offshore accounts and they needed a way of keeping prying EU eyes away from them - and so the brexit machine was developed and put into action and the English electorate swallowed the rhetoric. Boris and his cronies don't give a flying fig for the "state".

[@Alan_Mac]

@@saddoncarrs6963 Wanting Britain partitioned has nothing to do with the EU - that's just the latest grudge the Nats are using. When we joined the EEC they wanted partition. When we were at the heart of Europe they wanted partition and now we've left? They still want partition. Shame you've bought their snake oil.

[@English_Dawn]

Do you vote Democrat? I voted to stay out in '75 butwere dragged into the Common Market as was. Knew it would end in tears. It was a trade organisation pure and simple. 6 countries in Western Europe. 9 when we Denmark and the Republic of Ireland joined. Since then it's become a "Frankenstein's Monster". It's become far more political. It was always a technocracy rather than a democracy, that's how it was planned. How many people know their MEP? 1 MEP for every 700,000(?) people. Other officials are appointed "behind closed doors". Absolute gravy-train. Only 6 countries contribute "net" to the budget. After Germany UK was the second biggest "net" contributor. What did the English tax-payer get in return? Let's be honest, only 2 countries now really matter, Germany and France. The rest are mainly "puppets" flattered now and again by Berlin and Paris and told they're a "Big Country". Take Ireland, they have a small slice 1/27th of the political pie. If Eastern expansion takes place it won't even be that. Ursula Von Der Leyen and her lackeys are fond of telling how big the EU is as a trading bloc. Trouble is very few of them have any disposable income. Only 8% of British companies export, less than that, to the EU. It's not an expanding market. Yet 100% of British companies have to comply with EU rules whether they export or not. Crazy! England's place was always in the Anglosphere. We used to trade extensively with New Zealand, South Africa etc. We had our own soverignty to trade bi-laterally. The bigger the EU got the more difficult the trade was, done by the EU not individual nations. So if lemon growers in Italy or Spain objected to trade deals for Britain they could be subject to tariffs or quotas. Absolute joke. We were trading before countries like Germany, Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands were set up as states. The US is older than Germany & Italy. Our parliamentary system with it's Speaker, House of Lords and House of Commons was functioning on the same spot in the 1260's. It's tried and tested. Europe was revolutionary, particularly in 1848. The UK has always been on a different path and had little in common with the Continent. Britain is evolutionary. People want to be part of the Government, not overthrow it. The French are worst, absolute shambles, already on their Fifth Republic! Their judicial system in Europe is different. England was always expected to do the "heavy-lifting" like the US and sign a lot of the cheques. Many NATO members were not paying their 2% of GDP. The Donald was right to call them out and Germany over the NordStream2. He was frustrated with them, we've been frustrated with them for years. They've spent money on other things letting the US defend them courtesy of the US tax-payer. Can you imagine Macron's EU Army? He couldn't organize a booze up in a brewery. Whose going to pay for it? Most of the EU economies are skint. Italy the 4th biggest economy hasn't had any real GDP growth this century and has a banker as a President. Hard to believe. Brexit will be brilliant, especially when we ditch the EU red-tape. The Procurement Bill and Regulations (EU) Bill are in parliament with many more queuing up. It will be a bonfire of EU rules freeing up companies from money and time. For example, the Regulations (EU) Bill cuts over 200 rules to 1. England has the 5th biggest economy in the world, a seat on the Security Council,is G7 and many more. Financially it's England that is the "Goose that lays the golden eggs". Twice as many EU exporters export to UK than the reverse. E.g. the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU. 80% of UK trade is services. The bonfire of rules will really benefit them. The Security Services in the EU are second-rate. They never saw Putin coming! Macron sacked his Chief of Inteligence and Germany was lamentable. The Five Eyes is far superior as is the AUKUS defence group, so to the CANZUK trade group. The Democrats and Nancy Pelosi theSpeaker are out of their depth over a bi-lateral trade deal plus others. Penny Mordaunt the trade minister has bypassed the Hill and is signing trade deals, which would have been impossible in the EU with 13 states and individual cities. For example California has a greater GDP than France! The Main Stream Media try and avoid all these eventualities, they're so "Woke" they can't see the wood for the trees. That's the trade side sorted. For most Brexiteers and most Main Stream Media and the EU didn't get it, it was Sovereignty rather than trade that was the decider. They just didn't get the reason for most Brexiteers. It was fundamental, it was who we are, democracy. Taking back political control. Brussels says it "gets it" but it is obvious they don't. President Obama and Chrstine Lagarde weighed in on the Remain side saying stay with the status quo? Are they kidding. When your GDP in English Provinces have had no real growth for the best part of a century or more. When you are bottle of the pile in the race-to-the-bottom that is "globalism" you have NOTHING to lose in changing the game. To his credit when Henry Kissinger was asked to intervene on the "Remain" side he said "No", he could see the logic of the "Leave" side. The UK is the most centralised and unequal country in the OECD. There's London and the rest. How many top EU officials ever visted Doncaster, Darlington or Middlesbrough? They'd probably couldn't place them on a map. They and the Main Stream Media never saw it coming. We are an island race, the sea is everything, not just for economic reasons but for identity. It's part of the DNA. It was never about cheeses or wine. It was about identity and democracy first and foremost then trade will improve and follow them. There is a Parliament at Westminster. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales in addition have their own parliaments/assemblies in Edinburgh, Belfast and Cardiff. They elect 2 politicians. 1 for Westminster and 1 for their own parliaments/assemblies. The English have NO parliament of their own. How unfair is that? They elect 1 politician for Westminster. There are measures called the Barnett Consequentials which were supposed to equalise any differentials between nations. The English do worst from the Barnett Consequentials. Scotland, Northern Ireland withWales have economies that currently lose money. Through the Tax Transfer the English tax-payer subsidies them. Currently Scotland loses money, £15 billion p.a. The English have to find that money to keep the Scots standard of living, like the National Health Service, to the level it is. Are they grateful? The SNP blame the Tories (London) for everything. The Scottish Education System was a top system in the OECD. Since the SNP have been in power it's tanked. The SNP are not that transparent financially and the Scottish press is supine. The Scots want another independance referendum. They've already had one. The English have not had one Independance Referendum despite the democratic deficit mentioned above and the cost of supporting others. Go figure? In political gymnastics the SNP want to throw all the benefits above away in the search of "independance" only to throw it away and become an EU "puppet", surrender their territorial waters and yeald their national monetary policy to Frankfurt. You couldn't make it up. If anyone deserves an Independance Referendum surely it's the English. To even join the EU they need to get their debt down to 3% of GDP. They are a country mile from that. They are one of the poorest countries in Europe on a par with Greece. Why on earth would they cut off their noses to spite their face and leave without the financial life-support of the English? Don't get me wrong, as an English tax-payer, I would love it. Just as I love not paying for those EU countries. Brexit would be even better if Scotland left. Just hope a Pro-British and Pro-Business Republican Party Trump/DeSantis gets in.

[@DracoRubor]

QUESTION: What exactly does "kingdom" mean legally? The list of Reserved Matters says the Scottish Parliament can't legislate about the union of the *kingdoms* of Scotland and England; so couldn't the Scottish Parliament legislate on the independence of the "government" of Scotland while accepting it as part of the "kingdom," meaning they are subjects of the Queen but not of Westminster? What I'm trying to say is, couldn't they try to go to a pre-1700 Act of Union scenario? One King/Queen ruling two separate countries with separate parliaments and governments.

[@TraumatisedTyrone]

It obviously refers to the constituent countries of the UK(not including Wales). This line of thinking relies on cherry-picking semantics, and won't amount to much legally. Furthermore, the Scottish parliament revising the Acts of Union is also covered under the same provision, so it's a catch-22 unless Westminster goes along with it.

[@tightnoose5611]

You really are showing yourselves up to be desperate brainwashed fools

[@debathor9346]

It is the time for Scottish Independence!!🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺

[@MattPerdeck]

If the supreme court says that the SNP can have an advisory referendum, because such a referendum doesn't change the union, then what is the point of having the referendum? Even if the referendum returns a Yes to independence, the SNP could not act on it.

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

It would put Parliament in a tricky situation and quite possibly make Scotland an absolutely toxic place to do politics.

[@firebyrd437]

@Somewhatskeptical oh it's you again the number is not the same a poll yesterday was 82% in favour of independence and it was in a unionist rag

[@Rb39-ej5hh]

@Somewhatskeptical The unionist vote is far more represented among older voters whereas younger people tend to be much more pro-independence. Unless things change drastically for the better in the UK, the trajectory is going towards independence.

[@martindornan1667]

@Somewhatskeptical Fortunately Democracies are not run by polls Democracy isn't a one-time event. 2021 Scottish parliament election proportional voting system Scottish people voted in 72 MSPs a majority who had Indyref2 in their election manifestos. 2019 general election in Scotland Scottish people voted in SNP 48 MPs up 13 MPs Tory 6 MPs down 7 MPs Liberal 4 MPs Labour 1 MP down 6 MPs The Scottish government has a democratic mandate from the Scottish people to hold Indyref2 vote.

[@Marcusjnmc]

@@Rb39-ej5hh yes, in another decade + , there's hardly a case for a meaningful referendum vote right now aside from having just left the EU, & there's no way any pro union party with scottish representation will be ok with another referendum vote in the middle of the economic turmoil of having just left the EU

[@homeallsop9970]

I voted for the SNP to govern Scotland , but did NOT vote for independence. 2 different things altogether and I don't like the fact that the Independence movement have kidnapped the saltire flag

[@fei-tzefu8527]

Is everyone being thick here??!!! We had an Independence Referendum already in 2014, so why can't people just respect democracy back then?? A Brexit Referendum was only held in 2016 since the 1970s.

[@saddoncarrs6963]

Democracy was respected in 2014. Scotland is still in the UK. There will be endless calls for further referendums by the SNP as long as the Scottish electorate keep voting them into office - which they do. I think that is democracy, and nothing to do with anybody being thick. If the Scots don't want continuous calls for independence, they should vote for political parties which do not advocate it.

[@MichaelGGarry]

Democracy does not just STOP. It is a continuing discussion with variables that change constantly - like, for example, BREXIT.

[@robertgalloway3771]

NO democracy so NO need for respect!

[@robertgalloway3771]

CHEATING IS NOT DEMOCRASY MAKING RULES UP TO GAIN A WIN! ? SCOTLAND AN EQUAL PARTNER??? SINCE WHEN??????

[@0utOfSkill]

Wasn't the 2021 election kind of a "de-facto referendum" with the Greens and the SNP supporting the notion to hold another referendum and winning a majority?

[@jwil4286]

You didn’t watch the video. There’s no such thing as a de-facto referendum. General elections always have other questions at hand.

[@engineeringvision9507]

No. Many remainers vote Tory, and many Brexiteers vote Green or SNP, around 1/3rd in the latter case!

[@New-ye2fl]

That would have been the narrative pushed by MSM if SNP had lost seats last election, but they didn’t so now we all completely forget the fact that it’s all the opposition parties went on about prior the election.

[@goodyking6732]

@@engineeringvision9507 1/3 brexiteers voted SNP or Greens? Citation plz.

[@goodyking6732]

Perhaps you mean 1/3 if brexiteers have shifted position. This I could believe 😊

[@SB-dk7fy]

Good for Scotland

[@GeneralGrievousCIS]

Sturgeon's language around this has, to me, seemed very deliberate. She refers to the UK as being "an involuntary union" is no path to a referendum is allowed/the will of the Scottish people is ignored. This, to me, sounds like her laying the groundwork for a fourth quasi backup plan (or rather, a reinforcement of her win if the "general election" plan goes through and works). The United Nations guarantees, and has since its inception enshrined in International Law, the "right to self determination" for people's and nations. If Sturgeon can argue that her country/people are being denied that right by the UK, which is acting more like a colonial overlord than a voluntary union, she can try to appeal for applications of international pressure on the UK government to reverse its decision. Possible parties of interest in actually running with this gives their own geopolitical interests would include namely the EU (stands to benefit by punishing the UK for Brexit, reinforcing its own unity, and to gain a member state if Scotland does go independent) and possibly China (currently POd at the UK over its "meddling" in Hong Kong and liable to see the matter as a chance to throw "UK are still colonizers" back in their face as a propaganda coup) + any countries it can persuade. It won't settle the issue overnight, but it would be deeply embarrassing for Boris Johnson/UK gov and further damage BoJos foreign policy standing/image... essentially Scotland kicking the UK gov in the balls on a reserved matter, lol There is minimal chance that Sturgeon just gives up if none of this works and accepts the status quo. Frankly, I wouldn't if I were her. There's a very solid argument to be made that the Scot Gov should have the right to legislate for independence anyway, given that they represent the Scottish people much more closely than the UK gov (which has been against the Scottish Electorate for most of a century). Present system, de-facto, is essentially "English politicians have full control over the other three union members ability to choose to leave"... and that's pretty anti-democratic imo

[@English_Dawn]

You live in a fantasy world. All this "English" are bad stuff. You are sounding like the knuckle-draggers of Scottish Independance. Get real. What about self-determination of the English????? Scotland has already had an Independance Referendum. That they fouled it up is their problem. The English have had NONE. The Scottish people have 2 parliaments and they still moan. The English only have 1. Go figure! Scotland's economy is a basket-case. Their NHS etcetera is only kept going by £15 billion p.a. of English tax-payers money. Until they sort their economy out there's no chance they'd meet the financial rules of the EU for entry. The independance does hold water. They'd surrender it, along with their territorial waters to the EU. They would yeald their national monetary policy to Frankfurt. The EU is basically 2 countries, Germany and France with 25 "also-rans". Nothing gets passed without the say-so of Germany and France. At best Scotland would be a "useful puppet" like Ireland. It would have 1/28th of a slice of the political pie. Less than that if Eastern expansion happens. At the latest Ukraine donation bringing it to £3 billion +, Kate Forbes the Financial Secretary has told the Government don't give any more of "Scotland's money" to Ukraine. Is that any way to behave to your "fellow future EU member"? The English will mostly love to see Scotland embarrass itself surrendering it's independance and becoming an "also-ran" in the EU. The English will laugh all the way to the bank. Don't mess it up leaving again.

[@GeneralGrievousCIS]

@@English_Dawn England alone has more say in the UK Parliament than the other three members of the union combined... several times over. You could add every Scottish, Welsh and Irish seat together and the English Tory seats alone would still massively outnumber them. While my point wasn't really about the EU, it's worth noting that's not the case in the EU Parliament. Germany and France combined are still a minority in the Euro Parl, and have a grand total of 2 seats on the European Council. They have economic influence, which nets them political sway, but they don't have outright control and cannot in any way block, together or alone, the will of other member states. Quite a lot of EU decisions, in fact, require the unanimous consent on the members (hence Hungary, Cyprus, and Poland all having been able to veto past EU intiatives that Germany and France very loudly wanted). UK has no such "member veto" provisions, has a Parliament (and population in general) that entirely favors a single member state, and doesn't have any equivalent to the European Council where each member government gets a single vote via a representative. EU member states governments remain Sovereign, can (unilaterally) invoke their right to leave at any time (as the UK did) without needing consent from the European Commission to do so (Von Der Leyen, unlike Boris Johnson, can't block EU exit referendums by refusing consent). Comparing the UK to the EU, as a "union of equals" is impossible. EU wins... regardless of how you feel about its bureaucracy. Other EU member states are seldom able to enforce their will on other members without consent. It's rare. England, via the UK Parliament (which as you've noted doubles as the English Parliament, handling England exclusive matters from which all non-English MPs are rightly excluded) very much has control over the other members of the UK, as the other member nations have no Sovereign parliaments. Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish assemblies are all "devolved" and can have their powers stripped at any time by the UK Parl made up of 90% English MPs. Even if the ENTIRE EU Parliament, including opposition reps from the country in question, decided they wanted to revoke powers from the parliament of executive of a member state they could not do so... as those parliaments are sovereign and act under their own constitutions. Any attempt to do so would be met by the member government with withdrawal proceedings. UK has more power over its "member states" than the Canadian federal government has over its provinces (Canada's federal government can not in any way just shut down a provincial legislature or take away its powers, because again, the provinces are constitutionally protected in their authority and would need to consent to a constitutional amendment first). That single countries, with a federal-provinical relationship, have a more functionally equal governing system than the UK does not speak well to its state as a "union of equals". I'm not trying to say "England is evil" or anything of the kind, and don't at all oppose the idea of an English assembly or other such body (with the UK parliament being stripped of most of its powers in a "devomax" settlement where the new English assembly, along with the others, gets the independent legal right to govern its nation autonomously while the UK parl acts more like the EU parl). My original point wasn't even necessarily pro-EU or calling for UK dismantlement. My point is that the UK, as it stands, is not an equal union. One member has total power, governmentally speaking, over the other three combined, and the other members have no recourse to that (absolutely none, which is what a no ruling from the Supreme Court is likely to prove, per Sturgeon's point) as they cannot do anything to attempt to obtain any form of recourse without the consent, effectively, of the "ruling" union member via the leader of its largest party. That's not "England's" fault in that it's not a decision people in England are actively making. Many may be perfectly happy to see Scotland off for the reasons you mentioned... it is however something Bojo can do and is doing because he, in effect, was elected to represent England as leader of his party (which has been decimated, and is the minority, in every other member state where it runs). Combine Germany, France, and Italy for good measure and they're still a minority in the EU Parliament. Now imagine if the EU Parliament were made up of 90% German MEPs, had the authority to take away powers from the UK Parliament or government at any time without consent, could legally dissolve the UK government, and you couldn't have a Brexit referendum without the German EU commission executive saying you could. Oh and also the UK haven't elected a party politically aligned with the ruling German one in most of a century. Now you're in Scotland's shoes... how much more determined to Brexit would you be?

[@veggiesupreme3556]

The EU doesn’t want Scotland. Macron wants to reform the EU before taking on even more members and Scotland just wouldn’t qualify. It would be hilarious to see Scotland go independent, the EU reforms and the English rejoin but Scotland can’t rejoin due to its awful fiscal deficit

[@SerBallister]

@@veggiesupreme3556 Macron is French, if it harms the English he'll make exceptions.

[@martindornan1667]

@@veggiesupreme3556 Independent Scotland has a choice they could join EFTA with Norway Switzerland, Iceland and Lichtenstein. EFTA countries have trade deals with many countries including the EU and have access to the EU single market. Or an independent Scotland could join the EU. No EU country has said that they would block EU membership for an Independent Scotland.

[@alexforrest2563]

We had a Referendum we the Scottish people voted. And we decided to stay part of the United Kingdom. It was a democratic vote we don't need another one

[@adrianduggan4739]

The UK should learn from a hundred years ago, when Ireland left the Union, that it’s better for both Scotland and the rest of the UK if the Scot’s leave on good terms with the rest of the UK, it means you can get on with a future relationship easier. Perhaps the British government should start planning what they should grant Scotland, maybe dominion status, where Scotland is autonomous and a separate country, but still within a customs and monetary union with the rest of the UK, and must remain so for a set period of time until they can untie themselves from that also. An independent Scotland in the EU however could see a hard border between Scotland and The rest of the UK

[@struanpeat5116]

Im just hoping england doesnt try the old northern Ireland trick and take a bit of Scotland away because "they voted more no than yes in this specific region so it's still ours"

[@nojnavick]

Scotland can leave, it's a cost to the UK anyway

[@darjeelingoffthegourd]

@@struanpeat5116 theyll likely do that with the north sea oil and fishing rights

[@struanpeat5116]

@@darjeelingoffthegourd if they do it would be a farce, since Scotland would include the exclusive ecanomic zone in the sea and all the relevant islands

[@oppionatedindividual8256]

I’m still wanting the Irish to come back. We’re kith and kin most Englishmen have some Irish Heritage. Why fix something that was never broken?

[@Jokkkkke]

I don’t think the SNP would have to win over 50% on their own though. As long as all independence parties win over 50, then its fine assuming an election can act as a referendum and I do think that there’s some precedence for that tbf

[@davidty2006]

well elections did act as referendums. look at 2019.

[@jasonswan7646]

The Scottish Parliament was set up in such a way to avoid majority governments, the fact that the SNP ever managed it was a complete surprise.

[@ScottishRoss27]

If democratic right in our own elections to our own parliament is blocked by neighbouring country in a union, then the only option available is a UK election

[@ScottishRoss27]

Westminster has messed up Everything since brexit, They're gonny mess this up too

[@jebbo-c1l]

didnt they get like 49% the election before last

[@jebbo-c1l]

even if its a no I hope for more devolution. In the Danish realm, the countries of Greenland and Faroe Islands decide everything themselves except currency, defense, and foreign policy. Perhaps that is a better model for the nations in the UK. A Scottish visa to solve their ageing population would be nice for example if they controlled immigration

[@DaBIONICLEFan]

That is essentially what Scotland already has though

[@legomovieman2]

Down with Devolution, we need to to be a fully federal state, London centrality will cause our collapse.

[@milantoth6246]

Also, important to mention, Greenland is no more a member of the EU. They left years before the UK did. As such, a devolution similar to Greenland would possibly enable Scotland to rejoin the EU while letting England and Wales stay out of the EU.

[@ghostlypresents7922]

If they dont control foreign policy they cannot join the EU.

[@red-blue3430]

@@redred7289 wwe hvae no control over 50% of them

[@yuvalne]

re: "de facto referendum" sure, it's not an actual referendum. There are clear differences between the two. But if the SNP were to win as a single-issue party, it will be hard to deny Scotland and actual referendum.

[@alexpotts6520]

The thing is that as much as the SNP wants to be a single-issue party, general elections are never single-issue - they are about whatever voters want them to be about.

[@red-blue3430]

@@alexpotts6520 Who Says?

[@KitchenSinkSoup]

@@red-blue3430 The realities of representing a constituency and voting on non-independence related matters?

[@Mike-jv9cl]

1 thing that’s worth remembering: the LibDems made their GE19 manifesto de facto referendum on EU membership, with their “We’ll revoke A50 if we win a majority”

[@Matthy63]

As I recall, they did, and it completely backfired on them.

[@Mike-jv9cl]

@@Matthy63 yep. I knew it wasn’t gonna work. In FPTP, England clearly voted for brexit, also Labour offered a 2nd ref. Not to forget Swinson was becoming more and more unpopular with the electorate

[@EM-cw9eh]

The UK government and the media have been categorically outmanoeuvred here. I cannot say I expected the Scottish Government to be THIS prepared either. It’s a very clear and very thorough plan and so far the reaction amongst the unionists has been sheer panic. After we got dragged out of the EU and into a cost of living crisis on the back of a result we didn’t vote for and a government we didn’t elect I look forward to voting for my nation’s independence. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺

[@cobbler9113]

What on Earth are you talking about? The evidence shows they have no leg to stand on. They can hold the referendum if they want, it just won’t be lawful so won’t count, much like the fake one in Catalonia. However, I expect nothing less from deluded cyber nats.

[@ahab9712]

You know how in the brexit refurendum, we were promised so much but it was all lies and it ruined our economy. Ukip and the snp are such truthful honest parties thats we can support and believe in. Surely they wouldnt lie to us right?

[@ahab9712]

@@jimmagspanton669 what and it would magically fix itself if seperatists broke away? It would worsen

[@grimnir8872]

Ah yes, because the SNP totally threw this out of left field, Sturgeon has never asked for independence while ignoring her own party being corrupt and failing with what powers she has.

[@Mark-Haddow]

@@glennhooper8867 In the GE Scotland, a country, constantly gets a government the Scots don't vote for, and haven't voted for since the 1950s Scotland can not sway, influence or guarantee they will get a government they back. Only one nation can do that, thanks to the unequal voting system.

[@scottwarren9867]

I’m sick of her and the majority of Scot’s are. Let’s maintain our Union🇬🇧

[@Mark-Haddow]

That'll be why the majority of Scots support her manifestos. And why less than 20% of Scots support Boris's party. PS, the word Scots seems to be confusing you, but it's obvious why that is, pretend Scot. 😄 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@scottwarren9867]

@@Mark-Haddow look at purely numbers and percentages she doesn’t command any

[@johntooth1886]

We will be the sick man of the EU ( financially ) if we join the EU.

[@scottwarren9867]

@@johntooth1886 we have naturally been powerful historically by trading freely with the world

[@Mark-Haddow]

@@scottwarren9867 Pure numbers. Over 50% of Scots voted for her manifesto pledge, that the Scottish greens also pledged. You'll be one of those pretend Scots that probably believes you'll convince everyone that Labour, Lib Democrats and Tory Scots all vote for the same manifesto pledges. 😆👍

[@MrToxicchilli]

What you missed is that Referendums, are not a reserved power in and of themselves. Referendums (Scotland) 2020 is in UK law. Referndums are not able to change reserved areas themselves, due to the "advisory" nature of all UK referenda. These are likely the questions the Supreme Court are being asked to rule on.

[@brownflat8837]

The people who vote don’t decide elections, the people who count the votes decide elections.

[@dbwt22]

@@brownflat8837 So you are claiming election fraud with no evidence? Good to know your opinions are baseless and should not be taken as fact under any circumstances.

[@brownflat8837]

@@dbwt22 I read the first 5 words or so of your comment. The tone was negative. I already judged that you’re arguing in bad faith and that your comment doesn’t merit a refutation.

[@kethughes8266]

Joe Bloggs You are right that is exactly what the Scottish government are arguing, However they have tried this before when they tried to adopt human rights legislation and it failed.

[@paulluka2029]

Boris Johnson's job in peril? When has it been safe? 😂😂😂

[@alexpotts6520]

Pretty much until the beginning of this year. People have short memories, huh?

[@legomovieman2]

The worst thing is this was entirely preventable however the Tories and Westminster as a whole has failed in their London bubble

[@MrMalcovic]

Preventable? How?

[@legomovieman2]

@@MrMalcovic Westminster is a mere bubble, Hyperfocused on London at the expense of the rest of the Country, with Federalism at the helm, with local matters in the hands of the local people, I don't think this disconnect would have happened.

[@TheMrDavie]

@@MrMalcovic by keeping all the promises made by the Better Together campaign last time round, for example

[@UK_Canuck]

Do you mean Sturgeon?

[@ClashWithJhakas]

That's what he said!

[@cygnusmir1627]

@@ClashWithJhakas the title originally said surgeon

[@montydevere9671]

The lack of respect for Scotland and an anti-Scottish nuance persists through this report.

[@montydevere9671]

@markyes No moron, is about the sentiment held down south that Scotland belongs to them. It is ingrained in common language!

[@mondegreenmatt849]

The fact that there is a video about the many ways a country has set out to try to get the democratic process moving should be enough to show how bad it is being a junior member of this “union”. It seems like people are asking all the wrong questions. You should be asking why the uk is so keen to keep Scotland in tow. Why is the uk so scared to see Scotland leave? Why is it okay to deny independence to Scotland and force uk independence (Brexit) on us? Democracy only works for England.

[@danielwebb8402]

The UK people are enormously indifferent. They are fed up of the whinging. The "Today ends in a y. That's justification for an indy ref." The night of the 2019 general election SNP MPs saying "This result doesn't represent exactly and only the Scottish vote and is therefore unacceptable."

[@danielwebb8402]

Do you think if say Aberdeenshire votes no in am indyref56. But rest of country yes. All of Scotland should stay in the UK? As Aberdeenshire shouldn't be dragged out against their will? Or just Aberdeenshire stay? Or all of Scotland leave. Because it would be an all of Scotland vote. And you don't see the intellectual inconsistentcy.

[@scratchy996]

Jeremy Clarkson explained it once. If a Scottish person does some achievement, then it's considered a great British achievement , and everyone in the UK is proud of that achievement. If an Englishman does something , then it's a great English achievement, because the English are just better.

[@cobbler9113]

Fun fact, numerically speaking, more Scottish voters voted for the UK to leave the EU than voted for Scottish Independence back in 2014 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 In 2016, we voted as a union to leave the EU. Whether you voted leave in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Paisley, Hackney, Islington or some other Remain stronghold, it counted the same as a leave vote in Boston, Sunderland, Hull, Pembrokeshire or another Leave stronghold.

[@danielwebb8402]

@@cobbler9113 Indeed. It's almost like an individual TV region doesn't get a veto

[@mikeygilmour4635]

The election route is independence by manifesto and governance by manifesto is how government works in the UK. Also, if you include the other pro independence parties in the 2015 GE you get a clear majority in favour of independence.

[@tightnoose5611]

If that was the case there wouldn’t be a section 30 in the Scotland act

[@92Pyromaniac]

I think the chances of Boris Johnson still being PM at the end of this year are slim, let alone in Oct 2023!

[@DW-dd4iw]

The King of Scotland united all the crowns of the Kingdoms to become James I of Great Britain. Now Scotland want independence from their own union?

[@Mark-Haddow]

He wasn't King of Scotland. He was King of Scots. Nobody owns or rules over Scotland. It's why Jesus was judged to be head of the COS. (Church Of Scotland) so no man (or woman) could elevate themselves above the people.

[@rebeccamann5617]

No he also became King of England upon Elizabeth I death. The UK didn't become what it is today until Queen Anne, over 100 years after James I

[@verystripeyzebra]

That's the wrong union. Its the 1707 Union Scotland want independence from.

[@a13xdunlop]

Yes thats right.

[@sicgc7658]

How can anyone see this and think: “this is fair”? We are a minority in this union, which means we need the consent of another country to have any major say. If this isn’t a Union of Equals, Consent nor Fairness, then what actually is the point of this Union? It really hurts me to hear the way we often get talked about in politics and media, effectively treated as an extension of the UK, something Westminster owns, are a group of ungrateful idiots. I know people aren’t anti-Scottish, but the establishment clearly doesn’t care for those of us living in Scotland, only the resources, power and stability that we provide within the Union. I genuinely believe that it’s impossible for the UK to change in a democratic, just and meaningful way - not without a constitutional catalyst. I truly believe, and hope, that Scottish Independence (as well as Irish Unification) will provide the necessary catalyst and space to allow for true reform of Westminster to occur. As such, I believe independence would be beneficial to the vast majority of people across these islands:Scotland would finally be seen as an equal, pursue EU/NC membership, finally tackle our ignored socioeconomic and geopolitical issues and have a government that we actually vote for, that stands up for us and is accountable to us; whilst England & Wales would be able to use this shift in democracy, as well as with the help of an independent, equal, Scottish Government to implement true democratic reform, accountability and transparency within Westminster. This isn’t about separation, borders nor hatred - it’s about progressive values, equality, fairness, establishing a green economy, rejoining the EU and providing hope for the futures of the overwhelming majority of people across the British Isles, not just those living in Scotland. Anyone who wishes to join us in an independent Scotland isn’t just more than welcome, but we’d love to have you here! If you live here, work here, establish yourself here and want to make Scotland a better place for yourself, your family, your friends and your community - then you’re just as Scottish as anyone else calling this place their home.

[@synkraut9633]

I was not in favor of Scottish independence when the referendum was held in 2014 but Brexit changed everything: I grew up in the flemish part of Belgium and that country has its own issues that could have led to it falling apart but I believe being a member of the EU mitigates the problem. It makes it easier to identify as a member of a certain European region rather than be bothered with petty national(istic) resentments

[@BasicLib]

So why then Would you be in Favour of the dissolution of another country ? I’m not British or even western, but this tendency of Europeans to just want to see the Anglos dead is surprising. Weather it’s rooting for the dissolution of the UK or the collapse of the USA It’s not behavior one would expect from an aliance affirmed in blood and mutual sacrifice that has lasted 8 decades. Yh the British left the EU, but then making it a point to support the dissolution of their country only proves them right in the first place.

[@seankavanagh7625]

@@BasicLib That's the point. It is not their country. It's Scotland's.

[@Pikaling3408]

As a Romanian we cannot recognise an illegal referendum and it’s would be pretty difficult for us to deal with Scotland because of Transnistrian separatism

[@ahab9712]

The scots had a "once in a lifetime" official refurendum some years ago and the majority voted to stay. Its all social media crap, their economy would be ruined, the uk would be fine except now they would have to do everything for scotland since their on the continent like defense. Just like with ireland, we have to do all of their air defense for them and naval defense and thus they can be "neutral"

[@christopherg2347]

Which is why they are making sure it *IS* a legal referendum. Literally everything in this video is about making sure it is legal!

[@jasonswan7646]

@@ahab9712 there has been material changes since then, being dragged out the EU, being governed by Boris and his cronies, never mind the lies the better together campaign spouted for years about poor Scotland. Just look at the speech by Rabb lasy week where he admitted that WM wants to keep Scotland for it's resources and that's what makes us better together.

[@grimnir8872]

@@jasonswan7646 Of course the UK wants to keep Scotland for it's resources, it's literally all you produce since we allowed the SNP to dictate control of the shipyards and that has gone massively tits up.

[@LordDim1]

@@jasonswan7646 The UK gains from economies of scale. Scotland isn’t some poor third world country, but it is subsidies by the rest of the UK via the Barnett formula, receiving billions more per year than it pays in. The problem for Scotland is a very high government deficit; 3 times higher than the limit to get into the EU in fact. And without the Barnett formula... Well, either Scotland would remain outside the EU, with a massive budget deficit, or implement massive austerity to try to get into the EU. Neither is particularly good. Scotland does 60% of its trade with the rest of the UK and 20% with the EU. On the economic side of things, staying in the union is a no brainer. The union needs reform, and god that idiot Boris needs to go, but Scotland is without a doubt better off within the union

[@thomasboyd3104]

Awesome. Excellent channel. Brilliant content. Spot on.

[@Cybonator]

There's more legitimate justification for a 2nd Indy Ref than there ever was for a Brexit Ref.

[@Bushflare]

Define 'legitimate' in this context.

[@Cybonator]

@@Bushflare sustain political pressure for indepence over decades (including, but not limited to: protests, campaigns, marches, election manifestos). Compared to Brexit where only 1 party (UKIP) and fringe membership of Conservatives ever campaigned on the issue; no marches, no protests. Moreover, Indy Ref no.1 UK govt made a promise to Scotland they only by staying in the Union would they stay in the EU. That promise was broken.

[@theirishempire4952]

@@realitykicksin8755 oh boohoo, Scotland has to vote for independence. What so you want? Car bombs in the UK? A repeat of the Troubles?

[@theirishempire4952]

@@Bushflare Brexit was for racist reasons

[@Bushflare]

@@Cybonator If more than 50% of the population were ready to vote for Brexit then it's kinda bizarre to suggest that the issue was fringe. UKIP was about 25 years old by the time of the referendum and they had been campaigning pretty hard over that for the entire time. They also consistently won plenty of seats in the EU Parliament (in fact I think they held the most seats for a few election cycles) so I don't see how what you're saying really applies.

[@TotalWar01]

I can appreciate the view that people will argue a General Election isn't a singular issue but what else are Scotland's elected officals meant to do? If the people of Scotland democratically elect a majority of parties with a purpose of Independence and then that majority are denied Democracy by Westminster then what are the Scots meant to do? Just accept that manifestos and Democracy doesn't mean anything? Its an absolute farce that the Democratic will of the people of Scotland can be rejected by an English MP and/or Prime Minister ... and this doesn't help the Union either. Also, the question of greater Devolution is also manipulitive bait. Sure, its possible a future Labour Govt COULD grant more powers to Scotland... but then whats to stop a future Conservative Govt then renaging on those and removing powers like they've done through Brexit? Independence really is the only way forward for Scotland.

[@Alan_Mac]

What else are Scotland's elected officials meant to do? Respect the will of the people as expressed clearly in 2014. It isn't that difficult.

[@saddoncarrs6963]

@@Alan_Mac Yes, in 2014 the Scottish electorate clearly expressed a view that they'd prefer to be part of the UK rather than be an independent nation. But, in 2016, they expressed an even clearer view that they'd also prefer to be part of the EU rather than be independent of the EU. They were then told that they didn't have a choice. And in 2019 they expressed a view that they'd rather not have a right wing, hard brexit tory government installed in Westminster. But they didn't have much of a choice on that one, either. And in 2021 they expressed a view that they'd like to have Scottish independence supporting elected officials in office at Holyrood. So, what are those elected officials meant to do in 2022? Respect the will of the people as expressed clearly by the electorate in 2016, 2019 and 2021. A lot has changed since 2014 - try to keep up.

[@Alan_Mac]

@@saddoncarrs6963 The most common combination of votes between the 2014 and 2016 ballots was 'no' and 'remain'. You're doing the usual thing of thinking that being against Brexit (like me) means supporting Britain being partitioned. It doesn't. Also, in 2021 the three Separtitst parties had, between them, fewer than half the votes. The Nats have failed to respect the vote of 2014 and that's to their demerit and we should not be pandering to them. There is little to no change in support for partition - though there is a massive amount of grievance-mongering from Scotland's empty-headed Partitionists. Do try and keep up.

[@parco7735]

Funny how Scottish politicians are doing exactly what Britain did in brexit make it sound good to leave and then not have a plan after

[@English_Dawn]

There's a fully prepared plan for Brexit just the Main Stream Media are loathe to see it. It's just not on their wavelength. The Establishment still don't get it.

[@Shapedjarl]

About 9 minutes in you had a small mistake with edition, just said “so in preparation for that” twise nothing big lol

[@johnnicolson467]

It's not if Scotland leaves the UK it's when, and the Torys cant stop it and they know it.

[@dontalkt2meboutheros]

Sturgeon and the SNP are doing it all wrong. There should be way more AMIABLE negotiations with Westminster in place, from thereon, to secure a respectful transition if Scotland ever decides and votes to leave the UK. Stipulations should include trade, monetary system and border security. Citing distain and making things awkward are never going to work. As far as I'm concerned Sturgeon hasn't even made her first step towards independence.

[@polishpsych]

I wonder what happens if the first or the second route opens and Scotland will get its referendum on independence. I wonder what happens if Scottish people vote “Yes”. Will it be the stop of the Union? I don’t think that Britain would like to have a non-democratic union in which one country desperately doesn’t want to be the part of, right?

[@joshuajeffree9887]

The arguement against that statement is Scotland has just had a referendum In which remain won.

[@merlumili]

@@joshuajeffree9887 but then Brexit happened, which Scotland didn't want... So who really knows how a referendum now would go?

[@polishpsych]

@@joshuajeffree9887 That was before Brexit, wasn’t it? Many things changed since then. I believe that some people voted remain to stay in the EU and that was taken away from them by Westminster. Now they can become independent and rejoin.

[@LordBenjaminSalt]

@@polishpsych yeah, a big part of the government's campaign against Scottish independence was insisting that an independent Scotland would not be in the EU, and strongly suggesting (I don't think they outright stated it, but I could be willing it was a long time ago) that the UK would veto any attempts by Scotland to rejoin the EU.

[@brownflat8837]

Politics is fake and scripted

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

So many plans to do that, so little plans to help people.

[@themillitantpigeon2149]

Exactly, SNP should focus on making Scotland a better country for Scots instead of this independence obsession

[@MrToymaster1]

@@themillitantpigeon2149 but then how would the SNP get re-elected if they don’t have a massive distraction from the utter inability to effectively govern Scotland?

[@watchman835]

I can not wait to tour a free Scotland.

[@Marcusjnmc]

it's free already, as much as anywhere in the UK is, unless you meant independent

[@watchman835]

@@Marcusjnmc If Scotland was so free then it would have still stayed with EU.

[@Marcusjnmc]

@@watchman835 Scotland is in part responsible for the conservative majority that fastracked the UK out of the EU

[@randombystander5324]

This is not only a legal question. Since this is about breaking away from a state, the law of said state doesn't really matter as long as the breakaway is successful and a new law is established. The legality of the breakaway does only matter in the case of it failing, because then the law of the original state will be enforced (like in Catalonia). Thus this question is also about the amount of the risk the scottish government is willing to take as well as their ability to enforce the separation. In that case might would make right.

[@hmshknndy]

It is not independent they be a very small fish in a very big pond.

[@dava4444]

Jack.. you're mistaken on point 3. " “as a nation, they [the Scots] have an undoubted right to national self-determination; thus far they have exercised that right by joining and remaining in the Union. Should they determine on independence no English party or politician would stand in their way”- M. Thatcher 'If the SNP gets a successive majority of MP's in the House of Commons, Scotland could declare independence" - Leon Brittan

[@alexreynolds4199]

and, this changes nothing they have no way forward without s30

[@Ryan_Alwi]

Words spoken by a politician are not legally binding

[@blackflagdoomguy]

The opinions of 2 politicians doesn't make him incorrect, it shows you fundamentally don't understand how politics works

[@Ryan_Alwi]

@@blackflagdoomguy I don't think he even made a statement lol, OP was just quoting notable figures to make a point about support for Scottish independence which I disagree with because just cause they support it does not mean that it can, will, or even should necessarily happen

[@blackflagdoomguy]

@@Ryan_Alwi I very much rebuke the idea that Margret Thatcher was a supporter of independence. I believe in both independence for Scotland and the inalienable right to self determination, but what makes me believe in those things aren't the words of a dead Tory

[@Uduwerage]

As indicated within the comments section by @Jokke the SNP is not the only pro-Independence party within Scotland. The Scottish Green party is pro-Independence plus there are members of the Labour Party and even the Liberal Democrat Party who may well support such a referendum. Amazingly I’ve even met a couple of pro-Independence members of the Scottish Conservative party. Although I personally believe that any Constitutional changes should receive a significant majority proportion of support in a referendum the Brexiteers changed the rules and we now find ourselves alone and economically on the wrong side of the channel.

[@Uduwerage]

@TheFastAndThe Dead how could I have forgotten Alba? Must be a Freudian slip!

[@george_m641]

@TheFastAndThe Dead ,i would not say small.A lot of my friends vote them because the are just better than others and they pro-unionist

[@MrMrJoshMany]

What happens when Scotland’s democracy is denied by England’s leader? How does a country that entered a voluntary union then seek to leave that voluntary union?

[@billcipherproductions1789]

It wasn't voluntary. The reason in England and Scotland united in 1707, was because Scotland screwed up really bad in the 1690s and the early 1700s. Let just say that were one of the Europeans states tat failed in being a colonial power and the want to do so costed them their entire treasury, leaving the country bankrupt and weak so in came England, who was sort of okay by that point and promised to pay of Scotland's debts if they decided to enter a Union.

[@New-ye2fl]

99.9% of Scot’s had zero say in wether they joined the union or not

[@billcipherproductions1789]

@@New-ye2fl Duh. It was 1707 not 2022 when England and Scotland united. Democracy was barely a thing and democracy on the British Isles was more or less completely dysfunctional and let alone with the rest of Europe being outright Absolute Monarchies.

[@New-ye2fl]

@@billcipherproductions1789 Right so let’s not try portray it was, and no democracy wasn’t a thing, not barely 🤣

[@billcipherproductions1789]

Scotland entered this union as a debt slave, not a voluntary member; thats only on paper.

[@lijie2511]

It is so interesting to see that there is voice of independence almost everywhere, was the same in Belgium.

[@THEPINKFLOYDIANS]

No Section 30 agreement, then the UK is a prison. Which is when Scotland's Claim of Right 1689 trumps all. Tick 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿✂️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Tock

[@Tyler-qr7rd]

Kinda funny but if they really get the Independence they deserve you have to change your name to TLDR England because i don't think they still can call themselves UK without Scottland

[@pastlesandfish]

They technically still could because the United in United Kingdom refers to the union with Ireland (now Northern Ireland, not Scotland.) When Scotland and England formed their union in 1707, the new state was called the Kingdom of Great Britain. There was no United in the title until Ireland joined in 1800.

[@getnohappy]

As a staunch remainer (rejoiner) I'm against it for the same reasons I was against leaving the EU, and the "arguments" in IndyRef #1 were the same as for the later Brexit (albeit far less toxic). But denying a vote serves no purpose other than to make it more inevitable and more divisive. It will be fun, if nothing else, to watch Johnson defend a union of european nations though! I just hope the SNP don't go full Brexit and keep things in the realm of reality.

[@2dradon2]

Im the same as you, remainer and union voter. Mostly your right, the issue is that the SNP will want scexit no matter what, even if scotland votes to remain again, they will look for another excuse a few years down the line.

[@ionnanskilliorus6877]

The best plan is just keep the Tories in power, they've done more for Scottish independence than Robert the Bruce.

[@samanthapatrick4345]

I don't really see the torries fighting for Scottish Independence however Robert The Bruce did that makes him better than the torries

[@ionnanskilliorus6877]

@@samanthapatrick4345 Anything's better than a Tory.

[@grimnir8872]

@@ionnanskilliorus6877 And this mentality is why you keep voting for the SNP, the group that literally lowers all Scottish standards of living, is horrible corrupt with money scandals every month and has done nothing for Scotland but chirp about Independence, because the Scottish have become Ill educated idiots who think England is causing them all their issues.

[@davidty2006]

@@ionnanskilliorus6877 yeah even the fucking cat.

[@ghostlypresents7922]

And the SNP has done more to keep the tories in power than anyone else.

[@bhagawanpoudel1155]

YES💯 SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@cmcc3721]

What shee needs first is a Scottish electorate that supports it. That's not going to happen in her lifetime...or even mine.

[@peterfarmer725]

Sturgeon must be gutted that Johnson has resigned,he was her best weapon for independence!

[@kryoboy2.074]

Nope...the people of Scotland are the best Weapon for independence. Fuck all to do with boris johnson now anyway so moot point. The next PM won't stop indyref2 either. Imagine if you couldn't have a general election ever again🤔 Aye well democracy says otherwise. 19.10.2023 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

Divide and divide, again and again, until we’re back to the medieval HRE years.

[@patrickriarchy1976]

Divide and conquer much?!

[@scratchy996]

I see what you did there, Napoleon ;)

[@harrylong2796]

Divide et impera

[@Tobi-ln9xr]

The HRE wasn’t a unified country. It was more like the EU today.

[@KarmaTheNarrator23]

@@Tobi-ln9xr thats LITTERALY what hes refering to

[@timwoodger7896]

We need an English Independence referendum and let the other countries go their own way.

[@blackflagdoomguy]

I would love the UK if England wasn't in it tbqh

[@blackflagdoomguy]

Take the queen and the Tories with you, thanks

[@timwoodger7896]

@@blackflagdoomguy oh don’t worry as soon as we can break up the U.K. we can break away from Westminster altogether and have local governments run by local people and yes the parasitic Royal family can do one as well! But first, Scotland the Brave needs to stand up and fight for the freedom we all deserve! But if this doesn’t happen we need a new back up plan and get the English Nationalist to fight for their freedom And break up this unholy scam of a union that only serves Westminster and it’s cronies! ✊

[@blackflagdoomguy]

@@timwoodger7896 love this, I honestly want Scotland to be the inverse of a federal state, where the government acts as nothing more than a mediator between the competing interests and laws of sovereign council governments

[@timwoodger7896]

@@blackflagdoomguy I’m with you brother✊

[@liamtahaney713]

It's weird because the conservatives would benefit electorally by getting rid of all of Scotland's mps which skew not conservative

[@alexpotts6520]

It's almost as if they value the union beyond naked electoral advantage...

[@MrMalcovic]

@@alexpotts6520 Why would that be if Scotland is supposedly subsidised?

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

But empire trumps politics.

[@veggiesupreme3556]

@@MrMalcovic I don’t understand why so many pro independence Scots think this is some irrefutable argument. Just because Scotland is a net beneficiary doesn’t mean it should be gotten rid of. Many regions in England are also burdens to the tax payers but aren’t about to be discarded as people believe in a country and believe in its continued existence

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

@@MrMalcovic Because Scotland is intertwined with England, culturally and legally. To sever that will take decades to fix and that's ignoring the tens if not hundreds of thousands of Scottish people in England or vice versa. People will go from living in Britain to having to pick a England and Wales or Scotland, especially if Scotland joins the EU which will create a border and stop free movement... Subsidising Scotland is better for Westminster than ripping the country in two.

[@georgemelvin9079]

worst case scenario they let us go independent then we are totally screwed

[@MrMalcovic]

Why's that? Too poor, too wee or too stupid?

[@RogerHyam]

In the last four Westminster polls (2010, 2015, 2017, 2019) the SNP got 20%, 50%, 36%, 45% of the popular vote on < 70% turnout. (For comparison Boris got 43% UK wide in 2019 and holds absolute power. He got 25% in Scotland, Labour 18% and LibDems only 9%) It is not inconceivable that the SNP would get over 50% if they could up the turnout in a politically energised populous. A bit chunk of Labour voters hate the SNP but are sympathetic to independence. Two more years of Boris plus Starmer wrapping himself in the Union Jack in order to secure English votes may well assure that. Imagine what the anti-EU vote would have been if Michel Barnier had had a veto over us holding a referendum on leaving the EU!

[@adamsayer11]

You also have to look at what voters may leave the snp if they ran on an independence only campaign. I do like a lot of their non independence related policies and im sure a number of other voters do too and just see the independence part as something that wont happen and just a formality of being the snp. Moving away from that to being single issue might force some of them away

[@RogerHyam]

@@adamsayer11 Yes. It will be interesting to see how they handle that. This will be a Westminster GE and SNP policies practically matter diddly squat because their MPs never get to implement anything down there anyhow. That is not how it is perceived though. Opposition parties always campaign on irrelevant, devolved issues during Westminster elections. Fun political times ahead.

[@adamsayer11]

@@RogerHyam I think any vote will be close but the polls still show remain in the lead by a decent 6% margin

[@jcym9058]

@@adamsayer11 after the 2016 referendum, I'm pretty sure that polling on separatist issues overestimates in favour of the status quo. Was there a single poll that showed a majority for leaving the EU? Either way, it wasn't just the SNP that had an independence vote as part of their official policy, you also had the Greens and Salmonds party, and more than 50% of voters in Scotland voted for these parties in the last General Election.

[@adamsayer11]

@TheFastAndThe Dead if that's the case then why don't they already run as a single issue party?

[@mkoschara]

I love Scotland.

[@chriscalvo7357]

Sorry to make this one of the first comments but got a notification twice about this video and saw you've spelt Sturgeon wrong

[@billjane5522]

KRANKIE is the correct spelling

[@ryanwatson5117]

"we believe all people - no matter where they are born - have a right to live safely, choose who governs them and to decide what organisations they aspire to have membership of. Or, indeed, what bodies they want to cease being members of. And we will not compromise on that principle." Boris Johnson Feb 2022

[@davidjennings2179]

Pretty sure Boris does want Scotland to vote out. Public opinion is so strongly against him at the moment that the best way he can convince Scots to want out is to tell them he doesn't want to even let them have a referendum on it.

[@ryanwatson5117]

@@davidjennings2179 I never said he did

[@ryanwatson5117]

@@davidjennings2179 and it's not his choice as he's clearly said in the above quote. Scotland is not hostage to an English prime minister's will. The Scottish people are sovereign under law and its our choice to remain or leave not England's.

[@davidjennings2179]

@@ryanwatson5117 Not his choice but he's clearly doing everything he can to convince to Scots to vote to leave.

[@belltond1527]

Independence would push Scotland into poverty

[@verystripeyzebra]

No. That old fallacy again.

[@iamjamie9562]

@@verystripeyzebra They would have to deal with the major issues of a large budget deficit, a formal border with their largest trading partner and no control of their currency, at least in the short term. These issues would hinder them if they wanted to get anywhere near EU membership. And pray tell, besides the principle of self governance (which I am not opposed to generally), what exactly does Scotland stand to gain from formally separating from a country it has been politically unified with for three hundred years?

[@verystripeyzebra]

@@iamjamie9562 UK has a large budget deficits, budget deficits are not unique. They stand to gain taking Scotland in a direction Scotland wants to go. They appear to want to be a social Democrats similar to Norway, Sweden, Denmark. That has not been possible while being chained to largely conservative English governments.

[@iamjamie9562]

@@verystripeyzebra The UK is also doing poorly in that regard, I agree. But it is a larger economy that is better equipped to solve this problem. If it was ill advised for the UK to leave the EU, surely it is even more problematic for Scotland to leave the economic and political union they have been part of for 315 years? I am sceptical about Scotland successfully creating a SocDem economy like Scandinavia because of the limited investment and growth they would likely secure, at least in the immediate future. Those countries are very friendly to businesses, and have higher personal taxes. Would the Scottish people really accept the latter condition?

[@verystripeyzebra]

@@iamjamie9562 Scotland would likely receive quite substantial investment, especially in the renewables sector. Of course people bitch about paying tax, but if in return you are getting excellent healthcare, education, pensions, and a strong social safety net, people don't mind so much. The constitutional arrangements for the UK are highly unsatisfactory, basically it is a what England wants the UK gets. This is only sustainable when politics are more or less aligned, this is not the case, and Scotland becomes increasingly more frustrated especially since brexit. Big big challenges for Scotland as am independent nation, but not insurmountable. The Scots are pretty realistic about the shock to the system it will be, they are certainly not painting it as some casual stroll into world domination in the same way brexit was. Scotland is a rich country, and has every chance of flourishing.

[@charlesjmouse]

If the Scots really do want their independence, why not? It's good have the option to determine our own destiny if we wish... *as long as we are prepared to bare the full responsibility.* Personally I think all the countries of the UK are better off together, especially Scotland, Wales, and N Ireland. If Scotland does go it alone it had better be full independence, not some parasitic pseudo-independence.

[@Jack-uy7ie]

No. You wont get independence this decade. Scottish independence is a blow against NATO. Especially during heightened tensions with Russia.

[@Moray2023]

If I was English. I'd want Scotland out. Without Scotland - - We'd of got a better Brexit deal as May would of got a Majority government. As well as having a much stronger bargain power with a clear leave vote. - We'd have a more stable currency that isn't influenced by a threat from the SNP. - We'd not be covering the Unemployment and Health bills from Scotland which are some of the highest in the countries. - We'd be able to create laws with smaller push back. - They'd be able to distribute the military to areas of the the UK that need that investment rather than areas like the west of Scotland and Moray who only survive due to the military employment and income. I'm starting to think it shouldn't be Scotland voting for Independence, but The UK voting whether to kick them out.

[@kerrydevlin]

If we are in a union,"so called" then we should just be able to leave. If Scotland is told we can't just ask ourselves a qy then we are no longer in a union,we are then a colony. We could just ask the iun to recognise us as a colony and leave that way. Whatever happens,it's a brass neck for Westminster to stop a whole nation having its say.

[@veggiesupreme3556]

Take a look at countries around the world and see the powers of different regions to call referendums for their independence. It’s not common at all. Hell the states of America aren’t even allowed to leave if they wanted to

[@cstrutherskgs]

That doesn’t make you a colony.

[@Alan_Mac]

Nonsense. We're a unitary nation-state and have been since 1707. It's amazing that so many Nationalists haven't a fucking clue about Britain's constitutional settlement. Plus the idea that Westminster stopping a whole nation from having its say is just nonsense. We did that already.

[@sydneyfong]

​@@veggiesupreme3556 Pretty sure the EU allows for that. Oh, and I heard a country recently successfully withdrew from it. I mean, surely that country in question appreciates the rights to hold referendums to determine their own nation's future, right? LOL

[@veggiesupreme3556]

@@sydneyfong haha “successfully” withdrew now that’s funny. Also that’s just a false equivalency as the EU isn’t a country so you still haven’t given me a region or a state within a country that can legally hold independence referendums without the consent of the national government. I’m sure there are a few if you bothered to look and maybe we should adopt a similar system to them but don’t use it as some kind of evidence that Scotland is oppressed as the vast majority of regions can’t independently hold referendums

[@lastprince9199]

Your point is Scotland is under English occupation.

[@xdemgeo3581]

This is such a complicated stuff for a foreigner like me to understand

[@jameswlong]

Tldr; it won't work.

[@allanlank]

Having, during my lifetime, endured two referendums on Quebec independence, I shutter at the thought of any other country having to go through that. However, the Brexit debacle has modified my opinion on Scottish independence. Scotland would do much better as a Canadian province, but Putin's invasion of Ukraine has made that diplomatically unsavory.

[@Alan_Mac]

That "Scotland would do much better as a Canadian province" is otter bilge. We're fine as we are as British, thanks.

[@mulhern1988]

You can’t compare Scotland to Canada. Canada is a colony, The Canadians are not and ancient people like the Scots

[@firebyrd437]

@@Alan_Mac were not fine as we are at all

[@Alan_Mac]

@@firebyrd437 I am perfectly fine. You're just a small-minded xenophobe who thinks we should draw the tartan curtain across Britain. An unbelievable and highly regressive notion.

[@allanlank]

@@mulhern1988 The Anishinaabe have been in Kanata longer than the Scotti have been in Pictland.

[@TheCookieRave]

There should be, without a doubt, another vote for Scottish Independence. Self determination and democracy are fundamental values of the United Kingdom. Sturgeon can't just decide to have a vote when it best suits her though- can't just be off the back of a global economic problems & the pandemic. Realistically it should be after the next general election and therefor closer to a 10 year gap since the previous one. This needs to be agreed upon and protected under the law so that they have the right to self determination, but the SNP can't use current affairs to manipulate the time of the vote to their own benefit.

[@RoadRashSpirit]

Westminster broke all its promises from the last refferendum and also left the EU, Scotland wanted to remain, pandemic and economics have little to do with it and you are gaslighting by trying to make it so.

[@OrlandMapper]

@@RoadRashSpirit Scotland wanted to remain, but majority of people didnt. Scotland is par of the UK, so referendum to leave EU applies to them as well. That is respecting democracy and the argument "Scotland should declare independence, because it wanted to remain in EU" is not a good one.

[@TheCookieRave]

@@RoadRashSpirit As others have said, Scotland needs to leave on good terms. A complete split between the two nations at this time will create severe animosity and will make Brexit look like a breeze. The UK economy is doing badly, like most of Europe, and even more so due to Brexit. Scotland had a referendum less than 10 years ago. There has to be some time limit to how often these enormous decisions can be brought to vote, and this needs to be written into law so that Scotland's right to self determination is protected. Don't underestimate how all politicians manipulate current affairs to their own benefit- issues like the economy, coronavirus and nationalism (British or Scottish) will always be used to gain popular support against an opposition. Lets get rid of the damn tories, and allow Labour, The Liberal Democrats & the SNP discuss terms of a clear, grounded and fair split in the Union (unlike what was done with Brexit). This will give the Scottish people a chance to decide for themselves again the path they wish to take without forcing a hard split, and economic turmoil like we've seen with Brexit.

[@RoadRashSpirit]

@@TheCookieRave OK you go ahead and ignore the facts on the ground. Nice ideology though.

[@TheCookieRave]

@@RoadRashSpirit please tell me these facts

[@indiankuttan401]

Long live independent Scotland.

[@michaelranger9104]

If she wants independent so badly why dose she not just declare UDI and get it over with...and give us a drake from her winning

[@New-ye2fl]

Because it doesn’t matter what she wants, it’s what the public want, she’ll want to win a referendum with a Majority

[@michaelranger9104]

@@New-ye2fl OH and there's me thinking she won the last two elections on the single issue of Independence for Scotland, in both cases with a Majority! so representing the Majority of Scots. Giving a score on 3 votes of 1 referendum to stay in the union and 2 to leave mmmmmmm.....just how many votes dose it take? just declare UDI and Go

[@grouse693]

Respectable vid but as a scot. I say we have a vote. The timing is abit odd in my eyes but there 100% should be a vote

[@grouse693]

@T B no. A referendum should only happen when theres a major shift in the circumstances i.e the status quo or the secondary event theres a clear and mass majority that want it. Currently we fit the first bracket

[@Alan_Mac]

As a Scot, we were unfortunate that Dim Dave Cameron didn't understand the Act of Union and allowed Scotland a vote to partition Great Britain. That was a serious error of judgement and should never be repeated.

[@KelticStingray]

@T B keep having a referendum if it's in the manifesto of parties that make up the majority of elected government. It. Really. Is. That. Simple. Every 2 years. Every 1000 years is irrelevant.

[@stacksmalacks8826]

Aye the timing is my biggest issue. I want to get the fuck away from English Tory rule, but doing it on the back of the pandemic while we're getting absolutely raped from every angle seems unwise. Although if I need to live in some hard times so my decendents have a better, westminster free life, so be it.

[@Alan_Mac]

@@stacksmalacks8826 This is absolute tripe. Nationalists want Britain partitioned whoever is in government - be it Tory, Labour or a coalition. The true truth is that you just hate the English. We decent Scots don't want to live in a country dominated by the sort of neds, boors or Shinners who support nationalism. We despise your bigotry, your xenophobia and your empty-headed Braveheart cosplaying approach to politics.

[@Osindileyo1]

There was a referendum, leave the issue sturgeon.

[@MichaelGGarry]

*BEFORE* Brexit. The situation has most definitely changed since then.

[@Protont]

This reminds me of when Norway broke from Sweden. They didn’t have a legal referendum for independence or had they legal power to declare independence, but they still did and when sweden wanted to invade they we’re forced to back down due to swedish people supporting norway. It remains to be seen whether will Scotland be able to leave legally or whether will they have to declare independence illegaly and hope that british public won’t support attack on scotland

[@a13xdunlop]

An attack on Scotland by the British State would illicit International outrage on a scale never seen, not to mention that the Scots would not lie down to such an attack.

[@billjane5522]

If they want to join the EU they have to do things legally.

[@billjane5522]

@@a13xdunlop bit of a drama Queen arnt you

[@hyperd256]

Before, the problem was that a Scotland independence would mean they would be forced out of the EU.... now its a different story haha

[@bayuplay10]

The EU Will support British or Scotland?

[@martinfarrelly5196]

Get Scotpendence done

[@riccardo-964]

There's two "... in preparation for that ..." ;)

[@GigantorRexAtron]

The biggest issue is Scotland's right to have the referendum. The result will be the result but the idea that Westminster can block the referendum is utterly outrageous

[@cobbler9113]

Or you know, you could keep it to a once in a generation thing… I also find it amusing that this comes at a time when support for Scottish independence has in fact been going down. The pro-independence side has only led 3 polls since the parliamentary election last year and none since Russia invaded Ukraine.

[@maxdavis7722]

That’s kinda stupid, of course they aren’t allowed to get a vote whenever they want otherwise that is just ignoring democracy.

[@OrlandMapper]

I mean.. every country has the right to protect its land integrity (dont know the proper name in english) - that means that it can block part of their country from getting independence. And this applies to every country in the world.

[@cobbler9113]

@@OrlandMapper Territory?

[@OrlandMapper]

@@cobbler9113 Yeah.. I think it is "territorial integrity" - but I can be wrong.. English is not my first language so I'm not sure if it has the same meaning like in my language.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

SNP: we'll keep voting until we get the result we want regardless of if we can.

[@minsapint8007]

IndyRef2 was a 2019 SNP manifesto pledge. The SNP won over 80% of the seats. It would be fundamentally undemocratic to renege on manifesto commitments.

[@belltond1527]

@@minsapint8007 vote SNP get torri

[@SaintGerbilUK]

@@minsapint8007 maybe they shouldn't make promises they can't keep.

[@ehs1452]

@@minsapint8007 First Past The Post is not a representative electoral system.

[@12kenbutsuri]

So Scotland is trapped

[@mikkelschmitz5004]

The thing he didn’t mention was an illegal referendum. For instance, what actually happens if the SNP win a general election and there’s still to devolution of the power to call a referendum

[@EM-cw9eh]

@@mikkelschmitz5004 the Scottish government have categorically ruled out an “illegal” referendum.

[@MrToymaster1]

Every country works like this

[@thomasnederman]

Please stop Nebula stuff, already paying KZbin premium so not going to pay for another service

[@christinef5785]

What will Sturgeon do when Shetland make their own bid for independence as they are very unhappy with the snp?

[@New-ye2fl]

I mean your living in the past, last election Shetlands was one of SNPS biggest gains.

[@seankavanagh7625]

Ms current affairs

[@Pikapichuu]

I kinda wish she'd focus on more current issues over her dream of independence. Now is not tge time for it and it feels like she just wants it done NOW so she gets to say she did it. Not because it's actually what we need at the moment. There are bigger issues at hand

[@mishymoo34]

Independence was a pledge in the SNP manifesto. This is how democracy works.

[@BernhardWelzel]

What Scotland needs is to free itself from London in order to be able solve the more current issues.

[@williamthebonquerer9181]

If the SNP actually tried to improve Scotland why would they want to leave the UK?

[@BernhardWelzel]

@@williamthebonquerer9181 Because the UK is only good for one side: London. Everybody else suffers since they lost their freedom to the british a long time ago ...

[@beccalynne31]

@@williamthebonquerer9181 because the Scots want their well deserved freedom from England.

[@MrMalcovic]

The fact that the union is reserved means the Scottish parliament can't legislate *on the union*; holding a referendum isn't actually doing that, it's simply asking a question on it. It's actually not clear whether a referendum itself is outwith the Scottish parliament's competency, hence the referral to the Supreme Court. You're WRONG to state at the outset that it's illegal. Poor journalism, if not to say biased.

[@csvickers151]

If she called it out right without consulting the Supreme Court it would be. As Devolution to the Scottish parliament exists with the permission of the UK parliament. All it’s powers it has is given by the British parliament

[@MrMalcovic]

@@csvickers151 Can you cite the legislation that specifies explicitly that holding a referendum on Scottish independence is ilegal?

[@csvickers151]

@@MrMalcovic it’s not illegal if she ask the UK government to hold one. Because the Scottish parliament is a devolved body constitutional matters cannot be handled by the Scottish legislature only the UK parliament as these powers haven’t been devolved to it.

[@csvickers151]

@@MrMalcovic it’s not illegal if she asks the UK government to hold one. Because the Scottish parliament is a devolved body constitutional matters cannot be handled by the Scottish legislature only the UK parliament as these powers haven’t been devolved to it.

[@chengmunwai]

"Referendum until I get what I want" is Sturgeon's naked personal ambition to become PRIME MINISTER of a new country. If you have to hold this referendum again and again, obviously you will get the result you want eventually. Which is complete idiocy because once you get power, you will never hold any referendum to rejoin the UK. So there ya go..

[@EvdogMusic]

If unionist parties can win a majority in a post-independent Scottish Parliament, they're free to hold a Rejoin referendum

[@happyelephant5384]

Isn't their any polls about what Scottish people really want?

[@alexpotts6520]

There are. They show consistent single-digit leads for the union, but with enough undecideds to potentially swing the balance.

[@MrToymaster1]

Most polls currently say Most Scot’s don’t want to leave the UK or have a referendum any time soon

[@JohnTaylor-bf6ll]

There's a major point that most critics don't mention. The pro and contra. percentage of the Scottish population has always been split about 50/50. Even if she DOES hold any referendum (legal or illegal), an Ind. win result would have to be cleacut - 52% or anything near 55% would either cause civil disturbance, or more likely the UK government would persue claims similar to Trump in 2020 of dodgy dealings. And all this would be additional to an even worse smoldering outcome. Certain regions like Borders have indicated separation from Scotland, in particular the Northern Isles (whose secondary language learning has for long been Norwegian as opposed to Gaelic).

[@JohnTaylor-bf6ll]

@@New-ye2fl study your geography

[@somederp8915]

2:17: Solution: Turn Scotland into a republic, thus there is no longer a Kingdom of Scotland and thus also no longer any Union with the Kingdom of England.

[@daniel6009]

big brain move

[@billcipherproductions1789]

You can't since they can't do anything about the Crown. That's for Westminister.