Su-27 In War Thunder : A Basic Review

[@gregc9344]

Gonna be honest I have almost 30,000 matches, am top tier in every air tree and I gain effectively no new knowledge from your videos but I watch almost all of them all the way through just because it's satisfying to hear you explain stuff.

[@TimsVariety]

A lot of folks watch my stuff just out of general interest, I even get a fair number of viewers who dont even play the game lol

[@AndreDiasRJ]

Same. I have 32k SIM matches

[@nobleman-swerve]

​@@TimsVarietyHonestly as someone who lapses in and out of WT, your channel is my main continued exposure to the game. Love the format and presentation, nice low-stress way to keep somewhat up to speed with the game.

[@norske_ow3440]

@@TimsVariety the history stuff is my favorite

[@KaguyasBeat]

When going through the Soviet line and hitting rank VIII... I see this as the no brainer choice since missile loadout is generally the most important thing at top tier. You can straight up make this the first top tier Soviet plane you get and have the best possible missiles right off the bat and 10 of them at that. Makes going for the MiG-29 seem so underwhelming now.

[@doomguy.23frommars60]

And thats why the mifg 29 was first lol for a year

[@doomguy.23frommars60]

But the mig 29smt has way better ground attack then su 27 so great for ground RB same with f 16C

[@halolime117]

Keep in mind that this plane is MASSIVE, the 29 is tiny compared 😅

[@mich421]

But the mig 29 SMT will definitely receive R77 in the future so in my opinion it is worth looking for.

[@zee_terminator2850]

@@mich421so will the su-27 lol

[@bananomet4052]

08:00 its funny how they still have not fixed this radar stuck bug since the introduction of the F-14A.

[@solowingborders3239]

I have both the F-15J and J-11 and honestly, I prefer the F-15 in pretty much any situation, it just suits me more as a player. It's nice to see many jets at top tier actually being viable options. The Gripens scare me more than the Su-27 to be honest. I quite enjoy your videos Tim and they're very informative so keep up the good work!

[@runningamok2825]

Is it just the flight performance of the f15 that suits you? Seems like the easy dog fighter priority grind this update is gripen and the su-27 is the overall best missile sled. I'll be getting f15 last probably.

[@solowingborders3239]

@runningamok2825 Play style and it doesn't feel like it bleeds energy as bad as the Flanker. I avoid furballs and turning fights like the plague since I can't free-look on console without holding down a button.

[@mfakhripratama2266]

@@solowingborders3239 yeah flanker FM is bugged right now Many people find the problem in forum and will reporting the bug The biggest problem is Su-27 oswald efficiency ingame is 0.45, while dev server was 0.61 In real life the estimate is 0.71-0.75 Basically higher oswald will retain energy better, Su27 FM right now is just glorified mig21 who bleed speed in 1 turn like Delta wing

[@atvkid0805]

Bc they nerfed su27 NC nato crybaby clowns and then they gave f15 busted overpowered super maneuver flight model

[@solowingborders3239]

@mfakhripratama2266 If the Flanker has a bugged FM then now I get it why it's the way it is in game.

[@kotenara10]

We are two step closer to the Su-30

[@bread_1984]

The su30sm2 is my favorite!

[@H34Rt54]

my fav is su30mkm with american gbu@@bread_1984

[@sooryan_1018]

Need Su-30MKI my beloved 🇮🇳

[@DFDNDBY]

@@sooryan_1018 no please Britain don’t deserve both su30 and jas39

[@sooryan_1018]

@@DFDNDBY I wish Russia got those Indian jets but nope, Gaijin said UK

[@volatile5460]

The canard variants of the flanker are, bar none, some of the best looking aircraft to have ever existed

[@owencc1554]

As a ground main I don't play much Air RB, so I find your reviews extremely useful as they inform me as to which aircraft I should take the time to grind and play for best results as CAS and my limited time playing Air. Thank you.

[@jcdenton6074]

They called me crazy for going down the attacker/sukhoi line, then this got added and I immediately got it!

[@youssefgamal01]

Im in love with new jets' sounds Also great video as always

[@icespikegaming6786]

Su 35

[@No1harris_98]

One of my top 3 favourite aircraft so I’m just glad to finally see it and play it.

[@Panocek]

7:48 - I see radar bug is still alive and well

[@TimsVariety]

Yeah, that particular bug is profoundly annoying ....

[@Dewey_the_25U]

I just uninstalled WarThunder today, a lot of the changes to game recently has mad it lose it's appeal for me and I'm taking a break from it... I'm not taking a break from your content though, you do good shit Tim. Keep it up man! Edit: WarThunder is the only game that does this kind of simulation and does it well. Yeah, there's Arma, but it's a different kind of game entirely. WarThunder is a game that is, as far as I'm aware, the best at what it does so far. I uninstalled because the top-tier of the game has become a cluster-fuck of epic proportions and I don't want to put my time into the game while it's in this state. Even Low Tier feels janky and poorly balanced occasionally. I would really like them to focus down on QoL and Balancing instead of adding new Meta defining and breaking vehicles that will be very difficult to balance. Like how difficult the Maus was and is to balance for them in ground RB. They do these changes every couple of years and I uninstall/reinstall every once in a while because it's a game that just has no other competition in what it does.

[@BigNes445]

Good grief dude, take it to a publisher!

[@LordEmperorHyperion]

@Dewey You ain't the CEO of War thunder, hasn't it occurred to you by now this game doesn't really cater to you? Maybe you didn't get the message oh well enjoy playing other games which does cater to your taste, stay in your safezone.

[@bread_1984]

@@LordEmperorHyperionbased

[@brandonfrye2902]

Go write start a blog. Where people will actually read your writing

[@dosidicusgigas1376]

Thanks for the video Tim, you have the best informative WT content by far

[@mightyzuis]

I absolutely love this jet I can wait till the day they add the thrust vectoring variant and the naval based variants.

[@ferrous3262]

unfortanelty the naval version never got r-77s

[@litrize1]

Love your content as always Tim, Thank you for doing your best to keep up with it while you are so busy. Out of all the content creators for WT I think yours are the best.

[@Taxxxic]

Tim made this jet look so sexy. I was waiting for this vid and not disappointed

[@23enjoyer]

Another great review, time to watch and enjoy

[@Cyktar]

Thank u for video sir

[@tripps4130]

great video as always tim

[@josephthebig2889]

Never rush in with it ingame.... it might be able to out accelerate most of your team and make u get to the front lines fast but never do it... ive learned heavily from my mistaces and always let your teamates take the first missile shots and spot the first enemies incase they show up from no where and have a superior angle of attack.... the enemy will always go for the closest jet so if you stay behind the first jet will be the ideal target of the squad and if your at a good angle you can get the attack in on whoever is launching at the first guy.... never be first.... you will most likely have to fight migs or other Su27s since they are some of the fastest and as i said get to the battle first and most of them have R73s which can whipe you on a head on under 2km...

[@daeveddd7140]

Stock grinding this plane rn

[@Willemmoseley]

In Simulator battles this thing is extremely dangerous at BVR but if you can sneak up on it the Gripen walks all over it in a dogfight. It's about picking your battles against it.

[@chimpswag3492]

ngl gripen is definitely not as good as its made out to be, in sim i shit on them in the f16, but the su-27 definitely is something to worry about

[@andythesaladgod4578]

The amount of countermeasures on the Su-27 is actually pretty adequate when you take into account that they only launch 1 flare and or chaff at a time giving you a solid amount of countermeasures that I have yet to run out of in an air RB. My only grievances with the Su-27 are the somewhat outdated avionics (RWR and radar), along with the flight model being quite strange. The current flight model of the Su-27 feels like it is flying with its flight control system turned off which is why it can often times do these crazy maneuvers whenever I tap the rudder or elevators when I’m rolling causing me to lose a lot of energy and often times messes with my positioning when dog fighting. But overall the Su-27 is probably the best aircraft game in the game due to its crazy weapon load out although I feel like it’s not overly oppressive in the current meta.

[@andrewtorcisi6714]

Su-27 should be able to take 96 of each countermeasure so maybe it will be fixed but if they try and buff the flanker people will prob riot lmao

[@piscessoedroen]

@@andrewtorcisi6714 it's probably the same case with phantom CM, pretty sure they have different chaff and flare amount and have their own respective pods

[@andrewtorcisi6714]

@@piscessoedroen 96 of each countermeasure for a total of 192.

[@SWSagume]

From own experience, dont turnfight in general, really seconding Tim's words here, stay fast, positioning and using your team as a meatshield is key to unleash a missile rain. If in a pinch only dogfight F-15s. That there is no manual wingslat control really can screw with you with sustained energy fights. 2 excellent AoA maneuvers at the cost of becoming a xp pinhata. Good tip with sucker punching high flyers with the 27ET... actually should utilize that.

[@camilorodriguez5602]

Meanwhile im happy with my sirian su22m3 :D (im at tier 3 on this tree)

[@jacobscott1433]

One day Tim will use one of my skins in a review. One day

[@TimsVariety]

Probably not. I generally only use the default in-game skins in my formal reviews, but I use custom ones in random b-roll for like - rant vids, radar tutorials, etc etc, so possibly in one of those. :-) Unless you make zany anime-girl skins, those arent really my thing.

[@jacobscott1433]

@@TimsVariety nah, mostly alt-historical stuff. Like a British and a couple US ones for the Su-27. Could be described as zany lol

[@hepgoat7693]

Watching this just makes me want to grind air rb

[@DataDownLynk]

Fun fact, with most russian jets it is impossible to resist the urge to keep firing missiles at your target before your first missile even hits. If only the jets made it possible to wait for the first missile to miss or hit before letting loose another three.

[@michaelsanders6920]

Strong ace combat vibes

[@justfly7730]

I am flying mine. R27 ET spam is a nice way to stir the hornets nest

[@ww2planes_810]

Honestly, the R27ER feels broken AF. I've had it climb up and out 22km from the deck. There isn't another missile like tha (except maybe the AiM 54C but I don't own the F14B yet)

[@Unknown-xf9kw]

​@@ww2planes_810I like using the ERS in close to mid range, mainly with the hmd

[@gendo1]

The SU-27 embodies the concern you've expressed in previous videos. At top teir, I'm not sure I have the nessecary twitch reaction speeds to fly these jets now with so many missles and speeds. We need the AIM 120's!

[@atvkid0805]

russian plane has more than 6 missiles, gib OP amraam REEEEEEEEEEEE cry harder buffoon

[@stoplossmr]

you already have the only fox3 in the game and you want a more powerful one burgerbros will never be happy until they press one keybind and the whole enemy team explodes

[@memesxd6662]

The time when IRCCM missles were somehow undodgable.

[@Daniel-ie3mt]

Do you prefer this heavy missile bus or something like the MiG-29G?

[@TimsVariety]

Too early to say, but I am absolutely loving the Flanker so far.

[@LarySeeAircraft]

What are the extra radar lines that expand out of the radar indicator that have come this update?

[@TimsVariety]

Max missile range visualized a little better. I'll be updating my radar tutorial soon, probably next month.

[@LarySeeAircraft]

@@TimsVariety ah ok thanks, thats quite helpful i feel it could be implemented better thought with it just going up instead of covering half the screen

[@bombaya85]

Can`t wait till the snail releases the Su-34

[@Soarnea]

what a nice vehicle i'll never have!

[@Unknown-xf9kw]

Never give up

[@XpunisherX8152]

I fly the J-11 as the cooler Daniel cuz everyone is Daniel flying the Su-27

[@TimsVariety]

The J-11 will be getting its own review at some point in the medium term.

[@jordanharvey5739]

Never take more than 20 mins of gas on this thing and have yet to ever run out of gas, even with 4-5 kill games. Makes a massive difference

[@_ace_defective_]

I'm glad the Su-27 isn't the most dominant dogfighter in the game, because its missile load is insane. Not only is it 10 missiles, but it's 10 of the best IR and SARH missiles in the game. Still though, I think maybe they went a little far with its missile load. Most other nations just can't really compare to how good its missiles are.

[@osamb1e658]

When su27 got aim-9m?

[@ww2planes_810]

​@osamb1e658 The Russian IRAAMS have a FOV gate. It's still REALLY strong unless preflaring

[@osamb1e658]

@@ww2planes_810 aim9m has an inertial system and invisibility. In random it makes them better. (thanks to bad working marker system)

[@_ace_defective_]

@@osamb1e658 You can reliably defeat the 9M due to the way it rejects flares; all you need to do is dump flares then change your flight path. The R-73's IRCCM on the other hand makes it nearly unflareable at close range since it doesn't seem the flares, and it also is much more maneuverable. The 9M's smokeless motor is nearly irrelevant in air RB where it has the missile marker anyways. The 9M is still very good, it is just not R-73 levels of good. The AAM-3 beats it too, anyways.

[@imperialenforcer2271]

Back then : MiG-21 + MiG-23MLD Today : MiG-29 + Su-27

[@hybrid_grizzly]

Sucks that the hdd didn't get the datalink display and instead got the generic War Thunder radar screen, although it's cool that it did get the HUD repeater mode (not that it's all that useful)

[@ursensitiveinagayway4016]

While the f15s Radar has a completely wrong radar set and it locks onto chaff with PD and sparrows which were alr bad in wt go for chaff like an ir missile

[@Zeithri]

I want the upgrade with canards ;;

[@GNOLXOEKIM]

road to f18

[@SmileNoirRTXRizenNvidiaGeforce]

6:58 this kill and loss are fully balanced

[@janusz4156]

45 years of Su-27 in 2022

[@norske_ow3440]

7:56 wonder if they will ever fix that radar bug

[@Unknown-xf9kw]

Is the bug when it looks like it's hmd even tho it's acm?

[@irohnick]

Unfortunately the maneouvrability part, at least based on the *current* flight model (which is horrible), is greatly exagerated.

[@NineSeptims]

correct. It should only be highly manoeuvrable at higher altitude and speeds.

[@ryanweintraub9448]

4:18 there is no argument. It IS the best radar SARH missile by far

[@Red_Lion2000]

Meanwhile the aim7m is a useless piece of shit that just explodes or loses track for no reason.

[@atvkid0805]

clown

[@Sentient-_-]

Do you see any other nations getting an SU27 variant in future updates? Also any predictions or hopes for aircraft next major update?

[@TimsVariety]

India flies an Su-33 I think (off the top of my head) so its possible one might show up somewhere. China obviously has the J-11 family.

[@sujalshetty5986]

No India only has mig 29k for the navy. They have the Su-30 mki though ​@@TimsVariety

[@worldoftancraft]

obviously more land lease. T-90a for UK? Now Su-30 goes there.

[@Unknown-xf9kw]

Probably since the best way to fix Russian bias is to give it to many nations in the form of minor nations

[@Elaina_The_Ashen]

Hey no rush but when we getting the update RWR/Radar guide? Just curious to see if there anything I’m doing wrong

[@TimsVariety]

After the next couple of reviews are done, RWR is next, then radar.

[@СергейНикольский-я2ц]

Can anyone tell which is the rate speed of su-27 in the game, is it ~800 like it is irl?

[@linusorm]

Why do you use that radar scope instead of the B-scope?

[@TimsVariety]

No special reason, just personal preference.

[@hybrid_grizzly]

b scope best scope

[@Anti-Villain-Wolf]

Is it true that they nerfed the American radars with this update? I've also noticed they altered the Phoenix missiles on the F-14A

[@TimsVariety]

I haven't noticed personally.

[@atvkid0805]

they broke radar missiles in general, it seems like every couple games I have an R27ER that flies into the dirt or goes wherever it wants too even though I have a lock

[@lemangeur2poulet248]

In test flight some missiles randomly crash into the ground… Gaijin just ruined sarh and arh missiles

[@CokenOpi]

i'm so bad at dodging radar missiles :( it makes me not want to play top tier at all anymore

[@westernspy561]

Just stay low, the missile will hit the ground and miss you. Also search up how to notch in war thunder on KZbin.

[@briappa6670]

This is a small thing, but hurts me a little. You don't spell the Su in su27. These are the first two letters from "Sukhoi". You tell them together. It is true for most soviet/russian aircraft. The origin of the word says a lot about how it should be said.

[@TimsVariety]

This has come up once or twice before, but saying "soo twenty seven" or "mee twenty four" just feels unnatural to American native-English speakers. We never pronounce-out two letter aircraft names. I don't know why, but it just doesn't happen.

[@briappa6670]

@@TimsVariety English is not my first language, so i didn't understand that, but as I said. Not a big deal. I am just a little oversensitive with such things.

[@Ming-Chan]

My only gripes against this plane is its access to the R-27ER/ET. Those missiles vastly outclass anything else ingame. IRL they outclass even the initial R-77 in range too which leaves me with 1 hard question. Will players be content with the R-77 having comparable range to the R-27R in exchange for its active homing? Or will they cry for the vaporware ramjet R-77-PD whose only competition is the Meteor which we'd probably won't see ingame for a long while.

[@atvkid0805]

oh yeah they are soo good that for some reason I always get blasted in head-on by aim9l, cope harder to nato bot clown

[@Ming-Chan]

@@atvkid0805 lol you're pathetic if you get killed by an aim-9L. You either let them get too close for your countermeasures to start becoming effective or you're just oblivious. Cope harder with your belief that Gaijin makes Nato aircraft and weapons strong, more like you're so bad that even they can kill you.

[@atvkid0805]

gives f15 super manuever flight model and nerfs su27 bc you crybaby clowns@@Ming-Chan

[@TimsVariety]

Lets keep it friendly, folks. This isn't a toxic drama/trolling channel.

[@atvkid0805]

they blatantly buff F15 & nerf SU27 bc Nato crybaby clowns@@TimsVariety

[@RippleEffect420]

Love your videos but the Python 3's going Mach 3.5 that's 1.0 Mach faster than the R-73's pulling the same G force.

[@ferrous3262]

yea but pythons are worse close range and have less flare resisitance

[@sanmiguel4774]

R73 facks with youre pytons

[@curgest6807]

Suiiiiiii

[@tristankauffman66]

👌

[@ssd3337]

in warthunder timeline, Soviet jets are missile busses, while nato jets are close dfighter

[@sidchicken2308]

So the US gets the F-15 as it was introduced in 1975 and the Russian “equivalent” is 10 years newer. Seems legit. I hate to harp on this, but the problem here is that the weapons technology for the F-15 is still based on 1975, while the Russian missiles are from the 80’s. This does not feel balanced.

[@atvkid0805]

crybaby

[@worldoftancraft]

Guy, your suffering Griät Britajn gets 2027 tank. After enjoying your bullpups for four years without anything remotely the same from sovêt tree, which fits definition of "abuse", i don't want to look at those pitiful whines. we all have something to complain about.

[@RienRocks]

As I was watching this I said to crash if I’m gay then 8 people Crashed bruh

[@hammerr]

Hey Tim, its pronounced like ERST, not I R S T

[@voke4553]

Why would it be pronounced with an E when the letter I is for Infared

[@hammerr]

@@voke4553 irst and erst are pronounced the same. I just used to E to show that the word was pronounced

[@TerLoki]

F-15: I swear to God, once I get AMRAAMs I'm going to make you obsolete SO FAST!

[@Panocek]

Su-27 2.0 with R-77: privet

[@lemangeur2poulet248]

Irl r27 ea eat amraam alive but ok R77 is more comparable.

[@worldoftancraft]

​@@Panocekwhy you write "soviet" with IE, "nyet" with YE and "privet" with E?

[@Storlans]

Best radar. Best Missiles. One of the best dogfighters.... Extremly strong engines that dont use fuel Sure......... Russian bias at its best.

[@worldoftancraft]

Mistêr witnesses of Russian bias, mind you explain how it happened that Russian Bias didn't see any analogue of NORD/BULLPUP from carrier F86 and G91 for FOUR years? Russian bias you call it? Rectal abuse of ground for 4 years. Good definition.

[@atvkid0805]

oh yeah "strong" clown, that's why they buffed f15 and nerfed su27 you clown nato bots

[@robreinbrecht2093]

I'd sell my soul for germany to somehow get access to a variant of the su27. I know its not accurate historically, but the mig 29g went from one of, if not the best plane to garbage in one update

[@wolftooth6678]

No. Germany never operated a Su27 and dosn't need one. They already have the best MiG29 in the game.

[@icantsleepman]

The G is far from garbage. Talk about the original MiG-29's, and I'd agree with you

[@piscessoedroen]

not even poland or argentina operate Su-27

[@worldoftancraft]

yes, guv, bring even more Land Lease to the greatest Land Lease nation. Jorman, Sovêt, US, French and Italian vehicles in one tree. What a great child of multiculturalism!

[@nagykiss6020]

Quote from you : the top tier meta is a disaster....and you never adress this on lenght, you never criticized gayjin, therfore you have no spine, therefore your words is weightless......

[@TimsVariety]

... are you new here? (Thats an honest question) A - a ranty gripe about the air RB meta is beyond the scope of an individual vehicle review B - I put out half a dozen videos a few months ago during the height of the player reviewbomb calling out gaijin's BS.

[@wonkagaming8750]

02:21 is that the indonesian air force skin?

[@TimsVariety]

Yep!

[@wonkagaming8750]

@@TimsVariety pog

[@alvinhakiki8122]

Yea thats indonesian su27 tni au

[@cannonfodder4376]

If previous Soviet aircraft were criticized for having too little fuel, the Flanker simply went the opposite route. In a hypothetical alternative hustory where the East Germans got the Flanker, a reunification..I am sure the Luftwaffe would have held on to and upgraded them far more than their Fulcrums. A gorgeous bird. 😍

[@black_thunder2159]

I wasnt expecting the jet to have Indonesian Air Force paint job on it at 2:16 Thank you for showcasing, my Indonesian friends would love to see it & I will definitely use your videos for it! I think only you showcases skins like this, its very helpful.

[@jezzat3778]

My current longest kill with a 27er in a live match is 45km at launch. Idk what that means for the stat card but in the ideal conditions this missile is broken

[@atvkid0805]

Radar missiles are easy to avoid, just fly the opposite direction

[@NCSiebertdesign]

Distance depends on altitude. Higher the altitude, longer the missile flight time and distance. Same for speed. The stat card value are absolute. Same for jet top speed for example.

[@lemangeur2poulet248]

It isn’t possible to score a 100km kill with it. Even if it had the max speed at launch, the guidance time wouldn’t be enough.

[@TimsVariety]

45km is totally do-able against a head-on opponent who doesn't evade (caught off guard, not paying attention, doesnt know how, etc). The listed range on the statcard is more an indication of the missile's total energy than its actual engagement range - I go into more detail about it in my guide to air to air missiles.

[@jezzat3778]

@@TimsVariety theres not much the opponent can do though, I launch then break lock for 20 seconds and as long as i shot in roughly the right direction i get a hit 1 in 5 times id say. Not the best conversion rate but for a sar acting as a phoenix i cant complain

[@alaskan_bigfoot9090]

great video, but man seeing the current missle performance makes me glad i gave up on top tier awhile back, i can only imagine matches are down to 3 minutes by now.

[@shinobu2394]

man i feel so dirty playing this plane right now, when i unlocked the r27er within an hour I had back to back 7 kill games then back to back 3 kill games then the next game is when i finally got shot down but not before taking 2 with me. fucking crazy

[@danielending3381]

Hi, i would like to ask you. Which do you prefer before the other? F14 , F15 or F16? By the way amazing video as always

[@TimsVariety]

Me personally, probably the F-14, but all perform great in-game.

[@danielending3381]

@@TimsVariety thx, as a Top Gun fan i like your opinion 👍

[@darrellhartanto4428]

Love that China got this, along with 8F and JH 7A

[@bobtheshark4789]

When will we se the su35

[@DieErsteKartoffel]

Just got this plane yesterday and got in ace in 6 games. Maybe it should be at 12.7

[@SteffenCHerry]

Op asf not fair against stock f16a