Su27 Cobra Manuevre

Su27 demonstrating the Cobra close air combat maneuvre.

[@magnetictheory]

There are actually three different aircraft in this video: Su-27, Su-33, and MiG-29.

[@RaveSharrma]

Not su 33 but su 30

[@MatalinoMSiraj]

@@RaveSharrma pretty sure it's an su33, small wings stabilizer beside the cockpit

[@meaningless5898]

@@MatalinoMSiraj su33 was naval version, wich mean larger wings area.

[@casnub5484]

@@MatalinoMSiraj the su 30 had the canards too.. but i think the one in the video was Su-33 Flanker/Su-37 Terminator

[@esotericyetti327]

The cobra maneuver can be done in several different jets.

[@JamesBoddie]

Maverick: “I'm gonna hit the brakes. He'll fly right by.”

[@livingonadollar2882]

Goose - The defense department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid Maverick - Talk to me Goose ! Goose: "It's time for the big one Viper: Goose is dead Goose. Jester: "That was some of the best flying I've seen to date - right up to the part where you got killed. Goose - Charlie: "Are you a good pilot?" Maverick: "Jesus Christ, and you think I'm reckless? When I fly, I'll have you know that my crew and my plane come first." Viper: Goose is dead Goose -

[@АлександрКоновцев-д7ъ]

Да, для этого в кабине пилота есть специальная ручка, называется стоп кран. В поезде она красного цвета, а в самолёте синего)))... Yes, for this there is a special handle in the cockpit, called a stop crane. On the train it is red, and on the plane blue))) ...

[@grzyb11]

I remember that top gun scene

[@osamabinladen824]

LOL

[@michaelJpurp]

Took the words right out of my mouth!

[@bootybandit474]

"can only be done in their SU-27 jets" *shows SU-33 doing cobra*

[@theTutenstien]

Su-33 is basicly su-27 with canards

[@Stormidze]

he said su-27 family. means all flankers Also Su-33 is a renamed of SU-27K

[@shahbazahmad-ud6kj]

Su-33 is basically a Su-27 class plane.

[@theTutenstien]

@@shahbazahmad-ud6kj yes kind of. Su 30-33-34-35 and all of its varients are based of su-27

[@koekiejam18]

Its most likely an SU-30, the tailpipe on the SU-33 is considerably smaller.

[@ohf3594]

This is what happened in Battlefield 3's "Going Hunting" mission. I've tried to replicate it in some Sims but I didn't know it was exclusive to the Sukhoi 27, hence my failures. A very cool maneuver.

[@GTChucker86]

There are only TWO genders officially only Mig 29 or Sukhoi 27 class of fighters can do the cobra manuever. The F22 can do it in theory and probably the only fighter from the west capable of doing it but it has never been officially done. Even until now the F22’s true dogfight capabilties have been classified by lockheed so its still an on going debate wether it can go toe to toe with a Sukhoi in an intense dogfight. The west relies more on BVR (beyond visual range) capabilities rather than dogfighting capabilities, the F16 was the last true western aircraft to be designed around close dogfighting

[@Galf506]

It's a matter of allowing the flight computer to do it and to have an unstable aircraft. The Eurofighter can surely do it too, it's just not allowed by software. The cobra looks cool, but it's a one shot at victory, if you lose all your speed you become a giant target.

[@ixamplify5698]

@@GTChucker86 f-22 has done the cobra. All you have to do is look up on youtube "F-22 cobra" and the SAAB draken 35 done it in the 1970's way before the russians by using their delta wing stability and pitching the nose up to a high 90 degrees attitude. 2D thrust vectoring helps and is what the mig-29, su-27 and F-22 use. While the modern SU-35 and SU-57 AL41F engines use 3D thrust vectoring. Ive seen an F-18 do a cobra manuver (look up on youtube) basically, thrust vectoring is NOT necessary for a cobra manuver .

[@hoilst]

You wanna know what other aircraft can do it? The Saab Draken. That's scary to watch.

[@xYoshiLP.]

3 Planes actually Su-27 SU-33 (did it in DCS) and MiG-29 officially if you play WarThunder tho the Yak-38M can do it very easiely

[@lege46]

“It’s something we normally don’t in the west” he means can’t

[@rubenlopez3364]

F22 can

[@lege46]

Ruben Lopez not a true one

[@aniketsharma3154]

@@rubenlopez3364 western fighter aircraft don't have enough power to do this

[@aaronwernz5788]

ANIKET SHARMA Why would they need to make a aircraft that could do this? They would have already blown the Russian aircraft out of the sky before the Russian even new they were there, so I suppose they could have made a more powerful aircraft so they could do some aerobatic tricks to celebrate as they watch the Russian aircraft fall to the earth in flames but I think that would be wasteful don’t you?

[@aaronwernz5788]

Mohammed Fahd it might have some to do with pilot skill but I am pretty sure it it safe to say the vast majority of pilots if given the choice would choose a F35 or F22 if they we’re going into battle, to say otherwise is just propaganda and wishful thinking. In the real world money does buy better equipment, right or wrong it’s just a fact of life. If you go up against the f35 or f22 you are going to have to have a vast numerical superiority or you will lose.

[@Hairysteed]

"When I hit the brakes he'll fly right by!" Russians have been watching too much Top Gun

[@shubhamparmar179]

top gun learned from Russia

[@tonyrun5802]

It was my feeling all along

[@tonyrun5802]

@@shubhamparmar179 if we want to get into details, the first known cobra was performed in 1989 at Ls Bourget Paris Air Show, which is three years circa after Top Gun.

[@shubhamparmar179]

@@tonyrun5802 You funny guy think first it was done in movie then in actual life

[@tonyrun5802]

@@shubhamparmar179 I didn't say that

[@ghazou666]

My god! Such a beautiful plane....

[@DANNY40379]

Su is the sexiest thing in the skies

[@lethall6609]

@@DANNY40379 yessir!

[@glockt3ch968]

@@DANNY40379 f-16

[@cspace1234nz]

@@glockt3ch968 F22

[@glockt3ch968]

@@cspace1234nz 😒🤢

[@tordkarl]

Swedish fighter pilots did that maneuver with the SAAB J35 Draken as early as in the sixties. I know it because I was one of them.

[@G4MBIT]

When did Swedes fight?

[@tordkarl]

@@G4MBIT, in Congo in the sixties with the UN.

[@No-wayjose0]

Would you be able to or interested in sharing some of what you did? People want to know your story

[@neileapenninan8706]

Dayum Man!

[@Miles26545]

Respect

[@Hunior.]

When Battlefield 4 jet ramming becomes useful in real life too lol 1:47

[@spitfire_flyer5659]

Nub tactic in warthunder (Or when u run out of ammo)

@@spitfire_flyer5659 Lol. Or when youre both too fast and commited on doing a headon :D

[@thefistofshadow7392]

i once kill a friend of mine in the enemy team by ramming him from behind and even got the kill, without a lot of damage on my jet Lol

[@reedy_9619]

@@spitfire_flyer5659 if you do it smart you might even survive (hitting the prop or canopy)

[@Pixelify]

I've piloted the Eurofighter Typhoon for more than 4 years, my uncle was the original test pilot for the Eurofighter Typhoon. I can assure you with absolute certainty, Thrust Vectoring (whilst it goes a long way towards minimising the risk) means nothing in terms of the "Cobra Manoeuvre" - I have more than 56 variables aspect CPU systems controlling my aircraft and i can indeed perform the infamous "Cobra Manoeuvre" with ease, however it is rarely effective in any real life dog fight scenario.

[@RETMTM]

Pixelify how many real dog fights have you really been in...? I think the point is that the Russians train for something you've never experienced. Hence why they would be the 'rarely successful' successor

[@Kev621]

Steve Damn bro...that was hard. 👍👍

[@RETMTM]

Kevin Anderson was it as good for you as Steve enjoyed it 😂

[@RETMTM]

Steve what did you do to Kevin? 😂

[@amoslukyaa5792]

@@karlchilders5420 You seem to talk about USA catastrophic losses and humiliation in Viet Nam war if you think 20,500 USA flying machine shot down by Russian air defense systems and MiGs do not matter to you/USA go on ridiculing Russian air Defense systems and their military flying machines should WW3 break out USA flying machine won't survive a month under latest Russian SAMs, Sukhois, MiGs and Man pad.

[@OldschoolDJ_Gerd]

seen them do it on airshows, it's incredible to see !

[@coolfungame8467]

Hey person 9 years ago

[@milandjuric1257]

@@coolfungame8467 hey person 5 months ago

[@aleksa3025]

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[@collectibletaco7797]

@@aleksa3025 Hey person 1 month ago

[@mrrexychomp9829]

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[@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU]

Deliberately ramming enemy airplane.. Yep pretty much what you do in flight sims from time to time :D

[@BGSGBF]

“A ram - the weapon of a hero” Slogan of Soviet’s WWII pilots. No joke.

[@killingyouwithlogic5808]

FOX 4

[@aeiou6410]

I've actually discovered something. This maneuver was actually invented in Sweden. Here: In Sweden the cobra was first performed with the fighter ''Draken'' around 1961 - 1963 right? Today Pugachev is about 74 years old and retired. Taking year 2022 (today) minus his current age (2022 - 74) takes us back to the year of his birth which was year 1948. Now if we add 18 (age) to it we will go up to 1966 which is beyond the years of the cobra by the Draken in Sweden meaning that it would've been impossible for Pugachev to have performed the maneuver at the age of 15. This proves that the cobra maneuver was actually made in Sweden and not in Russia.

[@ferrous3262]

yea but sweden isnt cool

[@aeiou6410]

@@ferrous3262 Aight

[@prashanthb6521]

A split second cobra is different from an all encompassing and all consuming range of death defying maneuvers. Hence Su27 is the origin !

[@Fiztex553]

Understanding BFM I call this BS, even though I'm a Russian myself. It is a kind of useful maneuver in a horizontal plane in a fox-2 1-circle fight after merge (nose to nose fight with IR missiles), but utterly useless in any other case. Still, it's not a magic trick as if you fail to kill after the first turn (e.g. your missile eat flares which often happen in a nose-to-nose fights) you are at a tremendous disadvantage because you are out of speed (you've just lost all of your speed for one turn). Enemy seeing that you are out of speed will just go vertical (you can't follow him, can't even point the nose to him), which resets the fight with you tremendously handicapped and eventually you are dead. This has been proven countless times in simulations, but people still believe this suicide maneuver worth something besides an airshow feat. And anyone who seriously thinks that this will help in a gunfight watched too much Top Gun 😂 IRL this will only simplify a gun kill for the attacker tremendously. P.S. I'm pretty sure Leonid in the video being a great pilot knows this too, but he couldn't tell the truth for some reason (e.g. being in a military and asked to explain the maneuver).

[@Fiztex553]

@RJ RJ I'm not sure you understand how modern flight combat works. Why would someone go into a merge while still having fox 3s you've mentioned here? The only reasonable one in your list is 9x, but still it is prone to flares in nose to nose fight, as I said before. Mid range fox 3s are not maneuverable enough to be effective in a close range one circle fight. Indeed a high maneuverability of the jet would be important to jam the WEZ (stay too close to not allow enemy to effectively fire a fox 2 at you), but the cobra itself would be only a part of it, just sort of "break pedal" to slow down near the bandit and keep pointing the nose at him with a thrust vectoring. One could do a hammerhead or some other maneuver with the same effect.. thrust vectoring is the key, not the cobra itself. IRL merges don't happen any more, the weapons you've mentioned are being fired while BVR taking in account the MAR and if no one was hit and everyone run out of missiles normal pilots just turn around and go home, because merge is a very risky thing which rarely worth it.. it's called a "knife fight" for a reason

[@Fiztex553]

@RJ RJ Which circumstances? And yes, anyone should be facepalming after reading the post you wrote, glad you did it for me. Knowing the names of the missiles is one thing, but understanding how they are being used is another, which you've shown you have no idea about. Your comment didn't make any sense, hence my reply to you. These weapons were created to never ever have a need to use cobra-like maneuvers in a fight, and you somehow connected them together.

[@whoooshifg5830]

Gahh damn this some good argument

[@Fiztex553]

@RJ RJWow, so many talking to yourself since I've left to sleep. Sorry man, but you are too rude, obviously not a good teacher. Maybe only at best circumstances 😉 Hope to see some day how anyone would try to counter a fox 3 with a cobra, or explain me why would they go with these missiles in a dogfight at all.. to pull cobra in these "best circumstances"? Maybe you can do such a video in DCS since you are such an expert in this? Meanwhile I'll go check my literacy, if you don't mind, nice talking to you!

[@Argosh]

@RJ RJ "but it works in DCS" should be a statement punishable by death. It's like telling a NASA engineer that it worked in KSP. Dear God, you made me agree with a Russian... "The Cobra" is a high risk high reward maneuver that will get you killed 9 out of 10 times and only lead to a kill in 1 out of 20 attempts or worse. The reason you see it in DCS is that you can respawn in that game. In case you hadn't heard, there is no respawn mechanic in real life. The merge is dead. It's as dead as WW2 dogfighting. BVR rules supreme and between the Meteor, the AIM-120 and the AIM-260 it is never coming back. Almost the only reason modern jets need maneuverability is to generate misses against missiles. We practice the merge for the same reasons soldiers practice hand to hand combat. It teaches control, familiarizes with the aircrafts reactions in a wide variety of speeds and loads and it may come in handy in that one in ten thousand bad luck run...

[@thomaskolb8785]

Done by the Swedish Air Force, 30 years before Pugachov. It was called “kort parad” and every J-35 Draken pilot was trained in it.

[@user-ro4cu7om2g]

correct happen 30 years earlier in Swedish homemade secondhand Hollywood imaginary movie 👍

[@thomaskolb8785]

@@user-ro4cu7om2g Nope. It was taught to all pilots primarily as a method to get out of superstall. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKLMdXiZm7ihjtU

[@politicallyincorrect4452]

@@user-ro4cu7om2g sounds like a typical Russian state made propaganda film, thanks for the heads up Russian ork....lmfao

[@deildegast]

​@@user-ro4cu7om2g There are official videos for this. Of course, the "cobra" being Russian it had to be copied from somewhere.

[@СлаваССС-м4с]

@@politicallyincorrect4452 said king ork.himself trolling comments. Boohoo the Russian's have done something and western bukkake boys are sour.

[@AVIATIONANDTECHNOLOGY]

i like both russian and us technology but if i had the choice between the f15 and su 27 i choose the su 27

[@bjjace1]

LOL

[@ГаврилоПринцип-и7ф]

I'd choose the Su-27 body and engine with F-15 radar, communication and aiming technology.

[@trap3400]

Su-27 body + F-15 radar = Su-30 with N011M BARS

[@hac3359]

Jesus was a Sausage, Lol so true.Their head is always up their arse

[@mustafehusen8693]

I would take Su27 more light weight f15 has awesome avionics

[@nottherealpaulsmith]

0:55 Not true. The first aircraft to pull a cobra maneuver was the Saab 35 Draken. During the Arab-Israeli wars in the 60s and 70s, the Syrians frequently pulled cobras in MiG-21s, and the move was later seen being performed by Pakistani and Egyptian F-7s (the Chinese derivative of the MiG-21). The Soviets actually learned it from the Egyptians, according to urban legend. That is when it gained Comrade Pugachev's name.

[@olssong7941]

Did you listen?

[@brandona7526]

I remember watching another clip years ago where a reporter was asking what a US pilot would do if he saw an enemy perform a successful cobra in aerial combat. And his response was just “I would immediately eject”. Just the bluntness of his response made the move seem even more badass. That a senior pilot would just instantly know he’s outmatched and bail.

[@Rogue_Nine416]

these guys are also Air Force, which does not train for dogfighting had these guys been US Navy, you'd have probably received a different answer

[@glintongordon6811]

@@Rogue_Nine416 it doesn't matter who the results will remain the same.

[@asquare9316]

I bet that pilot was being sarcastic and was holding back a laugh.

[@Rogue_Nine416]

@@glintongordon6811 ok buddy just ignore the navy has been training for dogfighting for the last 50 years and has shown major success in that field

[@glintongordon6811]

@@Rogue_Nine416 literally ask any airman in any army. How much dogfight training do they do? Especially with the new high-tech jets? Most of them are barely even equipped for it the f35 equip less than 200 bullets and that is because they have had battles where they were cornered and didn't have any guns on their planes. A popular talking point among them is that the age of dogfights is over.

[@MyFavoriteDisease]

The effectiveness of the Cobra manoeuvre in an actual dogfight has been subject of dispute, but in any case it goes to show the emphasis on manoeuverability the Russians have always put on their fighter aircraft.

[@hk-4738]

Bruh, the swedes were the first to pull off this maneuver in a Saab J-35 Draken. In Sweden we call it "Kort Parad" ("Short Parade") and the only reason the Russians learned it may have been because Swedish pilots used it to troll the fuck out of Soviet MiG-21s flying over the Baltic sea.

[@8Fist]

Yep, that is true, also, mirage IIIs can do it, u happen to know if the frence does it?

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

@@8Fist ... if the French* (= people from France') do* it.

[@shillsbtfo4612]

No they weren’t.

[@thehover6824]

@@shillsbtfo4612 yes the draken was the first.

[@myrtlevilleace]

@EduEnYT "Do you hear that Mr Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability...that is the sound of your death..." "I don't hear anything!" *R-77 goes ACTIVE* ...ahhh... "Goodbye, Mr Anderson."

[@Tosca_666]

My mame Is...Neo!

[@Gunmonkey5]

The real question is…… can they go inverted?

[@edrap4661]

"It can only be done on a Su-27" The Draken wants a Talk.

[@ESPirits87]

Yeah alot of planes can do super stall, it's just russsians think they're best at everything.

[@namne3]

Made me mad lol

[@imperialenforcer2271]

Syrian pilot did it on a MiG-21

[@thatguy7990]

Show me a vid of it I'm curious + I'm not even sure if u can compare the draken with the su27

[@ricepresident2990]

“It’s a nice move, I’ll give you that. But the Kobra Maneuver gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever.”

[@Riftzen]

"can only be done in their SU-27 jets" Invented by the swedes using J35 "Kort parad"

[@annoymouse890]

Key word: their Russian air force has no j35s

[@IGNACY-fp8zo]

@@annoymouse890 Dozens of aircraft can do it

[@odens_viking231]

@@annoymouse890 bro what 💀💀

[@annoymouse890]

@@IGNACY-fp8zo yeah but he means only the su27s in THEIR air force can do it because they don't have any other planes that can

[@lukiluki994]

We Swedes did this 20 years before the Russians lol...

[@wanblues1968]

Anyone knows full version of this clip... I would very thankful to watch full documentary about this plane☺️

[@Racerxwilly]

Pretty sure it's from an old "Blue Angels" documentary when they go to Russia after the fall of the wall and get to ride with a Russian flight demo/fighter squadron, then give the Russians a ride. Funny how the top echelon of pilots that trained for years to kill each other in combat become old pals soon as you take politics out of it.

[@TheSkunkyMonk]

@@Racerxwilly Because deep down they probably all just want to have fun and go fast

[@cameronmoore7675]

​@@Racerxwilly It makes sense. They're all world class in a group that's already extremely small and elite. They share exemplary talent, dedication, and passion for what they do. It's only natural for them to relate and respect each other, because there aren't that many people who _can_ relate to them in that way. Here's to hoping political climate doesn't pit them against each other.

[@channelthefire2745]

the documentary is called "top gun over moscow"

[@Electricfox]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKq0pHineqxmoqc

[@MrJosse1965]

The swedish pilots was first to do ”Cobra” maneuver, with their Saab draken.

[@xYoshiLP.]

it's different to Pugachevs tho ;)

[@divinesan7786]

It is more like a something forgot it is called. Like during the training

[@rebelblade7159]

@@divinesan7786 super stall I think.

[@divinesan7786]

@@rebelblade7159 yeah yeah yeah, that one.

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Release the darken!

[@thomaz851]

Doing it to get behind the enemy's fighter would make the flanker too slow and vulnerable and wouldn't really guarantee a kill as the other fighter would have way more energy to change the situation it wouldn't just keep flying straight to get killed. But doing cobras to get a higher AOA in specific situations to fire a fox-2 for example that would give it a good advantage.

[@einar8019]

you dont need to do a cobra to get the nose on target especially if you have a HMD

[@RecklesslyPessimistic]

You're assuming the flanker would only have guns, when in reality the flanker has high off boresight IR missiles and a helmet mounted HUD, so lower speed isn't necessarily an issue. The cobra can also be used to force an overshoot. it's a niche maneuver, but it does have its combat uses.

[@thomaz851]

@@RecklesslyPessimistic Yes that was my point I just felt he is assuming it's only about getting behind the other fighter to gun it

[@FalconKPD]

@Ouija121085 You don't need thrust vectoring to perform cobras to begin with. As much as it helps, it's not necessary. Even the Swedish Saab Draken can do a cobra.

[@potatopower707]

A better example of this is the su-27...

[@snakeinthegrak8969]

Great way to present the guy behind you with a much larger gun target.

[@philipperenwart4053]

The first cobra manoeuvre was performed by the SAAB Draken which perfected it.

[@killingyouwithlogic5808]

Not to mention actually looks like a cobra when done unlike the rest!

[@y_bandit]

Nah su 30 looks the best im not gonna lie

[@BlackSkull1984]

everybody gangsta until they do the skills of Mihaly

[@ncromncr9327]

The dislike is from a plane that cannot perfome cobra

[@thetreejet6149]

Russians: only the su 27 can do the cobra maneuver. Saab draken: am I a joke to u

[@fablewalls]

So does the "Cobra" make a plane vulnerable or not when it does the Cobra? It's a cool maneouvre but looks like (I'm no flyboy) it takes all your speed away and leaves you flying slow. Mind you - the cobra pretty much demonstrates that the aircraft can do a whole range of other things not publicised.

[@spamcan9208]

That's what I was wondering too. I thought you wanted to maintain your momentum as much as possible.

[@startingbark0356]

Isnt speed useless these days tho ? It can use counter measures if it suddenly turns to the other side so it basically isnt a bad thing

[@brainandforce]

It does cause massive energy loss, which is bad, but can open up more firing angles. It's not a standard combat maneuver, and it can be misused easily, but in the right situation it can work.

[@zacharyradford5552]

It could be useful in a very very specific situation it’s not an everyday tactic to rely on.

[@10percenttrue]

Interesting commentary in the video. Some observations: the Swedes were doing the Cobra in the J35s before the Su-27 existed (kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKLMdXiZm7ihjtU) and Soviet-bloc pilots certainly did appear as unimaginative compared to their western counterparts simply because of the doctrinal differences in the way they were going to fight.

[@Zeitgeist_Dron]

Bit different. Does not maintain high angle if attack forore than a split second. The su 27 flies at high angle for a much longer time. But similar

[@10percenttrue]

@@Zeitgeist_Dron agreed. But while the Su-27 remains in the high alpha state for longer, I am not sure that’s a good thing…

[@Foxtrot_India]

@@10percenttrue 2×135-145 kN thrust is enough to overcome stalling

[@AndrewTubbiolo]

"Top Gun Over Moscow". Nova ~1988 during Peristroika. The USSR had only shown the Mig-29 and Su-27 to the rest of the world two years earlier.

[@stevecarlisle3323]

FLANKERS came to NA in 1989 at Abbottsford AirShow. En route from Moscow, they had a re fueling stop at Elmendorf Airbase Alaska.

[@HappiKarafuru]

Limitation of the maneuver - it losing it energy quickly as it have to dexcelerate, by the time the enemy is passing, they already been seperate about 100 ft. Not sure if the attacker can use high yoyo to take the fight into vertical, someone did mention it could counter the cobra maneuver with that Note that F/A 18 Super Hornet also start to perfecting their makeshift Half cobra maneuver at the cause of losing the angle of attack.

[@GTChucker86]

Jay Rilley thats why most russian dogfight tactics are too stay in a lower altitude to bait the enemy to dive into them to either level to playing field or to give the russians the upper hand. Since most russian munitions dont have the same effective range as the BVR systems from the west

[@mrxceltv]

The Cobra is really a last ditch effort, one loses all energy and the aircraft becomes a big paper weight, however it could work. There's ways to always counter a Cobra

[@5xls]

It's nice to see Jeff Ethell again 0:16.

[@whereisthehook]

Yes God rest him.

[@whereisthehook]

@Dick Trickles are you mocking the fact that he died in one or are you simply expressing interest?

[@whereisthehook]

@Dick Trickles Ouch.

[@MegaGronis]

first airplane to do the Cobra maneuver was J35 Draken in the early 60s. Best fighter jet ever.

[@ryanadel7261]

Could someone please tell me what is the name of this documentary?

[@MrLucky3576]

NOVA Top Gun Over Moscow, I saw and recorded this series on VHS in the 90s.

[@josewilderpatinoalzate5135]

Genial maquina de Guerra y que maniobras uffff wowwww 💪💪💪💪💯💯💯💯👍👍👍

[@myrtlevilleace]

Any idea what this documentary is called? I'm always catching snippets of it around KZbin.

[@blue387]

This is "Top Gun over Moscow" by NOVA on PBS

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

The reason the US doesn't make planes that can make high-alpha maneuvers is not because they can't. After all, they built the F-15S/MTD and the F/A-18 HARV precisely to study the feasibility of supermaneuverable aircrafts. They found precisely from those experimental planes that high-alpha maneuvers bleed too much speed to be practical in combat, as they induce zero-G states that make the plane stand still in the air, and obviously that's a death sentence in a conventional dogfight. The other factor is the development of BVR air-to-air missiles, capable of ending an aerial threat without the need of merging in a dogfight, and the use of stealth technology. Only in recent years have other countries developed their own airframes and weapons capable of that form of combat, but in the meantime, Russia mainly, has included these principles in their fighter design due to the lack of effective long range air-to-air missile technology. One thing the Russians have, however, is very good fly-by-wire technology, that allows them to build purposefully unstable aircrafts like those in the Flanker family (Su-27, Su-33, Su-35 mainly) and make them fly without loss of control. The only plane in service of the US armed forces to include the principles of supermaneuverability (that's a lotta syllables) in its design is the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. The US has everything they need to build such aircrafts, like fly-by-wire, thrust vectoring engines, etc. They reason they chose not to is because that kind of plane does not align with their combat doctrine. Same thing for the Russians. They built a plane that supports their combat doctrine, but that doctrine may change now that we see new airframes like the Su-57 and new developments in missile technology.

[@xSupra]

Yep. Not the smartest idea to dump all of your energy very quickly in a dogfight if it ever came down to it

[@zacharyradford5552]

It’s also why US hasn’t shot down any planes in air to air. The last American “ace” only shot down 3 planes you need five to be an ace. That’s also tied for the most by a US pilot since Vietnam war.

[@f18murderhornet]

@@zacharyradford5552 "It’s also why US hasn’t shot down any planes in air to air" the US has 39 confirmed air to air kills in the gulf war, and 9 kills since 1992-2017.

[@alexanderjason434]

@@xSupra not if you plan it to fall behind your enemy. Greetings former Airforce

[@Late9488]

Thank you youtube recommendations.

[@kevindubose6964]

You will wear out a set of brakes really fast doing this!!

[@maksim9863]

This is from documentary series "Warplane A century of fight and flight"

[@tdennebaum]

In reality there would probably be very few times where that manuever could be used effectively in real life combat. maybe in a movie or something!

[@heyokaikaggen6288]

True but it looks exceptionally cool and that's really the point of it.

[@Acrophobia2]

Also if you do it and fail to kill the enemy you are dead…

[@fdght3906]

@@Acrophobia2 this maneuver is meant for situations, where you`ll die if you don`t do it (enemy is behind you, and is coming closer (which means he has more energy)). so... i can`t fully understand what exactly you mean. however i agree that this maneuver

[@Acrophobia2]

@@fdght3906 if you do the cobra at the wrong airspeed, it will rip the planes wings off. Additionally you lose all of your energy so if you don’t kill the plane chasing you it will come around and kill you

[@peterparkeer6265]

Any idea about full video link... Or which documentary???

[@gizioegidi5373]

When you dogfight with a Su-27, you know that it is going to do the cobra, but you can't know when it will do!

[@SonKunSama]

So relatable

[@the-lag-gamerita5446]

Nah,they aren't going to.

[@the-lag-gamerita5446]

Nah,they aren't going to.

[@Thetequilashooter1]

Not so. In real combat the last thing you want to do is lose so much energy, and it’s rare that there are one versus one fights. Plus, today’s pilots don’t have to get on the tail anymore to shoot down an aircraft as missiles today can be shot from almost any angle.

[@NANOG-P8]

if the su 27 or any aircraft for that matter does a cobra it is dead just straight up dead

[@Boeing7.4.7]

I actually once did that in PTFS when I was close to a passenger jet

[@TheHawk1202]

The Saab Drakken could pull the cobra before the Mig 29 even existed

[@prashanthb6521]

Only for a split second.

[@saeedabdelqader1935]

What good is this maneuver, how does it help in the fights , when two jets are fighting in the air . Does this maneuver helps in any way .

[@glintongordon6811]

Yes it gets you behind the enemy quickly. And that's the biggest advantage

[@Noorthia]

@@glintongordon6811 If an enemy jet is behind you in modern combat, the difference is kilometers, not a few hundred meters. Modern aircraft guns would shred an idiot doing a cobra.

[@LocalDeepstateAgent]

Small issue, during all named wars at the start of the video, AAMs werent exactly advanced enough to be deemed viable in air to air combat hence why aircraft still often shot each other down with their mounted guns. The SU27, SU33s and even MiG-29s which were shown in this video however, are all from a time period in which AAMs have become advanced enough to completely invalidate the use of a main gun or mounted guns. So these maneuvers are practically useless, they wont help you dodge a AAM and they certainly wont help you get past an enemy jet get behind him and shoot him down cosidering he will be anywere between 20km-30km far away firing his medium to short distance AAMs considering even something like the AIM-54 phoenix which is a 1974 put in service AAM can fly up to a max distance of 190km (118 miles).

[@kilo276]

there will always eventually be occasions when jets will get close enough to each other where a dogfight is inevitable

[@bigbazar5226]

@@kilo276 Alright so losing all your energy and becoming a sitting duck is the move you'll want to go with? lmao have fun getting shot down

[@karaluv_ravenovich]

The same things were saying us generals before the Vietnam War - creating new heavy jet fighter without a gun... But then they have brought it back

[@LocalDeepstateAgent]

@@karaluv_ravenovich Damn almost as if you have literally read what ive said, also your "heavy jets" werent build without a gun because muh AAMs but because they were essentially second generation jets as strike aircraft that were accompanied by dedicated ASFs for air to air combat whilst bombing the shit out of ground forces. None of such jets were used in the vietnam war btw. so not sure why you even bring that up.

[@LocalDeepstateAgent]

@@kilo276 Yeah nah chief. Any air engagement between this and todays generation of jets wont happen close enough to even reach your target with any sort of canon even if both planes were flying slow and perfectly in line. Nowdays youll lock onto eachother, fire your missile(s) and turn whilst flaring to try and loose the lock of what ever has been fired at you. Very rarely you even get close enough to fire short range AAMs hence why modern jets only carry around 2 with the rest being medium and long ringe AAMs.

[@ultralaggerREV1]

Also, how do they do this maneuver exactly? What has to be the speed and how do I need to control the joystick and brakes to do this?

[@duskedradiance4165]

imi wakannai

[@heinrichh.3369]

A real fighter pilot is ALWAYS ready to engage without using beyond visual range weapons. Weapons that are used by the F-22 and the F-35. A pilot who concentrates on using a gun funnel instead of BVR missiles, that's a true, hardcore fighter pilot that can get the job done and come out on top.

[@hvhhvvggg8663]

Yes and in his pursuit to use guns on another plane a bvr missile will knock him out

[@alexanderjason434]

@@hvhhvvggg8663 well an dog fight is not an computer game you haven’t dozen’s of missiles & an well trained pilot can easily block all 6-8 missiles nowadays & then you ONLY have the Gatling Gun or else you’re done if you’re just counting on faraway missiles & systems. Be an survivor be an SkyRambo. The Gatlin is your knive Son. I was in the Airforce before my college time.

[@Boredoutofmywits]

The main use of the Cobra maneuver was showing off the Sukhoi's capabilities in places like the Le bourget Air show... Ah, the cold war was in some ways the cool war..

[@rugbynimbus]

Pitch up at an angle you can't fire from. Dump all your energy. Pray the pursuing plane's wingman is asleep. Looks neat though.

[@goldiecastilla9991]

Great Video! Love it!

[@anasfrh]

Do we have evidence if this manœuvre was ever tested in a real combat situation? Looks pretty nice in airshows but I am highly skeptical that it would be effective.

[@ayaansalman2691]

I can't believe this was from 13 years ago

[@StarwarsHalofreak]

1:31 I would be hoping my adversary's wingmate doesn't have a rocket spiraling towards me from behind while I'm in a defenseless, zero-energy state, or slowly re-accelerating. :P Seriously, after the fall of the USSR, that leftover Cold War defense budget of ours allowed us to secure Flankers and Fulcrums to look at, and no doubt the pilots who knew these maneuvers too. So, odds are our pilots are taught to react appropriately to a situation like this. So, whether our planes can pull this off or not is a pointless argument. The Cobra exists for the same reason Spetsnaz do flips, rolls and spins, just to show off, when it'd serve no real practical use in combat. I'd also theorize that this kind of maneuver puts considerable stress on the overall frame of the plane if done too often.

[@anmol3457]

How do you define "reacting appropriately" ?

[@imnobodyanon9430]

Barely anything you can do if your pilot's already in a position where the enemy pilot could be doing a cobra maneuver. It means your pilot dun' goofed and got in too close, too fast. Here's how to not get cobra'd: throttle control, don't go too fast, too hard, that's all. Simple innit? But I guess in a real fight it could be quite difficult to remember that.

[@12sleep23]

so you are implying that any special forces are useless

[@StarwarsHalofreak]

​@@12sleep23 I don't see Green Berets or Navy Seals doing flips, rolls and spins like they're trying out for the Ringling Bros.

[@justinmoody6721]

youtube has a video of a Malaysian F18 beating an SU25 even after the SU pilot does a cobra. The channel is "The ready room," the pilot is Gonkey. He does alot of go pro videos in flight, and has a vide of him going head to head with a Mig 29 with clean wings and him with fuel bags. Good vids.

[@Slavkoni100]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-25 if su-25 can do cobra manuevre i am queen of england....

[@allgood6760]

Cool stuff 👍🇳🇿

[@AndrewShook]

Russia: only our jet can do it! America: hold my fuckin beer 🤣

[@mlassz009]

Russia: " Only our jet can do it " American pilot 120 miles away: " Hey...Hold my AIM-260 JATM

[@castironbandito]

Fun fact: The first ever fighter jet to do this maneuver is the J35 Drakken. The Russians probably stole the Cobra from the Swedes.

[@Voschane]

Got any proof that they stole the maneuver?

[@georgeklemens7577]

@@Voschane he doesn’t have any proof lol

[@stuvo1977]

The Swedes have always been fighter aircraft innovators.

[@Eastbridge2100]

I had this clip on video tape in the late nineties

[@gre8]

How many Gs do they pull on that?

[@Amin.Ashraf]

gre8 I think it depends on the aircraft's velocity. Based on the information I heard it is about 190 to under 300 knots to safely pull the menuver, witch is about 4 to 6 or 7 Gs. To be clear that Gs is just my assumption. I don't do any proper calculation.

[@karlchilders5420]

Because you don't know. You guess, because (a) you aren't a pilot and (b) you don't know wtf you're talking about. The biggest takeaway people NEED to know about this maneuver is that the aircraft CAN NOT pitch AND roll at the same time. It will literally come apart if they try it. Ask a Sukhoi pilot if you don't believe me. The thing takes quite a while to do properly, and even then, it isn't something they'd do in combat, because I'm sure they don't want to die. Nobody that knows ANYTHING about flying will willfully give up their energy to do such a move. American pilots don't fly solo, thus, if a pilot DID try this, either the guy on his 6, or the guy covering HIM will kill the idiot doing the move.. It's a great airshow move. Girls get wet, idiots get excited, pilots that fly combat missions know this wouldn't be done in a tactical dogfight.

[@tomkrueger6556]

@@karlchilders5420 🤣🤣😖😖😖

[@karlchilders5420]

@@tomkrueger6556 So your reply is smiley faces because you don't speak anything but Arabic, or is it because you also don't know what is being discussed here? My 6 yr old can construct a more perspicacious reply than what you've offered here.

[@DOI_ARTS]

Maverick and Rooster: WTF was that!?

[@lulabelle82]

Do you know what's weird about that comment in the movie? Maverick had already done it earlier in training and was called out for doing it when he was reprimanded!

[@markfischer3626]

The F22 is the only supermaneuverable plane the US has put into production and operation. It can perform pretty much all of the maneuvers SU57 can perform. The US experimented with thrust vectoring and supermaneuverability decades ago and decided it was of little value in combat although it is great fun to watch at air shows. SU57 has 3D thrust vectoring. F22 has only 2D thrust vectoring but by adjusting its aerodynamic surfaces in conjunction with its thrust vectoring it can do the same things. The US instead focused on stealth which it considers far more valuable. First to see the enemy, first to fire missiles at him and with fire and forget missiles the pilot of the stealthier plane can leave before the enemy even knows he's under attack.

[@angeljimenez121]

You're wrong. the F-22 cannot perform all the maneuvers that the Su-57 does, even if it tries, you said it yourself 3D VS 2D, there is a clear difference.

[@markfischer3626]

@@angeljimenez121 1. The F22 would have to use its aerodynamic control surfaces in combination wit thrust vector ingredients. 2. The US considers suoermanuverability of little or no importance in combat. It came to that conclusion decades ago after experimenting with it. To the US stealth is far more important. This is why the SU 57 is at a serious disadvantage against F22 and F35 which are far stealthier and have better radar.

[@rickschromehd]

He’ll be doing the inverted cobra toward the ground once that F-35 gets a lock on!

[@os1941]

If the F-35 could even fly fast enough to catch him

[@Defender78]

it should be called the "I'll hit the brakes, and he'll fly right by" top gun maneuver. Either way, no one dog fights anymore, dont they just all launch missles from 20 miles away?

[@TheMAgicMost]

and u are a fighter jet pilot?

[@Wuety06]

they only launch missiles from 20 miles away or need to hover when they are shooting at primitives in caves. We (the us) will be up shit creek against some of these more powerful air forces if we have a ww3 or even another major conflict where the other side isnt living in caves.

[@karlchilders5420]

Russia will go broke trying to fight at all, much less "WWIII". They can't even afford a SINGLE squadron of SU-57's. Go sell that "we're a superpower" myth somewhere else, nobody here is buying it. Putin may WANT the USSR back, but it's dead and gone, like his integrity and manhood.

[@wolfcrewe7474]

Steve the days of the rusted out junk after the collapse of the Soviet Union is over, keep believing your Goebbels style propaganda. Russia are fast becoming a worldwide power again whether u like it or not.

[@alanbrown397]

This (slamming on the brakes and letting the opponent lumber past into your missile sights) is EAXCTLY what was used n the Falklands by RAF Harrier pilots to bring down Argentine Skyhawks. Sure, in most cases you're going to fire a missle from 20 miles away, but if you have to dogfight you NEED to know how to do it - and if you're going to be shooting from 20 miles away then you _don't_ need a fighter, you need a bomb/missile truck.

[@ragingvikingyt6002]

Saab draken 35 was the first ever to do it. In the 1960s but nobody seems to know this

[@abbasraza9616]

Does anyone have more information on the old maneuvering technique mentioned at the end of the clip?

[@ackesk]

I couldn't hear what the name was?

[@MlTGLIED]

+Abbas RazaA bit late mate.It's some kind of kamikaze style, last ditch maneuver (Taran)

[@simageorge63]

Taran =ramming others aircraft rudders with your one aircraft propeller

[@simageorge63]

@@ackesk TARAN

[@Snaproll47518]

Can they do the Cobra at high gross weight, meaning weapons and fuel?

[@AndrewTubbiolo]

Whoops, 1997, not 88, I was thinking of "Top Gun and Beyond".

[@camaradeKC]

russians saying that only their plane can cobra meanwhile the J35 draken : Am i a joke to you ?

[@benep9326]

Well us swedes could do it in our 35 draken I actually think We did it before the russians it’s called ”kort parad” in Sweden

[@socalairshowreview7410]

"I'll hit the brakes, he'll fly right by" :)

[@a1919akelbo]

It's always interesting seeing pilots brag about "nono in OUR jet you can hit the target before you're even in visual range" this comes from all parties. it's like kids saying they'd always win in a fight.

[@Electricfox]

It's like Jeff Ethell says at the start of this video, over the years American doctrine has killed off the close in dogfight multiple times, only to have to backtrack when they realized that it's still a viable tactic. Taking the cannons off the F4 comes to mind.

[@a1919akelbo]

@@Electricfox exactly, tactics are tactics. Modern militaries still use "stay still and hit from far", "charge them with everything and everyone", and "go around when they're not looking" nothing's changed since the hunter gatherer times, its just become more high tech and expensive.

[@OmnomTheNom]

"Can only be done in a Su-27 aircraft" *while a Su-33 does a cobra on screen*

[@Digi20]

no he correctly says su-27 *class* aircraft - which of course includes the 30 variants, 33, 34 and 35.

[@OmnomTheNom]

@@Digi20 homie, the su-35 is not a su27 class... lol. Nice try tho. Also the first one was done in a drachen... which is Swedish not Russian.

[@eugenwolk]

I Love Russia 🇷🇺 from Germany 🇩🇪

[@MOTIVATED_VERGIL69]

Fun fact: the 1st officiall cobra manouvre was done in a MiG-21 by a Pilot from Syria.

[@evanleo7633]

according to my limited experience form video game this manuver is suicidal because you lose all your energy and become a sitting duck

[@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM]

It's only suicidal, if you perform it at the wrong time. It's literally, a "make or break" maneuver.

[@KWASolek1]

What is the name of last manoeuvre mentioned in the end?

[@KWASolek1]

Taran?

[@blubden7732]

”Can Only be Done in the su-27” yet it was invented with the J35

[@KJK9029]

BlubDen Quite the misconception indeed. The soviets learned it by looking at Swedes.

[@olssong7941]

You didn't listen

[@231thorium]

"They can only do this in their Su-27s" **proceeds to show an su-33 doing the cobra**

[@ShadowOfTheZone]

>"Russia has always believed in the dogfight" >proceeds to cash in all energy in one suicide move Brilliant!

[@sebastianfalcon948]

The cobra is supposed to be a last ditch maneuver in order to force an over shoot. Noone is going to be pulling cobras right off the merge

[@Hix7]

So in maverick movie it is true what they showed 👍👍

[@jamesradcliffe3985]

both the russians and americans have been very careful for many, many years not to put russian versus american pilot in combat. both sides also avoid pitting their latest generation fighters head to head. neither side wants to lose that battle. it would be a pr disaster.

[@baykazdal]

gotta love russian design they are just beautiful

[@Kimoto504]

0:57... NOPE. Cobra can be done equally with the MiG 29 and its family.

[@ExcretumTaurum]

That may not have been established when this film was made

[@potatopower707]

And the su-33, and every other sukhoi...

[@AdityaMoudgal]

What is the name of this documentary?

[@thespectator2976]

And this manuevre was done first with a JA35 Draken : ) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SAAB_35_Draken_performing_the_Cobra_maneuver.gif

[@VF1Skullangel]

I've seen an F-18 in person do a Cobra. If a Tomcat and an Eagle could do it I don't see why an F-18 or F-16 Can't. Even the Eurofighter can do it. The cobra is a cobra plain and simple it doesn't matter if the russians can do it better or not.

[@Nikola89Chupke]

Whats the "taran" manuevre???? it says about it at the end of the video ????

[@theTutenstien]

Hello guy from 10 years ago, he says its a manuevre which they ram into the enemy plane

[@mansonst3171]

Strange the Swedes have been doing this maneuver since the 60s with the J35 Draken

[@jasoncary7957]

Can the Kai sue them for infringement?

[@dzungtran314]

Pls tell me which documentary this clip come from

[@Nahal0nok]

Top Gun Over Moscow

[@trap3400]

*Its American on discovery channel, strongly biased*

[@jacksparrow-ie8uq]

How would west normally do? They don’t have the aircraft to do the manoeuvre