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[@MrSubaru1387]

Little correction to the video. The new system is series parallel, like the E-Boxer. Not a series system. The system is just compacted to fit in the engine bay. The news articles I read on the matter weren’t super clear. A viewer has shared this video with me on the Subaru presentation - kzbin.info/www/bejne/moWcp3uqnKp7jaMsi=DFLisTmc1BAcDKzl Full presentation - kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJK1nH2uibmApMksi=GhwOYt70hiVec5lJ

[@thegreatfalcon5]

The series system is nothing new to the automotive field. Remember the GM Volt?

[@MrSubaru1387]

@@thegreatfalcon5 missed me mentioning it in the video?

[@thegreatfalcon5]

@@MrSubaru1387 Oupsidoo maybe yes :P

[@Listentomoreunderground]

Finally, someone makes reference how freight trains have been using this technology forever. I've been bringing that up for so long, to people saying "how advance etc the technology is," lol.

[@tsamuel6224]

Everything that's not a plug in with a battery only range over 100 miles is a waste of engineering money. The world's major economies will eventually outlaw ICE power in ordinary cars. Now is when car makers have time to be ready. America has tried diesels, so it's safe to dismiss them from mind like film cameras which are now a niche product.

[@mserica6487]

If they can make it affordable to buy, dependable, cheap to maintain, good gas mileage, and plenty of power... I'm all for it.

[@MrPoppyDuck]

That is a big ask. Might be a long time before that happens.

[@stevenoe6395]

They have had the tech since the 80s had a reduler at a gas station bought a brand new town car back in 89 88 something like that picket it up at the factory drive it to Cincinnati and the gas gauge dint move it took less than 2 gallons to fill it up and I'm pretty sure he picket it up in Detroit I went over it had one of the weirdest carb/throttle bodies I had ever seen he left Cincinnati to go to Florida for a week then came back and had barely used a half tank he said he was calling Chrysler to see what was going on I told him that wouldn't be a good idea they may take it back or u may end up dead well he called them he definitely dint have much choice in giving it back but he did get a brand new one with everything included for free plus they took back his loan still think it was stupid could have saved so much over the years on gas. But they basically gave him a deal if he refused they still would have gotten it back and he would have disappeared. All we could figure is it was experimental something they forgot to take off. Still never seen a fuel injection like it so when I hear about other people and companies making stuff like that it's believable to me but only because I have seen one that worked

[@valdius85]

Yes, Subaru will pay you to buy them.

[@brekmister]

You can pick 3 out of 4 of those options.

[@fakethiscrap2083]

You done need power. Just buy a Corolla and you'll have it all alongside with a Mazda 3 or an Impreza

[@Berserkjahraun]

I’m absolutely loving my 2020 Camry Hybrid. I’m averaging just over 53 mpg year round over 40k miles.

[@Seeker3876]

Thank you for clearing the air on the CVT's. I am 83 and we have driven almost 800,000 miles in Subarus starting with our 1975. We wanted one more before driving days are over. We have been through all of the issues in our 2009 with thousands in repairs, the worst of the lot. . The transmission and AWD systems are the best in the industry with no issues. The three best were our 1990 Legacy Sedan, a really great car, 1994 Impreza wagon, and our 1995 Legacy sedan We have been all over the country in Subarus and have pulled small camp trailers. You are encouraging me to consider one more Subaru.

[@berkburak]

Thanks Mr Subaru! I own a Subaru Crosstrek 2018 year model since march this year and have been following your channel since than. Its a mystery for me that Subaru USA doesnt provide you with a original car that you can review. You are the most viewed Subaru Channel on youtube as far as I know. Keep up the good work man! Greetings from Sweden!

[@PleiadesPower]

Agreed. Maybe we need to start a campaign for Mr. Subaru to get placed into the Subaru marketing program..

[@paulspeakman551]

While I'm not against fully electric plug-in vehicles, the technology and infrastructure will need to be more fully developed. The comparison to the way railroad locomotives work may not be familiar to many people and the whole concept of changing tech reminds me of my late dad on this fathers day. He was born in September 1908, the same month the model T Ford began production and while horses were still the most common means of individual transportation. He drove wagons pulled by horses as a boy and at the age of 12 went to work delivering milk from a Model T truck. The infrastructure for autos was dismal but rapidly improving as was the auto tech itself. Fast forward some years and he became a boilermaker on the B&O railroad, apprenticed to his father. They kept the trains rolling during WWII, the best means for moving men and material across the nation. After the war, however, the diesel electric locomotives replaced the steam locos and in 1956 at nearly 48 years old his profession was gone so he went to work in an industry that was by then beginning to rival the railroads, the trucking industry. He went to work for International Harvester building trucks until his retirement in 1970. There's a lesson there for all the folks today wailing and whining about changing transportation technologies. The tech is evolving, and we have to evolve with it; it's been done before and will be done again after we're gone.

[@truckercowboyed2638]

The difference back then, it made sense to move to cars or move to diesel locomotives, we don't all need to jump to electric cars....if you want them great, but stop forcing them.......the government needs to stop trying to mandate EVs as well...not everyone needs to change from what already works.....

[@nachoisme]

@@truckercowboyed2638Do you have an EV? I doubt it….they aren’t mandated I guess. No one is forcing you and ICE will be around for a long time. By the time you are ‘forced’ to buy one you might already want one

[@daos3300]

this is exactly what most people fail to understand - the issue of infrastructure. it doesn't happen overnight.

[@paulspeakman551]

@@daos3300 they don't understand that the infrastructure we have for automobiles today didn't happen overnight. In the early days there weren't gasoline stations everywhere and most streets and roads were dirt, mud when it rained. It took decades before the interstate highway system was developed in the 1950's, and until that time most cars were not really capable of the sustained speeds seen now. They expect it to happen overnight and decide it's no good if it doesn't. Much of society has become impatient and expects instant gratification.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

and we don't need big oil for it. you can make a lot of energy with solar and sell it on your own charger at your own diner to people who want to fuel their electric horse while they take a break and enjoy their meal.

[@RoroborTV]

My god already 3 bot posts Side note, I have 2016 Crosstrek CVT and watch you for all my DIY maintenance needs. One of the few content creators I sub to

[@MrSubaru1387]

I swear they’re automatic

[@ricepony33]

I’d buy a Subaru with a Toyota engine and transmission in a heartbeat.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

Yes...ONLY Toyota gets this right.......20 Years with Prius has proven that...........Paul

[@matthewhuszarik4173]

@@paulholterhaus7084Honda’s hybrids are good as well. The only problem is their limited availability.

[@PapaA7145]

Watching your channel helped me to overcome the anxiety of purchasing a vehicle with a CVT. In the last 2 years I have been in accidents (no fault of mine) that totaled a 2004 Grand Marquis and a 2020 Ford Escape. Walked away with bruising. Safety was a primary concern for a small car purchase so Subaru came into focus, also did not want a tiny turbo engine. Now happy with a 2024 Forester Wilderness. The 1.5 minute warm up is a little annoying but if it will prolong the CVT life it’s a minor inconvenience.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

I have a 24 Touring Model........Nearly everything about it is annoying.........A 10 year old video game player could have done a better job of programming the cars computer.............My 2013 was MUCH easier to live with.............Paul

[@lesp315]

Can we have an opinion of the other driver?

[@petesjk]

I believe the warmup procedure is required because the engine has hydraulic lifters.

[@Petros.P]

Owner of a 2024 Forester E-Boxer Adventure (Sport in the US). Pretty nice, seamless hybrid system. It is not gonna set fire on the road with its power but it gets the job done really good. I want to point out the one thing that a lot of people are missing out on is that when we are talking about fuel efficiency we forget a very very VERY big thing that Subaru cars have and that is the symmetrical AWD system. Forester is always an AWD vehicle 22cm off the ground and its REALLY logical that it will have worse fuel consumption than for example Rav4 Hybrid. Even if Subaru produces a hybrid engine the fuel consumption will always be somewhat worse than a Rav4 Hybrid which weighs less, is lower to the ground and in its 4WD system it just has a rear electric motor which the car sends power to when it senses it needs to. So to sum up we just need to compare things with what they really are. Great video and presentation, keep up the good work!

[@z1az285]

excellent point, thats exactly right however there is an article where a Subaru tech executive states that the new hybrid system will operate like a Toyota but will also get better mileage and EV range than the previous versions. i was confused because there was no plug in forester and the crosstrek hybrid in other markets was a eBoxer. but that apart he categorically stated the rear wheels would be driven by two motors. so it may not be the same as touota but not what Subaru had in the past either. i don't understand how a bigger battery will lead to more fuel savings in hybrid mode. to be seen

[@MickyBellRoberts]

I really like the way you explain things. I can’t wait for my Subaru Sambar to arrive from Japan in August.

[@brentmiller3479]

I Had a Chevy Cruise Diesel, Over the road salesman, It worked Great, but most people do short hops, any Diesel won't like that! 😇I like the Japan built Forester, when my Outback dies.

[@nieldcreek2098]

Love the idea of a diesel electric! But with plug in option as well to use solar charging at home…

[@milwaukeeroadjim9253]

Hybrid is the way to go. No EV in my future.

[@chrisschultz6129]

Plug in hybrid is also great. Small EV range from a medium-sized battery, hybrid for the rare days you drive more. Law of diminishing returns; bigger battery for more range results in a beefier brakes and suspension which adds weight which hurts your range; you end up chasing your own tail

[@06Salvi_LGT]

​@chrisschultz6129 I've heard that a hybrid doesnt make much sense for highway driving, theyre better for city driving, how true is it?

[@stuntmonkey00]

Compared to BEV, hybrid makes a lot of sense if you have long distances to travel and not a lot of urban density, which is basically all the flyover states in the US. But long distances and low density are also what make make the car terrible for the environment in the first place... like not the car, but the urban planning. Really, neither BEV, hybrid or PHEV are the answers because what's really inefficient is moving a 180lb person in a 4000lb container. The answer is trains or walkable cities.... so yeah, since there's no will for that, if you live in a sprawly city, hybrids make a lot of sense.

[@Sig_ben2]

You still replace the hybrid battery when the time comes. That will cost you at least 2k. Unless you're not keeping the car. You still do your oil change and spark plugs .

[@hcho8164]

​Yes and no. ​@@Sig_ben2 Basically in a Prius the hybrid battery can fail to provide enough battery power when it wears out or gets old. Just like calling the cable guy, there are professionals or techs that can affordably replace the battery after a trade in. Basically they diagnose and repair what is wrong. And sometimes it can be only one cell that needs to be replaced. But obviously the pros will take on the responsibility to figure out what do to with the broken battery. I recommend to stay vigilante shortly after the repair just in case the repaired battery is not as good as they said it is. We had to change it twice. Maybe battery repair success varies. But I had no problem after that.

[@patrickpartti9027]

The Subaru diesels were basically a great idea. However, they had MASSIVE problems in Europe with cranks having alignment issues and engines being scrap after 120-180k miles. Also considering the DPF and EGR issues that diesels are having, I would definitely lean towards the gas engines.

[@MegaGEZZZ]

Petrol also has EGR and now GPF 🫠

[@Xiv2022]

Never buy a Japanese diesel l.

[@hnybcraft]

@@MegaGEZZZ interesting, I didn't even know GPF was a thing. Apparently direct-injected engines make more fine particulates than port injected, hence GPF. Funnily enough, EGR in gasoline engines actually helps improve fuel economy. Maybe not worth it for the extra complexity and problems. At least gasoline vehicles don't need a urea system. After all of this, probably the brake and tire dust are more hazardous than the tailpipe emissions.

[@erkkiamerikka]

Makes total sense, I own a condo and I'm not going to buy a house just so I can put in an EVSE (charger). I love Subaru, and that's what I want to drive. Honda uses this setup with their hybrids as well, I had a 2019 Insight for awhile and it worked great.

[@hnybcraft]

Have you tried getting the condo association to install some chargers?

[@ggt9028]

just got 2011 forester with ee20 euro5 gen - cleaned it with hydrogen - this is beautiful engine definitely worth of further development

[@ImAManMann]

The diesel driven genset with electric drive motors is what i have been saying was needed since the 90s.....

[@honestjohn6222]

Problem with the diesel here in Australia is it has diesel particulate filter (dpf) so as a short distance engine no good needs to be going to get up to temperature to go into regen to clean out filter

[@ImAManMann]

@honestjohn6222 dpf is in the states as well... sure people with short drives would probably be better off with a petrol car .... there are obviously different use cases... but for a vehicle with a higher duty cycle, a diesel running at peak efficiency speed will provide both better performance and better efficiency.

[@ALexMcDunny]

I'm on my 3rd Outback. The last two have the CVT and I have experienced zero issues with the transmissions. Living in Wisconsin, I can say with certainty, Subaru AWD is absolutely killer. Wet, Snow, Dry the car just goes where I want. The 8.6" ground clearance means that snow storm drifts and piles are only slightly felt as the car just powers through. Love it completely. Not perfect but perfect were it counts.

[@pwlw185]

The boxer and symmetric drive is not negotiable. Without both of these there is no point of Subaru and they might as well finish up and go 100% Toyota owned. Diesel would be good fuel wise but soot emissions are difficult and you end up with unreliable DPFs and Adblue. Meanwhile I’ll keep my EJ257 in my socially unacceptable STi.

[@rcpmac]

Especially if you have an insatiable head gasket habit.

[@promethbastard]

@@rcpmac Yes, because the MLS head gaskets are totally known for their failures. It's totally not the cheaper gaskets in the non-turbo engines. Meanwhile, as someone with an EJ257.. They're still fun after all these years.

[@hnybcraft]

Soot is actually relatively easy to deal with, it's the NOx responsible for so much of the emissions system, and there may be other compounds as well.

[@hnybcraft]

My dream would basically be if Subaru made a super reliable diesel engine, put it in a car with a manual transmission option and made it a parallel plug-in hybrid. Unfortunately, with today's emissions laws and the maddening level of poor manufacturing quality control, I'm not sure any company will make a super reliable diesel engine for a passenger car ever again. Maybe the engineers could design it, but management won't let them, because it's seen as too expensive to develop, and it's not very profitable if lots of customers keep their cars until 500k miles or more.

[@langdons2848]

Diesel series hybrid - the same system as Edison Motors are using in their prime movers and their conversion kits. It makes a lot of sense and I'd definitely take that over using a petrol motor to drive the generator. Anyway, this sounds like a good development from Subaru. Thank you for the video.

[@langdons2848]

@@Mquin02 then that's disappointing. Hopefully one day they will take the next step.

[@westleaf11]

The series hybrid is interesting. Since 2017 London taxis have been made with this system by LEVC (Geely). Included is a 3 cylinder gas engine from a Volvo ( also owned by Geely). Since gasoline engines are more efficient at certain speeds (rpm) the battery charging can be optimized for maximum efficiency. That said I was hoping that Subaru would drop the boxer engine and adopt the Toyota dynamic force A25A-FXS engine. This hybrid system ( including the ecvt) seems to be the most efficient one out there. In my opinion, efficiency outweighs the benefits of the boxer engine.

[@truckerrickakamanowar]

I have a 23 Premium and I love it. I regularly average 35.1 mpg here in the warmer months. Average high 32s to low 33s winter fuel. South Coast of Massachusetts. I regularly get about 500+ miles before I fuel up with 80-100 miles left in the tank. I must've got a good one no oil consumption that I can see or notice. Check oil every week. My only complaint about the car is the rattling sunroof which is starting to bum me out but I can live with it. Like the hybrid idea though as long as the drive train still works as great as it does as far as the full time AWD system is concerned.

[@DOBERSTAFFIE]

The subaru diesel engine was a tragedy. So many issues and second hand diesel subarus are worthless, nobody wants them. I had it and regretted it. And was happy when the camshafts snapped. Swapped to the gasoline one and never looked back

[@wpgspecb]

perhaps maintain your car better.

[@DOBERSTAFFIE]

​@wpgspecb please try to think, thinking is so important. It was maintained by Subaru and had the oil and filters changed every 7500km. It was a common fault in that engine. Again try to think before writing.

[@MrPoppyDuck]

No EV for me in the rust belt. We get cold winters. Lows going below zero at night happen every winter. I hope Subaru does not forget that some people who buy their cars expect them to last a long time. Small displacement turbocharged engines on average do not last as long as larger normally aspirated engines.

[@aaronh305]

A hybrid will feel the mileage drop at colder temps, but if the fuel cell is the same size as the non hybrid there wont be a huge drawback in range comparatively. EV you lose range and can't pull in and top up in a couple minutes. I fought this issue with an electric bike trailer we were designing with 100 mile range. Below 20f the range tanked.

[@heh2k]

Long life... in the rust belt?

[@heh2k]

Turbos last plenty long. My subaru is a 2008 with over 100k. Turbos benefit even more than NA from direct injection. It's not the 70s or 80s any more.

[@alanmartinez488]

@@heh2k 100K is nothing... get into the 300 to 400 range

[@heh2k]

@@alanmartinez488 true, I've seen posts of 300k turbo subis.

[@kerrylewis2581]

I live in New Hampshire and have been driving my 2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid as my commuter vehicle since 2016, and I love it. Forty-five plus average for over 110,000 miles. These are the answer for fuel economy. The big question is how long before I have a major malfunction with the electrical system. Only time will tell.

[@NVRAMboi]

You seem very candid and realistic. I'm not used to that in YT comments. Cheers and best of luck to you.

[@williesheldon4926]

To state they should operate as a diesel is not wise. In the USA the government is stupid in how they demand diesels to run on DEF systems. Traditional diesels are amazing and run the many miles.

[@nickkalister6291]

the heck are you talking about none of these engines are diesels lol

[@paulholterhaus7084]

AND stink AND vibrate AND stink........................Paul

[@jnoles5345]

@@paulholterhaus7084 They don't smell so bad now. Most of the sulfer is taken out of modern diesel fuel.

[@hnybcraft]

Europe also uses DEF, though last I knew the US actually had stricter standards at least for NOx. Part of the reason for even needing such a complex emissions system is that NOx emissions increased as diesel engines became more efficient. Using somewhat less efficient diesel engines could maybe allow them to not need DEF to meet standards, but then the efficiency benefit over gasoline narrows, and the price would still be higher. The reputation of diesel in passenger cars also just went totally down the toilet due to VW. I think the emissions standards should be more nuanced though, like maybe allow people to buy somewhat dirtier diesel vehicles, but take measures to discourage them from driving them in and around cities, especially those that are already fairly polluted. A bit of soot and NOx is hardly a problem if the vehicle is almost always in the boonies. It's also pretty dumb that there are such strict emissions regs for cars and trucks but not for trains, aviation and ships. Aviation fuel is still allowed to have lead in it, for Pete's sake!

[@jackpalczynski7884]

If Subaru can match the economy Toyota is hitting with their hybrids, it's the way to go. I happen to live in an area where the cost of electricity is so high that EVs cost more per mile to fuel than gas cars. So while an EV can certainly out accelerate similar gas cars, they do it at extra cost. A co-worker bought a Camry hybrid and his mileage is in the high 50's. Now that's worth looking to. But cost also matters. My 19 Crosstrek premium manual was $22k brand new. I'm not paying fifty grand for hybrid.

[@thomas735]

I like Hondas hybrid design too, no transmission, just a generator.

[@nancyconnolly2210]

Only plug in hybrids cost 50k. Regular hybrids in Toyotas add less than 1k to the price of an awd car. Subaru is joined at the hip with Toyota if they ever want to do hybrids upon their entire line. The only way EVs costs more to run than a gas car is if you use fast charge units. Subaru knows that. EVs are in everyone’s future. Gee, the average Subaru has electric solenoids and motors powering nearly every thing except the drive motor, which is totally managed and dependent on electricity. The unfounded fear of EVs is hilarious.

[@louislopez55]

For reference, my 2022 Camry Hybrid SE cost $36,000 OTD in December 2021, probably more now but not yet at $40k. I consistently get 48.5mpg overall, and I love how smooth the throttle response is and how quiet it is, especially in EV mode. The Corolla Hybrid would be even less expensive, and then there’s the Corolla Cross hybrid for those who want an SUV. I also drove a family members Honda CR-V hybrid from Yuma to Phoenix and I was amazed how nice it was, ride quality, power, comfort. Just my opinion, but I don’t know why anyone would pass up the gas savings of a Hybrid. (Unless you need a truck or large SUV)

[@nancyconnolly2210]

@@jackpalczynski7884 Really ? If you’re fast charging on the road, perhaps. But if you’re charging at home, it’s obvious. Your electricity at home is so many cents per KWh which appears on your bill. An EV will show you how many miles it’s getting per KWh, often 3-4 miles. If your home charge is .15 per KWh for example, that’s the cost to go 3-4 miles. Will a gas powered car do that ? Not likely, unless you’re paying higher rates using charging stations at fast charge stations.

[@troysimpkins4528]

I'm really looking forward to seeing this new hybrid powertrain in the upcoming Subarus. But just an FYI, Diesel Electric locomotives have been polishing the rails for almost 100 years. GE, along with Ingersoll Rand and American Locomotive Company produced the first Diesel Electric locomotive, #1000, for the Central Railroad of New Jersey in 1925. By the mid 1930s Electromotive Corporation, soon to be bought out by General Electric and be renamed to Electromotive Division (EMD), was producing streamlined diesel electric locomotives for both passenger and freight service all across the country. That graphic you used of the diesel electric diagram was an EMD F units, which the first in the series, the EMD FTs, started service in 1939.

[@richroggio]

very interesting Mr. Subaru, looking forward to hearing more about it 👍

[@bonozil]

Very interesting analysation. I think the diesel hybrid is worth checking

[@fredrmitchell]

Watching the press release, it was my understanding that the boxer engine would power both the car directly and the generator for the battery. Why else would you need a cvt? I am confused.

[@theamazinggoldfish8713]

Another problem with Subaru is they have set up several systems using proprietary code enen on things as simple as breaks. Most mechanics won't touch them as only Subaru has the computers and the codes.....So glad I got the 5 Gen Impreza. Great vid and thanks Mr. Subaru ❤

[@robertkirchner7981]

The first Subarus had two cycle engines. "We have to stick with two cycles. It's kinda our whole identity" would have been a TERRIBLE strategy.

[@crabjoe]

IMO, it's the right direction, but in Subaru's case, they need to drop the Boxer, while symmetrical AWD. Maybe call it the eSYM AWD system where like Toyota, they drive the rear wheels with it's one set of electric motors. The fronts get driven by 1 electric motor with an open diff, just like Toyota, but in the rear, instead of 1 motor using symmetrical axles, use 2 electric motors. This way, there's no need for torque vectoring with brakes.. And they can truly have the best AWD off pavement system out there for the masses.

[@Tbone51]

Good Video! As a Subaru owner (5th one), it's always good to hear the latest news and possible future developments. I like the "boxer" engine but would have no problem with something else. We've owned, and currently own, other makes of cars. For me, the "boxer" doesn't perform any better for everyday driving than I've experienced with Honda, Hyundai, Chrysler, etc. I like the concept and dependability of the "boxer," but with regular service on all our vehicles (and we keep them about 10 years), we've seen no real difference except, perhaps, the mileage.

[@rpinarreta]

I'm in southern Ontario Canada. We've seen a dramatic change in our winters with lower snow days and milder temperatures. We've been driving Subaru's since the mid 90's but it's becoming challenging to justify the added cost of AWD considering added cost in hardware, repair and lower fuel economy. We would welcome a FWD variant at this point. Subaru should consider marketability of their AWD taking into account global warming.

[@joeweaver9913]

I generally don't care for increased complexity in drivetrain technology as it increases the likelihood of failure. That said, I would strongly consider a plug-in hybrid that allows for electric-only drive as my employer offers free EV charging.

[@denniss1211]

Tesla is on sale at a great price.

[@JimmyD718]

Great video. I shared it on my Facebook too. Best of luck with your channel.

[@bradybernhart670]

Sounds awesome! I really hope we see diesel because I want to be able to tow my boat with a regular Forester.

[@robertmills1759]

If you want to see a good example of the system you are describing, check out the bmw i3 with rex (range extender). Still my favorite car ever, wish more manufacturers would make similar solutions as you can have a semi small battery/range and no range anxiety as you can use no gas 99% of the time but pop in some petrol to go further when you need to

[@drakegrizzell4258]

Subaru just continues to make me smile with its design choices. Going the route of using an engine to power a generator makes sense for those of us who live *well* outside town limits and who rely on gasoline portability and ease of refuel to keep our vehicles up and running. Making it a diesel adds even more fuel economy and opens the door to biodiesel for self sufficient homesteaders to get even more options. Im all ears for what Subaru has in mind in the coming years if this is the direction they actually implement!

[@patrickmcguire4617]

Interesting and informative video. I have been running Subaru all wheel drives since 1980. We have 2 Outbacks in Alaska and 1 Outback in Colorado. I love them. With the Boxer engine and Subaru's excellent 4WD system, they go anywhere on snow and ice and are great for winter driving, and they are economic. That is far more important to me than nuances on mileage. Making them heavy or limiting the cargo capacity or reducing ground clearance is a terrible way to go for a Subaru. If you want a commuter car for the city, get a commuter car for the city. If you want to see the world and drive in cold climates and do it economically, get a Subaru.

[@ecovango6675]

I am looking forward to Subaru having a decent hybrid. One of the reasons that has prevented me from buying a new Subaru is I absolutely hate the start stop system, they put on the new Subarus for admissions. Hybrid makes sense. Looking forward to a new direction for Subaru with hybrid technology. #HybridTechnologyFromToyota.❤

[@keilmillerjr9701]

You need to address the issue of batteries. My forester is 3 years old with over 100,000 miles. I still have a loan on it. If it were a hybrid... I would have to start thinking about a replacement battery that I could not afford! I am happy with the car I already have.

[@tonysopranzi3791]

Hi. I'm on board with hybrids. They are the only option right now that makes any sense because it works and knowledge gained can ease us into EVs if that ever becomes viable. I like Subarus approach to the hybrid in that the gasoline engine is a generator of electric power - (is it DC or AC?) to drive the "traction motor" to use the raileroad diesel engine/electric drive motor terminology. It is a much simpler and useful approach that in my humble opinion, will be most attractive to the average driver. Put some juice in it (Higher power batteries and traction motors) to gain performance for special edition or "GT" models and you have a winner. When you spoke of fuel economy my thoughts immediately went to the VW air cooled boxer engine. They could only extract so much fuel economy out of it and had to abandon it. Subaru is way ahead of the game. No hand wringing here, get that diesel ready until maybe Hydrogen power comes along. No matter which way you look at it, Subaru is in the catbird seat. They now need to bring products to market that have a lot of appeal to the american driver. Good video. Well done. Tony Sopranzi

[@pi.actual]

This is how the current Honda hybrid system works except that it has a mode at highway cruising speeds where the ICE will connect and power the wheels in what is essentially a fixed ratio overdrive configuration.

[@castinn]

It looks they have completely eliminated the continuously variable transmission, which eliminates a major cost and maintenance area. Running the engine only to power the generator also means better economy when an engine is operating under a more consistent load. A turbo is not necessary since the battery handles transient needs like getting on the freeway or passing. The engine only really needs to be big enough to keep the car moving at 80-85 mph with maybe a 25% margin for climbing hills. Getting used to hearing the engine changing rpm would be the only negative, perhaps.

[@harrysalamone4458]

Hi mr Subaru I have a 2015 2.5i forester premium with 114000 miles on it. I love the car. I would definitely consider a new hybrid subaru. When my 2015 dies which probably wont for years. Hopefully the price won't be too outrageous.

[@nancyconnolly2210]

Yup. Subarus are very “ well thought out” vehicles. Their life expectancy is a notch below Toyotas but they far surpass them in a lot of ways that make them more comfortable and easier to live with, even if it is a little less time than a Toyota.

[@mabehall7667]

I think we missed a few important points here. The electric motors actually run off the battery meaning of course, as high a torque and performance as the design engineer wants. The ICE would then run at a constant speed and torque associated with its most efficient operating point and charge the battery. Yes, ultimately, if you kept running the vehicle faster than it can charge, it would, like all ICE, be limited to the engines output capability. Here in Texes on I10 west of San Antonio, that would need to be whatever it took to maintain 90 mph, maybe more if you consider headwinds. In summary, more complicated, more expensive, and still just a NECESSARY bridge to all EV.

[@sysdocray]

The series engine described is basically what the Chevrolet Volt was 10-15 years ago. The sole duty of the gas engine was to generate power to drive an electric motor and charge the battery pack. Difference was the Volt's battery, around 18 KWH if memory serves, could also be plugged in to create an initial full charge if desired. - You could also remote start the gas engine to charge the battery, which didn't really make sense. The actual propulsion was 100% electric, just with an small engine providing the electric to charge/run the vehicle.

[@calgarytek]

I'm considering buying a used 2010-2013 Outback 3.6R with the 5EAT. The other consideration is a used Tesla. Winter range is a concern but not so much if I'm just doing driving and errands within the city. A friend of mine drove by a gas station in his EV where folks were lining up for a $.02 of savings. Felt good passing them by and made so much sense to have a vehicle one can charge at home. Nothing Subaru offers or will offer is actually compelling.

[@TamerlanRespawn]

Over here in Europe, Mazda has been shipping rotary hybrids called the MX-30 R-EV for almost a year now. It's basically a full-on EV with a single rotor "range extender" stuck onto a generator. Pretty neat concept if your driving profile matches it. As with most series hybrids, long range highway driving isn't the best in terms of fuel mileage with those, but if most of your driving is done over hills and/or stop-and-go traffic, the regenerative braking and the beefy battery means that for most of the time, the rotary rarely has to kick in if at all. Good thing too, as it sounds like an angry lawnmower anyway, haha Interesting to see Subaru going basically the same direction with the new generation of engines, we'll see how it goes. :)

[@tjadventures]

Of course you want the ee20 (or any other displacement) in the US. You’re a mechanic and you need work. In Europe we believe that the ee20 was kinda of a fail because of so many crankshafts or crankshafts supports breaking. There are solutions where some guys reinforce this engine and it seems to hold well. There’s been a lot of failures in the first gen ee20, and less and less on gen2 and gen3, but Subaru still hasn’t solved the issues completely before they discontinued it. It would be a good idea if they would solve the risk of such a major fault. I really hope they don’t ditch the boxer engine, as this, together with the symmetrical AWD system are the fundaments of Subarus (not literally, as their first cars ever didn’t have that). Pretty cool video, thanks for the hybrid lineup explanation!

[@Thisoldhiker]

American auto buffs are very hot for vehicles we can't get here in the US, without considering that they usually aren't being sold here for good reasons. The reasons are usually because they either wouldn't be affordable (or sell at all) in the US market, or they wouldn't hold up under our low standards of vehicle maintenance and mostly informally-trained mechanics.

[@mgv00]

Cruise ships use the same system. Diesel engines power the electric generators. The electric generators drive the azipod motors which are 180 degree trainable to move and steer the ship. No traditional rudders.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

while there is nothing wrong in making more efficient hybrids, it is more or less of a distraction of toyota. with selling more hybrid components to subaru and others it creates the impression that hybrids are the future of toyota. the opposite is the case. hybrids will peak in 2025 and after that the shift goes on to BEV. hybrids are expensive. and while EVs are even a bit more expensive to buy, their prices are going down every year. everyone can choose. for some, hybrids is a valid choice, especially in stop & go traffic. for me, i try to keep my 23 year old 110kW AWD TDI alive for at least two years and then the time is probably right to switch to an EV. it would be cheaper to buy again a second hand ICE car, but i like EVs. can't wait to have one.

[@tristanschaper281]

I'd like my next car to be an Outback for it's utility, ruggedness and AWD, but I've been wondering for years how Subaru would figure out how to compete with only their IC engines and mechanical AWD, both being their signature design. Unfortunately there's no easy way to make that design into a hybrid, but this latest setup looks like very positive steps forward. I would probably still buy an Outback if it had a 100% Toyota AWD Hybrid electric motor setup. I'm guessing that Toyota isn't going to hand that over directly to Subaru, which is why they are designing this boxer/hybrid setup. I really don't think the average person and/or a die hard Subaru fan looking to buy a new Subaru, would avoid buying it, if it had a full hybrid Toyota powertrain. I think it would actually be a huge positive, as it would be a known reliable and solid powertrain. For me, I'd rather buy a Subaru with a 100% Toyota powertrain, than a brand new, modified/adapted conglomerate with unproven reliability, using a modified IC engine and setup that wasn't designed to be a hybrid engine. If you look at the Toyota hybrid engines and their entire system, it's fascinating how well engineered they are to be efficient and reliable for the exact purpose that they were built.

[@vincentpauly7850]

The internal combustion engine needs a savior like the horse did. No one forced people to give up their horses when cars first came out, and it took time. But few today still want to ride a horse, though I defend their right to do so.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

The Trumpians/Jesus Frieaks are most against progress...................Paul

[@daemoncan2364]

Primary reason for Diesel-electric locomotives is to avoid the complex transmission gear from an engine to the bogies. What's the point of this setup? If you're going to the troubleand expense of putting a large-ish battery in a vehicle, why not make it a plug-in?

[@Traumatree]

Anything that relies on batteries is a wrong solution for an "electric" vehicle. Batteries exist for a backup way to provide electricity, not for a main source like they all try to force us down the throath. A engine powering a generator is much better way to have an electric vehicle. And the primary reason for Diesel-electric is to provide much greater torque to all wheels in a smooth way, and also to allow multiple engines to be paired together. Also the maintenance is quite easier than it was on steam engines.

[@daemoncan2364]

@@Traumatree That was kinda my point with the "complex transmission gear" comment. Mechanically difficult to get the power from the prime mover to the wheels and it wouldn't be efficient with regards to acceleration (might require a "stick shift" & transmission to get any speed up). :) With regards to road vehicles using MG sets for motive power. Take the inefficiency of the gas engine, add the losses in the generation process, then losses in charging any onboard batteries (maybe supercapacitors in the near future). , and you'd be throwing away quite a bit of energy. Hydrogen fuel-cell might make more sense (feedstock agnostic, "renewable"), and no discharge of combustion waste products at street level.

[@bobk381]

The EPA’s stricter fuel economy requirement is driving automakers to build hybrids and EV’s. Some of their attempts hurt the reliability of ICE’s like thinner viscosity oils for lubrication. At the same time, car and truck prices have skyrocketed. Whatever happened to better public transportation systems?

[@jamesjobe927]

With hard times coming, I won’t be surprised if Japanese auto makers start joining together more and more to strengthen their manufacturing costs and save themselves. Just like all the other big auto manufacturers in each corner of the globe.

[@sezwo5774]

Like if existing combustion engines were not complicated enough, now they will be complemented with electrical units. Repairs will no doubt be a nightmare.

[@valdius85]

Check Prius reliability. It’s not new technology

[@haywardkong1213]

Not bad for Toyota Priuses...... own both a 2014 Subaru Outback 133K miles, 2005 Scion tC 179K miles , 2010 Toyota Prius 103K miles... 2nd Gen or 4 Gen Priuses are better 3rd gen Prius suffer headgasket issues kind of like Subaru and their EJ Series Engines..

[@aaronh305]

As a long time Electronic Technician and DIY shade tree mechanic, its not that bad and it does bring simplifications. Take the AC. No belt, no pulley, no clutch,. The compressor can run at best rpm regardless of engine speed. It's not all more complicated. If we got better right to repair laws in the US , Phones and tablets could simplify so much of the diagnostic work for the DIY mechanics and small shops.

[@sezwo5774]

@@valdius85 Toyota remains invested in hydrogen research. I think I know why. More and more components and intertwined more intricately in hybrid systems is not a recipe for affordability, reliability and ease of repairs.

[@valdius85]

@@sezwo5774 Their hybrid vehicles are hybrids as well :)

[@davidwivagg7393]

New batteries promise to be like computer chips with big capacitors which basically absorb electrical energy without producing much waste heat. Subaru transmissions and drivetrains are so well engineered, but I love the simplicity of the Corolla. Why wont the make a simple, easy to repair car loke the Corrola. Thanks for your large knowledge base.

[@Tayjuice]

Diesel engines are/will be banned in the EU, so for them to make two different motors is kinda waste for them?

[@Buc_Stops_Here]

Toyota 86 - A Subaru at heart, with a Toyota 6 speed automatic rear wheel drive transmission (also in the BRZ). They have been sharing a lot of things ever since GM sold off the 20 percent and Toyota bought it.

[@MegaGeorge1948]

The problem with using a Subaru Diesel engine as a locomotive type prime mover for the hybrid generator is cost of ownership in the USA. Because Diesel fuel costs as much as premium gasoline or more, the added cost of the mandatory DEF fluid, the higher added purchase price of the car due to this type of engine, more frequent maintenance oil changes, fuel filters, and Winter fuel additives to keep the fuel from gelling up due to the Diesel biofuel on the American market.

[@svgs650r]

Huh?

[@BrianHoff04]

It's a gas engine.

[@blancomputers1]

Subaru Diesel engines used a DPF instead of DEF fluid. Avergave oil change on one of these motors is 12500Ks same as a normal petrol FA motor. Subaru Diesel averages 900 to 1000 ks per tanks compared to 650 to 700 ks for a petrol version. Even if diesel is slightly higher cost saved per fill up you will see in the long run. Had many friend that told me I was mad for getting my diesel outback when we compare cost per 1000ks friend spent $180 and I only spent $141 AUD 65 lt tank. subaru dont run Bio-diesel in this engine. they would make a great engine for hybrid system

[@MegaGeorge1948]

@@blancomputers1 In America, all Diesel and home heating fuel oil is a bio fuel, diesel fuel mix from 10-40% that can gel up in Winter and needs a Winter additive. In Canada, in the Winter time, when temperatures go way below zero, they use Diesel #1 mixed with #2 to help prevent gelling in the cold. Subaru, right now, does not sell Diesel engines in America. In America Diesel engine cars cost much more that the gasoline (petrol) engines to buy. In the USA DEF is required. Not DPF. The cost of American low Sulfur Diesel fuel is much too high to be economical to drive. Canada is even worse with the "carbon tax" added to the per gallon (liter) cost.

[@MegaGeorge1948]

@@BrianHoff04 It was suggested that Subaru make Diesel hybrid powered cars for America.

[@blazetownsend8785]

I loved that Mitsubishi did something like this with their Plugin Hybrid Outlander. I am excited to see how well this system is received in the USA and I would love to see its' reliability.

[@tosseway145]

That is what I have been saying for years. Diesel generator hybrid car is a perfect combination. Yes just like trains.

[@vijayanchomatil8413]

This is the first time that anyone has ever acknowledged that all diesel locomotives from the very first one are hybrid systems.

[@talisikid1618]

Irrelevant. It’s not good for individual transport. Too many rare minerals and toxic materials involved. It causes too much pollution and dependence on unfriendly nations for resources or causes environmental damage in friendly nations. All of which is bad. And CO2 is not a problem. It’s all hype. A political/economic con game. Porsche’s efuel is a promising idea though.

[@vijayanchomatil8413]

@@talisikid1618 Hydrocarbons contribute mor than CO2. Sulfur Dioxides and Nitrogen dioxides. Also if you hate li ion batteries, you should close your laptop and give your smart phone away. Batteries are becoming less toxic and environmentally damaging. LFP and Graphene and Solid state batteries will dominate and will be environmentally benign.

[@vijayanchomatil8413]

​@@talisikid1618 Hydrocarbons are toxic to burn with SO2 and NO2s. Also new battery technologies are coming that are environmentally benign.

[@hereigoagain5050]

Loved my 2016 Forester, except the rubbery CVT. The eCVT in my 2019 RAV4 Hybrid is much better. Looking forward to the eBoxer. Glad that Subaru is keeping its Fuji Heavy Industry DNA.

[@spamoi081]

I'm ready for a Forester hybrid, currently having a 2014 Forester XT and loving it, but time has come.

[@1canadiankid1]

Edison motors in Canada started manufacturing diesel electric commercial trucks and had f250+ retrofit kits earlier this year. Bridging the gap tech is necessary until our battery tech improves.

[@haukionkannel]

Should be also useful to use gasoline engine motor to heat up the battery, so it should be easier to keep battery loaded also in very low temperatures in the winter. All in all seems more interesting than traditional hybrids!

[@Xynudu]

Good video. I've thought the loco system was something to consider as it obviously has merit. Utilising a diesel would be beneficial provided it can meet emission requirements and avoid current problematic areas (filter re-gen etc). Hybrid tech is certainly the way to go IMHO.

[@deansmits006]

Diesels would be great for longevity and fuel efficiency, but the larticulates and nox emissions are difficult to clean up, requiring more aftertreatment equipment. Unless they figure out a way to clean up emissions in motor, diesel is more complex, more expensive, more difficult to repair, conpared to a gas generator

[@madlucio70]

I have the 2023 Crosstrek Plug In Hybrid and it is fantastic. I really hope that they offer another Plug In Crosstrek in the future, but it seems likely not. I am all for their future plans and am excited to experience them.

[@denniss1211]

I think your idea of a diesel is fantastic... I have followed trains for a long time have wondered like you ... I am on my forth Forester but will have to look at the Mazda or Honda . Thanks for you ideas and knowledge ...

[@dsmith1934]

I have a ford cmax and Prius and soon to be f150 powerboost. I’m sold on hybrids for long distance driving, off-road, and camping. City driving can be EV. My cars get mid 40’s to 50’s and have great acceleration. Bring on the hybrid.

[@josephfass5061]

I like the idea f a Diesel engine.....Would that also be a boxer configuration??

[@zmyslowykalosz]

Subaru has already produced a boxer diesel - EE20

[@Jim-xs2fl]

Briggs and Stratton did the engine-generator battery dc drive motor many years ago

[@cliffgoodman8958]

I Like It, progressive cutting the cord and taking away total mileage anxiety!! I always wondered why Tesla doesn’t use the braking/coasting generation of electricity ie cutting the cord from the equation?? Apologies if they are doing some kind of on board regeneration. I didn’t research it?

[@0bzen22]

Nissan is pure series hybrid. Honda is too, with a clutch to switch to pure ICE above 60 mph, for better efficiency. Series also allows you to simulate gears. Dunno if the new Subaru engine will be Atkinson.

[@stevenebesni2432]

Agreed with the diesel. My concern is that for some reason, diesel is significantly more per gallon than gasoline…… at least in northern NJ.

[@leslielucci3182]

Yes, Why does the price of diesel fluctuate so much compared to the price of regular gas? Diesel needs less refining compared to gasoline so it should always be cheaper. The lower price plus extra power and mileage should be a win/win for diesels as they are much more common in the rest of the world, outside of USA.

[@Middle24]

A large part of the price difference is the subsidy for gasoline due to the ethanol fiasco. Compare the price of pure gasoline to diesel and the costs are closer even though diesel has about ~20% more energy per gallon. E10 and the corn ethanol subsidy skews the comparison quite a bit.

[@petesjk]

⁠@@leslielucci3182The price of diesel is driven by commercial vehicle demand. If you want the price of diesel to go down for your passenger car, tell the commercial truckers and farmers to stop driving so much! I think we know how well that will work. Technically, the way crude oil is refined you get more gasoline out of a barrel of oil, but there will always be a percentage that will be diesel and other refined petroleum products. You can tweak it to try and increase the ratio of diesel fuel output, but you will never get a higher ratio of diesel fuel to gasoline. This is why diesel engines don’t reduce CO2 emissions, and overall don’t lower fuel consumption for non-commercial vehicles.

[@GEORGEEEJ]

My Sister-in-law bought a plug in hybrid Mitsubishi Outlander about 5 years ago. At the time she got 19 miles on battery, now not even 7 miles per charge! Not worth the additional expense.

[@petesjk]

Japanese EV battery tech is behind the curve, literally last place compared to everyone else.

[@EPROM512]

Inline 4, 1L, VVT, FWD. That is what SUBARU NEEDS!!!

[@snaredude56]

The series Hybrid was actually first designed and built in 1900 in the Semper Vivus which was designed by Ferdinand Porsche. So the Hybrid actually goes way back but would take a little under 100 years to become a viable product, in automobiles anyway.

[@josephdykes1820]

I like the idea of a plug in hybrid to 220V at home, in the garage, to get 40+ miles. We could use solar panels to charge the car. I like your idea of using a the small diesel to charge the battery, if needed for more miles.

[@gabrielrichter1795]

In Subaru I value the symmetrical AWD, the boxer engine, and a manual transmission. They are also generally attractive cars as well. I also Ike that over the years mechanically they don't change that much so parts availability are good. I don't buy that CO2 is a pollutant but do believe that fossil fuels are limited so I would like it if car motors were better equipped to run on fuels such as ethanol which theoretically could be produced locally. My understanding is that the original Ford Mode T could run on alcohol produced on the farm.

[@rainmant5724]

I am surpirsed they haven't changed over to air cooling and some sort of 2 stroke since the engine is only used for charging the battery and that would reduce even more weight and complexity. Granted the engines don't last as long as a 4 stroke with liquid cooling, but if they are only charging the battery once in a while engine longevity isn't necessary.

[@ronpulido743]

A Crosstrek with RAV4 Prime XSE specs (40+ emiles, full stare tire, 8.6+ inches ground clearance, and cooled/ventilated seats) would keep me with Subaru. Solar roof for maintaining the AC would be a solid bonus.

[@ReifSpano1]

Your thoughts on E-fuel would be helpful, as Subaru, Toyota and Porsche are investing millions in research on this.

[@Traumatree]

Thank God, someone has been listening to me somewhere! Yes to that electric generator "à-la" locomotive diesel engine (that have been introduced as early as 1920s). What we need after that, is find a way to synthesis fuel so that it breaks down to non-polluting gas. Edit: And the rotary engine is almost the perfect design to power a generator in a car.

[@adamgtrap]

That's the same type of hybrid system hybrid Gilligs use. At least the newish ones I've driven. I thought it would be cool to have a similar system in a car.

[@allanmurphy7474]

It makes sense to have the railroad experience to road vehicles. Electric engines are much more efficient and are superior to gas or diesel as far as fewer moving parts. Plus they are so my fun to drive. I have been a Subaru owner for the last 25 years. I did not like the Toyota inspired EV setup that is called the Solterra. I look forward to the future of Subaru electric cars with combustion engine powered generators. Cheers

[@kuriusly23]

Ram is doing something similar with ram charger. The difference eie they will have independent electric motors on each axle, eliminating the need for a transmission, prop shaft and solid axles. Pretty big space and weight savings.

[@petermanach]

I didn't understand why GM gave up on the hybrid. They put the Volt hybrid system in the Malibu and offered a ICE and hybrid version. Just like Toyota did the last couple of years. I assume sales were not there.

[@jnoles5345]

In addition to locomotives, diesel electric boats have been around a long, long time. Back in 1968, I served on one of the last of the old WW2 era diesel submarines.

[@Mike-vd2qt]

Egad, complexity. Wish I still owned my 1966 Chevy Custom 10.

[@dannycohen8870]

My good family friend her parents have been a Subaru family since the 08 forester and they also named the both 08 foresters they had one was called ruby the subie and the other was called bluey because one was red and the other was a pale gray-ish blue and the red one was fully loaded for it's time. Then bluey started to have the fan die on it so they replaced it with a 2018 forester XT in gray which it was called greye and they liked and then they replaced Ruby with a 23 Forester Touring and that was called whitey because it was white. I love Subarus even though my family is a GM family lol Love the videos dude!

[@TDX3000]

Smfh 😒

[@Mike_44]

So long as it’s a Turbo diesel hybrid gasified.. I love Subaru so I’m in!