Subboor Ahmad On The Fall Of New Atheism And Our Need For Meaning

[@SubboorAhmadAbbasi]

Amanullah is the most creative host I’ve encountered in a long time, he generates questions on the spot and blends different concepts together in a meaningful way, Alhamdulilah

[@Killa_3]

Do tell the audience how you've been mocked and shown to be intelligent on the subject of evolution, you and hijab remember that evolution biologist laughing in your face when you tried to explain the Islamic concept of creation lmao 🤣

[@RayOfHope8]

🌹🌹🤲🤲🍉🍉❤️❤️

[@chtayab7891]

Subboor bhai please we need your content on prof taimur laal debunking his Darwinist and false islamic history lectures... he is a Marxist and influencing our youth a lot, jazakallah ❤❤❤

[@ali-55928]

how can I contact you? the place to contact you on your website is not working

[@arworkid]

How do we make sure that Aman didn't have you write that comment on gunpoint?! 😭

[@n0ne0ne]

2:05:19 "In the natural selection of ideas, the truth will always be selected" - Subbor Ahmad

[@gadogadopedes2303]

You guys are awesome.. Love from Indonesia. Btw More Muslims should give Suboor a platform to speak.

[@mansurbaloch6622]

MashaAllah! Br Saboor is a gem. Welcome back Saboor Bhai

[@eldagon9306]

Much love for brother Subboor! Jazak Allahu khairan for you both!

[@kook.vengeance]

0:00 MashAllah you beautifully put together the different discourses of darwinism and Marxism and secularism,you just changed my perspective and opened a lot of doors for me. Aman is good host who take out the best of his guests.you should invite him on eon reloaded for urdu audience

[@umairarshad2206]

oh my god. i was just going to request you for inviting him. my favourite speaker, brother subboor.🤩

[@ismailallana5912]

Amazing discussion MashaAllah. I bet our liberal podcasters who love "intellectual discourse" will never call brother suboor to their podcast they simply dont have that kind of tolerance to listen to such views.

[@ahmedajlan9149]

Can’t think you enough brothers for such a GREAT podcast. Mashallah!

[@muhammadrafiafaq3069]

thank you so much EON for such knowledgeable full of wisdom podcast.may Allah give you huge rewards.

[@zk9961]

I never really understood fully the beauty of these discussions till i saw it broken down here nicely. Jazak Allah Eon and Dr Suboor

[@balafied]

It's always enlightening to listen to Subboor... whether it's at the speaker's corner, a debate or a podcast. Looking forward to seeing him at EON more often. Kudos to team EON for another knowledge rich podcast

[@abbasiabbasi7518]

I think it would've been better if we had interviewed saboor in urdu. Because many people already have heard saboor's content in English as for urdu we lack people like him in our country. It could've been beneficial for those who can't understand English.

[@hasantariq-td7bb]

You can find his Urdu podcasts with Muhammad Ali (youth club) and raja zia. The one with Ali Bhai "atheism and our youth" is very very good.

[@abbasiabbasi7518]

@hasantariq-td7bb Yes, but it's always less considering the experience saboor has and the lack of such people we have in Urdu language. It's just a suggestion not a critique.

[@rameezrazzak]

Most content they’re commenting on is also hidden from Urdu-only audience; it won’t add much value.

[@thechosenone2786]

Don’t most Pakistanis already speak English? When I visited in the 90’s everyone I came across in Karachi spoke English as it was an unofficial second language of Pakistan. So I find it a bit amusing when you say some people don’t understand English in Pakistan.

[@purposeoflife47]

Brother Saboor is my teacher when i was confused with atheism

[@deepsareen1]

He himself is confused

[@Bilal_Abu_Abdillah]

@@deepsareen1seems more like you are, he studied more than you ever could

[@deepsareen1]

@@Bilal_Abu_Abdillah Cramming / reciting is no match for questioning and understanding though

[@sarahhopeful6683]

Of course you would say that! That is the easiest response you could think of. Yes just dismiss your opponents as confused , ignorants of fools​@@deepsareen1

[@YtXY-fs3qc]

​@deepsareen1 Another Man Doing Sarcasm Because he has nothing To Answer (Makes Sense to do Sarcasm and Strow man fallacy beacause of a believer in atheism/darwinisn😂😂😅)

[@Professordowney]

mashallah good to see Saboor every time.

[@baseeransari7198]

What a fruitful discussion. Such good questions and equally good answers.

[@theredomar]

what an intellectual treat 👌

[@THEmongo0se]

Thanks

[@passionbasit991]

Excellent and Logical Analysis. Ma-Shaa-Allah عزو جل ! ! ! May Allah عزو جل guide all of us towards his path of TRUTH. Aameen ! ! ! My salute for all the TRUTH Lovers. Al-hamduLILLAH عزو جل ! ! !

[@deepsareen1]

Islam (or any other religion) and Logic / Truth are mutual enemies. Earth can not be fixed with Sun going around it. It is hopeless for anyone to defend 6th Century information in front of 2024 facts. Evolution is indispensable to Biology. Science has always corrected its theories; such flexibility is missing with Religions; who are forced to All or Nothing choice. Next the role of religion in Global strife centres (wherein Islam is nearly a constant presence) is obvious as daylight and Humanity can not afford more of this. The minimum acceptable denominator in terms of Human (and even Animal) Rights is not fully compatible to Religious ideologies so STEM sciences, economics, management, governance has to draw from modern broader human experience and not some dated script evolving in a limited geography.

[@homtanks7259]

jazakAllah'u khairan

[@moosoo13]

Great podcast, brother Subboor is a wealth of knowledge mashaAllah

[@emirbfitness]

Great listen

[@usmaansial]

While our Ulema are fighting over petty things. Brothers in the West are striving to safeguard the ideological boundaries of Islam. May Allah protect these brothers.

[@titaniax03]

That's just here in the subcontinent not other countries

[@NotiBoii-c6l]

only barelvis and plumberies are dumb

[@sha587]

Some Ulema, not all.

[@ali-yp3yw]

Folks abroad build their work over the classical works taught and preserved by the ulema, so put some respect on their work and role please.

[@usmaansial]

@@ali-yp3yw Yeah Reapect them saying. O Sura, Plumber, Harami, Jahanami.

[@danialecon3386]

This was such an amazing and informative episode. Thank you for bringing Subboor bhai team Eon.

[@Raf-bn9lj]

Alhamdulliah great to see Brother Subboor Ahmad in Pakistan 🇵🇰♥️

[@soldierofmehdi]

Fantastic podcast 👍

[@hasantariq-td7bb]

What a brilliant guest. Subboor Bhai 💯

[@deepsareen1]

Yes an Islamist Ideologue and an actual graduate from Birbeck University (an "evening college' ); Excellent antecedents from an ivy league quality university!

[@sarahhopeful6683]

​@@deepsareen1Your comments of this video only show your desperation to dismiss your intellectual opponents by belittling them. That is a weak attitude. In the field of ideas you would prefer to shut up your opponent instead of coming up with a worthy intellectual rebuttal.

[@rizwanfile]

Saboor bhai is brilliant as always, to the point and full of knowledge, with simple examples so we can understand his points easily. And Amaan bhai came prepared this time with really good questions and counterarguments. A treat to watch. Thank you, eon team.

[@Farrukhsiyar159]

Jazak Allahu khayr

[@sfb1219]

Good job you got this guy on ... he's good

[@3Crumbs]

Good discussion.

[@ummrawamus]

THE TRUTH of TAWHEED will break through all of the noise. 2:05:26

[@ummrawamus]

subboor bhai. salaaammmm

[@mohsinafzal7022]

❤❤❤MashaAllah ❤❤❤

[@umairmudassar3152]

Happy to see him on eon channel ❤

[@asadasadaz]

Amazing video

[@Raf-bn9lj]

May ALLAH SWT help us to Establish Islami Nizam E Shariat O Khilafat in Pakistan In Sha Allah Ameen 🇵🇰🏴♥️

[@deepsareen1]

If Allah has not helped you in last 77 years why would he do it now? Logically speaking either Allah does not have power to do it or else he does not want that. You can have your puck.

[@atifsaeed954]

Loved it

[@TheDragonaf1]

1:04:00, 1:07:00, 1:47:00

[@asim5g]

If possible....We want another podcast in Urdu on eon reloaded.....please

[@shahzansadick1248]

Pure Gold

[@zabrwakix343]

Wow

[@DetInspectorMonkfish]

The idea that science in general and evolutionary theory in particular undermines theism is the standard academic view. It is not something that stands or falls with Dawkins. Michael Ruse for example, despite presented as an opponent of Dawkins by Subboor, explicitly and consistently agrees that Darwin allowed for intellectually fulfilled atheism.

[@aali8874]

وَعَلَيْكُم السَّلَام وَرَحْمَةُ اَللهِ وَبَرَكاتُهُ

[@moto6981]

Taking a quick break sounds so much more elegant than just saying, 'I need to pee,' don’t you think? 😅😂

[@istriver.]

Adnan Rasheed next please

[@Daastangooo]

What happened to that Ahmad Javaid podcast?

[@aali8874]

وَعَلَيْكُم السَّلَام وَرَحْمَةُ اَللهِ وَبَرَكاتُهُ

[@chtayab7891]

Love it finally someone from Dawah legends ❤❤❤❤

[@saliksayyar9793]

Lysenko , incharge in the Soviet Union did not believe in genetic transmission. Fir them everything was the environmental and culture

[@ShafiqunNisa-l8t]

Sir I m student of international relations and have grip on BRICS. My thesis is also on the same topic . My I share my point of view about it?

[@jam-lm1sz]

Yes but with INDIA it will fail.

[@SR-df9jd]

Not related to this video, but for a completely different perspective of life as a Muslim youth in the UK during the more violent 1970s and 80s, and how those experiences influnece their current life, please consider having ex Punk Rocker Aki Nawaz on , and also the ex football hooligan Riaz Khan. They will offer some eye opening accounts of the underbelly of UK life.

[@deepsareen1]

Why go and stay in UK then; why not Pakistan and Afghanistan

[@mohamedalahmadani5174]

Sam Harris saying “Islam is the mother lode of bad ideas” could not be more of a compliment to our religion considering the atrocious beliefs he holds.

[@falakshercheema]

You guys are doing this all stuff from UK or is Subboor Sahib in Pak?

[@mansurbaloch6622]

he is in Pakistan

[@baanoooo]

❤️💕

[@BRMUSLIM]

❤

[@shoaibriaz3976]

You cannot go from the way the world is, to the world that should be? Who said we can't? Like, seriously?

[@deepsareen1]

No body said that. Only Quran says it is my way or highway. That is why Islam suffers so much from otherism and hatred for non-Muslims; I am sure you are aware of all relevant verses and Hadiths etc.

[@shoaibriaz3976]

So you want to say that Alex O'Connor just admitted he was not an atheist anymore? Strange.

[@casual2531]

Chill out bruv. You’ve made 4 comments already like c’mon don’t you have anything else to do than blabbering in the comment section.

[@shoaibriaz3976]

@casual2531 I had comments on the go so gave em. Well if I'm watching a useless video like this till the end, of course I don't have anything to do 😜🫠

[@nisarfazil6104]

Alex o connor, aron ra , ghalib kamal etc have replaced them.

[@Haroon-ex-hindu]

🤍

[@sohailaurangzeb6428]

Idk why I’m confuse listening this podcast 44 minutes already still confused 😐

[@shoaibriaz3976]

Bro you're not alone. And which part of the world they're living in, don't really know.

[@ExposingHindutva101]

Yeah ..... Then it's obvious that you haven't seen the title

[@AdilAminRajput-yf6ze]

Plz translate in urdu

[@Truthseeker-o9d]

Mashallah excellent

[@deepsareen1]

War on (Islamic) Terror did not start in vacuum bot followed a series of grave events culminating in 9/11 attacks in USA in which Islamic radicalism played a big part. The planners and executors of all of these grave events drew their inspiration and justification from Islam so to not to expect / witness a spurt in Islamophobia would be rather naive. Now to be unfairly judged as a supporter of that kind of radicalism will be certainly a problem for an impressionable ordinary Muslim kid but essentially it is one kind of Otherism feeding into other kind of (or counter) Otherism. And that is where the widespread Islamic scripturally professed Otherism (of all non Muslims) may be credited as first mover. In addition to this problematic theoretical grounding of Islam (that has not seen any scriptural reformation like other major ancient religions) its political nature and history of conquestory expansion are the important aspects that contributed towards shaping the events. Interestingly this unique nature of Islam (very different from other ideologies was foreseen in early 1990s by Huntington et al who extrapolated the post soviet balkanization of Yugoslavia predicted a new war of civilizations. Huntington et al postulated it partly in response to End of History theory by Fukuyama et al. but none of the two parties were neo or proto Atheists. This clash bloomed post 9/11 world with War on Terrorism in Afghanistan spilling on to Iraq, Libya, Syria, Pakistan etc a d led to Neo Atheism who were emboldened to move beyond 'passive debate' on existence of God to 'active need' for discouraging (even disparaging) and not tolerating Religion by leveraging "clash of civilisation' and 'modern scientific evidence'. Islam being more religious of the other religions has held a center-stage. Whether Neo-Atheism has fallen or not can only be a guess or ideology driven assertion but need for reformation of religion (basically re-interpretation of scriptures) is bound to arise sooner than later. This is on account of increasing hard epigraphic and archaeological evidence very likely pointing to apocryphal (vis a vis a fixed / divine) nature of the Islamic texts. Evolutionary theory is much more central to Biology and progressed beyond Neo-Darwinism (at latest 1942 vintage). Subboor Ahmed in my initial guess does not have the credentials and credibility (even Hamza A Tzortzis came up much short in their debates) of a qualified career Evolutionary Biologist of Richard Dawkins' stature, but the neat title of his book Dawkins Deselected will sure help sell more copies; and I look forward to buying that. Choice of Sapience Institute; an Islamic ideology mouthpiece, as publishers, on other hand will not be helpful. Not many realise that we are already two decades past the (under-appreciated) inorganic synthesis of Polio Myelitis virus in lab and any similar synthesis of say Cyanobacteria or early Eukaryotic life form in lab conditions will have serious implication on debate. Similar events can also happen in wake of Man’s extended search (say of life) into and beyond our solar system. Till that happens we should rather spend more time on solving urgent practical problems like malnutrition, metabolic a diseases, pollution and climate change rather than proving it was God who made Man or the other way around.

[@MsAlishaan]

You are such a lost soul! Brainwashed & disillusioned by secularism atheism & scientism. Poor you. Try delving into the philosophy of science with an open mind. You'll be shocked at how riddiculous your 'faith' in Science is. If you've dicovered a testable & repeatable method of producing life from inorganic matter, how come you aren't in the news??? Or in reputable publications???

[@jam-lm1sz]

Deposed hindutva hasina operated in the same context, democracy overlooking degradation of democratic principles

[@umairarshad2206]

amanullah bhai are you sleepy

[@RayOfHope8]

❤️❤️🍉🍉🤲🤲🌹🌹

[@Millathunmain]

Hope this one is not Amanullah mansplaining all the way through.

[@johnhammond6423]

Fortunately atheism is still here and doing very well.

[@zulfis1904]

As long as there are followers of ‘blind faith’, and irrational and unreasoned non-thinkers, there will be atheists 😂

[@johnhammond6423]

@@zulfis1904 As long as there are followers of ‘blind faith’, and irrational and unreasoned non-thinkers, there will be theists 😂

[@cosmos0909]

Please grow up , get married and have kids

[@asadahmed4993]

An atheist's existence is the most nonsensical of all.

[@Yalla12347]

@@johnhammond6423 Vast Majority of people ascribing to Atheism fall in the category of “Blind Faith”. If you ascribe to Atheism, then kindly note you have no grounds to lay claim on morality when it comes to Religion. Since your very own “Blind Faith” dictates that there is no objective morality.

[@shoaibriaz3976]

Ummmm...... But when has ethieism or agnosticism died? I mean, where do you guys live? Wallahi you need to come out of the know-it-all fantasy.

[@annankhan7397]

They are talking about the foundation of atheism and more specifically new atheism. The thought leaders of those movements are in disarray and the movement is losing steam actually and especially intellectually.

[@Killa_3]

For context, atheist's have grown the most in the last 100 years , more then most religions especially given they are not born, ex Muslims have also increased a lot , with many now having major KZbin channels, and subhoor and his fellow dawah people are laughed at here in the west

[@chtayab7891]

@Killa_3 😂😂 I wonder how one can be so ignorant. That the claims he is making in comments are so absurd that a few google searches and looking at the actual stats can be easily debunked.. by the way i am talking about you 🐖

[@MuslimStoic123]

He is hidden tanatani 😅😅 chutiy Saara I google Saar I am right saar😅😅😅

[@umairarshad2206]

if there people laugh at academics and people of knowledge then its a question on THEIR civilisation.

[@BasEkKafir]

​@@umairarshad2206knowledge of how to defend a pedophile warlord?

[@Killa_3]

Not sure what the other comment is about , but what stats? Any stats shows atheism has grown the largest?

[@stevec700]

Subboor misses the point, as usual. The selfish gene comes into play to protect our children and our tribe. Suboor also overlooks the power of something called empathy. The fact that watching others in distress causes us distress. There are mirror neurons in our brain that do this. Look at the theory that John Nash won a Nodal prize for. Nash discovered that our well being is based not just what is best for us, but what is best for the group.

[@Yalla12347]

Considering this, the enforcement of an idea on the greater society or even military conquests and invasions does not need any liberal or moral questioning simply because the group or country deems it to be good for society. So in the end its not about why did so and so do this, its more about in order for the survival of an idea or people, it is essential to expand outwards. The method used is completely part of psychology, since there is no objective universal morality to begin with.

[@ayeshamughal7331]

Wish this interview was in urdu ....🥹🫠

[@maaz87]

Tosha Khan Zani aka Musailma kazzab sani pai lanaat bayshumar bayshumar

[@thechosenone2786]

These videos would be astronomically more enjoyable if the interviewer would stop interrupting so much. This guy is the Pakistani version of Piers Morgan. 😂

[@mohammedanees1610]

1:37:34 damn feminist got vilolated

[@faisalniazi1899]

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