Subcutaneous Peptide Injection

[@themushroomwizard]

Thanks I'm one of those people who asked you and I appreciated not having to pin the neck lol

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Lol glad to hear!

[@satyajitdash-d5f]

Thanks you. This clarified my dilemma exactly the same as you explained in this video.

[@DrewTimmermansND]

My pleasure

[@tuleralph6031]

Does this also apply to intra-articular?

[@andrewprice242]

I couldn't find anyone else directly addressing this issue. Thanks for the heads up

[@DrewTimmermansND]

my pleasure

[@rhunter203]

Does the same apply to intramuscular injection?

[@joebest6864]

The thing is from experience of injections i have massive results injecting the area compared to not injecting the area??.injecting my stomach multiple times didnt help my knee 1 injection to the knee helped significantly.thats my look on it.

[@MemeLord-zd1ie]

This is a healing protocol that is supposed to last 3-4 weeks. I must ask with your experience did you just randomly inject a couple times or did you actually follow a regiment. If you please elaborate as to what your protocol was so I may continue my investigation regarding this substance. Any and all information is helpful thank you for your time reading.

[@WBoy-cu1fh]

I can say injecting helped my rotator way more then oral 157.

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Yea we notice that trend in a very small subset of people, but most people won't notice a difference at all

[@chadgregory2239]

Hey mate how long until u noticed?? Got all sorts of tears and tendonosis! I've only been using injection into the belly fat for a week now can't say I've noticed anything 😢

[@SupermanBB]

Seems like a very common response from the people who have tried both oral and subcutaneous injection of BPC-157

[@EyeReckon]

Might also be related to direct bioavailability with SubQ instead of enzymatic digestion/metabolism that could alter the molecules through oral

[@privatbruker5905]

​ That's pure lies, tried both pill and injection and not injecting near the spot where injury was The healing happend to be way way faster when injected near the spot and I've seen this with alot of people

[@horaceharned3830]

It does help if injected directly into the injury area and not over it, however you would have to use a very long needle and you may hit a nerve and cause more damage. My former doctor (retired now) knew were to and not to inject-he usually had a skinny 3 inch needle, so it is very risky if you are not a medical professional. Thomas DeLauer (You tube channel) had his shoulder treated that way, but if you are doing it yourself, the stomach is safest.

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Yes, injecting directly INTO the injured tissue under image guidance is superior, and we do this for patients in our office. However, this is not the same as injecting into the subcutaneous tissue OVER the injured tissue.

[@shannons323i]

I'm so glad I watched this! It's what was holding me back bcs I couldn't stand the thought of injecting my neck. Thank you so much for clarifying this!

[@DrewTimmermansND]

You're so welcome!

[@Not_Livid]

Would this work the same for my wrist injury? Injecting in my belly would transfer to my wrist?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Yes, injecting in your abdomen can help with wrist pain - it does not need to be injected near the area of pain

[@ToddDouglasFox]

Why not neural therapy to address congestion and “pain”? Abdomen, back, neck, and many other areas as well as scars can be addressed effectively and often simultaneously along with proper regenerative treatment for joints. There has to be a wide understanding of where to inject and when. Any synthetic nutrient(s) introduced into the body whether through injection or orally is risky and unnecessary.

[@BrMg01]

My question is...I'm a jiu jitsu fighter, could I take BPC 157on daily basis or do like a cycle to help on my recoveries like 3 months, stop for a month and start another 3 months and so on....?

[@turbo3point0]

Cycle

[@kevinsutube1p528]

Can lead to tumor growth so probably not a good idea to use it outside of acute injuries

[@M0stlym3answ3ll]

@@kevinsutube1p528 There is no evidence to back that statement up. This peptide specifically, has been shown to combat cancer.

[@conoreast1496]

Quality information, I use BPC 157 for my elbow tendinitis. I can confirm injecting sub Q into my lower belly fat had the same results as site injections. Plus it was far easier and injecting around the elbows hurts man 😂

[@DrewTimmermansND]

be careful spewing that logic!! people on the interwebs might call you a quack for saying this! 🦆🤣

[@Joes_Jitsu]

@@DrewTimmermansND what about intramuscular injections?

[@akfootballforever]

Do you inject it at an angle?

[@brendan817]

Did it work? My elbow is cooked

[@_Areku_]

@@akfootballforeversub-q should be at 45 degree angle

[@silent_anon404]

This does seem to be the case, from my anecdotal experience. I injected BPC157 + TB4 into the abdomen intially. It worked literally the next day and even better than I'd hoped. I then decided to inject it directly into my calf at a 90 degree angle, where the main muscular issue was. It didn't seem to work any faster than before (though admittedly, it was already working at a fast rate).

[@HomelessNinjaKennedy]

This is exactly what i was wondering. Thanks!

[@DrewTimmermansND]

My pleasure!

[@Mqx1m]

Thanks for this video! Exactly what i was looking for

[@erikkkkkkkkk1]

I will say that from personal experience and maybe this is for just myself, when injection is inserted in the area of the inflammation/pain within minutes bpc 157 temporarily Acts as a pain relief in that location I have injected only. If tendonitis is present in both right and left arm, injection in right arm only feels 100X better for 10-15 min then left arm. Overtime it heals faster then left arm by a landslide as well. Cool thing to note, and this is for me personally could vary per subject.

[@rebeccahansenskotheim3109]

So how do you do it if its in both?

[@rebeccahansenskotheim3109]

Why should you use tb500 everyday counter to 1-2 a week?

[@TheHonestFoodTeller]

Can't really agree. I cured both a tennis elbow and a golf elbow via SQ injections in close proximity to the trauma. Worked like charm, 3x 5mg vials later everything was healed (and the pain was almost gone before I even started the second vial).

[@iONLYbetWHENiWIN]

how is oral medication the same as injection??

[@DrewTimmermansND]

There are only a few peptides that are absorbed orally, BPC-157 being the most common one people know about. When injected subcutaneously or taken orally, BPC-157 is absorbed into the blood and travels throughout the body, going to areas that are calling out for help with healing.

[@iONLYbetWHENiWIN]

@@DrewTimmermansND Injectable BPC-157 is usually more effective because it’s absorbed directly into the bloodstream. Oral forms may be less effective due to digestion. Oral intake may be more convenient, but it can be less reliable in terms of absorption rates and potency. Injections often provide more reliable results. Oral administration may be preferable for gastrointestinal issues, while injections may be more effective for muscle recovery and wound healing.

[@DrewTimmermansND]

I've been using BPC-157 with patients for 6 years now, and while all of what you said sounds like it could be correct, it's not fully correct. BPC-157 arginate salt has extremely high absorption because the peptide is naturally made in our stomachs. You do require a bit higher dose, but once that is done we have seen it to be equally effective to injections in most patients. Oral is not better for GI and injectable is not better for MSK in the vast majority of people. A small study done by InfiniWell recently showed that 80% of patients who take the oral form see improvements in their chronic joint pain, which is what I've seen clinically over the last 6 years in my patients.

[@iONLYbetWHENiWIN]

@@DrewTimmermansND was this study done on humans or just rats? Injections are always more effective than orals. Like you stated, you need less of the drug and has more or an immediate effect. I'm going to stick with my injections, you keep doing what you think is right with giving orals

[@dreaisluved397]

Thanks for the information because I have pain in my wrist and I was wondering how I was going to be pull that off

[@dannyoliver7936]

Did you inject into your wrist? I’m experiencing the same thing

[@dyes1300]

Hi! How well did it work on your wrist pain?

[@justaperson7130]

I injected into the glute yesterday for the first time for wrist pain. I felt a difference in pain level. Today I injected directly into the swollen wrist. It’s still hurting extra from the injection. However the injection site yesterday hurt as well so we’ll see how I feel in a few hours.

[@deathstreak555555]

@@justaperson7130any update? i have bilateral tfcc tears and would rather not inject into both wrists 😂

[@DavidJohnson-ph8dl]

How many times a week for TB-500 at 5mg do I inject subq in the abdomen for pain in both wrists, knees, and neck?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

We use daily dosing of 500-750mcg

[@DavidJohnson-ph8dl]

@DrewTimmermansND For how many weeks?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

That is unique to each patient. If you notice benefits, it's not unreasonable to continue it for a few months, and then take a month off

[@cybermania01]

Please can you tell me where to buy the BPC-157 from a reputable place. Amazon have 95% fake BPC...

[@DrewTimmermansND]

We use the BPC-157 capsules from InfiniWell as they use the arginate salt which is the better form of BPC. To help out, we have a 20% patient discount code on our website regenerativeperformance.com/supplements (code is RP20). Once on that website, click the InfiniWell link. There are three options for BPC-157, and truthfully all of them work well!

[@shadyjay548]

where should i inject bpc 157 if i have a back injury, don’t want to damage any nerves/spinal and im not used to injecting (it’s in middle and lower back and muscular)

[@DrewTimmermansND]

As the video says, injections over the area of pain don't do anything special. Inject it into your abdomen subcutaneously

[@chadgregory2239]

How long taking 500mcg subq per day should i notice im on day 10 no releif yet and the site seems solid alot of ppl use them so im having trouble finding info

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Most people notice within the first month. What do you mean by the site seems 'solid'?

[@chadgregory2239]

@DrewTimmermansND sorry mate aussie slang lol!!! I meant where I order from online sorry for the confusion in through my first vile of 5mg now still yet to notice much 2 weeks in roughly, thanks so much for your reply

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Ohhhh!!! haha I thought you meant like the injection site is hard, which could be a complication!!

[@thebestever333]

But then how do I know, which knee it will fix?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Your body is much smarter than you think

[@markescobedo1746]

Sorry, but oral has only helped with stomach issues. Very well, but nothing for joint pain or tendon issues. Is intermuscular an option to better target the area where needed?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Intramuscular does not do anything 'special' compared to subQ other than just get the BPC-157 into your blood stream faster. We have had some patients not respond to the oral but they respond to the injectable. There are slight variations in the metabolites of both delivery methods, which may account for what we see clinically. But just because you didn't see improvements in your joints doesn't mean that oral doesn't work for joints for anyone.

[@markescobedo1746]

@DrewTimmermansND hey doc, I'm not really understanding this mixing process. Do put 100mls in the 5mg vile of Bpc? Then what would be a decent pull up dose for knee pain?

[@tobiaslang5720]

Hi so when I understand it right, t doesn't matter if I inject it into my stomach or at the pain (for example elbow?!) right? Thanks for your feedback

[@DrewTimmermansND]

you are correct

[@Kevin.Gassner]

So this means if I have a sprained ankle I can just do a sub q injection into my belly ,and have the same effect as near the area ?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

correct

[@randifolwell]

How much BPC157 would you normally inject and how often. Let’s say if you’re just getting started on a shoulder injury?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

The most common starting dose we use with patients is 300mcg, once per day. The time of day may not matter, but it may also be better when taken before bed. We normally have patients take BPC-157 for at least a month to determine if they see improvements, but sometimes it takes longer to see effects as tissue healing takes time. We then have patients continue on the BPC-157 for several months, and then we might trial taking them off to see if their symptoms remained improved or if they regress. If they regress, we put them back on it.

[@Lee-xl9fb]

What about taking oral capsules versus a subcutaneous injection? Whim would be best day for a tendinitis.

[@DrewTimmermansND]

We have seen the oral arginate salt work just as well as subq injections. We generally don't recommend the injectable version as this would require you to purchase BPC-157 from a research chemical website and these peptides are commonly contaminated with LPS, a bacterial endotoxin, which can cause really bad side effects. Instead of using injectable, we then recommend using an oral arginate salt. We use the BPC-157 capsules from InfiniWell as they use the arginate salt. If you want a discount code, we have one for our patients on our website regenerativeperformance.com/supplements. Once on that website, click the InfiniWell link, and then choose the product labeled 'BPC-157 Original 250mcg'. This is the version that does not have SNAC, which we find works better. As for time of day, I would do it on empty stomach after your PT or exercises that you are doing for the tendonitis

[@goodjuju54]

Thanks. Just the information I was looking for!

[@DrewTimmermansND]

my pleasure!

[@SanjinHuremovic]

So I have tendonitis or tenis elbow , I can easily give bpc myself in the belly ? And how big dosages ?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Yes subQ in the belly works just as good as over the area of pain. We start with 300mcg once per day

[@SanjinHuremovic]

@ thank you doctor so much 🙏🏻

[@Newpilote]

Does the BPC-157 have to be mixed with a water when it comes in a vial marked as powder??

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Yes, it gets mixed with bacteriostatic water

[@markrees6792]

Tried oral BPC157 for tendonis in my wrist which is really painful. Seemed to help after about 3 weeks in but now the pain has come back to the point where I feel like I'm back at square 1 😥. Don't know if it's work trying injections instead?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

hmm that's really odd. Which brand of BPC-157 did you use? If you are working with a physician and can get injectable BPC-157 from a compounding pharmacy, then that's great. If you aren't, then we don't recommend the injectable version as this would require you to purchase BPC-157 from a research chemical website and these peptides are commonly contaminated with LPS, a bacterial endotoxin, which can cause really bad side effects. Instead of using injectable, we then recommend using an oral arginate salt. We use the BPC-157 capsules from InfiniWell as they use the arginate salt. If you want a discount code, we have one for our patients on our website regenerativeperformance.com/supplements. Once on that website, click the InfiniWell link, and then choose the product labeled 'BPC-157 Original 250mcg'. This is the version that does not have SNAC, which we find works better.

[@adammisuraca5701]

Ruptured Plantar Fascia is what i’m suffering from so there’s no benefit injecting at the injury site a subcutaneous injection will serve the same purpose ?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Correct, just inject subQ in the abdomen. No added benefit of doing it over the site of injury/pain

[@maryjade1000]

How do you order a quality peptide ? Injected or oral. Ao many brands! I have ankle tendonitis

[@DrewTimmermansND]

If you are working with a physician and can get injectable BPC-157 from a compounding pharmacy, then that's great. If you aren't, then we don't recommend the injectable version as this would require you to purchase BPC-157 from a research chemical website and these peptides are commonly contaminated with LPS, a bacterial endotoxin, which can cause really bad side effects. Instead of using injectable, we then recommend using an oral arginate salt. We use the BPC-157 capsules from InfiniWell as they use the arginate salt. If you want a discount code, we have one for our patients on our website regenerativeperformance.com/supplements. Once on that website, click the InfiniWell link, and then choose the product labeled 'BPC-157 Original 250mcg'. This is the version that does not have SNAC, which we find works better.

[@damiansalinas6392]

Thank you very much for this detailed info. Is there any other term used for reconstitution syringes? Because none of my local pharmacies have any idea what that is. Diluent syringe, sterile syringes w/ luer lock tips, and large plastic syringes are some of the terms that show up when I enter "reconstitution syringe" online but I'm not sure they're the same thing.

[@DrewTimmermansND]

It's just a larger syringe and needle. But you should be able to call your local pharmacy and ask them and they will 100% know what that is

[@damiansalinas6392]

@@DrewTimmermansND Awesome, Thanks again for the info! much appreciated

[@DrewTimmermansND]

my pleasure!

[@kodymack4432]

What about injecting intra muscular for knee pain like a meniscus tear. Does that work the same as subcue injections

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Yes works the same. Faster absorption but based on the studies that doesn't matter.

[@anneheimking4690]

​@DrewTimmermansND I just read a study by National Library of Health (NLH) that showed intraarticular injections at the site of injury work well. Obviously this is something only highly trained Health Care practitioners can do. My question is, is there someone that would do them?

[@justinspike1669]

Isn’t bpc157 better if it’s near the sight?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Nope. That's bro science

[@KelvinLee-y4f]

Thank you for sharing the info!! Do you think 157 could help for wrist (specifically TFCC and ECU) strain healing? I am thinking to try the oral form of 157 for above issue.

[@DrewTimmermansND]

yes it definitely can! We use the BPC-157 capsules from InfiniWell as they use the arginate salt. To help out, we have a 20% patient discount code on our website regenerativeperformance.com/supplements (code is RP20). Once on that website, click the InfiniWell link, and then choose the product labeled 'BPC-157 Original 250mcg'. This is the version that does not have SNAC, which we find works better. The most common starting dose we use with patients is 500mcg, once per day on an empty stomach. The time of day may not matter, but it may also be better when taken before bed. We normally have patients take BPC-157 for at least a month to determine if they see improvements, but sometimes it takes longer to see effects as tissue healing takes time. We then have patients continue on the BPC-157 for several months, and then we might trial taking them off to see if their symptoms remained improved or if they regress. If they regress, we put them back on it.

[@richardhtx]

How is taking an oral medication the same as sub-Q? Doesn’t the stomach acid destroy some of the meds, and doesn’t it affect the kidneys and/or liver? Seems like injection that gets absorbed into the bloodstream would circumvent some of the digestive issues.

[@seanthegod4585]

Yes, injection is far superior. Oral bpc still has benefits, but 40 to 60% is denigrated in the stomach.

[@ActivateTrueHealth]

I think he makes this claim because he sells an oral bpc supplement. Oral is definitely not the same as injecting

[@JaxF-q5e]

Yea I had the same question when he mentioned that 😂

[@DrewTimmermansND]

that's incorrect for the arginate salt

[@DrewTimmermansND]

I make more money by people paying my new patient fee for me to prescribe them injectable BPC-157. I make this claim because the literature supports it, and our clinical experience supports it over 7 years. We use oral in our patients

[@tfaseffiS]

There must be some kind of Mind of a matter thing too because inject around the pain area you will hyper Focus your healing

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Yes there could be belief effects or placebo effects from local injections

[@bboyscam9727]

I injected close to my plantar fasciitis, shoulder pain etc and noticed much better results! I don’t know the science but I can tell you I think you’re wrong.

[@noworriesman]

You missed the takeaway. It's going to work anywhere you inject it. It's not going to work better because of where you injected it

[@JRHillJR]

I noticed the same thing

[@jamesvotta1573]

Injectables are better than orals. It’s a known fact, get your facts straight.

[@ALECGeoSimonian]

if taking the peptide orally, how LONG does it take to feel results? What have you seen in your practice in terms of different ailments? Thank you :)

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Most people notice results within the first 2-4 weeks. We have used this for a wide range of chronic pain conditions head to toe (too many to name!)

[@advisorhunters8283]

Oral has the same effect as sub-q ??? really doc???

[@AnonymousUzer]

Does the oral bpc you sell help speed up labrum recovery? I already got surgery but would like to know if there's any way to speed it up

[@DrewTimmermansND]

We don't have evidence to say that it will speed up healing in labral tear or repair, but mechanistically we believe that it would

[@lanael7278]

Could you talk about increase in vascularity due to BPC157 and TB500 in unwanted areas like uterine fibroids? Is it risky to administer these peptides for women?

[@Joes_Jitsu]

What about intramuscular? I have read about tingling or Nero issues. Is this a side effect?

[@EsseQuamVideriSe7en]

I was hoping he would have answered your question here. As I have the same question. IM or Sub Q? Same diff or an advantage for either?

[@Phero18eighty]

Thank you. Im not great with needles, and was wondering what the smallest length needle I can use? I was hoping to go with 4-6 mm

[@mattr9089]

6mm

[@Pokevonn]

Where’s the best source for oral bpc

[@DrewTimmermansND]

We use the BPC-157 capsules from InfiniWell as they use the arginate salt. To help out, we have a 20% patient discount code on our website regenerativeperformance.com/supplements (code is RP20). Once on that website, click the InfiniWell link, and then choose the product labeled 'BPC-157 Original 250mcg'. This is the version that does not have SNAC, which we find works better.

[@frangipani-dreams]

My issue is having issues in BOTH shoulders, so I'd rather not be doubling up my injections (with BPC-157 and TB500) if I can just do it sub-q in my belly. That would certainly make my life easier. The literature and science (albeit limited in humans) is solid, but as is often the case where that science isn't backed up by extensive human testing/trials, the anecdotal bro-science can be very persuasive.

[@DrewTimmermansND]

just do it subQ in your belly!

[@frangipani-dreams]

@@DrewTimmermansND Thank you. I have 10mg of BPC-157 and TB-500, and therefore I was thinking of taking 500mcg/day to keep things simple, and so they last the same time. So 3.5mg of each per week. Does that sound reasonable?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Yep

[@lawrencedavis5459]

I took the oral bpc and it absolutely helped with pain in my hands and general energy levels i felt fantastic, im just getting ready to do another round by injection

[@DrewTimmermansND]

why do injection if the oral already helped you? Especially with the risk of endotoxins in the injections from online websites?

[@jibbo123]

What's a good place to buy peptides

[@mandaloin]

Is there a reason the abdomen is your go to injection site? I find less pain injecting into the fat just behind my hip, right under where my pants waistband sits. Is injecting there just as effective?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Just as effective there! It's just easier for most people to pinch and reach their abdomen!

[@Bernardfitness419]

Where are you guys getting it? Lots of fakes out there

[@DrewTimmermansND]

We use compounding pharmacies

[@magicishappening586]

I took oral for a month and no improvement on my chronic back pain. Will injections be a better option?

[@ciaranwilliams1252]

Yes. Oral is just for gut health

[@DrewTimmermansND]

oral works for MSK as well

[@DrewTimmermansND]

We notice that a small percentage of patients who don't respond to oral will respond to injectable, but it's not a high amount. Oral works for both gut and MSK issues (despite what other people claim; we've dosed thousands at this point with oral and have seen amazing healing for MSK issues). But, injectable is gone because of the FDA, and we don't recommend buying injectable online as those research chemical websites are often contaminated with endotoxins. If you didn't respond to oral, AND you used a high quality arginate salt like InfiniWell, then you likely aren't a responder to BPC. If you didn't use the InfiniWell brand, then I would recommend trying that for a month. To help out, we have a 20% patient discount code on our website regenerativeperformance.com/supplements (code is RP20). Once on that website, click the InfiniWell link, and then choose the product labeled 'BPC-157 Original 250mcg'. This is the version that does not have SNAC, which we find works better.

[@ciaranwilliams1252]

​@@DrewTimmermansNDso whats your opinion on someone recovering from a ruptured achilles tendon. Oral or injection ?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Before the FDA was stupid and banned this from compounding pharmacies, I would have said either (although oral is cheaper than compounded injectable). But now that the only way to get injectable is research chemical websites that are notorious for being contaminated with endotoxins, I would say oral arginate salt.

[@dannyoliver7936]

I have two torn wrist ligaments, if I did this where would I inject?

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Did you watch the full video? The answer lies in the video

[@AJP1624]

Since BPC-157 “Enhances the Growth Hormone Receptor Expression,” do the receptors not work as well when you stop taking it? Will you build a tolerance?

[@kevinsutube1p528]

You don’t want to just continue taking it anyway. Can lead to tumor growth

[@lachiemodica8283]

What is the best needle to use for SUBQ ?

[@mattr9089]

0.25x6mm

[@tfrost08]

Oral is not the same as any injections. I jwctions are far more effective than oral because its bypassing the liver and GI systems qhich ia gping to break down and degrade the peptide before it eveb reaches the intended area.

[@DrewTimmermansND]

Yes all of that is true, with a few exceptions. Oral BPC-157 is one of those exceptions

[@Train.Fast.Read.Sleep.Repeat]

@@DrewTimmermansNDwhat about oral GW1516?

[@markescobedo1746]

​@@DrewTimmermansNDdoc, wouldn't this only apply to how much inflammation or issues with the gut that someone has. Bpc did wonders on my gut but nothing for my joint and tendon achs

[@chiaricharlie6608]

It is systematic .

[@Cryogenictrucker]

Do you have exosomes?

[@hocestbellum3258]

Wrong

[@M0stlym3answ3ll]

I appreciate the fact and truthful science. That said, bro-science is where superstition, anecdotal-evidence based encouragement and gains-voodoo meet. It’s better bro 😎. (Also, if I understood you correctly, which I’m sure I may not have, there’s no way oral and subcutaneous efficacy are the same.)

[@heavymetaltiger-pw6dz]

Or like both sides of your neck and the back of your head and the side of your head And your shoulder