Submarine vs. U-Boat - WW2's Only Underwater Duel

[@cheezytaco8511]

imagine that oh crap moment when both of them realized that their periscopes were looking right at each other

[@annoyed707]

Imagine trying to figure out who blinked first!

[@leaf3909]

Give me a ping Vasili one ping only.

[@robertbruce7686]

UK sub: fire!! German dub: shiesse!

[@IKJamBand]

Fun Fact: In order to attack U-864, Lieutenant Launders had to devise a firing solution against an actively maneuvering target on a 3D plane, which at the time was considered to be mathematically impossible under realistic circumstances. And yet, Launders was able to pull it off and HMS Venturer became the only submarine in history to sink another submarine unaided while both were submerged.

[@olengagallardo8551]

Landers was known to be a math genius of sorts and that he supposedly made all his computations on a firing solution all in his head while peering into his attack scope

[@1pcfred]

A firing solution better known as, luck.

[@waynesimpson2074]

@@1pcfred All firing solutions play the percentages. Launders had extensive knowledge of U-boat defensive tactics and had a very good idea where the enemy would turn to when he sent the first fish their way. The fish were all set ups bar one, not a 'hit-and-hope' fan spread. That was the percentage multiplier for his successful firing solution.

[@1pcfred]

@@waynesimpson2074 I'm sure hitting the track a lot he was good at playing the ponies. It is still luck though.

[@waynesimpson2074]

@@1pcfred Yes, agreed, lots and lots of bad luck... for the Nazi U-boaters.

[@fionbarraomuiri1458]

I bet Mark owns his own U boat

[@lexington476]

I'm willing to bet the picture of the U-Boat in the video is Mark's garage. In actuality I know that's the U-Boat in Chicago.

[@unclestoma4699]

@Im George Soro's and i melted the steel beams. I know right also your user name is hilarious you have genuinely improved my shitty day lol

[@janickgoudeau6126]

I think the Village of Chicago has das Unterseeboot Unterwasser Basis for their navy boats and ships in their smallest ocean waters of the Michigan Ocean it can connect to Atlantic through a system of rivers. I have seen: yawls,ketchs and Bermuda alternatives off the coast when I was kinder. Vielen Dank für Ihre Zeit.

[@lallerlarry1925]

@Im George Soro's and i melted the steel beams. ok boomer. Hope the rest will help you get some blood back in your brain♡

[@MyCam56]

Uboat 505

[@stevelloyd9859]

Love your work Mr Felton. My dad was a Submariner in the mid to late 60'. He was on two old WW2 subs. He's gonna love this video. Thank you for your great programs. Just wonderful. Thank you again.

[@wirelessone2986]

Names of subs please

[@stevelloyd9859]

@@wirelessone2986 USS SEA OWL USS ANGLER (DECOMD) USS CORPORAL MOM was a WAVE as well!! Frank Delano Lloyd My everlasting hero!! For sure! I miss him so!!

[@bobloss9112]

Thank you for not drowning the presentation under a deluge of ads.

[@markpaul8178]

Mark,I have a VHS tapes here at home and it has the captain talking about this sub on sub engagement.Thanks as always for posting the video.

[@tiny_kurgan]

One of the most amazing WW2 submarine vs submarine actions is from 1942 in the Baltic Sea when Finnish submarine Vetehinen ambushed Soviet ShCh-305. Vetehinen had been tracking the Soviet submarine during the night, when it suddenly surfaced. The distance was too close, and the torpedoes fired by Vetehinen went under the keel of the target. The Soviets tried a crash dive to safety, but the captain of Vetehinen ordered ramming speed with deck guns blazing. Vetehinen rammed ShCh-305 in front of the conning tower and shortly after the Soviet sub sank beneath the waves with all hands lost. The wreck of ShCh-305 was found in 2007.

[@vielplaysdagames2298]

Is there any videos on this I would love to watch

[@jesusfreak1700]

This is going to be juicy! Watch the ads to support the Dr. Please viewers

[@itsmers]

I couldn't watch ads if I wanted to. I pay for youtube premium. Does that mean the content provider makes less money off the views?

[@Fz-bo7sm]

Emerson Galvao no it just gives them the ad revenue to them automatically

[@power2084]

no way. AdBlocker for the win.

[@espurr3496]

It's been 80 years and that uboat is still killing things around it.

[@justat1149]

Me: doing something Mark: posts a video Me: *important work stops*

[@thomasb1889]

Yeah, between Mark and The History Guy you can spend hours and hours and hours on their videos and not waste a moment of time.

[@djolley61]

Dr. Felton paints such an great picture with words, I was able to imagine everything as if I was watching a movie.

[@curtisnixon5313]

'Sharks and Little Fish' by Wolfgang Ott is a chilling, authentic book about his u-boat service in WWII.

[@justinstrong9595]

No propaganda crap?

[@grossadmiral1]

Müll!

[@surprisedchar2458]

Justin Strong it’s possible, though it’s generally agreed that the Kriegsmarine wasn’t as devoted to Nazi Germany and its legacy as other branches in the Wehrmacht. IE you may be more likely to find moderates in the Navy than in the Army, or most infamously the Luftwaffe.

[@curtisnixon5313]

@@justinstrong9595 totally the opposite.

[@curtisnixon5313]

@@surprisedchar2458 Admiral Canaris exemplifies the German navy's oppositional tactics e.g. he leaked Nazi secrets to the Allies . . . and was executed for treason in 1945.

[@hydorah]

War is hell, that's for sure. Mark's delivery does these events, the tension in the situations, the courage and sacrifice of those involved, appropriate justice

[@LI4MW00DLAND]

This is the only place for learning on KZbin that is safe from ads.

[@jimc.goodfellas]

Marks main channel is going to hit a million subs soon. Some of the best content there is

[@marcd7543]

Mark....another incredibly detailed....highly informative ...perfectly written (and narrated) segment.... The best channel of its kind

[@superjonboy873]

I'm really enjoying these War Stories, I'm self employed and these are great to listen to while I work. Thanks for all the great content Mark!

[@CDeanhartman]

The submarine shown is U-505, a Type IXC u-boot captured on June 4, 1944, now located at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, Illinois. As a member, I’d encourage anyone to come; it’s an amazing exhibit with excellent on-board tours.

[@coffeepot8584]

Great exhibit! To think the U.S. Navy wanted to use it for gunnery and torpedo practice and sink it in the Atlantic. Not many forward thinkers then. Hats off to Rear Admiral Daniel Gallery for saving this U-Boat.

[@adammetcalfe8748]

The exhibit has certainly evolved over the years. I remember the first time seeing it after it moved inside; a much better home for it and a better exhibit on the whole

[@glennwilliams6522]

@Adam Metcalfe It was outside when I saw it (1993).

[@adammetcalfe8748]

@@glennwilliams6522 Nice, I don't remember when we first started going. I might not have made it there until 1994 but it may have been '93. It was a great move bringing it inside

[@p004]

Keep up the good work! When will they give you a tv show!?

[@RCAvhstape]

This is youtube, where you make your own TV show.

[@ryantrowbridge6795]

"You're a great Marine! When will you become a bouncer?"

[@nickmarksmusic]

They already have - he’s been on the History channel, Smithsonian, and the science channel for his work

[@dfox9876]

Hopefully it's never televised, and ruined with advertising interruptions... Bad enough the one or two in the videos now

[@brendantuck8734]

When "they" actually want us educated.

[@essexfarmer9610]

I'm here within an hour of it being posted. My best yet!

[@werdschonwersein]

This is a special moment for me, because for the first time, I already knew a topic to the very detail. But nice to hear the story again

[@PUBHEAD1]

I love your video channel, but these audio stories are absolutely awesome. Great to listen to while I'm puttering around the house doing chores on a Saturday morning.

[@walhalladome5227]

Mar Felton's war stories are such a great source of interesting histories that they can't be missed, thanks Mark 👍

[@theprofiler8531]

Great story. Thanks Sir Mark. I enjoy learning about individual events that make up the war.

[@thefeleapz4144]

Yes! I’ve been waiting for this story to be mentioned!!! Nice, Dr. Felton!

[@tcarroll3954]

Facinating. I'd never heard of this. As always, an outstanding story. Thank you.

[@scubadoo5263]

Thanks for another great story that keeps these lost stories alive

[@jonfoulkes3160]

Fantastic stuff, so well written and delivered. Thank you Mr Felton

[@helpdeskjnp]

God rest their souls... I hope it was quick for them...

[@jklbubbublkj7939]

yea, thats a thing I have been fighting with for a long time. On one hand they are nazis who started the deadliest war in human history, but on the other, they were just kids my age. Just kids killing kids.

[@helpdeskjnp]

@@thepatriot8514 I couldn’t agree more with this comment. Excellent point!

[@solhamer3502]

Yeah the rank and file didn't start shit, they served their country with bravery and loyalty, with ferocity, and of course the atrocities we all know about took place but were not the doings of every German soldier. It is evidently dehumanising to call people "nazis" but we don't care because they were the villains - though the true villainy came from Hitler, not from the average German soldier. One has to hope that all the dead of WW2 can now rest in peace.

[@helpdeskjnp]

@@solhamer3502 Fantastic points sir.

[@thepatriot8514]

Sol Hamer thank you 🙏 friend

[@PeliKarhu600]

There's one other submarine duel, on 5 November 1942, Finnish submarine Vetehinen rammed Soviet submarine ShCh-305 and sank it.

[@Vamppas]

I was just coming to comment this same thing.

[@OHFORPEATSAKES]

And the Dutch submarine O-21 sank the U-95 on 28 November, 1941 in the Mediterranean. Not an underwater duel.

[@leeboy26]

Yep, but not an underwater duel.

[@pcguysoffgridcabin]

A american sub sank a U boat in the Pacific but I believe that was on the surface

[@lukum55]

There are dozens of cases all througout ww2 where submarines sink each other, the point here is that the HMS Venturer vs U-864 duel is the only one where a submarine sank another while both were submerged, in all the other cases at least one submarine was on the surface.

[@NunoxFerreira]

Only time in History that KZbin was used to LISTEN a story from WW2....and what a terrefying and dramatic one!!! 👏👏👏🤗

[@PRFDK]

Would be awesome if you would be uploading these as podcasts. Thanks for the always high quality.

[@TheTiacat]

Who are the people that “dislike” these informative videos? What is there to “dislike”?

[@柱惠扈]

Thank you Mark Felton. This great story remonds me of the novel and movie The Hunt for Red October.

[@stansbornak8116]

Imagine being a passenger on this..........I'd want my money back!

[@24934637]

Can't ask for a refund when you are dead!

[@davidpeters6536]

Wow, great story that never made it to the big or small screen. Thanks Mark.

[@matthewbratton3825]

Very well done. Like your spin on the whole story.

[@ngbc5342]

Brilliantly researched story, well told!

[@nytnapoli8327]

Thanks, I've been asking for more submarine content

[@tsmgguy]

Great, thanks! Always enjoy your work. By February, 1945, Allied airborne search radar had advanced to the point that a U-boat snorkel could be detected. Running submerged no longer offered much protection, especially since lookouts could not be posted.

[@lilidutour3617]

3 cm radar will pick up small targets such as a snorkel....BUT it has to be tuned properly and the operator has to know what they're doing. These sets tend to get a lot of clutter the closer you get to the contact.

[@sailordude2094]

Lucky shot. Glad it was on our side! Thanks Mark!

[@haroldestep8264]

Another outstanding video!!! Please keep the Kriegsmarine videos coming!! Thank you, this is my favorite channel on KZbin!

[@N2NDF]

Love your content! Always learning something new from both your chamnels! Keep them coming!!

[@GdaySport]

Imagine being on that British sub in shallow enemy waters with orders to sit and observe an enemy submarine base with your periscope up in broad daylight!That must have been nerve wrecking... One mission and you would ho home with grey hair I reckon.

[@dikkekutgekut4582]

Atlantic sea water is murky....now imagine the same order for dutch and british submarines in 1941 in the CLEAR waters off malaya and borneo.....

[@bragr_]

My guess is they didn't have their periscope up most of the time. Just listen on the sonar and then only take a look once you hear something.

[@scottcharney1091]

Nerve-wracking, also.

[@stephenju1966]

Great story. Love your video and now audio!

[@oveidasinclair982]

Two to watch tonight, thanks again Mark

[@davidlewis7658]

Thankyou Mark! I loved this look back into "somewhat forgotten" or "overlooked" history. Interesting point about the mercury too! With all the emphasis on todays polution by large corporations being a real factual problem....we tend to overlook something even more disturbing that took place for years both prior and after WW2 around the worlds oceans. Highly volitule and environmentally deadly materials carried by sea vessels of all types. Vessels sunk is just one factor considering what happens 50, 60,70+ years later....rust, corrosion releasing into hhe ocean in areas we don't even know about. I'll go one farther....radio active materials. Lost, sunk or dumped in containers now leaking....you get the idea. Even if the costs were waived of any cleanup operations like Norway's mercury problem. Others can never be accomplished by any means with the best technology available. Truly... Pandora's box....with a very, very rusted lock....and lid.🕵🤔🙏😇🖖✌😍😘🦅🦅

[@L88T88]

GREAT STORY DR. FELTON !!! BRAVO 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

[@danielgreen3715]

Always the most informative and interesting of Videos.

[@ColinH1973]

Fascinating account of a neglected episode, Mark. Thanks.

[@georgej.dorner3262]

Another unique military feat: Crew chief of an Air America helicopter shoots down a North Vietnamese Colt AN2 biplane over the Plain of Jars in Laos for the only rotary wing air-to-air victory in history. Why not a video on that, Doc?

[@bigblue6917]

I have read about this encounter but, as always, it is well worth another visit.

[@GeoffSayre]

It would really neat to learn more about Allied submarines, and how they compared to German U-boats in function and effectiveness.

[@jebise1126]

there is no allied submarine... its this country and that country...

[@dominiquecharriere1285]

US submarines did a major job in the pacific tracking Japanese convoys, their crew never got the recognition they deserved.

[@lilidutour3617]

Geoff, check out DRACHINIFEL's channel on youtube. He does Q&A sessions every sunday and has answered this very question in the past. It really comes down to what was the mission of the various submarine services. U-Boats were commerce warfare vessels. US Submarines were optimized for use in the Pacific, they did poorly in the Atlantic. British submarines were of various sizes and did well in different theaters but not so much in the Pacific. We won't go into the Italians....

[@frankryan2505]

I think the germans win the award for submarine innovation. IIRC they were the first nation to produce a true submarine, a boat which was faster submerged and would transit underwater rather than surfaced. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_XXI_submarine

[@bloodybones63]

@@frankryan2505 The Confederate States of America produced the first true submarine, the Hunley.

[@elgato9445]

Excellent Dr. Felton.

[@Mediumdave1983]

Another great episode thanks!

[@sunnyray7819]

Always love your Videos!!!! One of my Favourite channels, hands down... Much Love from the Space Coast!!!! ( East Coast Florida )....

[@KokkiePiet]

Snorkelen was a Dutch invention, captured in 1940

[@dupplinmuir113]

From Military Wiki: An early submarine snorkel was designed by James Richardson, an Assistant Manager at Scotts Shipbuilding and Engineering Company, Greenock, Scotland as early as 1916, during World War I. Although the company received a British Patent for the design,[1] no further use was made of it-the British Admiralty did not accept it for use in Royal Navy submarines.

[@jebise1126]

yes he said "germans perfected it" and its funny how they found dutch submarines with it but said this is crap and shelved it for years just to use it again too late

[@gerhardris]

On the Dutch O 19 class and O 21 class subs snorkels or trimmed dieseling was employed operationaly for the first time. As was as told in this gripping story by Dr Felton the first underwater duel.

[@thhseeking]

@@gerhardris From memory, it was for the "overseas" boats to use arounf the tropics so that they could stay relatively cooler underwater rather than run their diesels on the surface, getting cooked.

[@gerhardris]

@@thhseeking that sounds plausible. Can you remeber the source?

[@jorgeroaro]

I know that during World War II there were several duels between submarines where one of the combatants was sunk by the other, perhaps the most famous case being the U.S.S. Corvina sunk by the Japanese submarine I-176 south of Truk on November 16, 1944, just prior to the invasion of the Gilbert Islands. So, in all these cases, the sunken submarine was always sailing on the surface?

[@paradoxial1865]

I believe they would have been, this is the only case of two submerged submarines dancing together

[@14arma]

Great videos, and I believe not only was that the only time in WW2 that occurred, but also in the history of all naval warfare where one submerged vessel killed another submerged vessel. Back then they were not guided either which made this feat even more insane.

[@at6686]

There are a couple of excellent programs on this incident. One was on PBS. Having the good doctors narration is icing on the cake.

[@the1ghost764]

Excellent documentary.

[@hydrogencyanide2493]

another great video! Thanks

[@adammetcalfe8748]

Anyone remember when the U-505 was outside? This was the only reason I wanted to go to Science and Industry as a kid. So great to be able to get a better look at it now that it's exhibited like this.

[@shanemize3775]

Wow! Incredible story that was new information for me. Very well done and told, as always, Mark. I always appreciate your work and all that you do to share history with the world. Please keep the outstanding videos coming and God bless you and your family, my friend!

[@jasonarcher7268]

Love the photos of U-505. It would be pretty awesome to run into Dr. Felton at a museum in chicago.

[@James77721]

Congrats Doctor Felton!

[@sykeskills896]

I live quite near the place where the U-boat sank, the Island it rests next to is named "Fedje" and is on the west coast of Norway, north from Bergen by many kilometers. It's interesting to hear more about how this event occurred and the reasons for a U-boat to carry a vast amount of mercury.

[@SuperJay23]

theres a great video of this dual on youtube some where'ss its really well told story similar to Mark's

[@Morgan_Sandoval]

Oh hey, background image is the hometown -hotdog- boat! U-505!

[@Sicksmiley_]

Yea I noticed the same thing, go Chicago!

[@CompetentSalesUSA]

Thank you

[@MrRainrunner]

Good Job Mark!

[@carltonleboss]

Great content as always

[@hckyplyr9285]

Great! I didna know of this encounter. Thank you!

[@lifeofadventure8259]

Well I guess work can wait for 10 minutes 😊. Thank you 🙏 Dr. Felton.

[@hootsmon4723]

Perfect timing binge watching time. 😁😁😁

[@nolansgroove1359]

Thanks! new sub.

[@WarStorieswithMarkFelton]

Welcome!

[@drpancakes7897]

Thank you Mark very cool 😎

[@chadlong9614]

They should name High schools after Mark Felton

[@kaltonian]

Thank you as i always wondered if there was ever such an account of an event regarding submarine vs submarine. I have never heard much about British submarines and always wondered about their effectiveness against the uboats, you would of thought that the uboat captains were very experienced & would have took some serious tactics in cornering one, i geuss as the war drew to an end that these experienced captains were a dying breed & with the younger inexperienced captains didn't really stand a chance against a seasoned battle hardened captain. I am amazed that the Mercury containers are still there rotting away & breaking down into the sea bed, terrible. Great account Mark, thanks.

[@andrewhall7930]

Three subjects EVEN Mark has yet to make a video about 1. (Friendly) War over Hans Island. Canada vs. Denmark WAR 2. Pistol Shrimp helping the Allies Win the Naval War in the Pacific. 3. Operation Flowers are Blooming (Seychelles Rugby Team Deception War)

[@DawnOfTheDead991]

Yet in so many WW 2 movies, sub vs sub combat was considered the norm.

[@johnjgood793]

Great Job!

[@thunderK5]

Hometown shoutout for the U505 photo.

[@Whidmarke]

Absolutely love your content. If I were to give a bit of what I hope is constructive criticism-- this is kind of hard to follow. I think this is the first videos of yours that I've found the time line of the battle a bit confusing.

[@Nathan-ng1jt]

A wonderful sideshow story of the uboat War thank you.

[@kairopalmer5109]

I seen this on Smithosan Channel a while back. Really interesting.

[@average_joe8905]

Same

[@donmiller8702]

He should upload this to Deezer and Spotify

[@jensnimike176]

Great and horrific War Story. Thanks Marc. I would like to hear a general history on British submarines. I can't find much out there.

[@RemusKingOfRome]

Excellent.

[@somethingelse4878]

UBoats are beautiful, they look what they are, sleek and deadly. It never occurred to me that they had anchors

[@kk-qu1zc]

Before the video starts I'm placing my bet on the U-Boat *******....

[@steveperreira5850]

Wrong, the U-boat was relatively un-armed, But you wouldn’t have known that from the title.

[@kurtschuster8078]

We looOOOse

[@letoubib21]

@@kurtschuster8078 'Cause you're wasting too many Os *. . . ;.)*

[@crogeny]

@@steveperreira5850 U-864 had 6 torpedo tubes (four bow, two stern) and was armed with 24 torpedoes. When he was stalking U-864 Launders knew that the German sub could fire its stern torpedoes at him when it switched into the alternate leg of its zigzag pattern. Nonetheless despite this risk Launders stalked U-864 until he had the targeting info that he needed to ensure a likely hit. Launders displayed great seamanship and cool thinking when faced with a well-armed opponent.

[@alejandrodecesare5929]

Metoo

[@stevew6138]

That looks like U-505 in Chicago.

[@letoubib21]

What do ypu expect to look like by another Type *IX* boat?

[@stevew6138]

@@letoubib21 It may have more to do with the building it is housed in that makes me think so, bugwit. After all, Sherlock, there's what, less than a dozen type IX's left on display worldwide? PS, get Grammarly, you need it.

[@danielclaudio5764]

Both y’all need to chill lmfao

[@stevew6138]

@Jack Wehrung Yes, type IXC

[@stevew6138]

@Jack Wehrung The IXC's were large ocean going U-Boats with a range of about 15,000 miles and were used to great effect off the east coast of the US (for a while). The "milk cow's" were type XIV supply boats, (U-Boat tenders)

[@RobertDeloyd]

Excellent!

[@clydeblair9622]

Just excellent.

[@1pcfred]

Now that you mention it I have heard about the leaking mercury.

[@maxrpm2215]

Too good 👏👏👏👏

[@steveshoemaker6347]

Vielen Dank, mein Freund..!

[@Phoenix-ej2sh]

I seem to recall reading that this was the first use of passive sonar target motion analysis, where the sound guy was plotting the zigzag pattern using TMA and got torpedoes on target by predicting the next turn. I can't seem to find a source now, however.

[@OLzSStolz]

The first question is why the Germans didn't try to sink the British sub? Giving the fact that they probably had no full torpedo payload because the U-boat was on its shipping mission, they definitely had some for self-defence and they surely had nothing to lose in their dire situation. The second question is if they had Bald decoys that the German U-bouts used to divert allied destroyers. You may call me an Internet warrior and a Silent Hunter captain but according to Dr. Felton's narrative it appears that the German captain was commanding his U-boat rather poorly. Consider the fact that he kept his periscope and and radio antenna for a long time above the sea surface which surprised even the British captain.

[@elmerofairo]

That sound must have been horrifying. I imagine the British crew probably didn't celebrate.

[@dasboot5903]

Probably NOT !!!! Brits were in the same position as Germans. It was a matter of a speed of decision making and such a good luck !!!! Horrifying moments !!!!

[@edwardd9702]

The sound of Japanese submarine I-52 being located by a air dropped pattern of sonobuoys(swishing of the propellors) being torpedoed and the sound of the escaping air and crunching of the hull is available online. The submarine sound detected by the sonobuoys was recorded onto wire and then onto a record to be used as a training aid post war.

[@butthead3722]

Edward D where pls

[@edwardd9702]

​@@butthead3722 maritime.org/sound/sonobuoy2/record19.mp3 maritime.org/sound/sonobuoy2/record20.mp3 XIX. These are sounds heard during actual anti-submarine operations during WW II. These are pieced together from the attack on Imperial Japanese Navy submarine I-52 by PBY aircraft from USS Bogue during 1944. Icon for MP3 XX. Continuation of the sounds from the attack on Imperial Japanese Navy submarine I-52

[@edwardd9702]

@Nadnerb The 3rd The Fido homing torpedo had a relatively small explosive content. I'd bet the sub was locked down and most of the crew survived until the doomed sub hit crush depth. There's a youtube vid about some spivs who want to recover the two tons of gold from I52. Their rpv shows the hole from the lethal hit.