Subway-Surface Trolley Lines in Philadelphia 2017

The Subway-Surface Trolley Routes 10, 11, 13, 34 & 36 or Green Lines are five SEPTA trolley lines that operate on street-level tracks in West Philadelphia and Delaware County, Pennsylvania, and the two outermost tracks of the Market Street subway with rapid transit trains using the inner two tracks in Philadelphia's Center City. All together, the five lines operate on about 19.8 miles (31.9 km) of route. (SEPTA Route 15, the Girard Avenue Line, is also a Streetcar Trolley and is designated in green on route maps but is not part of subway-surface system.)
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[@bryantmoore204]

For you to have the audacity to add "these are rough neighborhoods" just shows how out of touch you are. I grew up in most of the areas in this footage. Not saying its perfect but its far from hostile. The Trolley in southwest and west Philly is embedded in the culture. Unlike other parts of the city where its generations of people who've never been on one. Because sw and west Philly folks grew up with the trolley we know its nuances as far as traffic goes. Its these same old routes that have kept the neighborhoods stable over the decades where as in other parts of the city neighborhood instability is a way of life.

[@drumpuppy2000]

Tbf at least on video the neighborhoods might not be dangerous (I've never been there so I wouldn't know). But it does look pretty scruffy so I guess that's what the title mentions.

[@sludge4125]

I go anywhere, but, to most white people, all it takes is a few people of color to have the neighborhood labeled as rough.

[@drumpuppy2000]

@@sludge4125 oh no I didn't even think of that. It's more the cracked roads, dirty houses with boarded up windows and weeds growing in the streets. Shit looks like it's straight from the walking dead.

[@sludge4125]

@@drumpuppy2000 True. I have seen it in yelp and google reviews, though. If a neighborhood has some African American and/or Hispanic element, it’s automatically “sketchy” in some people’s minds.

[@drumpuppy2000]

@@sludge4125 well tbf these neighborhoods look impoverished as is. Even when I went to Tallinn the suburbs looked nicer than this. And that's while Estonia is only about 1/3 ss wealthy as the United States. Y'all should give your politicians more shit.

[@michaelbrinkley9323]

I ride the 36 trolley car regularly. Although in not literal terms ideal I wouldn't call them rough. Better than some not so good as others.

[@scottyerkes1867]

At one time the subway-surface lines operated with older trolleys and came up to the surface at 24th and Market. The trolleys operated to various destinations on city streets. Thanks Tim for the memoroes😀♥️

[@bentonja668]

I spent several days in Philadelphia recently, and I can see that I missed out by not riding the trolley!

[@19brittani]

i grew up riding all of these trolleys. the neighborhoods got sketchy around 49 street when i was a kid in the 70s and 80s. their was a lot more white folks around the Uof PENN campus that extended to the pharmacy college at 43rd and Woodland ave.. off campus housing and a nice city park at 43rd and Baltimore ave was a plus and the deli on the corner sealed the deal. the Wurst House sold cold beer to go and great subs .. i miss that place..lol

[@havenas1020yt]

A lot of the neighborhoods in the video are not rough... Go to North Philly around the Temple University area.. or Kensington and further northeast towards Frankford.

[@AlexLopez-rx8lw]

Try Fishtown. Wouldn't think so being next to center city, LoL!

[@RRansomSmith]

Um, Fishtown has boomed in redevelopment so idk what that comment is supposed to mean.

[@Quack4Zac]

@@AlexLopez-rx8lw What? When is the last time you went to Fishtown? Totally different than the Fishtown of even the early 2000s.

[@haroldjohnson4097]

I look forward to riding the Trolley line to the county

[@Trolleyman541]

How you gonna mention Route 10, but don’t film it. Fact you don’t even go over to Lancaster Avenue

[@steve1reg]

I'm not so sure these are rough neighborhoods. A few are, but some are quite nice.

[@andrewcrothers2000_]

Those would be the tramways of SEPTA

[@Mtsplash]

8:19 lmao

[@scottweisel3640]

Are they cheaper to own and operate than buses? I would think they require less maintenance and would last longer.

[@aloisius1950]

Apprezzato! * * * * *

[@mustang6172]

3:03 So when it stops for pickups and drop-offs, other traffic has to wait on it like a school bus?

[@sludge4125]

You betcha.

[@danielsamuels5857]

My neighborhood, Germentown, isn't so rough either. Any type of crime in Germentown is rare.

[@tkso.philly3879]

Remember Snyder avenue in South Philly?Woodbine avenue?

[@futurefirefighter9976]

Please go to Chicago. I want to do a collab with you so badly.

[@alexisdagoat5847]

No

[@Trolleyman541]

Where is the Route 10? Y’all can’t forget the original subway surface line.

[@timosha21]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHS3nZeQecuqe6s I have footage of it here.

[@RRansomSmith]

The original is the 11, not the 10.

[@sludge4125]

I was behind one of these turds when it stopped because the wiring was being worked on. I yelled to a very nice African American man closest to me; “I love it. One man working and five men watching him.” He laughed and said “That’s union.”

[@anindrapratama]

How rough is the neighborhood?

[@Jayayess1190]

anindra pratama The part of West Philly in the first few minutes is worse than the areas in the rest of the video, but it varies. West Philly is large and varies.

[@digleman1]

on the play ground is where I spent most of my days...

[@TMicah]

No more or no less than anywhere else. Never had any issue!

[@RRansomSmith]

Its not that bad. He's overexaggerating

[@matthewhernandez8342]

So rough that Will Smith will come and rub you down with sand paper then steal your shoes

[@CaseysTrains]

So......why is it only with Philadelphia you are so compelled to make judgmental comments about the surrounding. When people watch your videos, you think they gave a shit about what kind of neighborhood the transit goes through, they come from the transit. Though I'm a little offended it only your Philadelphia videos I see this kind of snarky remarks about the surroundings considering I'm from Philadelphia and watch your channel specifically to see what outside my personal bubble of reach and the few times you come to my city and it always "WARNING: Rough Neighborhoods". I feel some kind of way about that. You realize half of your NYC and Chicago videos are in worse neighborhoods than where any these trolleys service serve. Just because there are a few more visable abandoned buildings doesn't speak for the whole city. Sorry the trolleys serve the ghetto where people need the public transportation the most, but speaking on it in the snarky way that you do kind of speaks about how you feel about my city and you as a person towards proverty. Good Day. Unsubcribed.

[@respect411]

preach!!!! im from philly and i immediately thought the same thing when i saw the title

[@Wins_And_Losses]

Nicholette Casey Exactly he’s near the Unversity of the Sciences talking about “rough”😂😂 what a clown.

[@tommyhauck8597]

if its true its true.........philly, like most cities in pennsylvania have seen better days. just look at lancaster, york, reading...and any other faded city in a state that once produced more steel then any place in the world, now its a tax and regulation state brought to you by democrap liberals

[@respect411]

@@tommyhauck8597 sounds like youve never been to philadelphia or probably ever out of your own state in your life so i dont think you're qualified to comment bro, philadelphia did experience decline like the cities you mentioned but never relied on coal for any part of its economy. its service sector has come back strong and gdp is growing so fuck outta here u trump train bitch

[@tommyhauck8597]

@@respect411 it just goes to show your mentality and your lack of mastery of the english language. (irrational use of profanity only shows held in anger) my friend, you as well as all of the other distorted liberals need mental health, you cannot face truth and you act on irrational emotion. for the record, i am a real estate investor, i get into many center cities like lebanon, pa, lancaster city, pa, and york. all faded cities do their best and failing to recapture their glory days when they had strong union family sustaining jobs (the same workers that used to be democraps). those days are long gone, i personally debated the former (and democrap) mayor richard gray of lancaster city, he as all democraps do, act on irrational emotion, basically told me if i want to see factories and manufacturing he suggested i move to mexico. so you can see how the democraps no longer support the middle class, they only support perverts and misfits. regarding philadelphia, i personally had to use public transit ( the subway and trolley) had to transfer from one to an other at a street corner. it looked like an old movie studio backlot.........empty houses, some with no backs to them, no glass in the windows.........it was not even close to "rough" it was a wasteland........have you ever taken the train to nyc from philadelphia??????? the bombed out cities of europe after WW2 (thats world war 2) looked better then north philadelphia does today............empty homes, graffitti, long closed plants. so continue to live in your distorted liberal world that cannot face truth all you do is act on irrational emotion. try doing something to see what the REAL world is. such as travel, i wanted to see a crumbling socialist country, i have visited cuba four times, it is a crime against humanity to see what castro and his distorted view of the world did to a first world country......in fact all of the former socialist countries only had a fractured system of marxism imposed on them by irrational "leaders" such as lenin, stalin, trotsky, and all of the other minor players in the marxist world. most of these leaders turned on their country murdered millions to hold onto power to impose irrational and fractured ideas. have a nice day!

[@southeasternpennsylvaniara1588]

Timosha21 has the right to his opinion

[@RRansomSmith]

Yeah, but its very uncalled for to have someone who doesn't even live there talk bad about it when its not even that bad to begin with. I lived there on and off all my life and never had to worry about anything. Personal comments like that without merit or proof need to be kept to oneself and not in a public video. And, it gives off a negative impression of our system to outsiders that's just not true so think about that before you defend him on this.

[@Bomb_Productions17]

TROLLEY ARE NOT COPYING STREET CARS

[@andrewwoodgate3769]

'Rough'? Or 'poor' - with lack of investment in the local economy and the public realm, as evidenced by the poor quality public transport?

[@erwannleligerien3771]

Why is there very old public transports in the americans (usa) cities ?

[@vyacheslavmorozov6512]

maybe there is no need for the new one... or it seems they work properly after modifications

[@StairStealer]

A mixture of massive investment in public transit in the early 20th century up until 1939 and a complete lack of investment in public transit from 1945 until the 1980s as highways and automobiles were more "fashionable" in the eyes of planners during that period (and motivated in no small part by racial and social prejudices... but I digress). In Philadelphia's case, it doesn't help that the city has been close to broke for the last 50 years after the local textile industry collapsed in the 1950s and 60s, and now can barely afford to keep their existing infrastructure in operation. The trolley lines seen here still operate thanks to the subway tunnel they use through downtown necessitating trolley operation. Most of the city's other remaining trolley lines were abandoned in the 1990s due to lack of funds to replace the then-50 year old trolleys they were using.

[@erwannleligerien3771]

"In Philadelphia's case, it doesn't help that the city has been close to broke for the last 50 years after the local textile industry collapsed in the 1950s and 60s" Philadelphia was more lucky that Pittsburgh

[@janettemcclelland2959]

A.W. Beldan Same reason that the J,K,L,M and N still operate in San Francisco. If not for the Twin Peaks and Sunset tunnels,they would all have been converted to bus during the 50's.

[@o484]

Pretty much, these Kawasaki Trolleys are nearly 40 years old and still work fine, though they are scheduled for replacement within the next 10 years or so.

[@exoressdelivers70]

A trolley the size of an articulated bus seems like a poor investment. Unlike the bus that can go anywhere these bus sized trolleys are stuck going only where the tracks and power lines go.

[@aidanwilds1419]

Exoress Delivers It comes down to the fact that; these routes are some of the most heavily used in the system, without going down a maze of side streets like buses do, the students in University city often like the trolleys better than buses, the tunnel allows for 5 busy routes to be off the roads in Center City and SEPTA has to clear the streets that the trolleys run in which the city likes

[@mingotubman3790]

Exoress Delivers that's the idea... They go underground etc believe me they serve their purpose.

[@mingotubman3790]

Aidan Wilds precisely!

[@RRansomSmith]

How about actually go ride them before you complain about them? They've done the same job for 37 years with no issue. Best vehicles in the entire fleet and are very low maintenance so kill that noise.

[@RRansomSmith]

And FTR, articulated buses are 60 feet and longer with about 50-70 seats. These are only 50 feet long with 51 seats. Average bus is only 40 feet long with 30-40 seats so there's only a 10 foot difference and an increase of about 10-20 seats per vehicle. Philadelphia isn't a small city either so why you think it would need smaller vehicles on lines that see over a thousand plus riderseach hour, is beyond me. That's insane logic. Think before you speak.

[@ericday4505]

Those trolleys run mostly in southwest philly, yes those are indeed rough hoods.

[@dymiresmith1775]

Whoever was recording this did a bad job they wasn't even following the trolleys they was to busy looking at everything else u should stop recording septa period

[@jay-masteroflighting9432]

Shut up he did good