Succession - The Disloyal Case of Shiv Roy

[@Fidozo15]

We gotta talk about how Kendall is slowly becoming Logan. We gotta talk about how Roman cried like a lost boy (and made me cry like a boy too), we gotta talk about Shiv being redhead while everyone else isn’t We gotta talk about Connor being interested in politics from a very young age

[@iamliterallyjesuschrist]

Why is she a redhead?

[@kayin30]

I think we gotta talk about Greg being in the car with Matsson. Maybe?

[@orionh5535]

​@@iamliterallyjesuschrist Ressesive genes? Do they work like that?

[@allysonjafeiam]

Logan was Scottish, and there are more redheads there than anywhere else… so genetics?

[@tuni16tuni]

Despite Shiv being the only redhead in the fam I actually feel like she's the only one who realistically looks like she could be Logan's child, I think it's in the eyes and shape of the face.

[@magma4168]

Shiv is a Roy - both a terrible person and a victim of emotional abuse.

[@mystriddlery]

Is someone a victim if they subject themselves to it?

[@abrakedavra9605]

@@mystriddlery Subject themselves to it by what, choosing to be born into an abusive family? All the Roy kids are victims

[@mystriddlery]

@@abrakedavra9605 Choosing to stay. She’s an adult, she could leave whenever she wanted to, my comment was more about her as an adult.

[@habibh42069]

@@mystriddlery she simply doesn’t know better. I’m aware that alone sounds dumb, but in a place where she was constantly thrown under the bus for being a woman what seemed the most reasonable was to stay and prove everybody wrong. Besides, leaving wouldn’t be the best economic move either. Lastly, all of them are victims no matter what. All of them could have left at any point in time. But everyone’s much too broken, they try to always come on top but are completely failing to see how money can actually do good. The problem is how would they know if the people they surround themselves and what they have always known was inherently wrong? Kendall, Roman and Siobhan should have try and do what Connor did. But we all know how Connor is. It certainly wouldn’t have helped the company either, why did all of the kids left knowing they had a shot at being as good as their dad (or that’s what the public thinks, even when everybody knows how much of an ass Logan is). What is it that Logan hides that made their own kids leave. American people love a family man, or the idea of one. Logan simply would have lacked the support of a big part of the public that watches their trash. Even the majority too, just maybe.

[@MyaB1986]

I don't actually think she was a victim as much as Kendall and Roman. She was youngest and an only girl and youngest children are usually showered with attention. She's also the most entitled of the three which means she was spoiled, and Marcia calls her spoiled and everyone mentioned few times she was a favorite. She was maybe dismissed for the top job as a woman, but abused.... I really don't think so. Logan calls his sons derogatory names and her he calls Pinky. So yeah, she was his pet.

[@guillermoporras3754]

I just watched the finale, and My God this videos has aged like a fine wine.

[@smtiewul]

Yup spot on. She literally shivved him at the end.

[@VM-ve4xu]

@@smtiewul he would have done the same to her

[@oXogon80]

If Connor's eulogy was "formally inventive" compared to his sibling's speeches, I really would have loved to see it. What was it? A dialogue between his 12 year old self and the casket? Then halfway through Willa - realising he is loosing the crowd - improvised an impression of his mom being dragged into a mental institution?

[@idab9958]

Hello. I’m here as a fellow human to acknowledge that Logan has, as we know, passed on. Logan was a man. Also, Logan was the CEO of the Waystar company for 50 years. And when a man dies, it is sad. All of us will die one day. In this case, it is Logan who has done so. Logan was alive for 81 years. But no more. Now he is dead. Logan’s wife was Marcia. They were married for an undisclosed amount of years. Now she is sad.

[@caitlynmarie2677]

I’ve never forgiven her for stealing Greg’s last $20, and not even being able to recognize that she did it.

[@urmumsbaps]

It's only 20 dollars, what could you even buy with that? 2 bananas?

[@olivier3516]

he's getting 200k a year for assisting Tom in season 4 lmao

[@marykay7878]

impeccable writing! greg even tells her that this is his last money, and SHE tells HIM that thats ok. i guess she wanted to say 20 is enough for now.

[@MaiNguyen-ck4br]

​@@marykay7878she thought it's his last money in cash most people still have money in their bank account

[@angelbotagi]

To be fair she didn’t know he was homeless/broke and he for some reason didn’t just say “no” 😭

[@dragonhero14]

Looking back on the show... Logan, Kendall, and Roman have made several comments about how smart and competent she is. We later learned that Shiv never asked to work for their family company because she thought she would be denied. That shocked Logan because she never even asked him. Yes, she would be at a disadvantage , but with changing of the times and Logan promoting women in his own organization to high places of power, I can see a future where she was chosen to take over. In terms of experience, Shiv doesn't have more than the brothers. This is highlighted multiple times in the show. Even with Roman is told that he doesn't have the skills needed, he goes into management training and comes out more competent. This is recognized for the old timers and Logan. When Shiv is brought in, Logan offered her this as well since she never held a high position in the company. She didn't go through this because she thought it was beneath her. She ran into the same wall Kendall did in realizing that Logan never wanted to give up the mantle and hand the baton to someone else.

[@annkey4091]

Shiv may not have the experience or knowledge, but I still wonder why Logan kept Tom around. There has to be more of a reason than Tom loves Shiv.

[@mystriddlery]

@@annkey4091 Tom was a tool that just wanted to please, which is easy to use. Shiv wanted top seat and didnt have any drive because she just expects it to be handed to her with no demonstration of her value. Harder to use.

[@dragonhero14]

@@annkey4091 Well, I get that Tom at the minimum level of experience required for the positions he's held. He also seems to know how to run part of the organization. People don't say that he's bad at his job or he doesn't know what he's doing. They just say that the only reason he got the positions he did are because of who he's dating/married to...which is true.

[@annkey4091]

@@dragonhero14 Isn't being married to the right person sometimes enough? Truth is that Tom has volunteered to take a hit and has been taking hits since he married into the family, I guess that there are material tradeoffs.

[@dragonhero14]

@@annkey4091 I agree. That was the part of the point I was making. Tom is capable of doing the job. But I think that it's not what he wants. Especially seeing him in the episodes after Logan's death. He's managing the job, but is also suffering. Part of this is due to the siblings fighting, but a lot also has to due with the big shoes Logan left. He's had to step up significantly to keep day to day operations running as expected. I would be shocked if he either becomes the CEO, or just decides to leave it all behind him and walk away. Remember, he offered that to Shiv in Season 1.

[@nigelasipa4150]

Very interesting take. As a psychology student this makes a lot of sense from a developmental perspective. Her duplicitous nature is a defence mechanism to remain guarded and focused on her ambitions. It speaks to the toxic culture she's been brought up in as well as the societal expectations of women in corporate environments. It's fascinating.

[@iamcase1245]

Its not about gender. Even Gerri, Karolina and Rhea - the three biggest female heavyweights on the show, all acknowledge that Shiv is not cut out to be a boss. She avoids training, she avoids tough decisions, she avoids day-to-day decisions and any time she senses pressure she runs to check what "her other options are", which is a running theme throughout the entire series. Notice how every time things got hot for the family, at least ONE person questions Shiv to see if she's working with the other side or is even interested in the play. One of many plot devices the writers use to show you Shiv is the weakest of the 4 siblings.

[@victorgaray3012]

I feel like shiv is getting played by Matsson

[@kidhalloween8570]

It’ll be hilarious if Matsson names Greg CEO

[@chaonghabibdiev]

oo shit yeah, they even went partying too, that would be epic

[@hegeliandianetik2009]

​@@kidhalloween8570someone he can control and would be happy with just the title and social clout makes a lot of sense

[@cptpepper7731]

You think?

[@RCRfilmstv]

@@kidhalloween8570 I genuinely think that will happen

[@crystalbewriting]

Your final line in these videos always makes me go “Wow”. I wait to hear them. Your analysis and script writing is exceptional.

[@GonzaloAPH]

The problem of Shiv is that she thought she was more clever than what she really was.

[@flavia_barcellos]

Nobody can be trusted is this show.

[@theorderofthebees7308]

Facts!

[@MrDrezzy007]

This whole family is a nest of vipers 🤢

[@unfiltered8682]

Roman is the most loyal to the family… not the country but the family. Kendall will do anything to take the company for himself… shiv just isn’t loyal to anything

[@erubin100]

In Roman's case, is it "loyalty" or a form of Stockholm syndrome?

[@axis7879]

i think connor it's the most loyal

[@thekinghass]

Why is the right is seen in the show as the second coming of Nazi .like somehow the left have the magical stick to save everything and help everyone like .bru what the fuck with political biased and also the left have been shown to be group of privileged bricks through the show so why until season four .Roman is the only good businessman .kit is just addicted mess who have to be addicted to something from power to drugs and acts as spoiled shit that he is if he doesn’t have what he wants .and shiv oh shiv I really think everything that Tom said about her is true .she just don’t have the capacity to love to care or even know what the fuck to do with her life. The show will end and the characters I love the most and sympathies is actually Tom and ginger which are very terrible people

[@muhammadabozyied834]

​@@axis7879 You mean the unfunny joke The gold digger The weakest character of the series

[@llamapartyy]

shiv is loyal to herself, and what power she'll get

[@tomaitoe]

This aged wonderfully well.

[@williamj.dovejr.8613]

" They drew first blood, not me..." Very words that I live by.

[@fergie42069]

it's been a pleasure and an honour enjoying this show with all of you.

[@prestely]

There's something about the way you make your videos essays that make me wish I too had a youtube channel so that we can discuss opinions about the characters you portray. I was a bit freaked out you released a video just the day after the airing, so I don't know if you watched ep. 9 but your video made me watch it earlier than planned ;) I'm really glad Shiv is being given so much introspective because she has typically been so ill-spoken about over the past seasons and I felt she deserved much better (also, I completely relate to her). Is it just me or is this final season really giving it all for Shiv, Tom and Roman? (Culkin is absolutely incredible this last season) it's like the underdogs (woof) are finally given a glance of the spotlight! Also, something unprecedented in the previous season, that I would love your take on, is the siblings as a whole: it's so rare to see grown up siblings spending so much time together, and whenever the three of them are on screen, it's such a breath of fresh air! As usual, congrats! huge fan. Your videos are the ones I always look up for the most.

[@antsteradams]

Enjoyed that. I think she seemed destined to fail on her side deal with GoJo because it was only ever about cliche buzz words. Logan was right - they are all deeply unserious people. I'm hoping they all fail in one way or another.

[@muhammadabozyied834]

I don't think they will end the series with the siblings arguing and clashing. I think they will reconcile at the end because they still love each other little bit

[@SillyFrenchKing]

@@muhammadabozyied834 I think the exact opposite, maybe one will take over or maybe no one will but either way I think these people are too far gone in the succession war and loving eachother is no longer gonna happen.

[@erubin100]

@@muhammadabozyied834 any other show, I would agree, but not this one. More likely, they will all fall from grace and Greg will be the new top dog.

[@antsteradams]

@@muhammadabozyied834 not sure. That's too clean an ending for the writers....

[@muhammadabozyied834]

@Louis XVI but you can't agnore that they helped each other building a new company and at the beginning of this season they bought pierce and defeated their father whom they stood together through his funeral and grave

[@stephenholmgren405]

When Roman asked if his dad was really in the casket, then said "can... can we get him out?" :( Tears hit my eyeballs like a fire hose

[@markjagelski4335]

Its also key to mention that with Shiv around the swede she has no problem playing the attack dog, she is Mattson's Hugo as she is towards Tom. She's been an errand girl this entire season just to get a seat at the table. More so in this episode when she was in the trio conversation between Menken & Mattson, she's willing to take whatever is offered (CEO) from those she deems higher than her or at her level, to say the least Frank or even Carl, but never Tom. Tom's the punching bag that gets the release she cant give her brothers/Logan.

[@TheAngryAustrian]

Can't make a shivlette without polyamorous seggs

[@komal146]

I'm sorry, when were the brothers loyal to her? Or anyone to anyone? Those two didn't have to go out of their way to join Matteson because they already brokered a deal with each other and sidelined her. Only loyalty she should be displaying is in marriage. That open marriage shit was bad. But other than that, every character has displayed lack of integrity and loyalty in this show. Ffs, she even proved her worth outside her family business, got promised and then used by her dad as a pawn and now her brothers sidelining her. Ofc she would shiv them

[@happyclappy1805]

exactly, AND Kendall and Roman were taught to compete. THe only common cause is pleasing Daddy

[@nont18411]

Just like Skyler White, Shiv is now getting hated because she ruined the "fun" of patriarchal power fantasy. That's why it's easier for the (male) audience to hate her while siding with Kendall, Rome, Tom and Greg even though they are doing the same thing. I mean, the one who made this video is also a guy.

[@F1nn1810]

@@nont18411 but fundamentally she is a bad person and I think the reason she is disliked more than Roman or Kendall is because of the other side we see to her when it comes to Tom. She’s a toxic person in business and outside of it, whereas Roman’s driving force throughout the show was having at least some family dynamic (hence why he felt apprehensive to betray Logan and to leave Kendall at his darkest moments). Kendall is a lot less likeable this season as he seems to have become just a mini Logan, but in previous seasons the viewer felt his struggle between morals and power, even somewhat in this season. Kendall was the antihero of sorts, until Logan died. Shiv however, doesn’t have these redeeming qualities at all, the only thing she has going for her is having at least some moral views on democracy and progression, but this is undermined by the fact that she just goes for whichever option benefits her the most. Skyler was actually a good person, put in an extremely difficult circumstance, and made bad choices because of it. In BB, I think the viewer is less inclined to like Skyler because Walt is the main focus of the series (I always find that no matter how bad a protagonist is in a series I always feel that maybe they can be redeemed, and hold onto that until the end, sadly I don’t think I could say Walt really redeemed himself, even though he tried). Skyler seems to always be holding Walt back, even though she’s in the right, but because she isn’t as well established as a character as Walt is, and because she does stuff with Ted before she even knew about the meth, it’s much harder for the viewer to be rooting for her. Ultimately it has nothing to do with the patriarchy, there are plenty of shows where a woman is the protagonist and I come to hate some of the male side characters. I’m sure that many of us, myself included, have found ourselves liking Shiv at points in the show, more so than any other character, but then she does something absolutely horrible and I hate her again. That’s what makes a show like this so good! I’ve found that with all of the characters (except maybe Logan he’s always been pretty unlikeable).

[@CavalliAna]

@@F1nn1810 Kendall is a drug addict, absent father and a controlling, abusive ex-husband to Ava. Roman is an almost-Joker character who humilliates and abuses others using his wealth and power - hence the tore check in a poor kid's face and the sexual harrassment of Gerri. Therefore, they are toxic in business and outside just as Shiv is - why is her abuse of the petty parasite social climber husband unforgivable but Kendall's and Roman's aren't even mentioned? Why is she judged more harshly by the spectators? I spent all 4 seasons hating and loving the siblings equally, and I can't see how could it be otherwise.

[@F1nn1810]

@@CavalliAna firstly, I think being a drug addict doesn’t make you an inherently bad person- it just makes you a troubled individual. Sure, the two can go hand in hand, but I think ultimately Kendall’s drug abuse in earlier seasons stems from his deep dissatisfaction with his life; a fractured relationship with his father and his siblings, and ultimately his disconnect from his ex wife and daughter. His attempts to be a better father in earlier seasons fall flat because of his drug addiction, Rava doesn’t think that he’s stable enough to get back with her or be a good father, which is true, but it doesn’t make him evil, it just highlights that he’s a deeply flawed individual that doesn’t know how to cope with his emotions. I think there’s a side to Kendall, up to the end of season 3, that is relatable and we are rooting for him to come out on top then due to his personal struggles building up to that season 3 climax. I agree with you that Roman is quite frankly a horrible person, and his actions are completely irredeemable, especially nearing the end of the show, but I would like to point out that Gerry and Roman’s weird sexual relationship wasn’t just sexual harassment from Roman, it definitely went both ways for a while until Roman pushed it too far. He is an incredibly odd character, and it’s not very clear who or what he is throughout the show; sometimes he’s a caring sibling/son who just wants a loving relationship with those around him, and other times he’s a complete irredeemable monster, doing things that give the show comic relief, but are just frankly awful. Shiv is much more like Roman in that sense throughout the series; at times, she was my favourite character, showing the highest moral compass, drive and care, especially towards Kendall, out of anyone. But this is all completely undermined when you realise that she *always* has an agenda of her own and is planning on double crossing at some point. She only wants what’s best for her even if it means splitting apart the family time after time. And I don’t believe that any of the siblings deserved the company at the end, especially after Ken’s breakdown, but she only took that from Kendall out of the jealousy we’ve seen throughout. It’s like I said before, there are times when Shiv is the most likeable character out of all of them, but it’s very hard to keep liking her when all she does is betray, lie and cheat when it’s of even the slightest convenience to her, and in my opinion, that’s what makes her the least likeable. Kendall is broken, immature and unable to deal with his emotions in a healthy way. Roman is sick and twisted but ultimately what the show needed for comic relief; you never like him per say but he is downright hilarious. Shiv is broken by being looked down upon for being a woman, and has the highest moral compass, but what are morals when it’s easier just to not stick by them whenever it’s easiest, or most convenient? Shiv’s combination of Kendall’s worst aspects with her natural distrust of everyone around her and tendency to betray makes her the least likeable out of the 3 siblings.

[@crusnieto-hale3447]

and looky looky who brought the empire all crashing down, so right it hurts

[@rheaelise4540]

I feel like there are two fundamemtal differences between Kendall and Shiv. One, Kendall is more competent with the business because of his experience and because he's had to go toe to toe with Logan in a way no one else has. And the second thing is that they are both disloyal. They will both stab you in the back if it means getting to where they want. However, Shiv does so without any qualms whereas Kendall (with his idea of being a good person) may stop and feel a pang of regret. Even express said regret. But still go ahead and stab you in the back anyways!

[@bottlesofchris]

Shiv is most definitely my most hated character which I hate cause I’m a woman. I was just always so disgusted with how she treats Tom and burns every one of her bridges because they are always transactional from the start. As someone with parental trauma I found solice in beautiful stable friendships. I just wish Shiv and Rome had healthy and loving friends that could help them but they thought they were too hot ish to be friends with anyone. Both Shiv and Rome play that youngest, underserved, bratty role well. At least Ken had Stewy

[@margarethmichelina5146]

The closest friend that Shiv have is either her lawyer friend in Season 3 whom later getting hired by Kendall but then she quits because Kendall is being petty and childish and also girl Sandi. But, girl Sandi is mostly busy taking care of her sick dad and she's basically the opposite side of Shiv, being polite, calm, professional and also still respect her dad, even she feels bad to leave him in any seconds. The closest person that Roman can befriend is either the guy on Brighstar's management training, the Aljerbanian guy and also Jared Mecken. He also succesfully convinced his siblings to pick Mecken as the new president only for Mecken to ignore him at Logan's house. There is a clue that Roman might have a crush to Mecken but Mecken is married as you see his wife and kid on his victory speech. Connor also has a friend who is Maxim Pierce who is also weird and wacky like him and still loyal to him until season finale. Shiv and Roman are too unstable, they both can't even befriend at least one people genuinely.

[@naomistrand]

I'm not defending Shiv (or anyone in this show), but Shiv started talking and strategizing with Mattson because the siblings immediately started to cut her out of conversations. Kendall and Roman would be CEOs and over time began including her less and less in conversations.

[@YeahForSure99]

Yeah probably. It's a cycle of revenge and retribution. She got cut out and she felt the need to get revenge. They're all just assholes.

[@UnoHoo1]

She started even before that.

[@SuperCrow02]

And she could have made herself useful to her siblings and helped them tank the deal, potentially getting something valuable in return. But instead of even trying to cut a deal with her siblings she went straight to the devil.

[@dmaria682]

@@SuperCrow021.she couldn’t have helped them bc at first they tried to tank the deal behind everyone’s back. Shiv just figured it out first. Kendall and Roman betrayed everyone, not just Shiv, but the entire board bc they wanted to stay CEOs. 2. why would she help them even if she knew? they promised her it’s only temporary and they’d lead PGN together in not time. As EQUALS. Why would she help them stay in charge while she’s being cut out and betrayed lol. Idk what u think you’ve been watching so far but this isn’t a series about selfless characters who forgive people and don’t want power for themselves 😂 She got revenge just like any of the siblings would have

[@SuperCrow02]

@@dmaria682 That is not what selfless means lmao. She's literally working against her best interests for the slightest chance of being named CEO by Madsen. She's not being clever, she's being petty and moronic.

[@SubTroppo]

I wonder whether the writers considered that "shiv" is also the term an illicit blade used as a weapon in prisons. A little comedic nominative determinism? Either way Kendall got shivved.

[@dennisrodmanburner7348]

bro posts these at the perfect times

[@demaurimitchell3167]

Bro she’s being left out of decisions when the sibs promises to loop her in on everything that’s why she goes to mattson

[@LittleYoki]

Shivy, Shivy, Shivy

[@loudgrape28]

I think Shiv has had the greatest story arc over the 4 seasons. Even though each character is stuck in a circle and their core behaviors and issues stay the same, she seems to have changed the most. I go back and forth between Shiv and Roman being my favorite character.

[@SCharlesDennicon]

How has she changed...?

[@loudgrape28]

@@SCharlesDennicon she started working for her dad, she stopped lying to Tom, she dropped her politcal views. Basically she stopped pretending to be different from her family and started doing things to be closer to power. Go watch the pilot lol

[@malinuhhh47]

​@loudgrape28 it's pretty obvious with the way she is fired by Eavis that her political stances were entirely negotiable, if she was any sort of progressive she wouldn't be anywhere near ATN and *definitely* wouldn't have been anywhere near Mencken. She caves in both situations.

[@loudgrape28]

@@malinuhhh47 I agree with you, I never said she was progressive. I said she was pretending to be different from her family. Part of that pretending (whether she was fully aware of it or not) was trying to support a different political agenda than her dad in the beginning

[@rebeccag8589]

There is a lot of Shiv hatred by a lot of fans (or at least people who comment online) that's disproportionate to her actions and much stronger than anything said about the brothers (or Tom or Greg). It's difficult to not connect that with her gender. When you just look at their actions objectively at this point, they are all bad people in different and overlapping ways, and the siblings are all also victims of their trauma and their dad. I'm not rooting for her above the others, but the feedback for her specifically has really stood out to me.

[@margaritasalt]

i mean just take a look at this comment section already lol of course it's down to her gender (and god do i hate pointing out this already tired narrative - but in this case it's so true i can't help it). as a side, and unrelated to the comment above, i agree with most of the points in this video - except the question of "if logan had been in the position to go to jail instead of kendall - would she have still saved tom over him?" this point is just moot. as this video points out several times, logan is the source of her abuse. of course she would not have had the gall to send him to jail over anyone. in classic roy kid fashion, she would've died for his approval over anything else in this life.

[@komal146]

I can never get how Shiv is the worst when Kendall betrayed his family twice and his Kids. Roman literally has nowhere to go because he's a happy puppy in cage. Even Tom and Greg are not loyal and change sides in a blink. But they're either Machiavellian or killers,not disloyal losers.

[@UnoHoo1]

Shiv is a back-stabbing, manipulative, duplicitous individual who clearly would, or has, sold her soul to the highest bidder. It is not her sex, she’s just the worst!

[@fightsports66]

I don’t hate Shiv and I am hesitant to speak for others but I think a lot of the negativity towards Shiv goes back to the open marriage and specifically springing that on Tom after the wedding. Tom having to deal with that guy Nate knowing he slept with Shiv and he’s here drinking his champagne (and Tom makes him pour it back in the bottle). I know Logan has done his dirt but we never heard the story of what happened to Colin’s mom and as far as Caroline we know she hates Logan now and probably for good reason but nothing played out on screen. Kendall has drug and alcohol problems which can certainly screw up a marriage but we never hear of infidelity as far as he and Rava.

[@Agrizz1ybear]

Misogyny definitely plays a part for a lot of people, but I think for me she's just the biggest disappointment. Roman was a monster ever since the pilot, so every time he does something slightly redeemable we just want to hug him. Ken is just boring and predictable in my opinion, and there's a sort of justice to Tom whenever he's an asshole. But Shiv always felt like the least irredeemable. Had political views beyond money, always acknowledged how out of touch they were. Almost played the straight man role in the absurd family. But then every time she has a moral high ground she throws it away in the most disappointing way. She has the opportunity to be likable, but makes you feel like an idiot every time you try to.

[@andersmck]

the way she is constantly told she is inexperienced

[@AA-qb7ni]

After that series finale, she definitely is the least trust worthy. Wtf.

[@VM-ve4xu]

arent they all?

[@ebthab]

They're all horrible, untrustworthy people, she just had the opportunity to put the last nail in the coffin.

[@angelazayn4878]

I'm here after the season Finale and You called it Shiv was disloyal till the end.

[@peaboss]

You knew, didnt you?

[@widowswail888]

Will you be making an analysis on the finale? I really hope you do.

[@screenslaver6831]

Shiv thought she is very smart but wasn't Made threats that had no real substance behind them You can actually see which of the characters are actually smart by the way they treated Gregg Kendall, Tom and even Logan knew the subtle tiny power gregg possessed and they made deals with him. Which shiv never does. If you want to be a big man keep the little ones happy.

[@zacharyrappaport5031]

This aged so well!!

[@zipperman6045]

I would say Shiv has proved herself to be the least capeable sibling when it comes to WaystarRoyco we see that Shiv was never really considered even Roman was considered by others as if he took himself seriously having the most potential and Ken has proved himself competent again and again

[@hofx666]

Seriously, she thinks her manipulation skills are elite but all her mental gymnastics are completely obvious. She can’t control her emotions, and she really doesn’t have it.

[@marydauby5229]

Logan promised Shiv back in Season 2 that she was going to be the one. His main goal was to get her away from Gil whom Logan hated with a passion. He wanted family to inherit the crown. He was skeptical of Kendall and his drug use and fall out. Roman was emotionally damaged to the point of being stunted intellectually. Shiv had to prove her worth by giving up Gil and left leaning politics. She did but Kendall’s lap dog loyalty was stronger. If you listen to Logan and Rhea’s conversation about who is fit to succeed she describes each one. Logan had loyalty to none of them. Instead of unity he got a dogfight. I am leaning towards Kendall because Logan wanted someone who was exactly like him. Over 4 seasons the one who has grown to be a mini-me is Kendall. Everyone is expecting a dark horse. We shall see.

[@UnoHoo1]

She has zero experience to be the CEO of even a small company. Her experience has only been in politics?

[@defragsbin]

@@marydauby5229 I'm not sure how things will finish, but I agree that Ken is the closest to a proto-Logan. He fought his father multiple times when Roman tended to shrivel up and fold. Shiv was on the periphery of things and was never willing to get hands dirty. Even Greg started out in a theme park character suit! Kendall is also the only one of the four siblings that has kids, so there's that too -- history can't repeat itself unless it's Ken. Just like Logan, he's rarely with his children and they're shown to have a fairly disconnected relationship. After nearly 4 full seasons, I can think of a handful of times Ken spent time with his kids. If they're in an episode, they're usually adjacent to a business deal or a wedding. You never see Ken make much of an effort; I think it's highly likely that Logan's flaws will be passed from father to son to grandchild. I don't think he's abusive or manipulative in the same way as Logan, but he isn't much of a father. Logan probably thought he was good to his kids because he didn't beat them. Kendall probably thinks he's a good father because he doesn't manipulate them. It's a low bar. He also took the position of maximum selfishness and helped to elect Mencken. American life is just collateral damage. His daughter and ex-wife will now likely hate him for his choices. I could see Kendall ending the show sitting in the big chair, alone, after estrangement from his children and siblings. To 'win' at the company, you have to sacrifice everything else. There's always Colin, I suppose.

[@EinarOfBC]

Just like the old fable... "Why would you sting me?" asks the frog. "Now we're both going to die!" "I couldn't stop myself!" replied the scorpion. "It's who I am!"

[@samb123078]

Shiv not bribing Greg was just very dumb. All the Roy kids treat Greg like shit and he always burns them for it. Kendall could have kept him on side by buying a watch for him but didn’t. Only Logan seemed to know that Greg could (and should be) be brought.

[@mlwill12]

I didnt know which one of the board members would flip, but I knew it would be one of them. Really didn't see Shiv coming.

[@thevorama]

After watching the finale, this video is very prescient

[@tomaitoe]

Fantastic analysis as always!

[@rociont6647]

"The disloyal case of Shiv Roy" is an insane title considering this is analyzing a character on a show where every single character is actually disloyal and conniving lol I don't think anybody would argue that she was a good person or that she deserved the CEO position because clearly not, but to signal her out screams misogyny. She's a terrible person, yes. She betrays her brothers, she cheats on her husband, and is always keeping her options open. But the same could be said about her brothers... Kendall plans a coup to take the company away from his father, is an absent father and husband (in S4 he actively plays against his daughter's best interest by supporting a fascist presidential candidate), was jealous of his siblings and couldn't stomach the idea of either of the two having the role over him. And even when the siblings were united and were supporting each other and Shiv asks Kendall to keep her in the loop (which was perfectly reasonable and should have been a given), he would do the complete opposite and ploy with Roman and keep significant information away from her when he knew that all she wanted was to have a seat on the table. And the worst part about Kendall is how he wouldn't even acknowledge that he was betraying his sibling's trust because he was that delusional about always having everybody's best interest in mind. Roman didn't even try to be a good person, he betrays both of his siblings when they were the most united by not only contacting Logan, but also doing the dirty work for him by firing Geri, (who btw is one of the most loyal characters of this story, clearly indicating to us, that loyalty is not a characteristic that is valued in this business, Geri was beyond loyal to Logan for years and he couldn't even be bothered to fire her himself smh). If anything, you could argue that at the end of the series, Shiv chooses to finally be loyal to somebody: Tom. Yes, it could be strategy on her end but it's also clear she wanted him back and after that explosive argument they had on the balcony all the cards were laid out on the table. And beyond all the terrible things that they said to one another, they also still cared about each other. Was it the right choice?? Were they going to be able to come back from everything that they said??? Who knows, but I kinda take it as her acknowledging that through her hurt, she takes some of the responsibility for the downfall of their relationship because she always but the family business and her need to seek her father's validation over her marriage and now choosing to do the complete opposite: putting her marriage and her husband over the interest of the family business. Something Logan and Kendall were never able to do, heck even Roman betrays the person who he has the closest thing to a romantic relationship with to please his dad. Her reasoning for doing so is arguable, but Shiv is the only Roy who actively chooses their partner and her growing family (lets not forget she was pregnant) over the family business.

[@titatakes]

The Roy kids are so tragic

[@yabusele0]

wow, right after i watched the finale i saw the title of this video. i had to click it

[@maggiepanko7953]

I love your analysis. So curious and intelligent and... well... observant.

[@okay4240]

I knew it even from s1 shiv is shivery

[@doingmythinghere9722]

Your observations are so unique and clever I was wondering if you’re a therapist in real life 😅 thanks for the video 🙏🏻

[@DazzerrPlays]

Greg knows the price of milk, Greg will be CEO

[@bev4153]

Well, this was spot on 😢

[@kiloub]

this is a very good psychoanalysis video!

[@gabrielpasquino4270]

great video, small correction though: we don't actually know who the youngest is, whether it's Roman or Shiv, its been intentionally left open. To me, Roman embodies the youngest sibling in his actions, Shiv is something else entirely

[@iannamboga7995]

Actually shiv is the youngest Roman just acts like the youngest

[@heretics25]

An official HBO video has Brian Cox narrating the Roy family tree: Shiv is the youngest. Yes, it seems like Roman is, but actually it's Shiv.

[@neobahamut6751]

To say that "from her point of view she has been betrayed first" is inaccurate. It's not a point of view. It's a fact. The three siblings agreed to take the decisions relating to the compagny together. Then they excluded her, gave her the kids tasks and even lied and tried to make the deal with Lucas fail. They even act as if it wasn't a big deal. They all think that Shiv as a women isn't really on the table when it comes to the succession. All of the kids think they need to prove their worth to their father, Shiv is the only one who feels she needs to prove her worth to her siblings too. Conor doesn't count because he forfeited from the competition. She treats her husband like shit but when she had the choice to protect him or send him in prison, she protected him. He is the one who betrayed her first by choosing Logan. Since then, she betrayed him everytime. Shiv has trust issues but she is the also the one character who never betrays first. In fact, I have never see Shiv be cruel with the small staff or anyone who was not a bad person. Loyalty goes both side. You cannot be disloyal to somebody who isn't loyal to you.

[@BRiGHT-CHilD]

I agree with everything you've said apart from Tom betraying Shiv first. She betrays him when she cheats on him & tells him she wants an open marriage on their wedding night. It's awful, however even that is a byproduct of years of emotional trauma at the hands of her family. I mean are we supposed to believe that Roman hasn't always made sick sexual jokes about his younger sister since they were kids with the comfort he does now? That's pretty effed up & enough to mess with the way she relates to guys sexually.

[@nathantaylor5867]

Holy shit.

[@philipclinder1]

Great analysis!

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

Well this video aged impeccably.

[@JoJoJoker]

Connor gets top bunk. Roman sh*t the bed. Greg continues his slow race to the top as Gojo’s US CEO.

[@XYZ_Vu]

Loves your perspectives

[@M-Cherian]

Fantastic video.

[@shaste11]

Awesome as always! Greetings from germany 🤘🏻

[@christopheranchrum2092]

Great video! Bravo 👏

[@colekuczek9812]

Shiv’s name is shiv

[@eduardoemilio8919]

You called it.

[@jeffalcazar7005]

Yay a Shiv Analysis.

[@erickillian313]

Are you going to do Greg before the finale?

[@jamessweeny9674]

you guessed the ending lol

[@FranksWhiteFerrari]

The thing I hated about Shiv is she always thought she was better than everyone. She doesn't see the potential and power others hold that are below her, like Tom and Greg. In season 3, we see Tom finally uses this to advantage. In America Decides episode, She undermines Greg instead of making a deal with him. Even Logan in the previous season understands Greg has power and makes a deal with him and gets him to sign paper that buy his loyalty so he doesn't side with Kendall.

[@lindablue5504]

I Loved watching the series, but I was hoping they would have changed the narrative towards the end with the siblings wanting to start working on showing real love towad each other. It really saddened me to always see them acting the way they did with each other. You saw a lot of Power, Control, Jealousy , Money and Dishonesty, but not a lot of true love for each other. The way they started ,in my opinion, is the way they ended . The I don't care attitude, I am going to do what is best for me attitude , hurt people , hurt people. You see this in the world we live in now, but it would have been really good to see them come together. Out of all the stuff they been through as children and adults with there mother and father and their own life choices ,they felt like they had to fight each other to get what they wanted.

[@kirstenmuller4536]

I know! I was really hoping the show would end with them as a united front, even if someone else thwarted their plans.

[@elchos2004]

Very well explained. I feel sorry for Shiv. She will end alone and used by Matsson.

[@JJ-gl3qr]

This has o be the best show I think ever made in the 21st century so far

[@mrcoachcoach]

Shiv & Tom plans to run the company worked to perfection. Every time Shiv was asked about Tom she always hedged and kept him position. Shiv pulled all the strings just like the magazine Article portrayed her with Mattson. She was using everyone as her puppets, to get her money from the sale and maintain power. Watch the finale knowing that Shiv wants Tom as CEO

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

Shiv lost any control she had over the company as a member of the board. She is now merely the bride of the puppet CEO who will not really stay in power.

[@TP_Gillz]

Tonight is gonna be rough. Saying goodbye to this show.

[@Olyphantman]

Great analysis. I was elated that the show’s creators and the network resisted the mandates of woke culture to make Shiv the sole victim without accountability. They were all victims and all villains to varying degrees, and they corrupted my boy Greg 😂

[@georgiaboy2023]

Didn’t Kendal also start season 4 by planning to betray his siblings ?

[@kirstenmuller4536]

I think that, while Kendall's ego wouldn't allow for anything less than his being the sole CEO, I always got the chance that he wanted to involve his siblings in SOME way (except for maybe poor Connor, of course :/ ). I don't get that sense with Shiv, or even Roman. So, yes, Kendall was plotting to be sole CEO over his siblings. But he likely still would have kept them close.

[@pedroavellarcosta9389]

I would say, she was betrayed first by her brothers in the last season

[@Marcxman1991]

Great vid

[@cadillacdeville5828]

All the siblings have self interests at heart....just like Kendall. Despite rhe reasoning behind it.

[@VICTORZITOSS]

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[@Alex-hm7nt]

All I know for sure, my wife and I have guessed for every season and were SO wrong lol. And the finale last night further proved it!

[@mydemocracype]

She's even disloyal to her future child -- already declaring to the men who will offer some power, that she will phone in the mom thing while handing the baby to a nanny. The writers have been completely consistent with their creation of Shiv.

[@siblinginchrist]

To be fair shiv turns to Mattson only after her brothers leave her out -despite agreeing it'll be equal

[@UnoHoo1]

Shiv cozied-up to Mattson the first time she met him, just in case. She is so back-stabling, seems to pretty much not have a beating heart within her. Unless, she can fake it to her advantage. I shrugged to think about what kind of mother she will be. She has already sold this unborn child out! She has no soul.

[@siblinginchrist]

@@UnoHoo1 iirc shiv and mattson only actually met on that trip to norway? which is after kendall and roman announced themselves as co-ceos also sold out how?

[@missraeray]

Shiv is legitimately upset she wasn’t named third ceo which really would’ve been ridiculous. If they did that , all of this maybe wouldn’t have been happening .

[@GrandTheftDiamonds]

Well, well, well...

[@christine6059]

Connor is at least 20 years older than Kendall, the next born, yet the tallest boy in the intro looks only about three years older. What the heck?

[@PureSparkles22]

My fav character

[@stevefrench2303]

Excellent

[@frankieseward8667]

When Shiv dropped that bomb about Logan making her CEO, her fate was sealed

[@nanakmccann]

Madsen is going to choose Greg to be his CEO not Shiv. Not sure what's going to happen after that though.

[@Hera4]

I would hope Mattson proposes Tom as CEO before the board meeting. Tom refuses because he loves Shiv and Shiv takes a fucking lesson of what love and trust means and backs off from her constant backstabbing tactics, and also realizes that motherhood is the biggest blessing ever. Then Kendall schemes, stops the deal and keeps the company. The last scene will probably be like the last scene of the the Godfather where Michael Corleone shuts his wife out of the room to talk about family matters, which means Kendal will keep the company but lose everything. Roman will find love with Gerri

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

You old romantic……

[@Hera4]

@@rejectionisprotection4448 imagine if it turns out to be a cut to black ending..

[@terrellbennett1685]

I need the last episode to be at least an hour and a half

[@jimbobbby]

How many turtlenecks did they go through on this show??

[@zulemadamata2194]

Came back

[@jlopink]

I support women's rights but most importantly I support women's wrongs!! I'll die defending Shiv Roy.

[@Fidozo15]

She’ll betray you too

[@jlopink]

@@Fidozo15 no problems, she is going to do what she has to do, I support that.

[@hofx666]

You say that like it’s a badge of honor lol. No one has ever enjoyed being associated to shiv.

[@jlopink]

@HoFX it is though! 😆 🤣 😂

[@UnoHoo1]

You supporting anyone’s wrong seems kind of “off” to me. Odd thing to say, don’t you think?

[@juhu3709]

I thought Rome was the youngest 🤔

[@jblassio]

Quick answer…no

[@annkey4091]

Face it! WHEN YOU ARE A WOMAN, YOU GO WITH THE BEST OFFER! This is why Shiv had to keep her options open at all times. Sometimes, the offer may be your only offer. It is a discretionary decision and a tossup. Shiv did not owe her brothers anything, zip, zero, nada. Logan Roy said sell the company and that is what she voted to do. A dutiful daughter, a Daddy's girl in the end. Her vote made her husband a CEO or hired hand of a company that does not belong to the Roys. Tom can acquire "nice" things with money from an account other than the Roys.She made her brothers (and herself) a bundle with the sale. She fulfilled her promise to her husband ----- she is having his baby and she allowed him to publicly wear the big pants. The four Roy children can now create their own pile as Logan Roy told them to do.

[@Marshall...-_-1101]

Personally, i liked no one in the show. But at last I felt bad for KEN and Greg.

[@juicypineapple6995]

You nailed this review! So awesome! Saying that Shiv eventually runs out of options because her power grabbing strategy eventually gets exposed is such a great way to narrow down who and what she is. I love your Succession videos! Thank you!

[@navdhillon7912]

Great character study

[@QNPMEDIA]

I can't believe you did a breakdown of Shiv and didnt mention her mother. The one scene at the wedding alone is worth it's own video.

[@JeffsGoldblum]

100 percent

[@omgitsarjun]

He’s spoken about it before in a previous video if I recall

[@fergie42069]

she had like 40 seconds of lines in the whole episode and she DESTROYED everyone

[@QNPMEDIA]

@@fergie42069 FORREAL

[@elforkedroad669]

There's a previous video on this and the whole Chiantishire/All the Bells Say S3 finale