Such Trauma | Worship Drummer Reacts to "The Poet & The Pendulum" by Nightwish

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[@dtruleall]

Emppu checking on Tuomas is very real and very cincere. This is from Wembley in 2015, a high in their carrere. They had very rarely played that song live, because it is a very personal song for Tuomas. He killed himself in the song, so he did not need to in real life. So yes, the feelings are on, and he needed the help from his brothers in arms, the band and the crowd knows this, it is a rare treat to see this live. A very intimate and caring moment.

[@pdutchie4924]

Well said 🙏🏻

[@karpuze80]

Yeah, and while wounds heal, the scars remain and this song is like opening those old scars. Which is why I believe they don't perform this song, just to not to pick on old scars.

[@julia_btfl]

@@karpuze80 I love the song so much. I want to scream it out at the top of my lung but I don't want to offend my neighbours

[@sylvielefevre4491]

On this song Tuomas asked for Floor's vocals being muted in his mix, due to the emotions she carries out so well.

[@Cherlindrea99]

For me this is just a master piece of music. Also Floor's performance, her voice, her face, her whole body telling the story. Love this so much!

[@teckreactions]

Same

[@jompuusi]

"The Greatest Show On Earth" (Live @ Tampere) in Finland. Greetings from Finland 🤘💙🤍

[@iirockstar23562]

With lyrics!!!!

[@ManuelGdeP]

What is often overlooked when people say she was fired is that she had told the band that she was leaving after the next album, so they just accelerated her departure.

[@1982jeepcj8]

There are two other songs about this situation, bye bye beautiful and the anger is in Master, Passion, GREED, with Marco singing, it is by far Nightwishes hardest song, it will never be played live , I don't think they are proud of how petty and hateful it is, reportedly it has quotes from Tarja's husband in the lyrics litteraly throwing his words in his face, it is also the only Nightwish song that has explicit language. It really is a shame as it is excellent Metal music,

[@sateentuoksu]

And she also said she could leave any time (it's captured in one of their documentaries - sorry, cannot remember which. They were sitting on a plane when she said that to Tuomas). Which made it even more pressing and frightening. And the many scenes, where she said she has been asked when she'll leave as she's too good for nw, etc . 🙄

[@tatters2072]

@@sateentuoksu Read "Once Upon a Nightwish". Tarja was threatening the band with 'going solo' reaching all the way back to 1998 and "Oceanborn" as she complained back then that Tuomas was writing songs that she couldn't sing.

[@sateentuoksu]

@@tatters2072 a bit confusing: she's too good for nw, as she cannot sing the songs written to her..? Okay, i smashed up two comments, not related. But as one counts two and two together, that's what you get from it. I think Tuomas is particularly good in adapting his writing according to people performing the music & writing songs to a voice.. and also challenging their skills. As he has done with Floor, too. But Floor wondered for a while if she was supposed to breath also... and then just stopped breathing and expanded her skills to hold the notes for amazing hights and lengths, whilst still living through the stories and conveying them to the audience. And enjoying the performing and energy-exchange with the audience. And I think that got the absolute best, so far, out of her. But maybe Tarja wasn't as keen on challenging and stretching her limits.

[@davidbarrass5210]

0:02 This performance was in 2015 so was only 10 yrs not 18. Also the first time in 7 yrs that they had performed the song. Previous sung by Anette during 2007/8 tour .

[@teckreactions]

Ahhh. I assumed the upload date was also the performance date. That was my mistake.

[@lawrencewalston2272]

​@@teckreactionsTuomas said that writing the song, for himself, was a catharsis of sorts. It helped him deal with the fallout with associated with falling out with Tarja.

[@DeepeningTheListening]

This song has helped many people through dark times, it's very cathartic. If you are in a desperate situation with no help and this song is the only thing that pulls you through, it will always have a special place in your heart. ❤

[@teckreactions]

I can see that.

[@monicacarolina6480]

It helps me for sure, but I can listen to it now and than, too confronting...but recognizable.

[@Rancid-Jane]

For me it checks to see if my heart has its proper reservoir of empathy yet. I cry with every listen.

[@Suicideshakes]

Notice the beginning of the song says.. The End. The end of the song says The Beginning. He's healed and moving on. ❤

[@teckreactions]

Ahhhhhh

[@enato9180]

Fyi the song is not,not about Tuomas,s or the bands feeling about Tarja being fired,its about and only about Tuomas reacting to the backlash and harsh blame thrown his way from fans and media,Tuomas and the band made the decision to let Tarja go ​@teckreactions

[@teckreactions]

@@enato9180 I'm aware.

[@fearisachoiceyouembrace]

And Floor is connected so deeply because she knows about devostating endings and beginnings. On her right wrist she has an Omega sign tattooed after the disband of her band After Forever and the start of ReVamp. Both had the Omega on her album covers. And in very emotional moments she touches that sign. From minute 4.38

[@missrubyphoenix]

All I can say without getting worked up about the subject in question is that people sometimes act out of pain and rage, they don't really think about their actions until is too late, then there are others who contribute to make things even more, "stir the pot" if you will; I'm honestly very glad that Tuomas didn't continued forward with the decision to take his own life due to this horribly messy incident, and that he and Tarja are currently in civil terms, plus she and Marko did a pretty cool collab recently. Like someone else already said in another comment: they moved on, and so should we. As for the song and performance, is a hard one to watch, since the inner turmoil Tuomas was going through at that time poured out, he literally screamed some of the lyrics to the ceiling, showing raw angst and regret. Marko did a masterful job representing his darkest feelings, and Floor his deepest, heartbreaking sorrow. Love the fact that the song starts with The End, of an awful era, and ends with The Beginning of a brighter, way more positive one. Props to Emppu and Marko for checking on him, making sure Tuomas was okay, during the whole song (sorry for the long comment, I guess I feel for him a lot, even to this day, and not so much for Tarja, who is the Queen of her stage, shining brightly on her own) PS: if you actually see this, I recommend you to either listen to yourself or react to Master Passion Greed and Bye Bye Beautiful, as they're connected to the whole situation.

[@davidbarrass5210]

Agreed, think they had learnt that lesson when they let Anette go.

[@Rancid-Jane]

Very well said.

[@dixie3086]

If you do the Greatest Show on Earth do the Tampere one. My favorite. Unless you just want to see Richard Dawkins. Tampere is in Finland and Floors parents were there to see her.

[@zehnra]

It'll prolly never happen but I always dream of a double reaction to both versions 😂

[@tribblefluffer]

@@zehnra I think this is a great idea, thumbs up!

[@silverblack5475]

I concur, Tampere is the better version

[@orangeguppie6897]

I concur!!!!

[@robhannah2794]

Both versions are “best” - for different reasons. Wembley has better audio, Troy on the e-bow, and Richard Dawkins. Tampere has Troy on whistle & pipes, fireworks, and Floor’s parents in the audience… (I also like the crowd cuts in Tampere - the identical twins, the voice-only part near the end, the stage walk). My personal preference is pretty obvious, but I listen to both due to that awesome e-bow.

[@Peilla]

Tampere version of Greatest Show is best version.

[@marita2g]

I concur!

[@ANDZIGCREAM]

For the visuals. Wembley is better mixed

[@bjorin08]

Wembley is better version, mixed better sound!

[@Assel55]

Wembley is better

[@Peilla]

@@Assel55 don’t like the ebow and Mario sounds worse.

[@corneliusantonius3108]

Master Passion Greed will takes your socks off

[@tapio7133]

YES!

[@renskevanderhaagen5813]

Yesssss! Such a masterpiece with the orchestra

[@marita2g]

Yesss!

[@tommy8159]

yep

[@michellegower6812]

I'm begging, please react to Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean. You don't have to do it next, but promise you'll do it! It's skipped by so many reactors and it's such an amazing piece! Love love LOVE your channel! ❤

[@teckreactions]

I'll check it out! Thanks for the love 💙

[@renskevanderhaagen5813]

I second this!!! It's showcases a lot of their talents

[@nightwisharmyuk]

UK Army popping in for a authentic reaction. This song was born in a deep depression and a big part that dragged toumas out of the depression was his mother and father. This is why it means so much and is so hard to play, and why it is not played any more.

[@donepearce]

I was at Wembley for this concert. I had never heard of Nightwish before and had taken a ticket a friend couldn't use. Needless to say I was an instant fan. Every song blew me away. I believe this was the last time they have played this song. Both Marco and Floor and I believe Kai have since worked with Tarja. Greatest show on earth - definitely from this show. Richard Dawkins is a must.

[@louisminten7889]

For giving this MASTERPIECE a soul, there is only one singer imo who could do that (Floor Jansen) perfectly backed up by Marko. This isn't a song, but an experience

[@HCH944]

I concur.

[@corneliusantonius3108]

I cried again in the end.

[@blueeyes1110]

The mother and father section gets me every time tears aplenty

[@blueeyes1110]

Here is some helpful advice in the future if you do these concerts here are when they happened Wembley was 2015 Buenos Aires was 2018 Tampere was 2015 end of an era was 2005 and Tarja's last performance with the band

[@emjem99]

That cello part and Floor's vocal is so very sad it gives me goosebumps every time.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

I agree. I feel that the part "Swaying blade my lullaby" is the highlight of the whole song.

[@tonshimountain652]

In regards to him moving on, he has, however performing this song is kind of like revisiting the worst moment of your life which would be taking your own life. He had to have floor’s vocals taken out of his mix so he couldn’t hear them. I think the best source would be Tuomas himself. If you look up the interview with him where he addressed performing poet in the pendulum, it’s very insightful, and would give you more understanding as to the situation he faced performing this song so many years later. It’s a fan favorite, so that’s why they choice to perform it. Nightwish always does what they do for the fans first and foremost. I don’t think it would’ve been Tuomas’ choice to perform the song, and from what I understand they will never perform in again.

[@teckreactions]

Interesting.

The spoken words "The End" in the beginning of the song and "The Beginning" in the end of the song, signifies the End of an ERA and the beginning of a new ERA for Tuomas and Nightwish. The song is in fact not specifically about the firing of Tarja, but instead the hate and backlash from fans and media that Tuomas got and felt. And for the note; this was 10 years after the open letter. It was performed in 2015. They hadn't performed this since 2007/2008 (then with Anette).

[@teckreactions]

Ah. I confused the upload date with the performance date.

[@Zozo-K-]

I was a Nightwish fan back in the Tarja era. When this happened, my first thought was, "you know who would be the PERFECT person to replace her? That girl who sings for After Forever...Floor Jansen!" I went online to share my revelation, only to discover that TONS of other people had had the same idea...lol. It didn't happen then, of course. My personal thought as to why was that Tuomas was already getting enough crap about what happened with Tarja that he didn't want to be the guy who broke up After Forever, too. I have no idea if that was the case, but it did occur to me at the time. And Tuomas' comment that, when Anette was dismissed, his "first choice" was Floor, makes me think it perhaps had been in the back of his mind for some time. Regardless, they obviously got her where she belongs, eventually. As to what's next...there is no "order," despite what some try and tell you. The Greatest Show On Earth is another epic story (the creation of the Earth and the evolution of life, the rise (and eventual fall) of mankind), though I would echo what others have said and do the Tampere version. Dead Boy's Poem is a personal favorite...the Buenos Aires live version. But pick whatever you want...you can't really go wrong. ☮❤

[@marita2g]

He has already done dead boys poem :) He talked about it in the beginning too :)

[@tomasjaluvka6917]

Great reaction, my friend. Thanks for your honest thoughts a showing respect to our hero : Tuomas. Watching this again and again, you will love it more and more. Looking forward to next reaction.

[@teckreactions]

Thank you too!

[@fearisachoiceyouembrace]

Work well done.❤ Now just don't think to much, sit back and enjoy it and enjoy it and ... Please don't miss the great drumplay in - Weak fantasy (Tampere), - Devil and the deep dark ocean (Buenos Aires 2018) -Tribal (Lyric video 2020 or official live 2023) Tuomas played the Oboe in his youth.

[@ecbftl]

He also played Clarinet in a military band when he did his mandatory year of service. He hated playing the clarinet, and has said never a squawk to be heard from him again. However, I think he wrote much of the first album on piano during that time.

[@bastet197]

I aprove this message

[@sylph141414]

This song always gives me chills. I think there's been some healing since then, not sure if/when you'll get around to it, but "How's the Heart" is especially warm and touching i think

[@davidbarrass5210]

Especially the acoustic version.

[@andrelglinnenbank2856]

A couple of notes. Yes they were young and probably would never handle this in this way again. In 2005 the internet was big enough for this to go viral but young enough for Tuomas to totally underestimate the impact. Thomas and Floor are both empaths. By this time he may have moved on, but he knows the background and Floor's singing does not help. They seldom played it and I assume they will never again. Thomas writes with the singer (and musicians) in mind. Tarja was his muse. On the thousand pages of erased text is the music he would have written for her. I can only assume that in the dressing room the atmosphere would have had mood swings in the time leading up to the breaking up. Tuomas will have felt that with every swing of the mood the day the Nightwish with Tarja would be over came closer. That rhymes with the pendulum story. Floor would have been a perfect replacement if you wanted Nightwish to continue and not evolve further. Choosing someone totally different to replace Tarja was a wise move.

[@mkgym]

It's a shame that such a beautiful composition will never be played again. Understandable, but never to hear such a beautiful song sung live again and only Floor can deliver it so emotionally. Just a beautiful performance.🤟🏻🤟🏻🎶🎶

[@robertsheeler321]

A description of the masterpiece of a song to help you understand what its all about . The Poet and the Pendulum was written by Tuomas (Keyboards) after firing Tarja Turnunen the original singer in 2005 She was the face of Nightwish at the time, and Tuomas (Keyboards) wrote this and considered her a muse to many of the songs he had written at that point. They had also grown up in the same city and knew each other since early childhood. Some say Tuomas was in love with her but only Tuomas knows that for sure . All the band members decided together to fire her for acting too much of a diva And her husband & Manager was stepping way outta bounds concerning the band business He always wanted more money , only big paying shows . Tuomas was painted as the devil by many fans, Press and even politicians. He went through a deep depression. He even considered ending the band . He wrote The Poet and the Pendulum at that time, and actually kills himself in the song,at the 7:00 time stamp the song says "I have but 3 min " then at the 10:00 time stamp he killed himself in the song as to kill the pain he was going through . To this day every time he plays it, it takes him back to those feelings, and shows on his face. They no longer play this song . In the last part, Mother and Father, words are said to him that his real mother & Father said to him at that time of his deep depression. One part that touches me at the end when the guitarist Emppu and bassist Marko, the only other two involved with firing Tarja (that were still active with the band at the time of this show )were standing with Tuomas at the end in solidarity and love., NOTE : the 1st two words are (The End) and the last two words are (The Beginning) representing the end of the 1st era of Nightwish and the beginning of the next era

[@teckreactions]

This video is only three years old. So they played it for at least 18 years after the fact. They don't play it anymore at all?

[@ceithern]

@@teckreactions The performance was in 2015, even thought Nightwish put it on their YT channel 3 years ago.

[@WNYretiree]

@@teckreactions This is from the Wembley concert of 2015. The video was uploaded three years ago. Tuomas says he has moved past the things he was feeling when he wrote this song. Everybody is on civil terms.

[@teckreactions]

@@WNYretiree OHHHHHHH. I was looking at the upload date AS the performance date. Oops.

[@randomman4938]

@@teckreactions My understanding is this song hasn't been played since 2015, and was rarely performed prior to that. The 2nd singer Annette (who recorded the album version) really couldn't perform this song well live. So I don't believe they played it much with her in the band.

[@SokolRock]

Regarding Tuomas' letter, here are the facts: Basically, the conflict in the band occurred for two reasons. 1. Tarja decided to make her husband Marcelo her manager and authorized representative in the band on all business issues, and also she reduced contacts with the band members to a minimum. It was not normal that the members of the band and its management had to discuss all issues with someone who was not part of the band. What was worse, Marcelo actively abused his powers and went so far as to force the band to accept his terms (primarily regarding negotiations with promoters about money), otherwise threatening that Tarja would not perform. 2. Taria decided for herself that she would leave the band after another album/tour cycle anyway for the sake of her solo career and she and her husband decided to use the band to earn quick money while they were in the band. Because of this, Marcelo torpedoed all the strategic plans of the band, which could be unprofitable now, but would bring profit in a few years. For example, that's why he forced the band to cancel the US tour. The band had to exist in these conditions until the end of the 2005 tour, for almost a year, and this heated the situation to the limit. So when Tuomas wrote the letter, he had no intention of being diplomatic. He lost trust in Tarja so much that he wrote such a detailed letter to prevent possible false interpretations of the situation on Tarja's part. It didn't help: Tarja, for example, used the fact that Tuomas mentioned her husband but forgot to write that he was her manger, and then she made herself a "victim" for the press - like, "the "evil" Tuomas for some reason attacked her husband and her personal life, how low it is!" And many fans mistakenly thought that it was about jealousy and a "love triangle". But most importantly, the song itself has nothing to do with Tarja, as it is dedicated to the subsequent events and feelings of Tuomas, when the music press and some fans attacked him and declared that "Nightwish is dead without Tarja."

[@jovetj]

Excellent summary. Tuomas was devastated by what happened. This song is a look inside his soul and what he was thinking about. I'm just glad he was able to get through it (without dying for real) and move on.

[@j3mixa]

Back then I was surprised that people went after Tuomas so strongly. Yes, he could've been a bit more diplomatic with the whole open letter thing but Tarja was far from innocent. I saw her crying crocodile tears on tv, saying that she had no clue on what was going on, and I thought that she was lying. Also her husband defending her and claiming that Tuomas and the band were treating her badly, when she didn't even go to rehearsals and was too good to travel with them. Tarja never explicitly denied any of the accusations on that letter because she couldn't. Everyone knew that she was/is a diva, I mean you can't miss it when watching the old the footage. Even today she has this cold and distant demeanour, even when she tries to act more relaxed. She let Marcelo come and take the lead, and she wasn't really socially part of the band for a long time before the break up. So it was definately not a surprise to her, unless she was blind to the other members of the band.

[@AdamVop]

Your facts are laughable. At the press conference and in her open response, Taraj handled everything with grace, no gossip or bad words against the band. While Tuomas made himself a victim and her a greedy diva. Marko understood and apologized to Tarja.

[@j3mixa]

@@AdamVop But Tarja really made her self look like a victim. I don't remember seeing Tuomas even defending himself in the media when Tarja was all over the TV and newspapers here in Finland. But it was interesting that Tarja didn't clearly deny the accusations while still blaming Tuomas for everything.

[@AdamVop]

@@j3mixa Do you mean you whe she cried when she read a letter from would-be friends who stab you in the back after nine years? And Tuomas, that he didn't make himself a victim? Proof is Poet and the Pendulum, over which everyone here cries and feels sorry for Tuomas. Look what he did to her. Enough of this discussion where everyone feels sorry for Tuomas and makes Tarja a witch without even bothering to look at her reasons. Moreover, it has been 20 years and some fans still spitting venom after discussions about Tarja, as if it were yesterday. Have you tried to put yourself in her shoes? When she became a piece of shit for the whole metal world overnight. After nine years of creating music together? She's only human too. None of them were completely innocent or evil. And Tuomas was certainly not innocent in this: he never knew how to be with people. He said he regrets not being able to personally fire Sami, his friend. And then, in an even worse way, he dumped Tarja and a few years later Anette. Fortunately, a lot of NW fans have already caught on, and even Marko. It's just new fans are too lazy to find out and settle for a letter instead. It's just that some people still need to keep the idea that she's a piece of shit, because their rickety house of cards would come tumbling down. But those who follow Tarja know what she is like. Musicians who work with her say about her how great it is to work with her, and fans who have met her describe her as one of the sweetest person. Why didn't the user mention here that Marko apologized to Tarja? Because he needs to maintain the image of the innocent Tuomas and the bitch Tarja.

[@k.l.7788]

Kai used to play in a band called Rotten Sound, so Nightwish is like a walk in the park for him. 😊

[@anssia3123]

lol Kai goes to Nightwish to have a chill time out, check him out in Wintersun, the guy is a beast

[@itedcoe]

I concur, check out their Sons of Winter and Stars (live at Sonic Pump Studios) for minutes of blast beat by Kai

[@riittap9121]

I came to read the comments just to see if this had been suggested. I concur!

[@oktober-vh6gl]

it not just the split w/ Tarja... Tuomas literally kills himself in the song as catharsis... to keep himself from doing it in real life. This was a huge deal and even their president was chiming in with opinions about the split. Tuomas was in a really dark, dangerous place mentally and the expression of that is this song. He's stated that sometimes he would have the sound engineer cut Floor's vocals from his in-ears as he didn't want to listen to the lyrics, and he's also stated it's difficult because he has moved on and this is not who he is any longer... but the song captured that moment in time, for all time... so he has to keep reliving it. I took this as going through a divorce and having to hear your soon-to-be-ex-wife saying hateful things about you, breaking you, live, year after year after year without it ever going away. Like, what if she showed up at your house every couple of weeks or months to repeat those words and tear your heart open again and again... that's what I believe some of these songs are like for Tuomas... he was so honest in the song, so personal, but now that lives on... those feelings are all over this song, every time it's played. This is why, even years on, Emmpu was checking on his friend. Part of the writing of this that's really cool... he states at one point he has 3 minutes left to live... and exactly 3 minutes from that point is where he kills himself in the song. In the last section, a lot of that is what his parents told him to help him with his depression. Just think about that for a moment. You're in a horribly dark place, you're in pain, your parents are telling you things to try and help... and you take those words and put them in a song for all to hear. How much more personal could you f'ing get as a songwriter/poet? To me, that's really why he's the Metal Mozart. The music he creates is incredibly good... but it's his words and emotions that he shares with all of us that takes it to God-like status. Very few stars bare their heart and soul to the world like this... he just takes all of his armour off and stands there on a stage, naked, for all to see... to ridicule, to laugh at, to shame... and for those of us that love him... to empathize, to commune, to honor... to praise. I also love this song because... Floor. Think about coming in as a vocalist, knowing what this song is about, knowing the writer, your friend, was contemplating self-harm in these words, knowing how personal this is... and finding a way to use your empathy and understanding to bring it to life in a way that brings many of us to tears... as if they were your words. Sorry for the long ramble, but there's just so much to love about this piece of art!

[@jovetj]

Pro tip: That's not what _literally_ means. He *figuratively* kills himself.

[@oktober-vh6gl]

@@jovetj amateur tip: it’s kind of duchy to correct someone’s grammar in an online post, even more so using the phrase “pro tip”, but if your ego needs this… you do you. I stand… corrected.

[@jovetj]

@@oktober-vh6gl Pro tip: It's kind-of douche-y to chastise someone for addressing your spelling, grammar, or poor choice of words used in an online post. 😏 It isn't something to take personally. The "literal-meaning-figurative" error is a common one, and it persists because people like you see others doing it while never learning that it's it's incorrect, and why. It isn't about ego. I do understand it isn't reasonable to expect everyone to be perfect, but language is about the exchange of understanding, and understanding stops when everyone is using a different playbook. Words do have meanings. Some of those meanings do shift over time, but ignorance is never a good reason for that.

[@oktober-vh6gl]

@@jovetj and you do it again, proving my point! just stop already. we get it. you're an official member of the grammar police. did I use "you're" correctly there? and "there" too. oh crap, now I've brought "too" into it also! maybe you would like to point out my lack of capitalization? maybe you''ll assume that is my ignorance as well? maybe I'll send you a picture of myself so you can judge my clothing and hairstyle as well? get over yourself... it's a post about a music video we, apparently, all enjoy. this isn't an essay or document for publication in a journal somewhere. you must be just out of your mind when you go on X or when friends and family text you! time and place @jovetj.

[@jovetj]

@@oktober-vh6gl Lighten up. I write "Pro tip" because it's over-the-top funny. Though, in this case, you have no idea I'm a professional with the English language. I was not going to comment on your capitalization or apostrophe use or clothing or hairstyle, but I can if you so desire. Do you believe that misuse of those things adds to ambiguity in what you were trying to convey? I don't. I guess you didn't read my entire comment, especially the "I don't expect people to be perfect, but..." part.

[@ryant3600]

as for the angled keyboard you're right its all about ergonomics and trying to prevent carpal tunnel and wrist issues. I've seen quite a few people do this, especially during longer performances. Makes perfect sense.

[@teckreactions]

It totally does.

[@Tarkus_]

As an added bonus, it allows the audience to watch him play.

[@ryant3600]

i know others will mention it but in the song when he said he has 3 minutes in counting go back to that point and check the timer on the video and forward 3 minutes.. it's when Thoumas dies. Talk about excellent song writing to write a song and make everything line up perfectly, exactly in three minutes is mind blowing down to the beat and note. Brilliant. as for their relationships, they've all moved on. Marko just did some work with Tarja, Floor has done stuff with both past singers. Greatest Show needs to be live from Tampere

[@ecbftl]

After the throat cut "death", take note in the song of the slowing heart beat, until it stops, and there is silence.

[@tenaseesherry]

Or,….. take on the part 2 of the drama with “Madter Passion Greed” which is rumored to be about how the band felt about Marcel, Tarjia’s husband. If you’re into heavier stuff, this will definitely check that box. Also, as sidenote, the song was written during when Annette Olsen was the lead singer. Vocals for this song is with Marco only and has never been performed live and will never be performed live. But man is it a banger!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYSaf6WGg890eassi=V_vwrM0oH9pvDawI I had to come back and add how much I felt like such a gossiping little 💩 writing this comment. 😬😂🤣😂🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️

[@teckreactions]

Ha!

[@driverguy100]

Order of reactions is not terribly important in my opinion as just about any song you pick from Nightwish will be great and if you like Kai on drums you might want to check out "Weak Fantasy" from either the Wembley or Tampere Shows or "Tribal" from their latest album. "Sahara" from the Tampa Florida show is a really good song and is one of my favorites but it doesn't get alot of love from the reactors. Cant go wrong with "7 Days to the Wolves" from the Wembley show either.

[@michaeldickens3622]

Or better still Winterson sons of winter and stars live at sonic pump studios

[@craigbolton5093]

Nightwish is my favorite band. I've always considered this song a masterpiece. A narcissistic, self-indulgent masterpiece, but hey- that's an artist's prerogative .

[@teckreactions]

True

[@jovetj]

More therapeutic than narcissistic. Funny how such masterful and beautiful artistry comes out of such pain and despair.

[@Starman_67]

I heard an interview where Tuomas said it was to avoid the horrible speculation poison caused by social media rumour mills

[@Starman_67]

Though probs more press than social media back then 😜

[@ikkeschopkont]

Who are we to judge someone else's trauma, grief, or pain, and how long it should or shouldn't last? Healing is a personal journey, and some wounds never fully heal. The events are less important than the pain itself. Since it's not our experience, we can't fully understand it, and prescribing a specific timeline for recovery is not only unhelpful but also dismissive.

[@teckreactions]

I’m not prescribing a specific timeline. But as a grown adult who has full control of how we treat the situations we find ourselves in, in two decades a conscious effort can be made to move on.

[@teckreactions]

@@RichardRan-0707 My apologies. I did mistake the upload date for the performance date. My wife and I have been through our share of traumatic events, her more than myself. And we've seen the messy middle of healing. But we still CHOOSE to heal and not perpetually live in it. While I'm sensitive to others' trauma, there does come a time when a decision has to be made. Either take the hard step of moving past it, or live in it and let it eat you alive.

[@melicriszoe1]

And now: "enough". From Tarja, to Nightwish.

[@WNYretiree]

Others have done a good job answering your questions. As to what you should do next, I would say go back to the hat. The Greatest Show on Earth is such a masterpiece that I would save it for a while, so that you have that anticipation for a bit longer. Just my opinion, of course. You have a long way to go yet, and so many really great songs to hear.

[@teckreactions]

Looking forward to it!

[@tracyfarnath2270]

There have been many different breakdowns and opinions of this song, everyone feels it differently, the main thing is that it's a, masterpiece and most people can relate to it in one way or another, great reaction, see you for the next one🇬🇧

[@tuuli4002]

Thank you! Poet and the Pendulum is a very emotional song and I don’t listen to it that often. I love the song! It's just too dark song to listen to all the time😊 This version is probably my favourite one. I love the album version as well (that's sung by Anette). The letter caused a huge sh*t storm, so in that sence they could have handled the things better. Tuomas himself has said that they could have handled Tarja's firing better. I think the letter is a bit coloured by emotions. But I think both parties have accepted a long time ago that all of them did things wrong. It was all of their (and the management's) fault. And now they are at peace with all of it. Nowadays, Tarja talks quite openly about her NW times. When she was asked if it bothers her that people always ask about NW, she said it doesn't. She is happy to talk about that time, she thinks the music they made together is really beautiful. She has also said that her favourite NW album is Once. I personally think that this break up with Tarja and NW had to happen... not necessarily the way it happened, but it had to happen at some point. All this led to this point where we have this amazing singer Floor as the NW's lead singer🥰 And Tarja got her solo career. I love what Tarja has done on her own! She grew to become a great songwriter and even greater singer than what she was in Nightwish. She is still peforming around the world. Now she is making her 6th studio rock album. Tarja is friends with Floor and Marko. I mean, Floor had nothing to do with Tarja's firing. They became friends already since Tarja was still in NW. In 2017, Marko fixed his relationship with Tarja and apologised to her. Last year, they performed Phantom of the Opera together again, after 18 years. This spring, they toured South America together and will continue to tour together throughout the year. Marko and Tarja also released a song together called Left on Mars (definitely worth checking out that one, I think it's great❤). And with the rest of the band members, she is not friends with them but everything seems okay. But my point is that, all of that is in the past and they have all moved on.

[@damienmaynard8892]

Some of the lyrics for the songs on their album "Once" seem to point to this coming, in hindsight. Like a train-wreck, can't look away, can't stop it. Marko sang the entire demo - darker, angrier, cruder. Guy Elliott was the boy soprano at the start - from St Mary's Choir School, Reigate. "Sparkle my scenery...." was also sung by a boy soprano on the album but Floor said that she could do it and Tuomas agreed. Kai is a human metronome! So on point! A metronome, a pendulum..... time. Time wounds all heals. My favourite song by Nightwish.

[@laudatosiadastra1218]

Experiencing this song for the first time had a huge effect on my life, a real turning point. I didn´t know the backstory and maybe that was a good thing at the time. I was able to relate so much to the lyrics and emotion of the music, it totally broke me to pieces and help put me back together. It´s incredible how music can do such a thing.

[@teckreactions]

Wow. That’s incredible.

[@tenaseesherry]

Oh, they are all way past it. Friends again. Fans on the other hand,……. 😳 😂😂😂❤

[@teckreactions]

Ha! I bet.

[@ceithern]

@@teckreactions When this went down they were in their 20s, so of course there was drama and immaturity! :P

[@annukkas]

​@@ceithernExactly what I was going to say. People in their 20s are really not as mature as they think. I'm now on my 40s and still don't think I'm a proper adult (whatever that means) and the 20+ year olds seem still part children. 😅

[@gunmetal2890]

I commented on the last vid I saw you watched (Ghost, Love, Score) picking up on the drum timing change... and here you picked up on the three minutes in the story and the event at that time. I appreciate your keen ear and attention to detail. Greatest Show on Earth... looking forward to it. Another one for the keen ear.

[@teckreactions]

Thanks for watching!

[@BoonesRevenge]

This was a really good reaction to Poet. A lot of reactors jump in without knowing the background and it really shows. Thank you for taking the time to look up this information.

[@teckreactions]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@skrenek12]

Regarding releasing the letter to Tarja, I saw an interview with Tuomos where he said they released the letter because one of the tenets of Nightwish was that they would always be completely transparent with their fans. That being said, I agree with your comment that could have been slightly less transparent and a lot more tactful with what they told the fans.

[@marknathan6699]

Visiting a grave never aches less , especially if the inscription is yours.

[@ChrisPhoenixMusic]

Unfortunately, Tuomas chose to release it because of the arguments they'd have backstage and in between rehearsals, he predicted she would release a different statement and try to twist the story in her favor. While this was from their perspective, it is why the decision was made to fire her. He was trying to get ahead of bad press making up things that are not true. He absolutely didn't enjoy it, and wished he didn't have to, but aside from that it was also transparency for the fans. It's not pretty, but sometimes bands and families will have awful times that can't be undone. I followed the press and the events while this was happening because I had been a fan already for several years. The wait for a new singer had me convinced they wouldn't continue. When Anette was hired this album was released and I knew then the next chapter was only beginning to unfold. All that said, Tarja isn't a bad person, but between the fame getting to her head and the pressure to be perfect and her husband she wound up behaving inappropriately. I honestly don't recall if she ever officially apologized, but she has been asked about it in interviews and she has mentioned regret for her actions and words then. It is what it is, but this song is the culmination of Tuomas's position between the anger of the fans and the loss of a band member and the closeness of a [once] dear friend.

[@ChrisPhoenixMusic]

P.S. People heal at their own rate. Since you now realize the time frame was not what you thought, they also rarely played this song at shows. It was always too upsetting for Tuomas. You won't ever see another professionally produced version of this song performed live.

[@teckreactions]

That makes sense.

[@tonilaitinen5197]

I'm just making assumption here - no-one knows for sure. Its not in anyway an unique story. Its very common human behavior that most of us have gone through in one form or another. What makes the song special is how the different states of mind have been able to be illustrated through the composition. One can find the mental states from the music even without knowing the actual story behind it. It was 2005 - most of the band was in their mid/late twenties. Immature is what one would expect at that point. That said, I have a feeling the guys thought "attack is the best defence", as Tarja had shown and told she was not going to commit to the band and acted as she was an irreplaceable quest "star". I guess the guys - Tuomas especially, were hurt from the disregard Tarja showed and decided to burn the bridges to make sure they would have to go forward with someone else. One must understand how personal work Nightwish must have been to Tuomas, and for someone to consider it as just a phase in their career must have been insulting. What should be emphasized is that the song is not about the breakup or who was to blame - its how Tuomas experienced and handled the backslash and the following mental problems. His own turmoils between self-accusations, anger and regret as well as the resentment from fans and media. The song is about his inner mental state - not about the band. One can see there is not a single accusation towards other people in the song. Its all his inner turmoil. He must have been torn as he thought he was making a favor to the band and everyone was accusing him for the "end of Nightwish". The funny thing is how Marko is now the one indirectly accusing Nightwish of being unfair and saying how he is "always" the one keeping bands together. I would imagine it was his own mental health issues that drove him off the band. And we all know how the type of mental health issues and mental exhaustion makes people think everyone else is to blame. Marko was also as a member of the band behind the letter to Tarja, and now he and Tarja are as old friends even though Tarja still says she doesn't want anything to do with the band. To me it looks pretty clear who are the difficult "superstars" here. ps. if one is looking for a song about the actual breakup and blaming people, its probably "Bye Bye Beautiful".

[@pekkakarppinen1608]

The chorus of this song is one of the best EVER! Haha, Tarja is now touring in South America with Marko Hietala. So, that's that. ⛄👍

[@elvwood]

The thing to remember about all the stuff around the split (such as the open letter) is that it was like a messy divorce: neither side is thinking straight and they are each blaming the other. Was Tarja a diva for not travelling with the others on the tour bus? No, because she was struggling with the tour schedule causing illness (which affects singers' ability to perform most), and it made sense to fly then get a good night's sleep rather than stay up late on a longer, uncomfortable journey, drinking too much. However, the band were feeling abandoned because of her decision to leave and to cancel concerts, so you can see why they might read it that way. Basically, the only information it really gives is that everyone was hurting. Everyone has since made up to an extent, though Tarja and Tuomas are only at the "sending condolence emails" level, while Marko (who was the most adamant she should go at the time) is recording with her again. Tuomas tends to feel things deeply, and has never handled band membership changes well. This, however, was the worst split, and they wrote three songs about the process: _Master_ _Passion_ _Greed_ is about Tarja's husband/manager and it was a mistake to put it on the album IMO, because it's basically venting. The music is fantastic, and I wish they'd written lyrics to accompany it that they would feel comfortable playing - it's never been performed live, and I think that's definitely the right choice, but it's a loss. _Bye_ _Bye_ _Beautiful_ is about how they felt Tarja had made a mistake. It's somewhat less vicious, and they did perform it live for a year or so, but again it belongs in the past. Interestingly, the music video was a response to critics saying Tuomas only hired Tarja's replacement because of her looks! _TP&tP_ is not about Tarja or Marcelo at all, but how the fans/critics/politicians treated Tuomas in the aftermath, and the effect it had on his mental health. As a result I have no problem with them continuing to play it, though I also respect Tuomas' decision not to. Tarja also wrote at least three songs about it: _I_ _Walk_ _Alone,_ which is kind of a goodbye song; _Diva,_ which is about how she felt at the time, and was only released a lot later (a much better decision IMO); and _Enough,_ which is basically about Nightwish writing angry songs about her and her marriage. I feel if reactors do _MPG_ and _BBB_ they should also do a couple of Tarja's for balance!

[@fredriknilsson6042]

I love Nightwish but for me you really dont need to do the homework.The homework does not explain the song anyway in my opinion. Sometime you just experience a song for the first time and then you get more in to it after. Its a masterpiece without reading the open letter

[@davidbarrass5210]

Agreed that you don't need to read the letters but knowing the back story that brought the track about gives you a better understanding of the song.

[@fredriknilsson6042]

@@davidbarrass5210 yes but often the backstory talks about the open letters. The song is more about the depression after for Toumas

[@laudatosiadastra1218]

I couldn´t agree more. Experiencing this song for the first time without knowing the backstory totally changed my life after a decade of darkness. I started to feel again after having no emotion for so long. I call it my cure because it allowed me to process pain and I felt it on the deepest personal level.

[@davidbarrass5210]

@@fredriknilsson6042 which is what I meant.

[@Starman_67]

You do you. Your channel. Random draw is fun. List is fun. It’s all Nightwish afterall. 🤘😎🤘

[@teckreactions]

Rock on!

[@corneliusantonius3108]

Kai Hatho is the sensei ofJukka

[@Suicideshakes]

I believe you hit the nail on the head. I think Tuomas felt he owed it to the fans to give an in depth explanation . Lay it all out on the line feeling like it just might be the end of Nightwish. Nightwish fans are die hard and if not for them, they wouldn't be Nightwish. That said, it WAS his music his heart and soul. I also believe Tarja got to big for her britches and their views inevitably would hit a breaking point. The whole thing was a He said She said and in my opinion, it all worked out in the end.

[@lorgrenbenirus]

And that moment when the blade came down, as Tuomas showed, was also when the three minutes was full, from previous part that was talked earlier.

[@clivematthews5296]

This was on the first album after Tarja was sacked. It was first sung as a demo by Marko. Then sung on the album by Anette and in only a few live performances as she was not suited to the song. Then at last we had this magnificent performance by Floor.

[@randomman4938]

Marko is indeed screaming, to represent the anger felt during this time. (at least that is how I have always interpretated it.)

[@arya.yudhistira11]

Last part always make me in tears, feels like my mother & father told me to keep strong and believe in their love.

[@asadotzler3069]

Tarja was hugely famous on her own with a solo career and if the band didn't put it's position out there she would have been telling her story to the press as the historical facts.

[@AdamVop]

Yeah, instead the band presented their letter as historical facts and didn't even give her a chance to comment

[@k.l.7788]

Actually it was Marko who said that he has had enough, it’s either him or Tarja leaving, so the band chose it will be Tarja. (This info from his book that came out about 4 years ago).

[@PetraPola]

The content of the book ends in 2016, printed 2018. Marko seems to have changed his mind a lot since then.

[@k.l.7788]

@@PetraPola had to google, 2017, geez, how the time flies. 😅

[@PetraPola]

@@k.l.7788 I looked in the book and there are more years, copyright in 2017, printed in 2018 and published in 2019 :-D And I also used Google. On Amazon, the print version is listed in 2019. But it doesn't matter. In terms of content, the book ends around the Wembley concert in 2016

[@user-cq8sv6pf6p]

Your best words; “it's about the song”. Good reaction, thank you👌

[@teckreactions]

Thank you 🙌

[@ryanlucker7680]

i love the 3 min easter egg in the song and it exactly is 3 min and this song is in the reversed order simply great

[@RonniePeterson]

Even without the backstory and lore the bottom line is that this is a masterpiece of composition and performance. Extra note, I am so looking forward to when you get to Wintersun and you will!

[@nightwishlover8913]

Fyi: Wembley ARENA - Wembley Stadium was a Football ground (Soccer, for you Americans!) Great reaction! Also, if you want to see what Kai can really do, watch WIntersun "Sons of Winter and Stars" Live rehearsal at Sonic Pump Studios kzbin.info/www/bejne/ip2YhWCdobmXjtk PLEASE!

[@randomman4938]

Kai is a machine! I believe he's been called the human metronome

[@roncav8]

Great reaction to one of the big 3, all performed at Wembley. Next should be Song of Myself, Wacken.

[@TheDarkConejo]

Nice reaction, and one of the most beatifull song ❤, 🤘🤘

[@Bonovin]

Thank you , great reaction ! nwAse Sweden reporting in

[@teckreactions]

Thanks for watching!

[@juantimer]

Good reaction, well contextualized. I think they don't play this anymore because it is kind of revisiting old wounds at this point and they have moved on. Getting back into this space is an emotional ask. It was indeed a little immature, that's fair, they were in their 20s at the time. I say back to the hat for a few!

[@teckreactions]

That’s fair. I was pretty immature at that age myself.

[@juantimer]

Oh and yes Kai is an absolutely master class drummer, nicknamed the Human Metronome for a reason. He has quite a few drum cams and other recordings of e.g. his jazz chops. You'd probably enjoy them as a drummer. His live intro to the fans, as it were, is on Weak Fantasy which is my favorite NW song.

[@scottb.4472]

Tuomas…….sorry…… this is one of the reasons why I find floor absolutely incredible because she had nothing to do with the situation, but she still signing the song with such emotion and feeling

[@alienware18]

The concert happened only 7 years after the suicide attempts... so it was rather recent... The band was conceived in 1996... so after 9 years already they split... Tuomas deserves care....He's too special to be honest... Hugs !!!

[@MiguelLopez-is9te]

Ann Wilson of Heart wrote Magic Man in 1974. When her relationship with her magic man ended in 1980, it devastated her. To this day, she finds it difficult to perform Magic Man and sometimes won't even put it on the set list. Some people can move on, others cannot

[@Evil_Peter]

Great reaction and I always appreciate when someone dares speak their mind respectfully, even if he thinks the thoughts won't necessarily be agreed with. Being authentic is very important for reactions as if someone is just trying to placate the audience it will just feel hollow. This recording is from 2015, with the song being finished in 2007, so not quite the 20+ years but still plenty of time had gone by. By the time this recording happens Tuomas is of course past his depression but the reason his band members check on him is because this song still gets him in touch with that dark place, even if he isn't that person anymore. Music is emotional, Tuomas is definitely a very emotional artist, and I think it's very understandable that emotions can still affect you through such experiences as this song even though you are past the issues. I've had some dark times that I emotionally get in touch with again when listening to this song, especially the last movement (where the lyrics are taken from what his mother said to him in real life) which really gives me back the feelings of relief when I finally moved past it. Tuomas has spoken about how it feels weird getting in touch with that version of himself when he's not the same person anymore, but at times he's had to ask the sound guys to take out the vocals from his monitors because it got a bit too close. All in all I think them checking up on him has been genuine but at this point it's likely grown into more of a tradition to just keep saying that they are there for each other rather than that it was really necessary.

[@teckreactions]

I confused the upload date with the performance date.

[@athlonen]

Keep in mind that this song is only a 3rd (technically, a 4th) of the actual response to the entire fiasco. Bye Bye Beautiful is Tuomas’ goodbye letter to Tara. Master Passion Greed is the band’s letter to Marcelo, whom the band blamed for this change in Tarja. The Poet and the Pendulum is Tuomas’ response to the fans from the backlash he received from them, and taking that head on. I Stand Alone is Tarja’s reply to the entire situation. None of these are going to be played live ever again. In fact, the only video of any live performance of Master Passion Greed I have ever seen was from a cover band in Russia playing it. And seeing how those walls of ice have been thawing over the past several years, the entire incident is buried in the past and should stay there.

[@schawo2]

Yes, the farewell letter was certainly immature. At the time, I was a fan, and it was the manner of the departure, rather than the separation itself, that shocked me more. To be frank, I was a fan of Tarja. For most of the fans I knew, Nightwish was essentially synonymous with Tarja Turunen. I couldn’t envision Nightwish without Tarja. My interest in Nightwish even waned for a brief period (only for months, not years), but the band kept fans engaged with audition updates and reports. So much so, that I purchased the CD on the day it was released. If you trace the events, you might come to realize that the letter was not only immature but also, and I say this with even greater severity, it was a crude publicity stunt at Tarja’s expense. However, to give credit where it’s due, the new album was a work of art. I played it on repeat for weeks. With this new chapter, Nightwish may have introduced their least popular lead singer, but they also released what I believe is their best album to date.

[@peterbockholm3176]

"Three minutes and counting" is sort of a reference to the part Dark Passion Play that is exactly three minutes long.

[@monicacarolina6480]

Sir, it IS incredible dark. Marco used the perfect voice for those phrases. During this music piece you hear ALL stages of depression and suicidal thoughts. The rage, the euphoric longing for death, the despair it's all in this song. Kaj is know as the human metronome, with reason. 🥰 That is indeed an hobo, the classical instrumentation is done by the London Symphonic orchestra.

[@wendymoonlitcreek9596]

They rarely every perform this song because of the intensity it holda for Tuomas. It is also important to remember this is not about Tarjas leaving but how the world reacted to it and how they treated Tuomas, which led to these feelings. He has her voice channel turned off in his in ear. I think if you really tune into the performance, you feel the sincerity of every movement, every tone.

[@zedski]

Kai is not called the human metronome for nothing :)

[@ascensionenergetics85]

This performance was in 2015 & Tarja was let go in 2005 10 years, not 18.

[@teckreactions]

I was confusing the upload date with the performance date.

[@rickphil9999]

You are correct but off on your timing. Nightwish hasn't performed this song live since the 2015 / 16 tour (so they have moved on). This was originally performed by Anette in 2008 but Floor performs it with so much more emotional impact that it still affected Tuomas and the audience. You caught the "3 minutes and counting" part but then the dying heartbeat after the eulogy is precisely 3 minutes after those spoken words. Note that this song starts the second movement with the spoken words "The End" (of the previous relationship) and closes the fourth movement with the spoken words "The Beginning" ( of Nightwish going forward ). Loved your reaction to this amazing composition and performance. Thank you.

[@teckreactions]

I confused the upload date with the performance date.

[@danellwein8679]

thank you for doing this .. i don't get into the drama of it .. i just like the music

[@teckreactions]

It's pretty cool.

[@danharris5999]

Kai is sometimes referred to as the human metronome. His timing is impeccable.

[@diom57]

This was the very last time they perform this song live.

[@APMM58]

A piece of paper and a pencil is enough to write down the names of the musicians 😂 Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱

[@teckreactions]

It’s not the spelling. It’s the pronunciation.

[@APMM58]

Well Harvinaisenkauniselama is a Finnish female reactor of Nightwish songs but she also has one episode used to tell how to pronounce the names correctly. And bye the way I like your reactions and the comments you have. Greetings again from the Netherlands 🇳🇱

[@JariJuslin]

When it comes to the letters, it's obvious the situation was more complex and stressful than the guys had means to handle. Remember the stakes were so high that even president of Finland criticized Tuomas for firing Tarja. It was obvious Tarja had to be fired, but not obvious how do it in a way that would make fans accept it and not kill the band.

[@k.l.7788]

Prime minister, not the president.

[@markusdd5]

it's real. I visited concerts on this tour. Also: this will probably never, ever, be played again live. They did this very selectively, for good reason. It's a musical masterpiece, in shape of an artistic suicide as to prevent a real one. This wasn't joking, by any stretch. You can sort of feel it when seeing this, but if you were actually a fan in 2k5 when it happened and when you actually where there when they played it...well...different game really. Intense.

[@tabatafernandes-on2lq]

As a drummer you will love Song of myself ...

[@Rancid-Jane]

23:45 to 23.53 the heart beats to a stop. Listen to the drum beats. DEATH!

[@vogel2280]

Ooooh...can of worms there on your first segment. I completely share your opinion, though. On top of that, the whole situation was a matter of cause and effect. Tarja's inability to spend her life on a tour bus was just incompatible with being a member of Nightwish. Then things go south, frustration sets in, things are said....

[@teckreactions]

Oh sure. And they were young. I was pretty immature when I was that young.

[@winterwillow3078]

Yes they all have moved on. Floor and Tarja are good friends, and Tarja was happy to have Floor join Nighwish. Tarja and Marko have and will perform together. I think it is time to enjoy Nighwish without the past drama, as with Tarja too.

[@johnsullivan8046]

i cry every time i watch this!

[@vhaarr]

It's not about "moving on", it's that some people based on their personality type when they relive an experience so thoroughly in their head they conjure up the emotions from that event as well. Other people don't. You probably don't. I do. It makes it "easy" for some actors to cry on demand without using onions or whatever helpers. While other actors can't.

[@chrisoleary1909]

The reason Nightwish fans tell people to hold off on doing this song is because there is so much to understand. Tuomas wrote this and killed himself in the song so that he wouldn't have to do it in real life. Imagine you're Eddie Van Halen and you fire the voice of the band, David Lee Roth in the early days of social media and the fan base ROASTS you for it for it years, well before celebrities have learned how to deal with social media criticism. No. This performance wasn't 3 years ago. It was 2015. It was still raw for him. And yes. It's real that his high school friend, Emmpu checks on him to see if he's doing alright on a song that he often has to ask the techs to turn the vocals off in his in ears because it's too much. Hold off on Greatest Show. You we'rent ready to fully appreciate this. Give yourself some time with the hat to get yourself ready for Greatest Show. You really want to be able to fully appreciate that one.

[@northof4912]

Tuomas has said himself that suicide was never a consideration. That is a fan legend that he does not support

[@alexandersteinmetz6857]

and all the big money packets to carry home with this Decision to go mass market pop voiced, with instrumentalising this Drama on Stage in heavy Bias....i still got my doubts if thats really what happened, or someone scripted it from the getgo.

[@DeepeningTheListening]

@@northof4912 Tuomas has said in an interview that he killed himself in this song so that he wouldn't have to do it in real life, so he had thoughts about suicide. That's not a fan legend, the interview of FaceCulture with Tuomas from 2018 is here on YT. He also said in another interview that he wasn't suicidal, meaning he had no plans to actually go through with it. There's a difference. The Poet and the Pendulum was the outlet for him to get these thoughts of suicide out without actually doing it.

[@northof4912]

@@DeepeningTheListening “no plans to actually go through with it”. Parse the concept however you want but if you have no plans to go through with it, then you are not considering it.

[@northof4912]

@@DeepeningTheListening “It would be an exaggeration to say Dark Passion Play saved my life, but it definitely saved my mental health.”

[@zerocool51]

In the middle of the song it says "I only have three minutes and counting", this sound effect and when he slices his throat in the video are exactly 3 minutes apart...

[@JariJuslin]

I don't think the heaviness and need for support is as much about kicking Tarja still being a fresh wound when this was performed but about Tuomas reliving his depression through the song. When he wrote this he was so depressed he almost ended his own life, and the song takes him back to those days. Coincidentally they now longer perform this song, because, as Tuomas has said, "I am no longer that person".

[@wren180]

We will never hear it live again. If you want true feelings after Tarjas' departure "Master Passion Greed" and "Bye Bye Beautiful," are probably a good start.

[@leemarinus]

Yes TGSOE but from Tampre Finland.... all the way thru the credits