Style Select: Drunken Fist in Fighting Games

[@Keinish79]

When I was younger I sometimes sparred with a friend, he was a lot more into kung fu movies than I was. One time he tried swaying and throwing some drunken fist moves he'd seen from the movies, and I am not going to lie, they were really hard to predict. We were not serious or anything, but I could totally see how the moves could work, specially if mixed up with the regular stuff.

[@justalurker3489]

I mean, sure if you're against someone who doesn't train, then you're probably faster and are throwing unpredictable moves. But against another person who knows how to fight? Yeah you're probably going to get beat up if they're anywhere close to you in skill.

[@UrLeingod]

@@justalurker3489 That's kind of a lot of codified traditional martial arts in a nutshell: They tend to presuppose that you're going up against someone who, if not untrained, is at least not as trained as you are. After all, they weren't developed for combat sports or warfare, they were developed for self-defense and self-mastery, and generally "self-defense" means some malnourished punk who wants to mug you, not a hardened veteran looking for a fight to the death.

[@ReblazeGaming]

@@UrLeingod But I thought a lot of martial arts were actually developed to fight and defend against invaders or to be used in warfare and stuff. I mean ancient warriors before guns would’ve all been using martial arts especially since most traditional martial arts include multiple types of weapon training.

[@capnbarky2682]

@@ReblazeGaming Most of history is not actually warfare though. Most of history is pretty unremarkable peacetime where the underlying contradictions of society eventually bubble up into wartime. In peacetime warrior traditions and martial arts continue to be practiced, but without actual battlefields where the equipment and soldiers of the time are trained to the most extreme extents, techniques tested etc, they will devolve into what can allow the authorities of these arts to survive. Dojos tend to "devolve" into sport and self defense classes because these are the only real expressions of martial arts in peacetime. This is true of Karate and Muay Thai, Taekwondo and Jiu Jutsu. Without warfare requiring martial arts, martial arts become nothing more than a sideshow. As such the way we experience martial arts as people born in peacetime will always be greatly divorced from how martial arts in the purest expression of combat can look like. Personally I think that's for the best, even as a martial artist.

[@DOT107]

@@ReblazeGaming some bladed to freehand style are, but hand to hand tend to be on the self defense side of things. in none warfare time when weapon ban are stricter, hand to hand shines.

[@Stroggoii]

Even if you can't find any examples of "real" Zuiquan, Emanuel Augustus proved the thesis of the style true. You can in fact zap away the opponent's energy and will to fight with creative evasion, you can also infuriate the judges and have crowds throw trash at them while booing when they refuse to give you the W in fights you thoroughly dominated.

[@GallowglassAxe]

Yes! Emanuel Augustus is an amazing example. I think anyone who studies drunken fist and wants to actually apply it to real combat needs to see breakdowns of his fights. It really sucks what happen to him and I hope he makes a comeback.

[@somdow]

i was just abut to post something about Augustus lol. can watch him fight all day!!

[@joeclarke7982]

He was on the side of so many bad decisions it's honestly ridiculous

[@dxcSOUL]

It also saps your stamina so good luck lol

[@chefxhyrule242]

Shame they robbed him of some fight he definitely won

[@Neoxon619]

To be honest, I’m surprised that Street Fighter never did a drunken fist character.

[@Daniel_Coffman]

The Street Fighter Wiki lists DF as one of Lee's styles, but I'm not sure if he ever actually uses anything of it in gameplay; especially with his only game being the very first Street Fighter. I don't know anything about any appearances outside of that game and cameos, though.

[@biorobot2]

I think it’s because it would hurt the brand. SF is family friendly, I don’t think that a Drunken fighter would make it.

[@ryukenhadouken775]

@@biorobot2 Street Fighter is FAR from family friendly

[@ryukenhadouken775]

@@biorobot2 and I don't think a drunken-inspired fighting style would ruin the brand of a game with a huge amount of fighting styles.

[@azuredragon8388]

@@Daniel_Coffman there's actually some promotional art of him where he's got the typical drunken fist look of Beggard So

[@hiddenability4724]

ABI got tired of Capoeira getting looked over for everything else every vote and just decided "Fuck it i'm just doing it anyways"

[@Iffem]

"i wanna talk about my kicky dancy fighters, goddammit"

[@dane4605]

In case you can't read the text @ 8:50 and want to read it, here it is: Let's be real: at the time of his conception, Bo Rai Cho was nothing more than a lowbrow barf and fart joke. There is nothing irreverent of his depiction of Zuiquan in Deadly Alliance, he's just there to be a fat drunkard who farts and barfs because fat characters in video games in the 2000s weren't allowed to have dignity. I'm aware that he was given a more 'faithful' Drunken Master variation in MKX and he's even got the same "lying on the floor" stance that all other Zuiquan characters have, and you'll have to forgive me for going of about MK animation again, but this is an easter egg anyway. In a rare case for NRS animation, Bo Rai Cho's floor stance demonstrates a bizarre instance in which animation cancelling is actually working against their favor. Most characters who use this stance can transition into it organically by falling over from another move, but since Bo Rai Cho can just cancel into it, it looks like he halts anything he's doing to just lay down for 1/4th of a second before standing back up to continue his attack. I've seen combos with this move and it looks like he's just planking mid-combo. It's imperceptible, and not in the fun Zuiquan way. Even still, no matter how noble they attempt to make Bo Rai Cho, there is nothing dignified about farting and barfing as a fighting style. He will never rise above being a 3rd grader's fart joke. It should come as no surprise that I do not like Bo Rai Cho.

[@ingasparrow]

Bo' Rai Cho comes from the word "borracho" meaning "drunk" in Spanish. Notably, there is a dish in Mexico called Frijoles Borrachos or "drunken beans". Shiner Beer has their own brand and it's pretty good.

[@joshbruh6584]

I think that if they wanted him to be more dignified but didn’t want him to lose the functions of the fart and puke they could just replace them with a fire breath move since that is associated with drunken styles and a move where he intentionally spills some liquor for the opponent to slip on. I really like Bo Rai Cho’s concept but it’s such a shame they never did this.

[@ingasparrow]

@bob bobthebobbobofbobby And if you've actually watched Drunken Master with Jackie Chan, humiliating an opponent with a fart isn't that out of place for Drunken Style.

[@strippinheat]

@@joshbruh6584 Funnily enough, they actually did replace his barfing with fire breath in one of his MKX variations.

[@bodhimind108]

@@ingasparrow Scheiner has a brand of drunken beans?! I'm down for most things Scheiner,but I'm not so sure about how that would go. Now,a boch with a burrito sounds ds like a good time.

[@EZPZ_SoBadItsGood]

You forgot one interesting example of a drunken boxer in a video game. The rapper Fleva Flav in "Def Jam Fight For NY". He's the only character with that fighting style, and one of only 2 specialized fighting styles. All other characters get one of 5 move sets, aside from Sean Paul and a few fictional characters who can do Capoeira (for your next video). This is until the expansion, where many more fighting styles are added, including 2 types of drunken fist. I know it's not a traditional fighting game, but IMO it counts.

[@Dilitrium]

Lil' Flip also does Capoeira iirc

[@Ramsey276one]

Thanks for the info!

[@iwannaplayssbb6665]

fucking make a new video that is not a Preggers ytp

[@TheOrangeRoad]

I loved the def jam series, or course I dont think I knew what drunken fist or Brazilian dance fighting was back then

[@Gamsterjeff600]

I would call it traditional because theres no wacky fictional stuff happening.

[@KazanmaTheSilverWind]

As for actual drunken fist comments They do give the gameplay experience on the other end too. Most of em are really frustrating to fight without extensive matchup knowledge because of how tricky they are, so even without playing them, you know what Zui Quan is all about

[@MaoriGamerDood]

Drunken Masters aren't Drunkards. They Are Masters of the Art of The Drink. Much like learning a Video Game. You gotta actually Play the game. Other wise like a normal Drunk, you're just stumbling/button mashing.

[@devinweathers7520]

I gotta show appreciation for all metrial arts

[@Ramsey276one]

LOVED THIS, starter

[@joebaumgart1146]

I've beaten a professional Street Fighter II Turbo player by just randomly button mashing. Dumb brute force is still a technique. Like spamming the b button.

[@MaoriGamerDood]

@@joebaumgart1146 neat. Who did u pick?

[@leoleo4469]

@@joebaumgart1146 after all, you could probably slug a boxer down if you're drunk, with a lot of luck- after all, it did apparently only happen once for you

[@joshbruh6584]

I feel like Bo Rai Cho could have been a great character, considering how cool he is conceptually, if he fought like a mix of Po from Kung Fu Panda and Despa from Ranking of Kings . A fighter who has the technique to be an unstoppable badass but his body can’t keep up so he instead melds his knowledge with his weight to take advantage of it with some unorthodox attacks but MK just made him the funny fart and puke man. What’s strange is that those moves could be changed to remove the grossness and still work the same such as breathing a burst of fire to replace the fart and a move where he spills a puddle of his drink to replace the puke. Such Wasted Potential

[@Euro.Patriot]

He was amazing, that's what the fans made him out to be. He's the reason why Liu and Kung can fight. The fucker is capable of crushing your limbs with 2 belly flops.

[@huytungnguyen119]

Lore wise, he's a great fighter. He freaking trained Liu Kang and Kung Lao and even friend with Raiden. Sadly gameplay wise he's discarded as drunken fart puke bastard.

[@jasonsmith530]

He could be much more than a cheap joke character. A great MK game has yet to be made

[@akilcharles3473]

Maybe thats why he stands out more, I guess if one is not a fan of a charcater that imcorporates burfs and farts in a fight but for Bo Rai Cho he stands out from the norm. Everyone else style of drunken kung fu is sorta the same the way you see them, pretty much to catch the opponent off guard by their crazy movements and offence. However some differentiate like Chin Gentsai who somewhat fights with a weapon which is a Sake bottle. And in the case of Bo Rai Cho he imcorporates that by his weight and domeanour. Also the fact some of these characters fighting style and looks are somewhat based on Jackie Chan /Freddy Wong it surprises me when noticing Bo Rai Cho might be imspired by Sammo Hung who also is fat and a great martial artist(& probably Jackie's friends). He maybe disgusting but I still like him. Plus in a game full of blood and gore, burps and farts are nothing.

[@venomw6823]

Ironically outside of combat in mkx, he's actually treated quite seriously and actually does show some dignity. Like, yeah he does make jokes but not the cheap gross out kind that the barfing farty man would but if you only saw his MKX intros, you can buy that he was the master of Liu Kang and Kung Lao

[@jp3813]

1:45 The Eight Drunken Immortals as defined by the Drunken Master films: Lu Dongbin = the drunkard w/ inner strength [Jackie also plays him in The Forbidden Kingdom under the character's birth name] Zhang (Chan) Gualao = the drunkard w/ the swift double-kicks Lan Caihe = the drunkard w/ the sudden deadly waist attack He (Ho) Xiangu = the drunken woman flaunting her body Li Tieguai = the drunken cripple w/ the powerful right leg Han Xiangzi = the drunken flute player w/ the powerful wrists Cao (Tso) Guojiu = the drunkard w/ the powerful throat lock Zhongli (Jun) Quan = the drunkard holding a pot in his arms The cool thing is many of these references are included in the games, particularly in Brad Wong's moveset. Also, I love that this video ends w/ a preview of capoeira since that's another deceptive style that's so entertaining to watch, especially when matched up against drunken fist.

[@gabrielgonzalez3462]

Thank you

[@Craft2299]

I really like the idea of Drunken Martial Arts in general. It breaks down the "Meta" of martial arts into a circle, you deceive the opponent into making a mistake. And as a Lei Wulong main in most if not all the tekken games, ive bamboozled friends and online due to the seemingly blended togheter moves that can also look like I whiffed by mistake (I didnt).

[@kevingriffith6011]

Something interesting about Drunken Fist in fiction that I think is worth mentioning: As far as I'm aware, Drunken Fist doesn't *lose* when it's employed... and I think that's part of the trope of the "unbeatable joke character". (Naturally, I can't be certain here, I may have only seen about 10% of it's fictional depictions if we're being generous). I think part of it is because "lovable antics" and "tension" don't mix very well: If our hero is being a goofball in a fight or just having too much fun then it's super entertaining to watch, but there is almost never any tension in the scene. The goofball character is always in control of the fight, and if that character isn't dominant in the fight then it's just not fun anymore. These characters will win every fight you put them in, but will never fight any fight that matters. (This isn't limited to drunken fist, by the way. Zangief is a perfect example in SF5's story: He's just having a grand old time and really doesn't seem to break a sweat in any of his fights, even against capable world warriors like Balrog... but that's because if we were to put Gief up against M.Bison and have Gief lose... well then watching Zangief after that point wouldn't be as much fun.)

[@BHRaccoon]

A very good observation! The mood of scenes with Drunken Boxing characters rarely lends itself to them losing. I do recall, though, that Rock Lee did lose in Naruto when he first employed Drunken Fist (or at the very least was on the verge of losing before being rescued), and his fight was against one of the more important foes in the series at that time. However, his opponent beat him by finding ways to make him sober up, as it was discovered that he could only use the style while actually drunk. In that way, the only method that an enemy was able to use to defeat a Drunken Fist practitioner was to *remove* Drunken Fist as an option in the fight. In other words, the style itself was still unbeatable!

[@Macrochenia]

I think part of the reason it never loses in fiction is because it's pretty much universally a heroic martial art. You just never see antagonistic characters who are practitioners of the style.

[@anxiousweeb8753]

4:30 funny enough, a boxer by the name of Emanuel Augustus (aka the drunken master...heh) uses the concepts of Zui Quan surprisingly well (considering he's never been trained in the style) with his use of deception and drunken like moves. with his unusual postures, he baits his opponents to make a mistake and attacks in unorthodox angles and it actually works for him, even so far as to almost beating Floyd mayweather jr.

[@henrystammen5584]

I’ve heard of this guy

[@Rick-ww9xb]

Came here to say this

[@GiantRobotUppercut]

it's still so weird to me that NRS had the legitimate chance to redeem Bo-Rai-Cho in MKX by making him less of a joke and implementing that drunken master charm of "whimsical but respectable martial arts master" and then they just... kinda just had to have their cake and eat it too. Like, story-wise and lore-wise, Bo-Rai-Cho is exactly that, a respected martial arts master who bums around as a drunkard. You can see it in his MKX interactions. Standard stuff for the archetype, but NRS just, like, had to keep the farts and puke as if they were an integral aspect of the character and not part of why people hated him in the first place and continue to resent his existence. It's one of those baffling fumbles that doesn't really surprise me from the writers at NRS, but it's still disappointing nonetheless.

[@Gator_Queen8188]

Yeah even as a fan of the character I really like his characterization but I feel that his identity is way too deeply tied to weaponized vom and honestly I have no clue how to fix that :/ Maybe like instead of making it literally vom and shit maybe make it like some acidic liquid technic that is totally not vom or sumthin idk I swear NRS is legit insanely bipolar in character writing were they are capable of making some trash while also making really fun characters with great interactions. Idk man :/

[@justalurker3489]

@@Gator_Queen8188 He could just spill his drink from a flask?

[@Gator_Queen8188]

@@justalurker3489 yeah sumthin like that. Like fuck my sleep deprived ass can't talk lmao

[@Elartteco]

I think he always be a joke character, the name Bo-rai-cho sounds like the spanish word "Borracho" it means "drunk guy"

[@willdiesel8431]

@@Elartteco good point. Also to the original poster I'm not sure why it would be weird seeing as how NRS operates. I mean when they went under the moniker of Midway alot of wacky stuff came from the earlier games. They don't have to change their identity to appease the silent few

[@Impalingthorn]

This was super informational. I have always had a mild interest in Drunken Boxing due to my uncle who got me into martial arts to begin with, but out of all of the arts I studied I never actually looked into it that much. This was neat. It also makes me realize Bo Rai'Cho from Mortal Kombat is now bad for one more reason because he actually is just a smelly drunkard. Side note: God I hope I wasn't the reason for the Disclaimer given the comment I left about Baji Quan a few episodes back.

[@Cyberfan2167]

So does that make drunken fist bad then?

[@Impalingthorn]

@@Cyberfan2167 I honestly couldn't say. I mostly judge arts for the philosophies and habits they condition people into. Like, Capoiera just as an example. Cap' has a ton of useful qualities about it; trains flexibility, cardio, endurance, translates into pretty much every other kicking art out there... But you'll also have a lot of people that will go into MMA and real fights that might just start dancing without consideration and forget someone simply rushing in for grappling, something most untrained fighters will do by instinct, can compromise not only their kicks but can quickly make things go south if this happens on concrete and you happen to immediately pull something. Even worse in scenarios like, say, knife fights. I bring that up because that's what I have the most experience with and simply acknowledging the potential presence of a knife in a real street fight is an important thing to consider that most people don't. Drunken Fist? It's an art I don't have much hands on experience with, but if we're talking "bait and switch" martial arts where you deceive and/or goad opponents into doing what you want, I COULD see it having some practicality.

[@kingofthesharks]

Street Fighter has heard finally heard the call. Capcom saw your video title, saw your channel logo, then put something together in 2 weeks :P

[@sadetwizelve]

Emanuel Augustus is the closest thing we'll get to drunken boxing in modern times.

[@Ramsey276one]

Link please?

[@reozen17]

@@Ramsey276one m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4DQaItnqZ11orM here you go

[@jp3813]

@@Ramsey276one Use the search bar.

[@Swichmech]

After seeing the Tekken gender swap mods about a year ago, I noticed that there isn’t a drunken fist user/practitioner who is a woman in any media, or at least not one I could think of. (edit) Here’s the mod showcase kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpimhZx8p7WogM0

[@SeanHiruki]

Yeah we are in dire need of a drunken waifu

[@gamerbear84]

There's a niche a fighter could fill.

[@ExeloMinish]

Suika in the Touhou fighter games, I guess? Though that's less drunken fist and more an actual drunk who happens to fist

[@ishanhii8797]

Ever played Yuli from Kensei Sacred Fist?

[@kyshowman6847]

Not a fighting game, but Lambretta from Granblue is an example of a drunken fist fighter in that gacha

[@BHRaccoon]

I'm SO looking forward to you covering Capoeira! They're some of my favorite characters in fighting games and I'm always sad when the style doesn't win your polls for coverage.

[@107Pedro]

I do wknder if he's gonna cover the cultural aspect of capoeira, its also quite funny how Elena is more acurate to Capoeira philosofy than the Brazilians Eddie and Christie

[@jurtheorc8117]

i wonder if he knows of a game by name of Kya: Dark Lineage. I've heard some of the main character's moves are based on Capoeira.

[@aluisiofsjr]

@@107Pedro , how does is she more accurate?

[@107Pedro]

@@aluisiofsjr capoeira was born as a martial arts disguised as dance, to this day its very rhythmic, so Elena BEATS IN MY HEAD is super capoeira like

[@ProjectSudoku]

9:30 Makes sense, you’ve been wanting to cover Capoeira since the show started. Guess you got tired of the vote and decided, “Fine, I’ll do it myself.”

[@AllTheRooks]

I'm not sure I've ever really found much proof that the full-on Jackie Chan / Lei Wulong exaggerated drunk swaying type of Drunken Boxing is particularly efficient in tournaments, but the concept behind it sure is. The idea of this bizarre flexibility and striking from completely unexpected angles that just shouldn't work and don't follow the rules of the particular martial art absolutely works. Look at "Prince" Naseem Hamed in professional boxing, who doesn't stand in that traditional Drunken Master stance and doesn't flop around everywhere, but he does kinda just bend his body in bizarre positions that look like he's completely off-balance with zero defence, only for him to continually slip punches in these absurd positions and suddenly throw killer punches without looking like he's able to put any power in to them. That idea of intentionally breaking your own discipline's rules and standards to constantly have the element of surprise is absolutely an efficient style in actual competitive fights if mastered.

[@KoreanRambo]

Prince Naseem Hamed used to fight a lot more tight in the early stages of his career. A lot of his best work was done off the corkscrew uppercut or while shifting forward, power hitting from both stances. The two times he is truly off-balance is when he bends at the waist to duck a hook or when he pulls back but forgets to take a back-step with it. The positions aren't that absurd, it just looks that way because he commits a tremendous deal of weight to each stance to make the change of head positioning that much more dramatic. Which, in turn, loads up insanely strong punches from having the opportunity to do so by sending his opponent off-balance with his distance management. It's also because his career was mostly built up on crushing cans and proving to be vulnerable even at some earlier tests in his career against opponents he should have won against easily on paper with his perceived skill set. People say that his style is awkward because he chooses to break the rules like a boxing Picasso; however, I think it's more because he wasn't really that technically sound in the first place and used many attributes of his as crutches to double down on his strengths.

[@elijahnakumura4375]

@@KoreanRamborecisely. Emmanual Augustus would be a better example as he was literally dancing. Subtly shifting his weight to compensate for how often he loaded up, starting with what would usually be on the end of a combo then ending with lighter punches to allow movement for the next “shimmy” or whatever. Both fighters were ultimately defeated by technique because theres no real way to get “better” at these unique ways. Like you start the New Game at you’re ceiling and blow through the beginning, but eventually the rest will rise to a higher skill cap.

[@Saikyokugen]

Drunken Fist (Zui Quan) is easily one of the most entertaining fighting styles that exists. It's really cool to watch, and it's truly unique by its moves and techniques. I'm gald that, in fighting games, it has some really cool representations. (I hope someday, someone actually provides a female drunken fist fighter too. It'd be actually interesting to see it.)

[@KyeCreates]

What's interesting about a female version except from the character just being a woman.

[@Saikyokugen]

@@KyeCreates It's not something usual. Normally, you don't see a woman drunk, or acting wild and beating the people with no reason other than just being drunk. It's just a thought of mine.

[@KyeCreates]

@@Saikyokugen I see, respect it 👍

[@Saikyokugen]

@@KyeCreates Thnx for comprehend it bro. 💪👍

[@edsonsengo2684]

Perfect timing. SF now has a new Drunken Kung Fu fighter

[@SirGrimly]

Of course people had to vote this video in before SF6 so we wouldn't get footage with Jamie in it XD Great video all around and definitely favorite series from you

[@Specter053]

Speaking of Tabletop RPGs, Pathfinder 2e also has the monk, a pretty straightfoward class with the whole idea of martial arts: using inner knowledge and the mix between strength and speed to get the upper hand, and the fight styles are represented by the different stances you can take. Most are either focused on Strength, Dexterity or Wisdom, but the Stumbling Stance differs from it. It is a stance that favors Charisma and Dexterity, Dex to hit the attacks and Charisma to fool your opponents with a well-placed Deception check. When you enter the stance, you gain bonuses to feints and your fists gain the Backstabber trait, dealing more damage against foes who are caught offguard by your bubbling movement, and if you get hit by an enemy, you move yourself in such a way that you are able to make your next attack more precise. You can even feint before doing your Flurry of Blows and beat someone even more! Also, fuck Bo Rai Cho. All my Drunken homies hate Bo Rai Cho.

[@DemonBlanka]

Everything I hear and read about 2e sounds so cool. I need to get my group to play it.

[@jamesbrice3267]

A shame they didn't include it in Path of the Righteous.

[@budgetcommander4849]

fuck pathfinder seems so cool

[@msgasmdc107]

Halfway through the vid, see Sifu, and am glad knowing you know about Absolver, few people seem to these days

[@jalapenoofjustice4682]

Meitenkun is kind of a genius idea at his core - his comcept is basically "what if drunken boxer but sleepy instead of drunk"

[@griskykunnn1005]

never think about it that way. that's cool! now I might give the character a chance haha

[@AlD-nv6tf]

In “Def Jam: Fight for New York” you can combine fighting styles to get some crazy martial arts styles. One of them being drunken fist if you combine martial arts+streetfighting+wrestling. Its pretty cool.

[@gamerbear84]

"We're not talking about Bo Rai Cho" FAIR. lol Drunken Master is the first kung fu flick I ever owned, got it from His Master's Voice in London, I remember since I had to have dad buy it for me cause I wasn't 15 yet. To this day one of my favorites in the genre.

[@aaronhussey8522]

I'm surprised Bloody Roar characters are never brought up when talking about fighting games in videos like this. There is a character in the series who fits the mold as an incredibly unique Drunken Fist style character and their name is Busuzima. I highly recommend checking the games and the character out to get what I mean.

[@abohsukampret]

I never see Busuzima as a drunken fist-style fighter. His style might be awkward and unpredictable, but doesn't look that "drunken" to me.

[@aaronhussey8522]

@@abohsukampret but it is based on deception and bait-and-switching your opponent. Then again, it might just be the character himself having a nonsensical fighting Style that's not really a style, but the closest one I can relate it too is Drunken Fist.

[@Ramsey276one]

I see the “misleading” core of Busizima… The character is Uber-hateable in-universe, unfortunately

[@Suika_Ibuki_The_Drunk_Oni]

Characters in bloody roar dont seem to use real martial arts much, with a few very good exceptions. Then again, when you can turn into a 7 foot Wolf or a rabbit, normal martials arts probably need some work.

[@Ramsey276one]

@@Suika_Ibuki_The_Drunk_Oni like the chameleon or PENGUIN.

[@tedjomuljono3052]

Ah yes Healing, my favorite Capoeira move

[@ronyoshii]

I bet you're pretty peeved at the announcement of Jamie right after this video came out. For some reason drunken master and drunken boxing has filled my feed lately. Interesting video. Thank you.

[@NeoMoses]

You need to update this since Jamie is Drunk boxing in SF6

[@8Sigurd]

Awesome vid dude! It's weird that you're mentioning Lei Wulong from Tekken, but don't mention Dr. Bosconovich from Tekken 3. He is'nt technically a kung fu martial artist, but he incorporates the very essense of the Drunken Fist style - he trips unexpectedly, attacks from unexpected positions and luls opponent into false sense of security by looking like a feeble old man who can't even stand straight.

[@YouGuessIGuess]

Lei will always be my favorite Tekken character thanks to the incredible fluidity and potential to confuse and amuse that is baked into the single largest moveset of any fighting game character ever. (to my knowledge)

[@KittSpiken]

I respect the integrity of a person who puts a disclaimer in their video that has it demonetized in China.

[@yuhboik.g.8118]

2:07 man i'd love to hear you talk about Choy Li Fut more on this channel someday. i've practiced it for around 7 years. Though I know it pretty much never shows up in media, no less fighting games

[@RadiantNinja]

nerd

[@juanrodriguez9971]

Chin is my favorite KOF character ever since u was a kid, playing a drunk man was fun to both watch and play. Thanks for covering him on this video.

[@animeballsdeep]

These videos are great ☺️

[@advangel9763]

This is a surprise.

[@writinggoose6059]

Jamie as a Zui Quan user is undeniably the most original rendition of Zui Quan in fighting games and part of reason is how he combines this fighting style with break-dancing. At first this combination seems odd, a Chinese martial art and an urban performance art, but what unifies the two styles is how they both value unpredictability. The former values it for the sake of tactical advantage, juking opponents with unreadable movements. The latter values it for the sake of originality, showing the audience your creativity and personal style. The way this translates to Jamie's gameplay is the drink level system: each level give Jamie a new target combo and special move. You cannot rely on a rote set of moves to play Jamie effectively, you have to go out of your comfort zone and use the new stuff as you unlock it mid-match. The opponent too has to pay attention to Jamie's drink level, or else they'll get blindsided by a move they didn't see coming. It's very easy to forget that Jamie gets a command grab at level 3 because reaching lv 3 tends to happen near the latter half of a match.

[@duckie192]

part of the mysticism of Drunken Fist is the idea of being Drunk keeps you "Loose". *SUPPOSEDLY* ; what i mean by that is that most inexperienced martial artists tense up too much while preparing to fight, while (most) experienced fighters are loose and almost looking relaxed even while prepared. alcohol (supposedly) relaxes the fighter to a degree that helps it helps them achieve that state of limberness, along with the other benefits such as being totally smoshed and unpredictable, and able to take ungodly amounts of punishment, perhaps, again, because they're so relaxed on impact, and maybe also because alcohol dulls some of the pain. EDIT: Forgot to add that it being drunk also emphasizes impulse against overthinking (thus leading to some the first decision on action, rather than going through the entire process of "want to hit his face, punch with left hand"), and thus putting the muscle memory of the martial artist into full showing, even when drunk. The worst thing most chinese martial artists can do is to tense up too much - while rigid, most chinese martial arts are still considered "soft" and require good flexibility to achieve. simply put, some alcohol might be a good factor, too much is gonna be not great.

[@ikagura]

What about the Shaori defense? I learnt it from Baki.

[@duckie192]

@@ikagura kinda the same application, yeah?

[@peterwang5660]

My Sanda (Chinese kickboxing) coach grew up on a martial arts boarding school near the Shaolin temple learning modern performance Wushu and Sanda. He’s shared some of the myths and stories that he was taught as a kid. True Drunken Fist is essentially extinct because, all of your guesses on the Point of alcohol in martial arts is correct, but obviously, surging it through your veins while taking and giving a beating or doing high intensity training is INCREDIBLY UNHEALTHY. Imagine if an MMA gym secretly made all its members take crack, and just called it “crack-fighting” sure, that’s…. Tough guy shit? But obviously they gonna be fucked up if they keep it up.

[@Just.Kidding]

@@ikagura not a real thing, sorry to say

[@Just.Kidding]

The idea of "soft martial arts" has been, with a few exceptions, almost entirely debunked.

[@ajshiro3957]

man, the 8 Drunken Emortals sounds like the name of a new Wu Tang album. XD I always liked how they have drunken boxing usually done by some old dude that seems to always have a bottle in hand. It makes it feel like they really are drunk somehow. Shun di was my favorite drunken character. He was tricky to play, but I managed to get good with him.

[@Nocturne989]

And lo and behold, we have a cool ass new character rep in Jamie for SF6!

[@akilcharles3473]

You know whats interesting here is that a good majority of popular fighting games has a drunken master in it, all except Street Fighter. Which is weird considering the amount of different fighting styles there is in that game karate,ninjitsu,muay thai even some kung fu practitioners like Chun-li,Fei Long,Gen,Yang and Yun. But theres never been one that studies and masters drunken kung fu in them which is sad. Hopefully when SF6 does comes out soon we might get a drunken master but i'll probably doubt it.

[@JustAnotherGuy151]

Well, we definitely do now. Jamie looks pretty cool, honestly.

[@JoaoLucasK]

We got Jamie now

[@OziumG]

Emmanuel Augustus was a famous pro boxer know officially as the drunken master. He had erratic head movement that would make it difficult for his opponents to land a clean shot and rhythm so unique that people couldn’t time their guards. Addition these unorthodox movements of his allowed him to hit his opponents from crazy angles. He was a seriously talented boxer, even so far as nearly beating a young Floyd Mayweather.

[@dimitrivgumayagay9817]

A beat-em-up game that comes to mind with Drunken Fist would be the Yakuza series, specifically Yakuza 4 and it’s character ‘Minami’. I couldn’t say for sure how accurate his versions/style of Drunken Fist is, but the inspiration is very much there

[@Wyngless]

Raging Bender Car Key Jutsu is actually my fighting style.

[@kujo4388]

As an mk fan “we’re not talking about bo’rai’cho” hurt, but I can completely understand it.

[@LostSoulSilver]

I don't get it

[@Logan7281X]

Brad Wong is one of the reasons I LOVE the Dead or Alive series. The fluidity of the movements aren't limited to any one character, which makes Brad a lot of fun to play with. Especially if going against button mashers and projectile fighters. MK and Tekken are too stiff.

[@dieterhrabak4947]

Fighting that guy demands calm head and deep thinking.. just spamming kicks and punches, throwing attempts here and there could work but if the fight gotten prolonged, he could easily won that fight... Same goes with the rule playing him..

[@Hektols]

And when he is an opponent it's almost impossible to make counters against him.

[@Chispa9119]

I just found this channel through some mk deadly alliance video and it's easily my new favorite channel. I am going to watch and rewatch everything you have available!

[@fabriciodesi]

and now we got jamie

[@danielgonzalezlopez2147]

Fun fact: Bo Rai Cho comes from the Spanish word "Borracho" (boh-rah-cho), which means literally drunk.

[@heardofrvb]

Looks like this video might get updated soon.

[@ittokaos]

The research you did on this is well done. I've studied kung fu for years and this is great. You earned this sub.

[@gamerbear84]

And two weeks later Street Fighter introduces its first Drunken Fist character (where the style actually shows)

[@gg2fan]

The random left turn to make a venomous comment about le ebil ccp was such a reddit moment

[@dakliq420]

And now Jaime continues the tradtion

[@alleged_lobotomite]

Glad we’re getting a capoeira video, had no clue why it was getting out-matched in voting

[@jadziawynter9241]

It would be nice to see a drunken fist character that is a drunk party girl

[@cable.3538]

5:57 that Brad clip has to be the most satisfying fighting game clip I ever saw

[@XernuhtZwei]

I'm glad you touched on how off-tempo Brad feels among the DOA cast, since it's the reason I've kept him as a secondary for my locals and online. I'm probably a better Momiji/Honoka player, but nothing disrupts the flow of a losing streak like swapping between them and Brad, and vice-versa. He's also just so much fun.

[@ThePianist51]

🧀 detected. 🤪 No seriously: I am not able to hold/block any attacks off him. His movement set is literally 🍌. 🙈 My main is rather Bayman or Kokoro. 🥸

[@brandyberry14]

Hes super fun.

[@XernuhtZwei]

@@ThePianist51 Is it cheese if I actually take the time to lab out routes with him? If so, my name is now Mozza.

[@ThePianist51]

@@XernuhtZwei I am just kidding. :D Mr Mozzarella. 🙈 Jk aside: I am really bad in this game and need to invest a lot more time. Tekken seems a lot easier regarding combos and stuff…

[@Hydrogue]

So, are we getting an amended version of this video that analyses SF6's newcomer Jamie? Because it's now something of an obvious gap.

[@Youthfullegend]

Just in, SF6 Has a drunken fist character!

[@jonosono]

I clicked for Brad Wong and I. wasn't. disappointed! Thank you for making this video!!

[@braystar8578]

If you need to see peak Drunken Fist in fighting games, look no further than Homo-Genius: A History of Gay Inventors Volume 59. Also speaking of Chin, recent KOFs have him have the same "drink meter" mechanic as Shun Di. Characters even point out how he's technically doping.

[@kenlee4356]

That fight was so embarrassing for krauser that he never joined another kof tournament

[@fistpump64]

you didn't need that disclaimer china isn't some scary "red menace" its just a place filled with people and history. i have friend moving there later this year.

[@MUSQUIZanimation]

Brad Wong will always be the ultimate Drunken Fist user for me.

[@puppytooth.v6502]

same. he's so fuckin cool.

[@user-ol1ep1yf8g]

I appreciate the disclaimer you have included in this work of yours Mister. Thank you so much.

[@gyroh6593]

It’s funny his name is “Bo Rai’ Cho” because it sounds a lot like the Spanish word for “drunk”, which is “borracho”. I’m pretty sure they took the Spanish word for drunk and made it sound asian when naming this character.

[@locater2]

Dude you should be at a million subscribers just being able to pronounce those names alone is a huge accomplishment in itself, Subscribed.

[@kaiserrino8774]

Shun Di in Virtua Fighter is the best drunken fist character. That drink mechanic is super fun to use.

[@Hektols]

And in Shun Di's case we know that he is actually drunk and not pretending as happens with Brad and Lei.

[@0000-r2b]

Dude how am I just finding this channel? I love fighting games and Kung Fu. This is dope. (Also pronunciation on point. Good job!)

[@KazanmaTheSilverWind]

You're done with MK, I get that. But somehow it manages to keep slipping into these videos here and there the Bajiquan video showed an aspect of 3D MK in general I think is kinda silly. Characters have listed fighting styles, but almost never look at all like the art in question. The style names are legit, but onky Tae Kwon Do looks at all like that, for 3D MK Standards. Hell, for Armageddon a lotnof fighting styles were stripped away and given to someone else. Meaning the arts really meant nothing to who that charafter was outsife of the function. And Li Mei didn't even keep Baji, she kept Lui He Ba Fa. And sometimes it made no sense, like Kali Sticks. When even Sonya kills people, bringing a weapon designed to be a Sword training implement to a fight to the death just doesn't make sense They only started to have characters who looked like they used X martial art (not counting Liu Kang) in MK11, and even then ABI counted that as the last straw

[@lukejones7164]

MKX Kung Lao seemed authentic to me.

[@raz54rus]

For the effectiveness of kung fu in actual fight look no further than a story of Xu Xiaodong.

[@OtaniNoAsagi]

The man that doesn't hate Kung Fu and is a Kung Fu practitioner himself and doesn't think the various styles of Kung Fu are horrible or ineffective but despises and calls out frauds and fake teachers who don't know anything about the styles they "teach" and shows it. People use this man to discredit the styles under the umbrella of Kung Fu when he himself doesn't hate the styles. He hates fake teachers and those who insult those styles by allowing them to become jokes.

[@raz54rus]

@@OtaniNoAsagi it's not about hate it's about practical use. If kung fu was real CCP would find a fighter to beat the guy yet they couldn't and instead started to attack him in other ways. That's the unpleasant truth, all these flashy fighting styles aren't practical. Be it kung fu or aikido or anything similar it's more of a choreography really.

[@OtaniNoAsagi]

@@raz54rusmy point is Kung Fu is real however the CCP isn't teaching real. They'd rather prefer it stagnate and it not get better for whatever reason. If you wanted to learn any style under the Kung Fu umbrella you most likely arent going to get anything decent from a "master" in China because for some reason the CCP doesn't want it to continue to evolve. I don't understand why they're choosing stagnation but they are. ( even though teaching real would serve the purpose they're going for far better than teaching fake ) As for aikido I don't think that art was created for hand to hand or to be used as a base.

[@OtaniNoAsagi]

@@raz54rus they say its because of culture but you can keep the cultural aspects while still evolving I mean look at Bajiquan, Muay Thai, or some of the Japanese arts. They keep their cultural aspects while still trying to evolve and keep moving with time. Honestly, it's up to Kung Fu guys like Xu to keep pushing evolution. The students keep styles alive not the governments.

[@XNTKM]

Just here to comment on the insane timing of this video coming just 2 weeks before the SF6 reveal featuring a drunken boxer with hints of capoeira

[@redkingrauri3769]

I love the running gag throughout these whenever Bo' Rai Cho comes up. That is just pure distilled resentment. " _We're not talking about Bo' Rai Cho_ . "

[@edwardrichard2561]

Emanuel Augustus was a pro boxer that people call the “Drunken master”. He never practiced the art. But he did use that loose movement and unpredictably in a dance like movement. Mayweather said he was his toughest opponent.

[@ThreeFingeredJerk]

I do NOT regret clicking this when it popped up on my feed. Subbed!

[@BigaloMax]

While its not REAL Drunken Fist , there's a pro boxer that used a similar style of fighting and while he didn't have that big of a career most of his loses where because judges just didn't like the fighting style and would deduct points, people call his style drunken boxing but its more like dance boxing xD .the principals where the same, unpredictable movements to catch opponents by surprise . His name was Emanuel Agustus. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rn2chXeZjdt3edk

[@grndragon7777777]

I am now going to study Golden Bowl and Iron Chopstick

[@fslayer1290]

Street Fighter 6 Drunken Fist fighter confirmed!

[@hunterdragon7210]

8:51 agree, and as a Spanish speaker I can’t just ignore a character named “drunk”

[@messybetsy]

.... oh... my god... I never put that together

[@vonVile]

I'm looking forward to seeing Momoko of KOF being spotlighted in your capoeira video. She is highly underrated, but the most accurate to the style in a 2D fighting game.

[@fabriciodesi]

she doesn't even know how tp gingar! look for maria miranda maia for a 2d capoeira fighter

[@vonVile]

@@fabriciodesi Never heard of the character. What game is she from?

[@LemonicParade]

Hearing about the drunken monk beat 30 other monks reminded me of Cartman claiming to jump a skateboard over 30 homeless people. LOL

[@finalninju6021]

Loved that. I always thought drunken fist was cool but I never realised just how cool it really was :D And I'm really looking forward to the capoeira episode. Been waiting for it 😁

[@byronlewis7154]

" I am just a nerd who likes Fighting Games and Kung Fu. " Same, bro. Same.

[@mimisaiko]

There's a video essay named "Jackie Chan's Kung Fu is "Fake" and That's Okay" Talking about the difference of performance, practicability and spirit of Kung Fu. Simply put, there are some idea in martial art are better understood today as being aware of breath control, knowing ergonomics, practice encounters. But majority of them have been developed as an artform, people practice it not for fighting, but for traditional reason.

[@AgostinhoRenner]

The best part is that Bo Rai Cho is like "Borracho" the spanish for Very Drunk

[@SuperSilver7591]

Man Bo Rai Cho could have been a cool character but he's straight up fart and barf joke the character. I do love how his name is just drunk in Spanish lmao

[@LucidFlameX]

I wonder: will there be an analysis on SF6's Jamie in the future?

[@insanemakaioshin]

I'd like to suggest: Taekwondo (All legs) Muay Thai (art of 8 limbs) Lethwei (art of 9 limbs) Arnis/Kali/Escrima (Why does a culture w/o Hinduism have a Martial Art named after a Hindu Goddess?) Boxing (All Arms) Kobudo Ninjutsu P.S. I'm very fond of strike based martial arts, but indifferent to grappling & throwing.

[@KoreanRambo]

Grapplers are underrated in fighting games. I'd love to see some breakdowns on Jiu Jitsu, catch wrestling, or Judo fighters. Anyone can land a lucky strike. In grappling, damage can only be really applied by those who truly know what they're doing.

[@lko990mtapod]

"Next Style: Capoeira" me, a Brazillian: YEA BABY! THAT'S WHAT I'M WAITING FOR!

[@arthurpprado]

One question I have is about drunkards who fight but not necessarily practitioners of Zui Quan. I've seen some depictions of these kinds of characters taking a sip of their beverages and then spitting it into their swords. Does this have any tactical advantage or historical precedence? The best examples I have are Haomaru, from SamSho, and Juzou the Drunkard from Sekiro

[@KingSigy]

It has to do with the style of the sword. Some swords have a bamboo grip and soaking it makes it easier to hold. There is no significance to it being alcohol as water works just as well, but most depictions in media don't have a badass samurai carrying around a cask of water, haha.

[@arthurpprado]

@@KingSigy interesting. That kind of invalidates Juzou, though. When he spits sake into his sword, it's so he can deliver a venomous attack

[@Iffem]

@@arthurpprado i mean, it does hurt like a BITCH to get alcohol in an open wound...

[@cryal89]

I really love this series of yours! The research you had done and explanation of each style are so great & inspiring!

[@MJRLHobbyStuff]

Great series. As a karate person I must recommend that being next. And specifically characters like Makoto that are “realistic karate people” not SHODO style fire ball throwing types

[@derrickhaggard]

What would you say about Hitomi as her canonical fighting style according to the DOA canon is Shotokan Karate with some elements of Kyokushin Karate thrown in.

[@sanguinius6815]

ayy absolver footage, fuckin loved that game.

[@101amuro]

Conceptually; I love this concept for a series .

[@HighQualityIce]

IMO an interesting character to bring up in the capoeira episode would be Bob Wilson from Fatal Fury, specifically in Real Bout 2. Unlike most capoeira characters in fighting games, his mixup potential is super limited, and he's instead a neutral focused character that relies on punishes and frame traps to get big damage

[@Nikkyeshiva83]

Emmanuel Augustus was the real drunken master. If he hit harder, he would be a household name.

[@kevingriffith6011]

You've opened my eyes to a what I think is a *brilliant* mechanic with Brad Wong's walk. The idea that a character's walk cycle is uneven with bursts of forward movement followed by slowdown, or the other way around is... super interesting to think about and gives the character a sort of "passive footwork" that I think has a lot of potential. Sadly, I don't have any Dead or Alive games to try him with, but it's got me thinking of all kinds of mechanics you could use to mess around with it. If this hypothetical character starts slow and has a quick forward move, maybe some moves change his position in the walk for a few frames after you land them, making the first steps you take after using this move be the sudden quick move before slowing down again, and also makes me wonder about what potential we can dig out of non-standard walk cycles for other characters.

[@SugarPunch]

I didn't get a chance to showcase it, but Tekken 7's version of Lei Wulong also added movement options to his Drunken Boxing stance. He can do a steady shuffle moving backwards, but his forward walk is a disorienting stumble that starts slow, then suddenly lurches forward swiftly while actually swaying into and out of the foreground/background. It's VERY difficult to keep an eye on him before he suddenly launches an attack out of it, and it looks VERY cool when he does it! A few of those Lei clips actually have it.

[@VillainousHanacha]

@@SugarPunch ya know, now that I think of it, the only other non standard walk cycle I can think of is Parasoul of Skullgirls. Though in this case, it's meant to demonstrate poise and precision, not a lack of control (real or feigned). Her inching forward with calm, controlled steps however still demonstrates character incredibly well.

[@Gensolink]

​@@VillainousHanacha there's also big band's steps that have similar rhythm but instead it's to sell how heavy he is