Suicide Squad ruined how Arkham Batman met Superman!

Suicide Squad ruined How Batman Returns and met Superman? Kwing gives a Full in depth analysis explanation on How the Suicide Squad Kills the Justice League, RUINS the Batman Arkham Knight Plot! Making Batman's sacrifice pointless.
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[@kNIGHTWING01]

Do you think How Arkham Batman meets Superman was stupid? Let me know in the comments, thanks for watching. Until next time

[@wubear260]

It is lazy and stupid and I agree with you I mean he could have met Superman via when Bruce Wayne faked his own death he met Clark/Superman whilst Bruce was doing something else and they get talking and acknowledge each other. Then something happens that led up to Bruce being Batman again and that both he and Superman get mind controlled by Brainiac which leads into the events of SSKTJL. Keep going Luke your videos are great and interesting to watch.

[@928studiosinc06]

I'm doing a Kill the Justice League rewrite that sets it before Arkham Asylum, and I would've had Batman and Superman meet similarly to that of the DCAU.

[@snowshock8958]

So Batman vs Superman Snyder did it better…

[@theangryimp1345]

To be fair joker isn't real taking over batman's mind but yeah I take the point. Robin should have been a new hero batman or a new identity... but yeah.

[@villavaniilla]

I just feel like they should have made this a prequel to Arkham knight or city just before the ending, and the ending should have some of the members die so it’ll explain why Batman didn’t want them to help him in knight

[@928studiosinc06]

Their meeting in a nutshell: Superman: Yo, Batman! The Justice League is pretty chill. Maybe you could like join us or something. Batman: Cool.

[@ReadyPlayerTomVR]

Pretty much lol. You think it's something they would want to flesh out in game while you play as Batman, and meet Superman for the first time..which would be awesome. Shame.

[@PlebNC]

*fist-bump* electric guitar riff

[@bensxbd]

Let’s not forget that one of the firefighters in Arkham Knight actually *namedrops* Superman, wondering what his true identity is

[@kwingsletsplays]

i forgot about the Fire Fighters mentioned that too.

[@bampowbang6898]

Personally, they should've used the Crime Syndicate for Suicide Squad. There literally a evil Justice League that have no qualms about killing. It wouldn't betray the previous games, make players mad, and wouldn't disrupt continuity.

[@hollywood_3926]

Love this idea

[@GarrettTheViking]

I would prefer that. Lego DC Super Villains did that, minus the killing since it's a kids game. The villains had to battle the Crime Syndicate after they transported the Justice League off-planet. It made for a fun game.

[@muigokublack6487]

@@GarrettTheViking Once again proving that Lego does DC better than DC.

[@Anbuexists]

Another reason Superman didn’t come to Gotham is because the Arkham knight had the city rigged to blow, Alfred even says that he wants to prevent outside interference.

[@agentcarder]

Not like Superman is faster than a bomb. Would of made more sense if he was just off world

[@ClearedDruid32]

I was coming to comment this it's really hard to get mad at Superman for not showing up when the city was rigged to blow and the government was heavily down playing how bad it was also supes could've been worried that the fear toxin could affect him

[@matthewcrane5294]

@@agentcarderalright give evidence that the Arkham version of Superman is faster than the trigger for whatever type of bomb they’re using whether that trigger be automatic or manual.

[@Fallenbiblicallyaccurateangel]

@@matthewcrane5294bro stfu lmao “gIvE eViDeNcE” he’s fucking superman

[@Slicerdizzle]

@@matthewcrane5294 well considering that the superman is pretty much moving a superspeed during the trailer, i think its safe to confirm superman in this universe super could have snuck into Gotham, hell he could have got in as clark kent and worn another suit to hide his identity like the time he was Gangbuster in the comics.

[@miadatenshi9903]

If only Paul Dini kept writing those games...

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

I think a simple fix is that the League did form years after Knight. But no one but certain individuals know that Batman is a member. As he’s more of a behind the scenes guy, not actively in the field with them. Amanda Waller would be one of the few people who figured out Batman is alive and tells the squad that.

[@eltodopoderososhaggy2555]

bro there is graffiti, statues and holograms of batman with the JL, everyone knows it

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

@@eltodopoderososhaggy2555 did you not actually read my comment. I said a simple fix to adding Arkham Batman to the justice league, this whole video was about how the canon version doesn’t line up with the ending

[@eltodopoderososhaggy2555]

@@JohnWilliams-wl9px I didn't read simple fix, sorry bro, I omitted it by mistake

[@homem-pobre]

How is that a fix? Offscreening everything is trash 😂

[@Isaacisaperson4677]

@@homem-pobrewdym off screening? This is a universe where we know the details of like 4-10 nights out the span of 12 years. We don't even know what Batman did the hours before asylum started? Did he capture joker at city hall immediately or did he fight someone like firefly first? It's annoying sure but the problem isn't because it's offscreen

[@darkknightfan7520]

Batman Arkham should’ve stayed self contained. It’s pretty clear that they stepped past the point of no return in stepping way from the pre 52 & dcau influence, and it’s very frustrating. Edit: it is indeed the stupidest thing I’ve heard, it’s borderline character assassination for Arkham ultimate loner Batman.

[@cz098]

ultimate loner batman who has 3 robins and was fucking talia and was cool with catwoman and had batgirl and turned into oracle and was tight with every single guard and cop in the precinct run by his best bud gordon. yeah its not realistic he would ever be friends with superman at all. complete character assassination by sweet gayby inc.

[@aslumeinmate]

​@@cz098he meant that this Batman shouldve just stayed in Gotham with HIS characters without the justice league or super things

[@f10pped36]

He's literally open for azeral (a person he literally met once before)to take his mantel after he's done. I rlly doubt he would only stop at keeping Gotham safe

[@cz098]

@@aslumeinmate thats fine to think but its not “character assassination” for him to join the league its his arcs natural conclusion

[@aslumeinmate]

@cz098 I agree. I thought you didn't understand that's mb

[@johndoe4071]

I totally agree with you, Luke. It’s stupid that Superman simply just asks Batman to join the Justice League despite him being a wanted criminal by the US Government.

[@samiturkialq6300]

I agree

[@Wilikan]

Same

[@koleszgdanska7149]

They are all criminals by the end of the day

[@BonBonFilmZZZ]

I thought Batman started it anyways

[@wallywest001]

Superman when he recruits Batman- " I need friends and I want you Batman to be my best buddy". Batman- "Ugh"

[@sartbimpson4519]

That‘s it, Rocksteady, I‘m doing my own Arkham Justice League that takes place between Origins and Asylum. I see why Sefton left the company

[@ArKnightham]

You do realise this is Sefton Hill's game right? Like this was his vision stop being silly their first game ever was a shooter suck it up

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@ArKnighthamYeah Sefton leaving was nothing personal but rocksteady staff leaving the studio and joining Sefton and Jamie’s studio is a bit concerning.

[@comicfan1324]

If Batman had to come out of hiding and join the justice league in the Ark converse, I think there should’ve been some world ending threat that forced Batman to come out of the shadows and lie himself with the justice league to beat it. And the whole time Bruce is expecting that once the fight is done all the heroes he was fighting alongside, would turn against him and try to throw him in prison. But then, perhaps life finally throws a bone. The United Nations is holding a conference to thank the justice league for their service to protect the peace, and right as Batman is preparing to leave while no one is looking you could have some representative of of the United States and him pardon him of his crimes. Now, this obviously isn’t ideal as you would still have to come up with a way to address how the Bat-family doesn’t get hunted down by criminals for everything Batman has done, but at least it would be more satisfying than Superman just walking up to Batman and saying “would you like to join my club?”

[@windghost2]

I like this better than what I've been told by KnightWing.

[@robogreek3157]

Not really.... since his identity was compromised it made sense he would join the league

[@Matt-ek6bf]

Superman wasn't around because of two reasons. One: The Arkham Knight threatens to blow the entire city if anyone from the outside interferes. Two: Batman didn't know him at the time and he is extremely territorial. He doesn't like when other heroes help him in his own city.

[@ty.shota23]

Nah batman knew about superman if a there were guards in the game droppin lore about superman so batman definitly knew him plus bruce did went metropolis before with that lady

[@BlastingXNP]

You're 100% right and it confuses me why people don't understand that. Other heroes would never push the risk of blowing up innocents for their own egos. If Batman wasn't already there, it's one thing, no one would have been there to save Gotham. But because he's there, even without a personal connection, there's no way Wonder Woman, the Flash, Superman, etc would risk blowing the city up when someone capable is already there.

[@Matt-ek6bf]

@@BlastingXNP Exactly

[@robogreek3157]

​​@ty.shota23 talia - " YOU DIDNT HAVE TO GET YOURSELF ARRESTED TO SEE ME BRUCE...AFTER THAT NIGHT WE SPENT IN METROPOLIS YOU COULD OF JUST CALLED " - talia in arkham city ( she's hot in a gentai kind of way)

[@homem-pobre]

They have Arkham Batman UNMASKED talking to kids in a hologram 🤣🤣🤣

[@twoface4458]

Luke, your Knightfall Protocol Ending Explained video with 4.8 Million Views is one of my favorite KZbin videos ever. I rewatch it EVERY TIME I replay Arkham Knight. Its the perfect way to cap off my yearly Arkham playthrough. Thanks

[@varunnathamuni5540]

I'm listening to this while reading Paul Dini's run on Batman and let me tell you, it just makes me feel even worse about how WB has ruined Batman's character.

[@dylansharp8471]

What?

[@SilentSnake1998]

I feel like Tim should've became Red Robin after the end of Arkham Knight, so he could actually have a shot at being genuinely being intimidating.

[@kaddindefiant]

Instead, they killed him off. Terrible game.

[@nemesisprime4501]

Another thing too is who the hell paid for the hall of justice if bruce lost all his fortune if he blew up wayne manor and lost wayne enterprises

[@kwingsletsplays]

.....that's true. But in the Game, they save Bruce was founding the League. Guess RS forgot that Lucius got all Wayne's Money and the Company. Nightwing DLC in AK explains who Bruce left all his assets too. It wasn't the Bat Kids.

[@bbinc300]

They took the emotional ending of Arkham Knight and wipe their a$$ with it.This game and story feels like a big"eff you"to Sefton Hill.He probably saw this game and said"see ya" and dipped.

[@aaronbood1999]

And the Arkham fans from 2009 to now

[@chappanagent]

This

[@Fallenbiblicallyaccurateangel]

Sefton didn’t gaf about the Arkham franchise anyways. He played a part in why Arkham Knight’s story was so bad, because they easily could’ve rehired Paul Dini to write it, and he chose to write it himself for some reason, even though he has no proper writing credits prior, he didn’t fight hard enough for him and his cowriter that were writing the story to write the DLC so WB Montreal came and fucked up the continuity even more, on top of accepting that origins is canon when it’s very clearly not so yeah Sefton can kick rocks too Rocksteady hasn’t been Rocksteady since City

[@bbinc300]

@@Fallenbiblicallyaccurateangel Well I would rather settle for Sefton Hill's bad writing than this donkey a$$ of a game 😂

[@theprotagonist1311]

​@@Fallenbiblicallyaccurateangel damn Boi, chill

[@The_milkman77]

I thought they should have made a justice league game and form them how they did in the justice league show. After that they could have developed Superman and Batman's relationship and make Batman/Superman public enemies game or something like that. Instead we get this disappointment that kills the Justice league with horrible ways to put them down.

[@cosmicrealities466]

Braniac is such an overused villain like I think we've seen enough of him 😭😭

[@orangecat504]

Like I want to see more, Darkseide but even he’s being overused in everything and that’s not video games or movies 😅

[@Slavic_Snake]

didn't batman smash talia in metropolis (before arkham city)

[@baki484]

Yes then very next morning he still refused her offer to join the league of assassin's so she had her personal guard and her assassins attack him.

[@dynaguy3]

I prefer a more hopeful and optimistic Batman, so I’m not a big fan of Arkham Knight’s ending. But if they wanted to fix Batman after Knight, they needed a whole Justice League game to show that development. They can’t just skip that major character arc. We could’ve seen Superman confront Batman for being too violent and scaring ordinary citizens along with the criminals. Seeing the inspiration that Superman gives Metropolis could convince Bruce to become a hero instead of a punisher. Batman would reunite with the Batfamily and join the Justice League after coming out of his darkest time. They would have to get Bruce’s secret identity back somehow, but I don’t mind where Batman ends up by the time of Suicide Squad. However, all of this needed to be explored in either a World’s Finest or Justice League game.

[@windghost2]

I wish we had something like this over killing the Justice League.

[@MikeIce4SG]

They fricking killed him. Mad disrespect

[@robogreek3157]

Knights ending was perfect...he was not going to risk the joker with batman resources abilities and will. The idea that a group of thugs could defeat batman and Harley being the one to kill the batman is BEYOND DISRESPECTFUL....just like Joel in TLOU2... only batman was way worse

[@Theunamedchannel000antiwoke]

Sweet Baby Inc is a great example of why social media was a mistake and why therefore we need a law to end all social media and nothing will change my mind about it

[@dylansharp8471]

Huh?

[@Ib-sq4fn]

So goodbye KZbin

[@TevyaSmolka]

I still wished we got a Arkham Superman game or a Arkham justice league game because that would’ve been really awesome and tons of fun.

[@Coolkid-vd9lp]

Nobody wants a Superman game lol

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@Coolkid-vd9lp i do want a superman game and so do a lot of other people.

[@Coolkid-vd9lp]

@@TevyaSmolka sadly it will never happen if u want a Superman game go play dc universe stop glazing

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@Coolkid-vd9lp okay but why do you care if i want a superman game or not?

[@mrmac_]

@@Coolkid-vd9lp "it will never happen" It was literally gonna happen at one point lol

[@featherguardian6023]

If Rocksteady didn’t said that Suicide Squad kill the Justice League is connected to the Arkhamverse, we wouldn’t have Problems and honestly I would have picked a Justice League or better yet a Superhero Game than this Poor Excuse for a Retcon.

[@kwingsletsplays]

If it wasn't connected, true no one would care. If it was a different earth, I'd be more ok with story differences 100%

[@JBatGaming2]

This meeting is so awful. Why did they turn a potential cool meeting into a awful shortcut to making this game in the Arkhamverse

[@MataNui.]

Yeah... it really sounds like they didn't think any of this shit through.

[@chimeria7]

I always assumed the bat family had interacted with other characters outside of the games. We saw Bruce refucing help from Robin & Nightwing throughout City & Knight. I don't doubt he'd give Clark a hard time for getting involved either. Even assumed for this game that Brainiac would be such a huge threat that he'd be willing to risk everything to come out of the shadows. There's alot I'm willing to look past, but this? It had better be Ryder being an idiot because there's only so much I can take...

[@seregagerassimov4864]

It absolutely can be Ryder being an idiot. He is a scummy reporter, remember how he lied in his book in Knight how he defeated Deadshot in Arkham City and saved Batman?

[@chimeria7]

@@seregagerassimov4864 yea, he really is such a tool lol

[@driggsquad01]

I agree with you, Luke. I think the story was a lot better and more fleshed out in Lego Batman 2 than it was in this game and that’s saying something lol. I also think it’s stupid that Superman would ask Batman to join the league knowing full well he is a wanted fugitive by the US government. Especially when Batman is just like sure I’m wanted by the government and I’m still taking my war on crime in Gotham in the process, but sure I’ll join the league. Now if Batman said what you said about hey look I’m still taking my war on crime and Gotham is my main priority, but if y’all actually need help with something one day and I know y’all will then yes I will join you when that day comes but til then I’ll be here and that would’ve been fine and fleshed out. I’m starting to think that Sweet Baby Incorporated are run by a bunch of preschoolers cause that’s what it’s starting to sound more and more like.

[@smyk3ns]

Sweet Baby Inc is a great example of why social media was a mistake

[@Theunamedchannel000antiwoke]

And why therefore we need to end all social media

[@MrBaby-dv6xm]

so is youtube and twitter and instagram and reddit and 4chan

[@skyrogames3000]

I agree with you. Story is important to me. I can adapt to poor gameplay. If I'm invested into the story, I will do anything to continue said story. But if the story isn't good, I wouldn't care enough to learn the controls or adapt to poor gameplay. Arkham was and still is important to me. Even if I have to make my own head canon to make sense of the continuity. Also, fun fact, after a recent playthrough of Arkham City, I found a plaque on the prison walls. Apparently, Arkham City was established sometime in the 1990s. Maybe 1992, the release of the Animated Series? I don't know. But it seemed neat.

[@alangold4658]

Injustice being a better alternative arkham verse is sounding better and better

[@RosaFlora7]

💐💐 I agree !!!! . 💐💐

[@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225]

Both are terrible actually. Injustice is a disservice to every character but Batman.

[@alangold4658]

@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 i know just look at wonder woman but out of the 2 give me injustice for more or less a justice league in the arkham esk verse

[@BatmanDCEU]

@@alangold4658 it's not given that the Injustice universe is already stated as not being the main universe and also the fact that the Pre 52 Justice League team up with Injustice Batman to stop the Regime

[@chappanagent]

In my mind 🙏🇮🇳 To me, Arkham knight shall forever remain the true definitive self contained ending. Regardless of issues I had with arkham series, in retrospect I think these games should remain untouchable as they are. Now making SS canon ruins everything

[@YungAtz]

?

[@MataNui.]

Except for the fact it ends on a cliffhanger.

[@user-ry7ol2wu6c]

@@MataNui.what cliffhanger?

[@MataNui.]

@@user-ry7ol2wu6c the Knightfall ending sets something up that's never paid off.

[@nemesisprime4501]

I personally agree. The arkham franchise should have been left alone. I mean rocksteady could have made suicide squad an elseworlds story where bruce identity never got revealed. But nooo, they insisted on making it 5 years after arkham knight to tarnish the knightfall protocol

[@FPSKole]

It makes sense that he was just depressed after Arkham Knight

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

True I thought it was a great idea but then again Batman likes to work alone and he’s such a depressed and sad character in the Arkham games I felt like in those games he really just preferred working alone rather than helping/working with other people.

[@xXEchoXxAssault]

Sweet Baby Inc screws up everything they touch. This is why good games are pretty rare and have been since about 2018 😢

[@dylansharp8471]

As if you could call Spider-Man 2 bad.

[@xXEchoXxAssault]

@@dylansharp8471 I mean it's full of woke propaganda and shit writing... You put 2 and 2 together

[@chandllerburse737]

@@dylansharp8471 its lackluster yes Venom deserved better

[@Monstervolging]

Thing I hate about this game is it practically belittled the importance of Ivy's sacrifice and the Knight Fall Protocol. Don't even get me on the Deadshot imposter bs...

[@RedHood238]

Even though it's dumb but honestly the thing is Rocksteady didn't have to use the Suicide Squad to continue the Arkhamverse it could have just continued with and here is just a few that can or could work is a Superman game, Wonder woman game, Green Lantern game or even a Flash game it doesn't have to be Batman game yet again and probably lead to a Justice League game. But but considering WB most likely or wanted to cash in on Suicide Squad franchise and hope it sticks even if it did or didn't connect to the Arkhamverse.

[@denverlogue9269]

Doesn’t ruin it at all, Batman was in a bad place and superman reached out and tried to help him. That’s perfect for supermans character and it’s a perfect way to set up batman and superman being best friends

[@PotatoCrusader982]

I love Kwing's videos so much! I've been watching since the OG Arkham Asylum walkthroughs on PS3 :) thank you for your amazing videos throughout the years.

[@willnelson4192]

22:11 I really agreed it just for marketing purposes and to make you want to buy the game or look into it

[@questionableshows8657]

At this point the only arkham game i think Suicide squad is gonna beat in sales is arkham Origins black gate and maybe beat Gotham knights😂

[@MrE215_]

“The bald wonder” 😂😂😂

[@justxander1656]

Something people don't talk about is how the played robin dying to batman as a joke that really pissed me off

[@BatmanGuy-xk9pr]

So hyped for your video Kwing! Thank you!!❤😎🦇

[@assassinscreedwalkthroughs7314]

"Between Batman and his son" That hits hard

[@thesenate7710]

Man Arkham origins Batman is so badass

[@gamershadow69]

Yeah orgin deserve a remaster

[@MrsAmberKwing]

Great video Kwing! Thank you!❤😎🦇

[@jasper1772]

I thought scarecrow said at the start of Arkham knight that if batman had any outside help he would blow up the city with the mines placed around?

[@kwingsletsplays]

Did you defuse the Bombs in Arkham Knight? It was a Side Quest. Superman was just an easter egg reference in the Arkham Games though. They had no plans of using any Leaguer in AK.

[@baki484]

I guess the starro Easter egg in the batgirl dlc means nothing now.

[@KaoticReach1999]

Ugh I forgot about that, what a waste of potential just like nightmare batman

[@shimomo6152]

batman shouldve pulled the old switcheroo with himself as bruce wayne and the unconscious hush in the batman costume

[@Payload82]

They could have said Superman and a group of heroes formed the justice League after the events of Arkham knight or it revealed that Scarecrow asked Vandal Savage and legion of Doom distract to JLA while he and knight took over Gotham.

[@orangecat504]

I always thought the bombs make the most sense that if any meta human tried to step into Gotham, he would blow the place to hell

[@whatrhimeswithorange]

I know it wasn’t intentional, but the premise of Superman and batman meeting in a coffee shop would be a really compelling scene to watch, if they met up as “Bruce as Clark” I feel it’s been recently ignored how natural their friendship is, seeing the two characters share a genuine moment is something that hasn’t been done well since the justice league show.

[@SalvationCode]

I actually don't dislike the idea of them meeting like this. But I would've liked to see it portrayed in an actual game or cinematic. Not a throwaway line. I like the idea of Bruce Wayne, operating fully alone and in nightmare/ghost Batman mode, being approached by Clark and offered something bigger. Being introduced into something greater, a chance to find new allies & even family after the harrowing events of the Arkham storyline. It almost feels like a good ending for him, a light at the end of the tunnel. I genuinely believe it could've been done really well, had it been skillfully written and woven into the immediate aftermath of the Knightfall protocol. I just wish *that* was the storyline we got to see. I really don't care for The Suicide Squad as a group that much. Now sadly, KTJL feels like it's arriving at the tail end of a trend that's been done to death. We've seen the Squad attempted like 3 or 4 times already. James Gunn's version was amazing even. But I'm so sick and tired of seeing them. Focus on some different DC characters, for goodness sake.

[@dylansharp8471]

Trend?

[@SalvationCode]

@@dylansharp8471 For DC, yeah. They've been trying to make The Suicide Squad a thing for a while now. So I guess I should say; they've been *trying* to make it catch on. It never actually did, not as much as they wanted it to. Compared to something like GotG on Marvel's side.

[@Alpha_Kage1]

11:03 K-wing you are the best 😂

[@thedood9503]

This dude sure as hell said a whole lot of nothing for 28 minutes

[@aludamin]

Don’t worry guys, the Batman Arkham story ended a long time ago. None of this is canon just because they say it is. Don’t buy the game, don’t let them profit off of Kevin legacy with this abomination.

[@henkman00]

Judge: “for saving all those lives and this city many times over I sentence you to 1000 years imprisonment, may Mr. Mxyzptlk have mercy on your soul”

[@vaporwavevocap]

In Arkham Knight Alfed explains that the Knight's threats to blow up the entire city if anyone intervened was clearly made to explain why Superman (who is mentioned by goons on the street) and the League do not help. So strange they would claim "he just wasn't around."

[@kwingsletsplays]

RS messes up Continuity constantly between Games. They just to don't pay attention. Nothing New. Number one Priority for them is the Gameplay, which makes sense. Sefton made a lot of mistakes taking over from Dini, but it is what it is.

[@dylansharp8471]

@@kwingsletsplays Mess up how?

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@dylansharp8471Well Paul dini was a major part of creating the Arkham lore with asylum and city which both games lead to something big regardless I liked Arkham knight story I felt like it had no problems but in knight it just ended.

[@captaincomic8678]

Here's how I imagined the timeline before... this shit happened: Sometime after Origins, the JLA forms with Batman as a founding member. He stays on the League until the incident with Jason, at which point he leaves the team and kinda retreats into himself. Then the rest of the trilogy occurs, and some time after Knight, he comes back into the spotlight and rejoins the League.

[@rickodaddy6355]

I love how he could've explain how Batman met Superman in two sentences and stretched it to half an hour

[@kwingsletsplays]

Documentaries don't get to the point until later. This video isn't made for short attention spans.

[@KaoticReach1999]

You mean giving context and explaining his points? Your ADHD is showing if that's a problem.

[@southernvader]

This guy is talking about so much random unnecessary shit that doesn’t make sense . Stay on topic

[@Bionic_Webb]

I feel like Superman knows not to cross over into the Bat’s territory if Batman wanted his help he would’ve called or he was dealing with something else off world like you said

[@thequestion2041]

In Arkaham Asylum there is an audio where the Joker tells Harley that Batman sees everyone from above in his watchtower believing himself to be better than everyone else, that is not a statement that the Justice League exists in that universe and Batman Is it part of it?

[@TheBat1992]

I agree with you because it could have been so much better in this universe and it feels a like a joke from Ryder but it’s most likely not to me it does not make any sense in this universe and should have not been connected at all

[@gonkdroidgaming6984]

What if Azrael was supposed to take over originally?

[@inshal6420]

In Arkham Knight Superman probably didn’t help because the Knight had bombs ready to blow if anyone entered city limits. Also we haven’t seen how their meeting plays out yet so im holding back judgement. A brief overview can make any story sound dumb. Batman greatest villain dies in Arkham City because Batman dropped the cure and it shattered. Its an amazing story but if you just do a very simple summary of the ending it can sound dumb.

[@windghost2]

Joker literally stabbed him in the shoulder and he dropped the cure in pain. That's not on Bruce, but on the Joker.

[@f10pped36]

Also why would batman or superman want to risk inhaling super fear toxin? Especially if scarecrow was ready to blow up Gotham if anyone was gonna even try to help

[@orangecat504]

@@f10pped36yeah bot good other members could but not supes. Ignoring the bombs, of course plus Batman have some type of immunity to it over the course of the games?

[@kwingsletsplays]

People keep bringing up the Bombs. But Batman disables, all of them. By himself. It's a Side Quest to activate Knightfall.

[@aryss.1]

Nah, the justice league died, pathetically. What are they doing?😐

[@lordmark2516]

Like you said, context is the key, for all we know superman could've been asking batman for years or months maybe they did work together and Ryder just doesn't know, not everyone has to be them meeting to team up with a case or fighting a big bad or maybe he actually recruited batman to do so

[@Salvage1009]

banger video Kwing!!!

[@MrsAmberKwing]

❤❤❤

[@MDC216]

Heyyy salvage fancy seeing you here

[@Console-Lord]

Hey it's Salvage. Huge fan of you and Kwing. You guys were my childhood.

[@GoldenfoxxPrime]

I'm already in the stage of things where I just disavow an official product as being part of the canon. This should just be its own thing, just like I feel the RPG AssCreed games should've been their own thing. Don't devalue the four games of the Arkham series. Don't devalue Ivy's sacrifice in Knight. Don't handwave what should be massive moments in the story. Don't handwave race changes and sudden body changes from what's been established. Just leave it alone, do your own thing. I want more Arkham games, but I don't trust the people currently at Rocksteady to deliver anything I'd like. (And I'm someone who had PLENTY of issues with Arkham Knight, especially where Hush was concerned, but no amount of headcanon is going to fix this shit.) None of my favorite franchises resemble my favorite franchises anymore, and at almost 50 years old and having been playing games since Pong, it's clear the future of gaming is not for me.

[@dylansharp8471]

"None of my favorite franchises resemble my favorite franchises anymore" Which ones?

[@GoldenfoxxPrime]

@@dylansharp8471 Assassin's Creed, the Arkhamverse, the Zelda games, hell...even the Lego games, which I used to call my no-stress, pure fun gaming, adopted the worst aspects of open world games a few years ago. Rhythm games feel like lthey're being weaned off life support. And that's not even mention all the franchises I've just lost due to time andage. Everything Sierra used to make, the Starflight series, etc. Right now, if you're not into RPGs or Destiny-like looter-shooters, there's less and less to enjoy. It just happens that's in my personal tentpole releases that are the ones who've decided to completely change their identities.

[@theprodigiousspiderstarTM]

They could’ve easily have had some man go to Batman to join the league because of brainiac. If they weren’t going to do that, they should just have this been an Elseworld game.

[@chandllerburse737]

Just why couldn’t we have Tim Daly as Superman? This is Conroy’s last appearance i know i am already spamming this opinion but i really was taken aback when i heard freaking Nolan North once again come out of his mouth Wouldn’t it been proper to have Kevin voice Batman with Daly’s Superman one more time?

[@derekpayneszubliminals7723]

I was surprised that they didn’t get Tim Daly back to voice Superman.

[@chandllerburse737]

@@derekpayneszubliminals7723 Its cheaper and more mainstream to use North for the billionth time i guess i love him but… can we PLEASE have some variation. Its always him or Baker and others alongside them it seems.

[@THEDARKCLAW]

100% agree

[@nathanroberts2556]

I agree with what you said

[@commanderscimitar1353]

Literally, no one wanted this game. They should have left the arkham verse alone. I mean how did Batman get mind controlled by Brainiac, its stupid

[@Ron_DeForest]

At 9:46 you showed Batman in an outfit I’ve never seen before. Where’s it from? High end exoskeleton. Orange lights and shit. Looking meaty.

[@aaronbood1999]

I think Rocksteady are trying to make Arkham batman like Tony Stark, with the fact he's the only hero of the league to have his identity revealed. It sounds interesting, if you have great writers which rocksteady doesn't have anymore.

[@alexhambleton9513]

Yea that’s what it looks like they’re trying to do

[@baki484]

In the injustice universe batman operates with the world knowing he's Bruce Wayne maybe that what they are going for.

[@giancarlo5945]

Most people who have played the pre-alpha say that the story is very well written so I believe that there are still good writers in rockesteady

[@alexhambleton9513]

@@baki484 that’s a really good point. yeah and he seemed pretty used to it during Injustice 2 so I think it’s one of those things where it impacted him massively at the start but then eventually got used to it and carried on operating as he used to again with the help of the fear gas in certain situations

[@chandllerburse737]

Tony stark doesn’t own the whole identity is known thing also Steve Rogers identity was also known… so is Bruce Banners…. And for a day Peter Parker’s.

[@_ChoccooMilkk_]

Honestly, with the way i feel about Arkham Knight, and the information you’ve given about SSKTJL, I’m glad I’m not going to play this game💀

[@dylansharp8471]

What about Arkham Knight?

[@waltt69]

I would like a Justice League game in the vein of Marvel Ultimate Alliance, but I'm sure anyone who does it today will make a complete dumpster fire out of the story and gameplay.

[@TheBatman39]

Is Rocksteady stupid?

[@AzurGamer81]

I'm always with team Kwing!

[@sifealahalmaslul]

You are the best batman chanel ❤️😂

[@Spank-cr1yh]

Superman definitely wasn't around the time of Arkham City. Hugo Strange was very confident in wanting to build arkham city like prisons in Keystone and metropolis. I don't think he would do that if there was flying superhero metahuman

[@baki484]

He still would he was given authority by the city hall and most likely the government so superman won't interfere until maybe Lois gets into trouble attempting to expose Strange like Jack Ryder and Bruce Wayne aka Batman did.

[@senseieternal2133]

Without a doubt I agree with you from each and every accurate point you made to the details you pointed out about the lack of creativity and authenticity from the writers as well as a shitty business move from WB. Honestly I said the exact same thing but I’m glad to see an OG coming out with not only factual information but a steady flow of consistency aligning with proof.

[@kwingsletsplays]

We could be missing context, according to Jack Ryder could make all the difference. Maye We are missing stuff. But considering the game is about Killing the League. I don't think we'll get too much info about how they founded. Other then being attacked during thier Parade in Metropolis by Brainiac

[@dcspidey1218]

It makes more sence for arkham origins to take 10 years before arkham asylum due to how much stuff had to happen between the 2 games

[@Slavic_Snake]

hugo strange also noticed catwoman loves batman (arkham city catwoman tapes)

[@kwingsletsplays]

correct

[@swamp345]

Tgey already wrote themselves in a corner when they unmasked batman on national television. Everyone knows its bruce wayne so the gig is up 😂. He's ruined. There is no more billionaire Playboy act, hes just a wanted criminal dressed as a bat. Hes no longer a monster in the shadows, a force of unknown origin. Rocksteady is wack and Suicide Squad is the dumbest game ive ever seen besides gollum.

[@TheDonGio]

I’m looking to forward to you playing suicide squad can’t wait to see my boy Supes done dirty yet again so tired of the evil superman plot line

[@janitorscruffy7834]

How about we wait for the game to release before we criticise the story instead of wasting everybodies time by whinging for 30 minutes about a sentence written by jack ryder in the beta, seriously bro what is this video

[@sup3414]

You completely forgot that in the first street bomb mission Batman finds in Bleake Island, Alfred says that the Arkham Knight has sent a worldwide warning that if any other hero interfering in Gotham, he would detonate all the street bombs at once.

[@tyronleung5276]

The justice league should've been active in the earlier arkham games so this game makes no sense just like the arkham knight

[@samarth_kanyakubj]

let,s come together and sign a petition to mske sskjl non canon

[@brewmaster2912]

I love the idea of Superman meeting Arkham Batman and giving him hope after AKa and inspiring him to join the Justice League. But… we should’ve seen this. This should’ve been a Justice League game with the lineup of the DCAU. Arkham Asylum felt like a successor to Batman TAS. Why not make this Justice League game a love letter to the Arkhamverse and the DCAU a d just DC in general? Have them face off against the Legion of Doom. Make it an Ultimate Alliance style game with no sequel in mind. Let the fan imagine what the Justice League of the Arkhamverse will go through next.

[@ANGELOFDARKification]

Why would the world accept Batman coming back to join the Justice League.... if they know he's Bruce Wayne? Maybe the game will explain it better but it's very confusing.

[@retroransom9861]

I cringe to think that 343k people look to you for Arkham knowledge. Arkham games have been going for 15 years not 12, but you're the Arkham historian. You just aren't getting your head canon.

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

Woah calm down the dude has been part of the Arkham franchise for a long amount of time both creators are good but I felt like the creator of this channel has kind of changed in his personality because of suicide squad which isn’t normal for him.

[@RosaFlora7]

This is just my opinion but I think Batman The Animated Series Got The Character Of Batman Right that by the time we got to the Arkham Series , it was like the Cherri on top of a awesome sundae. I think Superman The Animated Series , The Christopher Reeves Movies , And , Smallville. In my opinion as a huge Superman fan , Synder ruined Superman’s character but excelled at doing Batman. What D.C. should have done was get another director who really got Superman’s character and kept Synder only doing Batman but unfortunately that wouldn’t have worked because D.C. at the time had to have a cinematic universe so they could copy Marvel’s success at the box office at the time which is so unoriginal and greedy but hey that’s greedy corporations for you. The Crossover Special That We Got Did The Batman And Superman Meeting Right Not This Pathetic Excuse For A Game. Iam getting so freakin tired 🥱 of D.C ruining both Batman and Superman that maybe as two disgruntled fans we should get together and take over the writing ✍️ of Batman And Superman at D.C . LOL!!!!. 💐💐 You Can Take Batman And I Will Take Superman And Starfire LOL!!!!. 💐💐 I know we would be much better than the dumb idiots that are currently at D.C. 😂 LOL !!!!. 💐💐

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Hm, I see, that’s unfortunate, i hope there will be more to it, but until we get more details, i just hope the Arkham Series gets taken care of by another Studio.

[@MrE215_]

I love you so much Kwing

[@imemovengeance]

I always wanted to know what Batman would have had to become

[@Muddfeet64]

Yeah, that sounds kinda bad. And when I saw it, I hated how Hologram Batman just fully says 'HEY, LISTEN... I am Bruce Wayne'???? That was and is the dumbest and most un-batman thing EVER, even if he was exposed it sounds dumb still