Summoner Job Actions Trailer - FFXIV Endwalker

Summoner, as seen from the Endwalker Job Actions trailer.
See the demo here: • 6.0 Summoner Demonstra...
Actions shown in order: (Localised names from demonstration. Tentative pending Media tour)
0:00 - Intro
0:04 - Ruin III
0:08 - Energy Drain
0:10 - Protective Light
0:12 - Ruin IV
0:14 - Fester
0:16 - Summon Bahamut
0:20 - Astral Impulse (replaces Ruin III)
0:24 - Astral Flare (replaces Tri-disaster)
0:26 - Deathflare
0:29 - Enkindle Bahamut + Akh Morn
0:34 - Summon Garuda II + Aerial Blast
0:41 - Slipstream
0:47 - [Emerald Catastrophe + UnknownGemShine] x 2
0:58 - Painflare
1:00 - Tri-disaster (AoE GCD replacing Outburst)
1:05 - Summon Titan II + Earthen Fury
1:13 - [UnknownGemShine + Mountain Buster, Topaz Catastrophe + Mountain Buster] x 2
1:30 - Summon Ifrit II + Inferno
1:38 - Ruby Catastrophe + UnknownGemShine
1:46 - Crimson Cyclone (gap closer) + Crimson Strike (melee? range attack)
1:51 - Summon Phoenix
1:55 - Fountain of Fire (replaces Ruin III)
1:58 - Brand of Purgatory (replaces Tri-disaster)
2:01 - Flames of Rebirth
2:04 - Enkindle Phoenix + Revelation
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[@corxiiifelinike2643]

1. We are no longer just a ruin mage. 2. SMN seems like a whole different job to play now. 3. Endwalker job action trailer is 20min, SMN showcase is 2min. Endwalker is secretly SMN’s expansion 😂

[@S3rp3rior]

Have a buddy that was all like "FINALLY ITD PALADIN TIME TO SHINE" *Me, after this trailer* Sit down, ITS MY TIME HAHAHAHHA

[@Yammmz372]

I feel like every expansion, its always smn that takes the spotlight. i was actually expecting a different summon but this is hell of alot better!

[@andry6164]

Yes to finish as fast as possible for the new jobs

[@espio30]

Summoner did make it to the moon in ff4

[@lushdontu4015]

You jinxed it…. The new summoner uses more ruins than shadowbringers summoner. Don’t let the visuals fool you. The summons just jump out for a few seconds and leave and then you spam elemental ruins. I wish they just changed the rotation a bit and added a cooler version of egi’s that stay by our side permanently.

[@Riku-Leela]

Finally don't have to remember war and peace from memory to be able to play summoner it looks

[@Rakka5]

LOOK AT ME GAIUS! I AM THE ULTIMA WEAPON NOW!

[@rebeccatomlin3121]

Such devastation!

[@enochexe1620]

Such devastation!

[@shldnfr]

Such Devastation!

[@UndyingWladeslaus]

This was NOT my intention...

[@Deadpoppedgeist]

This is how my conquest ends Cid in smoke and ashes

[@AkhMorning]

Actions shown in order: (Localised names pending Media tour. This is a showcase and not the future rotation.) • Ruin III • Energy Drain • Protective Light • Ruin IV • Fester • Summon Bahamut • Astral Impulse (replaces Ruin III) • Astral Flare (replaces Tri-disaster, name not observed) • Deathflare • Enkindle Bahamut + Akh Morn • Summon Garuda II + Aerial Blast • Slipstream • [Emerald Catastrophe + unknown] x 2 • Painflare • Tri-disaster (AoE GCD replacing Outburst) • Summon Titan II + Earthen Fury • [unknown + Mountain Buster, Topaz Catastrophe + Mountain Buster] x 2 • Summon Ifrit II + Inferno • Ruby Catastrophe x 2 • Crimson Cyclone (gap closer) + Crimson Strike (melee? range attack) • Summon Phoenix • Fountain of Fire • Brand of Purgatory • Flames of Rebirth • Enkindle Phoenix + Revelation

[@phurygaming3347]

Wasn't it mentioned that during Garuda and Titan phases that all spells would be instant but not during Ifrit?

[@AkhMorning]

@@phurygaming3347 More a mix. We also did not have Gem Shine actions shown in the demonstration as Yoshida didn't have it on his hotbar - the single target actions while under an Elemental Aether state.

[@Tiniestvoice]

I was expecting a new egi, not for SMN to become a mini Ultima. I love it.

[@zorlac72]

Man this is the Summoner I’ve been dreaming about since 2013! ❤️❤️❤️

[@airnoiphongsavath8509]

Yes finally!!!!

[@momos5803]

Same

[@shihakheha6389]

Is it just me or the carbuncle does nothing in this trailer?

[@zorlac72]

@@shihakheha6389 I think it does Protective Light around .11-12s mark, not 100% sure but it seems.

[@IchiroSuzuki97]

This is True power... can't wait to pick up my grimoire again

[@momos5803]

Yesss I never dropped mines but I am so happy to see these changes.

[@IchiroSuzuki97]

@@momos5803 for real, I'll be an actual summoner! I only stopped playing to learn Dragoon

[@0shawhat]

I started playing FF14 last year solely just to experience summoner cause I fkn love Bahamut. God last night was an experience, thank you yoshi-p and the team

[@luminescentjudge0893]

I have been waiting for this kind of glow up, since 2013. A true Summoner Job 😍🥰 maining it since 2.0 patiently.

[@Pachiku93]

This is definitely an improvement. We actually get to summon primals instead of spaming ruin with some summoning on the side and it seems like Dreadwyrm Trance is gone

[@sammycakes8778]

Its definitely gone and so are all the dots.

[@AkhMorning]

Dreadwyrm Trance and and Firebird Trance now upgrade into Summon Bahamut and Summon Phoenix.

[@momos5803]

@@AkhMorning That’s a great fix :)

[@Cyatkiten]

I played ffxiv since 2010. And played summoner since arr. I always loved summoner from pervious ff games especially ffxi. So to finally see ifrit....Garuda....titan....finally look like themselves instead of what we had....I'm so excited. Can't wait to play it!!!

[@k.vn.k]

Feel very light and powerful with all insta cast, big bursts, while weaving the different phases of primals

[@ItsSauIGoodman]

Okay I get it. For each primal you summon besides bahamut, your spells and abilities change while still having things like fester.

[@NathanWubs]

bahamut not behemoth

[@ItsSauIGoodman]

@@NathanWubs right, sorry

[@ek9750]

@@ItsSauIGoodman bahamut changes the actions too now look at the first 2 spells he does after summoning bahamut

[@ItsSauIGoodman]

@@ek9750 so I'm assuming all egi hotkeys will be remapped to suit whichever primal you have out as well as giving bahamut his own two skills as well. People are saying we are losing dots but I dont see how when that's the main incentive to use fester.

[@joltionunivers]

@@ItsSauIGoodman We are losing DoTs. Yoshi P confirmed this in the LL. Fester will most likely just be a Aether flow weave ability with a higher potency due to the loss of Miasma and Bio.

[@lheesycovi1763]

Ahh yes no more gaurda egi out of range in dungeons

[@kellnworldpeace]

What a huge improvement to the summoner job. Stoked!

[@Malfeasance1]

There's nothing here that I don't absolutely love. Seems pretty huge that Bahamut automatically autos your target with no inputs now. As long as Akh Morn is nice and reactive I can see it going a long way to solve the ghosting and bad AI complaints, unless of course there's some funky new issues with target swapping or something. It'll also help if we only get one AM per cycle now as well, hard to tell if that's the case or if they only casted the one.

[@momos5803]

I think it will still be 2. Use one as soon as you summon and the other right before it ends.

[@Gameshunter92]

@@momos5803 If I remember right, it still 2 uses. Demi-Baha and Demi-Phoenix last 15 seconds now, but Enkindle is at at 10 seconds cooldown now. Or at least that's what you could see during Yoshida's SMN gameplay.

[@ajthecat2982]

You say this isn’t a future rotation but damn it seems pretty close to me but I guess we will learn more from the media tour. All and all great job on the video and on call out all the skill that were use. I am sure going to study this over a few times.

[@CryogenicEchelon]

Summoner has been my DPS main since I started last year. Soon as I saw this I went into Bozja and didn't leave until I had Blade's Acumen. So fuckin hype.

[@outkastkami6425]

That's cool I'm really looking forward to summoner I've been playing it alot lately.

[@romanulus15]

Did anyone else notice that there was a directed heal in the middle of that? Like, Phoenix has always had never-ending flight HoT but there was a moment where the caster placed a heal or HoT or something on himself. I wonder what that was? I love it. Been playing summoner since 2015. What about sustain?? So many questions. No more egi assault?? Soo, has the ruin for mechanic changed beyond just the stylistic aspects of it? Is there a summon-less aesthetic for the ruin IV/tri-D we have now??? Can't wait!! Feels like FF Tactics Advance SMN to me. Goose. Bumps.

[@AkhMorning]

That would be Flames of Rebirth, the action that you have with Summon Phoenix instead of Deathflare with Bahamut. It does a direct heal and applies the Flames of Rebirth HoT that, according to its status description, acts like SCH Excog and on expiration or when the trigger condition is met, it applies a HoT that is > 2x stronger than Everlasting Flight. It is not yet known if Flames of Rebirth is party wide or single target.

[@StrangerForever85]

I’m a Summoner main, and I’m both excited and nervous for the changes.

[@AkhMorning]

Nothing we havent done for 3 expansions in a row :)

[@StrangerForever85]

@@AkhMorning , I started near the end of Shadowbringers. This will be an experience.

[@ironwolg]

Same. I’m wondering what it’ll be like at lower levels now. It wouldn’t make sense to take away the ability to summon the different primals, but at the same time I don’t see anything “new” outside of the rework if that makes sense.

[@vasylpark2149]

Same

[@ironwolg]

Loving the changes, it looks like they took a lot of the more classic summoner roles and blended them together. The main thing I’m worried about is what lvl 80 and below smn is gonna look like. Are we going to lose the ability to summon ifrit, Titan, or Garuda at lower levels now? I’m wondering what the lvl 90 aspect of this is because I don’t see anything that’s like a progression, it looks like a full rework of what it already is.

[@Shinoyami65]

Egis will still exist, in the live letter they had an Ifrit-egi that was glamoured as a Carbuncle.

[@momos5803]

@@Shinoyami65 In the second half didn’t Yoshida say he had it backwards? He said carbuncle will be the main pet. He said you can glamour your carbuncle to look like the egis if you want. Egis are gone. They don’t attack anymore. From my understanding.

[@cdtrico]

@@momos5803 Yeah it was like this, Egis are gone-replaced by the jewels, it did seem as if there's lower level versions of the jewels ad the skills had a "II" behind them, so probably just weaker at lower levels, maybe less charges on the big skills etc.

[@momos5803]

@@cdtrico Yes I agree with you.

[@StmaclGaming]

So I've done some scouring of tool tips and here's what I've figured out. Our only permanent summon is a normal carbuncle. It has 2 abilities which are replacements for Titan's shields and aetherpact respectively. We use aethercharge to channel jewel attunements to summon Ruby, Emerald and Topaz Carbuncles respectively. Each of them does a big attack gives us stacks of corresponding elemental aether, then leaves. We spend the elemental aether on special moves and it appears we cannot summon a different jewel carbuncle until said aether is expended, either by use or timeout. Once we actually become Summoners we replace each carbuncle with their respective primal egi (via the austerities job quests. It is unclear whether this will be permanent like it is now on syncing back into old content or if we'll have the carbuncles below 30). Through Heavensward Aethercharge upgrades into Dreadwyrm Trance, meaning we do our trance to get our gem attunements. (Deathflare's tool tip indicates that it doesn't end trance anymore either). During Trance, Ruin 3 and Outburst turn into Astral Impulse and Astral Flare respectively. Higher damage instant versions basically. Astral Flow (which we get at 60) changes depending on which trance or fury you're under (so for Dreadwyrm it's deathflare). At 70 Dreadwyrm Trance upgrades into Summon Bahamut meaning we now trance at the same time Bahamut is out. It'll wyrmwave on it's own now so just remember to Enkindle it twice and focus on your dreadwym stuff. At level 80 after Bahamut has come out summon bahamut turns into summon phoenix, carrying the effects it does now as well as giving gem attunements. Astral Flow becomes Rekindle under firebird trance which is basically a weaker version of SCH's Excogitation. When you get to 86 Summoning Ifrit and Garuda will give you Ifrit's Fury and Garuda's Fury respectively. Using either of Titan's earth aether attacks gives you Titan's Fury. Each Fury changes Astral Flow to each of the respective Primal's signature summoner attacks (Crimson Cyclone, Mountain Buster and Slipstream). At level 90 the summon Ifrit, Garuda and Titan actions get upgraded to their 2 versions which summons the full primal shown in the video. No doubt you may have found this info out in the time since this comment was made, this info is here mainly for those too lazy to look for it themselves :P

[@jordanio0825]

No more ruin 3 spam! I'm crying out of joy 🤣😭🤣

[@clauillill]

I rly like smn is like the caster with no casts ❤️ but rip dots

[@k.vn.k]

Happy no more upkeep dot timers

[@dustincarroll3168]

@@k.vn.k I liked the dot based gameplay

[@papabones8753]

@@dustincarroll3168 I am thankful it's gone. I suck at keeping dots up because they're so tiny to my eye.

[@k.vn.k]

@@dustincarroll3168 bard

[@Sammysnows]

This is actually one of the most wanted stuff to be removed since back in 2.0 a lot of smn main complain that smn is more DoT than actual summoning.

[@AlchemicSoul]

SECRET 3RD NEW JOB

[@gamerbun866]

EGIS ARE DEAD! LONG LIVE THE TRUE SUMMONERS! 8D

[@conormcguire4306]

We still have carbuncle :)

[@AndrewAment]

Been playing Smn and Sch since 2.0 (sch might be shoved aside by Sage/AST) but I am curious if TriD is now Outburst with big boomboom.

[@ShowtuneMatt]

I’m just curious about the carbuncle is it going to auto attack or something because it appears that it just stands there. Also SUPER excited about these changes

[@momos5803]

I don’t think carby will sadly.

[@OfficialBrandonEmeka]

Lol you guys are going to have redo all those guides from the ground up 😅

[@AkhMorning]

Just another expansion release, or x.1 patch. A well known rodeo to be sure!

[@ThePartyslug]

Pretty sure the unknowns are some kind of buff applied to the outburst like spell that allow it to be buffed by the current summon stock at a cost of one of said stock.

[@AkhMorning]

Gem Shine and Gem Brilliance are the two extra actions separate from Ruin III and Tri-disaster (the Outburst replacement). While Yoshida had Brilliance on his hotbar for the demo, he didn't have Shine - so we never had the chance to see the tooltips in Japanese for the Elemental Shines.

[@aurumvale9908]

smn becomes a full one Pokémon trainer

[@KaminoZan]

More like a Persona-user, it looks really good!

[@scoobyElinguisa]

The four dislikes are SCH mains

[@alexgourdplant]

The hype is too real!

[@DreadPyke]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Bahamut seems to be attacking of his own will (as opposed to after casting Astral spells)?

[@AkhMorning]

That appears to be the case. You'll see with Bahamut and Phoenix in this trailer that their 2nd and 4th actions from them don't have a player spell prompting them. In the demonstration there is a bit where Yoshida does move and Phoenix doesn't move check towards him. This lends to the idea that their attacks are now automatic.

[@Snowdemoman]

I may or may not have started a trial in anticipation of these changes. Am I about to go deep for this?

[@LordStrell]

After how many years...they finally made summoner the way it should have been...since the beginning. (Finally feels like it did back in FF11)

[@momos5803]

Looks really nice right?

[@Catdogomeow]

Summoner remake looks good

[@gamerboi93]

So much yes! I main Summoner, and this looks a whole lot better! Just finished Shadowbringers today, and now looking up a lot of things for Endwalker. Buh bye Egis!

[@WolfDoggie]

Now I'ma want to buy glam of FF15 Garuda for it.

[@Kamexe]

*cries in my whole rotation is gonna be a burst phase when so gotta relearn tincture timing*

[@Michael-ib6ky]

Are Bahamut's attacks in the beginning placeholder animations? Not the Morns', but it looks like he attacks and then there's just a little dust cloud 🤔 Gorgeous on the rest though

[@AkhMorning]

That's alas how Demi Bahamut's wyrmwave is. If it was like Prime's itd have a real weight and thud to it

[@bishonen029]

After all these years, we still have NO ice / water summon!

[@cd-jk4rh]

play final fantasy 11, it is the correct summoner

[@momos5803]

7.0 maybe 😂

[@gamma00crucis]

One day... one day we'll summon Shiva. But for now at least we actually get to summon the other primals🤠

[@KaminoZan]

And we never will. That was decided waaaaay back in Heavenswards' development.

[@zcloudhowl]

While I'm glad there are no dots, I'll miss the pet aspect of the job.

[@DioDinero]

Not gunna lie. As cool as this looks, I’m probably only going to level it. The monk changes stole my heart.

[@mikereese9747]

Paladin: Yes! My time to shine bitches! HaHa Summoner: Hold my tea and crumpets. 🧐 *2 minutes later…* Paladin: 👁👄👁

[@Saimeren]

So basically, you summon Bahamut, then the three lessers, then Phoenix, then back to the three lessers, and then by the time that's up, Bahamut is back up to start the cycle all over again? Or is there a longer wait between Phoenix and Bahamut?

[@momos5803]

Based on everything I’ve seen it seems when you’re done with Phoenix then bahamut should be up and ready to go to start it all over again.

[@Santango]

At long last, a gap closer

[@peculiar]

Hoof. Lot of questions. RIP DoTs, I guess. 😕

[@funnyPafee]

all dots are removed)

[@vasylpark2149]

RIP dots, you'll be missed.

[@solblackguy]

They should've given them to SCH though. I know all 16 of them would've appreciated it.

[@peculiar]

@@solblackguy I actually agree. They *should* have just moved the DoTs back to SCH.

[@solblackguy]

@@peculiar That's actually what I thought they were going to do after stripping it from SMN. Then they literally laughed at SCH and gave all the DoTs to Sage to use automatically. I've never played SCH a day in my life and that even hurt my feelings lol.

[@EridianAngel]

Where did you get the names for the spells?

[@AkhMorning]

Translations by our team from the SMN demonstration footage kzbin.info/www/bejne/hn_Jn6Gtob2Jbs0. They are not confirmed final ones and are tentative, other than the actions that remain the same or we know their English equivalent from the Japanese.

[@EridianAngel]

@@AkhMorning oh I completely missed that part of the reveal. Thanks!

[@frozenstar8050]

SUCH DEVASTATION

[@lordsaladito]

We are now gaius wettest dream

[@GrandAngel8000]

Comparing this to Scholar updates is .... depressing .... As a Scholar main, I wonder if we'll ever truly get any love.

[@SuperUltraOmegaDude]

Such Resolution, This was not my Intent.

[@lp1spiritguidance577]

Honestly I’m gonna prefer just to have carbuncle as a base egi and make it look like Titan

[@momos5803]

Titan-egi? I’m gonna make my carbuncle look like topaz carbuncle. My favorite.

[@lp1spiritguidance577]

@@momos5803 yeah from what I’ve heard you can make the carbs cle look like the old egi’s

[@momos5803]

@@lp1spiritguidance577 yeah I wasn’t a fan of the old egis at all. So gonna keep mines just looking like carbuncle.

[@CosmicChris]

I like how some jobs were like. "Yeah, okay... still not addressing WAR's awkward AoE rotation. Or the fact MNK has no Projectile so he isn't killing himself when soloing. Or ditching the stances... Will play literally any other DPS." "Red Mage is still brain dead garbage..." "Dancer looks cooler..." "Fuck, Ninja and Samurai got love too." "Black Mage is still Black Mage. White Mage scares me even more. OH LOOK, THEY WENT EXTRA HARD WITH SUMMONER!" The only thing I found weird with Summoner, was the fact it has a Gap Closer and a Melee strike. It was the only eyebrow raising thing to me. But fuuuck. Summoner got Extra love. And Finally. "I have no fucking clue what Sage and Reaper are doing exactly. But I support it."

[@papabones8753]

I actually love the idea of more classes having gap-closers since it's such a helpful tool for getting out of certain aoes. Even Ninja got a dedicated gap-closer, love it.

[@NathanWubs]

IF you die while sololing because you cannot kite things, you are doing something wrong. Unless you are talking about solo play in dungeons and stuff, then yeah. but that is only relevant for 5% of the players. And most of those 5% of players can use a tank or healer or better solo job. edit: also while no range for MNK, mnk once again is changed quite a bit and has quite some love.

[@CosmicChris]

@@NathanWubs I'll be satisfied with Monk when they ditch the stances, and get combos or unique moves in place of them. As a DPS, I shouldn't have a tanking stance, or a movement speed one, to damage. It just feels incredibly awkward. And I just fucking... zone out playing them going into Auto Pilot the same way I do with Red Mage. Which is... weird because they're extremely different. I just find them to be mindless for me. Just, I kinda wish they had the ranged attack for moments I want to do damage, but cannot due to AoE's being like. "You don't want to be right here." Granted, there is quite a bit I'm meh about for Monk. I feel like these are more baby steps, instead of addressing objective issues. Like... as a DPS, I shouldn't have a tanking ish stance. And you just use Fist of Wind for when you are traveling at times when you want to get away or around enemies when not mounted. But Riddle of Earth, Fire, and the Fist stances just... Meh? I rather them be extra effects rather than just stat modifiers I can toggle. Just give them a Hadoken like move or something, and extra moves. Granted even when playing them well, it just feels like you are weaking the same two combos, with the odd in between. I can keep going, I'm not here to bitch at you. But I do feel like some things should be addressed with their designs so they are both more engaging... And not feeling like a weird dancer moving from back to hips... and I don't feel they are hard, I just get really bored playing them. *Same can be said about Red Mage, oh my god, they are not fun... It is the most brain dead shit in the world. Half of the moves are literally the same with a SFX difference as well as to the resource it contributes to.* As to the uh... Gap closer thing, I never been in a situation as a Summoner where I needed to be very close in most fights to warrant a gap closer as a spell caster, despite not having one as SMN as they are as of ShB. Cast quickly, you have DoTs, if a healer fucks up, you Swift Cast Revive them, and they AoE attacks... Well, they are ranged. They have fast cast times. So I never really felt like I needed that. That is why it caught me by surprise in the video. Apologies for replying to both posters in one big post.

[@vasylpark2149]

Sage looks like it has moves that heal allies when you deal damage. Which is interesting. It was something I wanted from a dream job of mine, White Monk, PUNCH TO HEAL!!!

[@liquidlar]

mnk does not need a ranged attack, esp with its new movment, also from the looks of it summoner might be the easiest caster now rdm will probably be harder lol.

[@airnoiphongsavath8509]

Shiva and Ramuh!!!!!!

[@momos5803]

Don’t forget Leviathan :)

[@jaychang21]

Am I the only one to find it weird that you have to summon bahamut first in order to summon the other three? Seems like a waste of time. They could have just stack it to the Energy Drain skill. Use Energy Drain to get two Aetherial Charge and three summons. For bahamut just have dreadwyrm trance auto summon him like firebird trance does for Phoenix.

[@AkhMorning]

Summon Bahamut and Summon Phoenix does in fact combine the summoning of the Demi-Summons with their Trance counterpart. So it is now Dreadwyrm Trance + Bahamut, Firebird Trance + Phoenix.

[@silverandy100]

Am I forced to use a Carbuncle now? I don't like them.

[@momos5803]

They said you can glamour the egis we currently have now over carbuncle if you want.

[@silverandy100]

@@momos5803 any idea what they will do? they don't seem to be attackin at all? just gonna have them out for the shield spell?

[@momos5803]

@@silverandy100 It seems carbuncle is only used for 2 spells. Single target shield and Devotion, the party buff. Also when Yoshida was playing summoner the pet was set to guard so yes it should of been attacking. Remember this is a dev build so maybe for that reason they didn’t want carby to attack or maybe they are still deciding if they want him to attack in the live version. I say wait for media tour information where we will learn a bit more. I honestly wouldn’t mind if carby stood next to us and did nothing.

[@Red-tn3wm]

I just hope it's not dumbed down. Not that it take a genius to play SMN right now by any means, but every other jobs with the exception of healers in general, feel so damn boring and braindead. 🤔

[@DizzyGorgon]

My gripe, is summoner in ff14 is no longer a pet class...only reason I played it lol now I have a level 80 mage that is the shamen king of primals...

[@Brosemon]

At least in the one other FF game I played, thats more what it was like. Not someone with pets, but someone that spawns in this big dude to do a big attack then leave.

[@SquashDog01]

Oh neat, you have access to the beta build it sounds like. Can you tell us some of the other actions not shown to us from the Live Letter? Oh wait, what’s that? You don’t and are making snap judgements about a job you don’t have the full picture of yet? Huh…that’s strange.

[@jakirohiro1960]

Final fantasy summoners were never meant to be a pet class lol

[@skorme8707]

A lot of people seem to like it and looks like I'm the only one not hyped for this. I started with that job and main it ever since and this feels like they getting away from a true summoner. If primals would stay on the field, yeah maybe.. but the job is becoming more of a elementalist than a summoner. A summoner is not supposed to take power from his summons, his summons are supposed to do the elemental job. Summons here are just nice animations. You have nothing new, juste reused assets. It feels nothing like a summoner, just a generic mage. They removed DOTs as well. I started this job because I love pet and poison in video games. They removed both. Removing DOTs is not strange for a summoner. I mean DOT does not define a summoner so even if I'm sad about it, it can be understandable.. but pet ? Allo ? You're removing the core essence of the summoner ?? Moshi moshi ?? I really hope that what I feel is just a feeling.. because for now, the urge of changing job is strong.

[@zcloudhowl]

I'm okay with no Dots, but I am sad about the fact that the egis basically do almost nothing. I liked the pet class aspect of the job

[@warkiller]

Believe or not, this revamp might make Summoners much closer to original oldschool Summoners from the earlier FF games. In all of the older games, the Summoner was often a class who's main ability was to just summon the eidolon for one big powerful attack. And it would also have access to some other offensive spells. Best example of this would be Rydia, the Summoner character from FF4, who could use both Summon magics and Black Magic too. FF10 would be the first time where Summons would take a different direction from what they used to be, but even then, they still followed that trend. When summoned, they would just replace your party and you could command them to use certain attacks, then use their signature move at the end of their timer before your party comes back. And while Yuna could do Summons, she also had access to other magic abilities to fight. FF11 is probably where it really got changed by making the Summoner become a full-on pet class of sorts. And due to FF14 having been originally an FF11 2.0, that is probably the main reason why people latched on to the idea that FF14 Summoner should be a more focused pet class. In FF12 though, Espers took the role of Eidolons, but they did the same thing as Eidolon summons did in most other FF games. Summons in FF13 took on a similar role to how they behaved in FF10, by becoming a temporary replacement to your party until you expended their gauge for the final signature attack. So in retrospect when you look at it, most depictions of Summons in FF games has always been that cinematic appearance of the Eidolon performing its big attack, then leaving off. The upcoming revamp would make FF14's Summoner job be closer in-line with the original depiction of Summoners. But I will add this other detail. The removal of pets seem to be a strange thing that would apparently deny the identity of the Summoner job. That might be true, but on another hand, removing pets on Summoners is something that is honestly for the better. The reason why? Because of how much the combat pets in FF14 have been notoriously difficult to properly control and use as desired. And as we got into Stormblood, SE even removed Sustain, which was your main ability to heal your pets. And with Demi-Bahamut, it was basically impossible to use Titan-Egi to tank anymore. Following that in Shadowbringers, pets were made untargettable, meaning their role as pets became even more dumbed down. And let's not forget that in Shadowbringers, only Ifrit and Garuda-Egi were effective. And from a development perspective, it was getting harder and harder for SE to figure out how to make Summoners better with their pets. Which is why we got this revamp coming up in Endwalker. And I believe that this change is going to make Summoner all the better for so many reasons. Because now it looks like Summoner will be able to actually use a self-shield without having to sacrifice DPS(via swapping to Titan-Egi and spending an Egi-Assault), and some potential better self-heal(giving them a bit better survivability to match up with Black Mage's Manaward and Red Mage's Vercure). So overall, those changes are going to make FF14 Summoner a lot closer to the feel of the classic FF Summoner, moreso than you think. And if you really just want to play a DoT-based DPS, then it seems you will have to go switch to Bard.

[@skorme8707]

I believe you. I started with FF10 and since then I'm a big fan of the FF serie. I did them all, from 1 to 15 and that several times. So I pretty know what you are saying is true (except maybe on FF12, it's not entirely correct). That is, also, what I'm saying to people when they speak about the revamp of the summoner class. They went and took inspiration into the OG summoner from first FF games and use the idea for the summoner of FF14. The problem is, summoners from all FF games didn't take at all theirs summons abilities or power. They were using their own range of spells, from white and black magic. Summons were a plus. The summoner in FF14 will still be a summoner because of the egi (even if now it will be pointless to have it), Bahamuth and Phoenix. Those new additions for Endwalker will not make the summoner closer to a true summoner, or even closer to the OG summoners. Yes they took inspiration from them, but no it will not look like that. If you think about it, you're literaly an human Ultima. And what does Ultima do ? It draws into primals power to use their power. It does not summon them. It is not rare than in video games, elementalist, elementalist-like or job close to the nature draw from spirit to get power. That's what the summoner from Endwalker will do and that's why I'm saying the summoner will not look totaly like a summoner but more like a elementalist. So I disagree of the fact that will make this Summoner closer to the feel of the classic FF Summoner. To do that, they should have come with a pure unique summoner kit and not attacks draw from primal. To be fair, removing the pet would not remove the essence of the summoner. From the FF perspective at least. I was overexaggerating on that. The thing is, a lot of people play FF14 without even knowing what are the other FF games and revoming the only thing that what make a summoner a "summoner" is pretty strange. They should have entirely remove it at this point. We're going to have only one pet who's going to do nothing but stay here waiting for a spell. That is why I agree with you from a development perspective to make the summoner better without causing him more problems with ghosting, lag and pic server. From what I saw, there are some really good change, but I truely think deep down that they change the summoner that way for casual player. The summoner was (still is technically) the least friendly job to go to if you're playing seriously into your job and not just unga bunga your spells when you see them. And I speak from experience since I'm parsing orange on FF (which means I know a few things on the game). I mean what's the point of removing the DOTs ? They were no problem to the core summoner. That being said, I think as well that the summoner will have a better day coming into Endwalker, butI still think the job will lose some of its identity. I truely hope that the feeling I got will just be a feeling and I'll still have fun playing it. PS : They could have choose/done better than Ifrit, Titan and Garuda tho. We could have had our own stylish summons.. but yeah, I know, lore. PS2 : Fuck Bard. Their DOTs suck. Summoner's one are smooth as hell. One cast and one instant which allows you to move. It means they are perfectly aligned from the start as well. And do we speak about tri-disaster ?? An OGCD who reapplies (and not reset) DOTs direclty. Like instant. Not with a small delay like Bard, WHM or BLM. Instanly. Bard DOTs are not aligned and the fact that the reset is not an oGCD makes me want to smash my keyboard haha (joking obviously). Moreover, the job sucks to me and I don't have fun playing it. Physical Ranged is not fun on this game.

[@momos5803]

I main summoner and basically it’s always felt more like a wow warlock to me. The poisons and pets (Didn’t mind the pets btw) but it just felt really off. I’m digging this rework. It makes me feel more like a summoner because I will be summoning much much more now. I wish carbuncle did at least range attack near us but I understand why they are stationary. I’m happy with the changes and can’t wait to get my hands on it.

[@jakirohiro1960]

It's actually closer to the og summoners. If you want to get technical then wouldn't it be boring to have just have a black mage that could summon? Who would play blm then? So they made it a bit different.

[@deathlegion6713]

Honesty this is a step back rather then a step forward

[@DarthRayban]

Honestly is a step forward and then back and then forward and then back and then one step forward~♪♪~

[@kingansah9115]

This new summoner is the summoner I thought I was gonna be when I first picked summoner to be my first job

[@airnoiphongsavath8509]

Me too!! I was so excited due to the graphical improvement! Then they gave us egis, I was all, wtf???

[@Crowens]

Same. All I do is cast dots and fester lol

[@David_Phoenix23]

Same first job and always my main