Sun over Spitsbergen : the flat Earth Sun orbit!

[@sineout9294]

That banned list is a huge badge of honour, and perfectly illustrates flat earthers' bankruptcy. They have no shame.

[@fromnorway643]

Excellent animation as always! One thing I noted about that elliptical orbit was that the Sun at midnight is more than three times farther away than at noon. I suspect that someone on Svalbard would have noticed if the Sun's angular size decreased from 30 arc minutes to less than 10 in just 12 hours!

[@sendintheclowns7305]

I like how the blazing hot local sun passes directly over the ice wall twice a day. It must pass over at night since it doesn't melt the wall!

[@angrydoggy9170]

Indeed. Maybe, just maybe the earth is not flat. Perhaps something FE proponents might consider sometimes if they had the brains and the willingness to consider facts, logical thinking and observations.

[@ruud9767]

Amazing. Not just the video, but also that you are banned by 112 flat earth channels: a perfect accolade for a debunker!

[@equinoxproject2284]

Not only is the orbit silly, it just doesn't look like that from any other observation point on earth.

[@josleys]

Correct!

[@equinoxproject2284]

@@josleys not only that Jos, we need a FE explanation on why shadows move down tall objects at sunrise and down tall objects at sunset.

[@josleys]

@@equinoxproject2284 Correct again. They also have no explanation as to why a smaller mountain can cast a shadow on the top of a taller mountain at sunset.

[@silenthunter8254]

@@josleys or how sunlight can be on the bottom of clouds at sunset/sunrise

[@josleys]

@@silenthunter8254 Correct again. Also no explanation for a straight line shadow track of the tip of a stick at the equinoxes with a sun that circles above their FE.

[@wonderwall989]

Brilliant. Stuff like this is why many flerfs call themselves globe “skeptics”, so they don’t have to try to explain it on a flat earth.

[@A15degreeperhourdrift]

Just curious: On the magic pancake, which way is south?

[@stephaneduhamel7706]

Outwards

[@fromnorway643]

@@stephaneduhamel7706 So that's the reason why observers in South Africa, South America and Australia can see the _same_ stars and constellations when looking south even when they according to the flat earth should be looking in three different directions!

[@John.0z]

Another utterly amazing bit of research and animation Jos. Thank you for the great work.

[@3moirai]

Awesome animation, as always!

[@adventureswithdogs2251]

"flat earth...Flat Earth...FLAT EARTH!!...On second thought, let's not go to flat earth. 'Tis a silly place."

[@frankdebrouwer-leiden]

Beautiful animation as could be expected from you. We know that the whole flat earth business is just that: a business. And one without any merit, without any scientific content, and with loads of bollocks, most of which contradict other loads of bollocks from the same flerfers. But it keeps amusing those who know how the world really looks.

[@josleys]

Yes Frank! What would we do without flerfers for our entertainment?

[@frankdebrouwer-leiden]

@@josleys Life would be ever so boring!

[@John.0z]

@@frankdebrouwer-leiden Sorry Frank, but I think I would prefer to find other amusements than see so many people misled by those scam-artists.

[@frankdebrouwer-leiden]

@@John.0z I don't think they manage to fool that many. But basically you're right, it's pathetic that these videos are necessary to educate these flerfers. If they would find solid ground, they could become dangerous.

[@Смоегодиванадалековидать]

spherical triangles are not solved on the plane

[@ReinoGoo]

Each angle is in it's own plane, perpendicular to two other planes (the great circles).

[@biolastro4418]

Magnifique travail d'animation. Merci !

[@sthurston2]

Another lovely animation. Thanks Jos.

[@anonymousguest9290]

I appreciate the graphical demonstration.

[@DDR248]

This is something that the 2D reptilian brain of the flat earthers cannot process. But thanks for your outstanding videos. Hoping the flat earthers can think in three dimensions someday.

[@YouToobeism]

@Sascha Müller said "2D reptilian brain of the flat earthers". Oh, that's cold....barely about ambient, but deliciously cold. I'll have to add this description to my list of terms describing the flattardian Cleti I encounter on the dark side of YT. Thanks for the chuckle. Made my day.

[@appresley4071]

Each and every video Jos is a masterpiece based on what is observed in reality. Who could argue with such unquestionable basic logic...

[@moggpiano8043]

"Who could argue with such basic unquestionable logic?" .... There's a pretty comprehensive list in the description!

[@appresley4071]

@@moggpiano8043 I have been banned by a few flerfers myself. Trouble is they never argue with any logic presented. They will either ignore you or just ban you.

[@YouToobeism]

@@moggpiano8043, my favorite FE channeler in Jos' banned list is bigpigslapper - Oink, who is so convinced his personal interpretation of his god's chroniclers have answered all life's questions, that he overlooks the impossibility of sight of a light house on the North Carolina coast from another 40 miles distant, which is better explained by the presence of a highway bridge just below the distant lighthouse, indicating by the angle of the two that the camera was most likely no more than 10 miles distant. When pointed out to Mr. Oink, his defensive response was "I didn't take that photo". But he did keep the photo in his quiver of videos proving his god is real, with no apparent lessening of his faith or personal cognitive abilities.

[@appresley4071]

@@YouToobeism Don't tell me that flat earthers are dishonest.

[@YouToobeism]

@@appresley4071, dishonesty is often the result of confirmation bias and religious zeal. FEers seem to fall into two general categories; the grifters who make some folding money off the other group; the clueless.

[@tjjones621]

That is quite an impressive list of bans. It shows just how far you've gotten under their skin. :)

[@tomacana]

I saw a video a few years ago that I cannot find again. It was about apparent flat concentric planes on the ocean. As you in crease height above sea level, the more distant the horizon. It become concentric circles as each step taken increases height. The point is the left and right view of the horizon is flat until great heights are reached. It seems as one looks our at the horizontal plane, the horizon is flat. At some point that you look down more than out, you are seeing the perimeter of the circle more down than out. I tried to show a rotating view as a transit setup in the center. If you put the crosshairs on the horizon, the sights remain on the horizon and comes back to the starting point, hence left and right are level. At the concentric circles extent out you are seeing over previous circles.m

[@josleys]

Does this have anything to do with this video?

[@tomacana]

Actually no, it is about your ability to create good videos. Those in the flat earth community cannot understand curvature even with the availability of your videos, but so many debunkers seem to say that curvature is visible on left and right inspection. Thanks. For replying. BTW, I have watched most of your videos including these one and all are excellent representations of the globe.

[@quinlan1977]

Another flerf bites the dust 🎵🎶

[@td_kdname5197]

On the flat earth the sun has to travel OUTSIDE THE DOME to have 24 hours of sun. How is that possible? More proof Flerfers don't do maths. Another amazing animation from Jos. Cheers!

[@lecokase]

Merci Jos pour votre travail. 👌👍🤗

[@antondovydaitis2261]

Domo Arigato, Leys-sama!

[@YouToobeism]

Another SIMPLY wonderful graphic demo of the features of our globe. The geometric simplicity of the concordance of angles to the sun on our spherical Earth is such a strong proof of its shape, one must assume that those still clinging to the FE memes are either completely without critical faculties or utter contrarians..... or in the case of the FE ILLuminaries; grifters in search of the next fool. For myself, ever in search of prose that conveys with such simplicity the features of our globe, inspired more than a little by your fine videos, I have added a rebuttal to the FEer's bold statement, "there is no gravity; only density and buoyancy", asking them what force causes the display on their smartphone to flip from portrait to landscape with a simple turn of the wrist. Only one FEer has attempted, very poorly, to explain the function without mention of gravity. They all appear to be dumb-founded....... no surprise there, I guess. Thanks, again, for providing another compelling and visually-appealing proof of our global Earth. It is encouraging to view your videos.

[@zed1stwizard]

You do excellent work!

[@lobservatoireduplat]

Great job as usual.

[@PeterLGଈ]

Fantastic animation that explains what we actually see in detail.

[@DNPaterson]

Longyearbyen is worth a visit. It's the only place I've seen a 24 hour sundial! 😃 (I'm sure there are others, but it's interesting to see it.)

[@ihebbendebba2978]

Yes sure, it is obvious and I am not denying it. Even though this animation is fine and 100% correct, it doesn't really show the silliness of the flat earth model (even though it undeniably is) cause the whole argument relies on a subjective opinion you had by judging the motion as 'silly', since there is no silly motion in the universe (take for example the perihelion precession of mercury, by the same logic we could've made the bold assumption that Newtonian dynamics are false) I think that the parallel lines and the horizon arguments are still better to show the silliness of the flat earth.

[@josleys]

Flat Earthers always show a sun circling above a flat Earth, between the tropics. An orbit that stretches beyond the "ice wall" must be "silly" in their eyes. What the video shows is that a sun circling above a flat Earth is impossible, hence flat earth is impossible. I think that is a great argument.

[@fromnorway643]

Any model with a small and local sun in _any_ kind of orbit above a flat earth is silly because that sun's angular size would change greatly during the day and it would _always_ be day _everywhere_ since such a sun would never set.

[@YouToobeism]

@@fromnorway643, and lest we forget, without gravity and orbital motions, there is no force (real or made-up) that can keep a local Sun hanging above the flat pizza world, nor speed it up by 70% at the southern solstice, reverse its motion there and then slow it down by 40% by six months later at the northern solstice. The flattards aren't in this debate to win, to make life better for society, or to make new discoveries (or maps) on flattardia..... no, they are in it to feel special and to do so without lifting a hand or thinking critically. Clearly, what are eeded is more SPECIAL education teachers.

[@moonrules7365]

As far as the flat earth sun is impossible is its travel between the tropics, It would have to slow down and speed up to maintain it's normal rate and it would also change in angular size!

[@fromnorway643]

@@YouToobeism 👍

[@YouToobeism]

Having expended (wasted?) much effort in bringing some light to the dimly-lit corners of YT (Flattardia in particular), it does my heart good to come back to reality and visit Jos' channel (as well as Prof Dave Explains, CoolHardLogic and SciManDan). The enjoyment is enhanced by the lucid sarcasm and highlighted irony found in the comments attached to the videos of these purveyors of knowledge. Uplifting. Thanks go out to the content providers as well as the critical thinkers in the comments section. L-cubed (long live logic)!

[@moonrules7365]

I remember Stinkycash saying that if the sun is orbiting over the Tcan, the sun will be higher in the sky in one direction and lower in the other, but I don't think there will be a 23 degree difference in altitude at Longyearbyen!

[@josleys]

Why not? ...and BTW, it's 23 degrees difference.

[@moonrules7365]

@@josleys yes 23° difference which is even worse for a FE sun! I don't think there can be that much of a difference in altitude if the sun is orbiting over the Tropic of Cancer on a FE at Longyearbyen!

[@josleys]

@@moonrules7365 I could calculate the theoretic angles on a flat Earth, with sun circling above the tropic, but then we need a reputable flerfer to tell us how high the sun's orbit is! You know any such person? Lol!

[@josleys]

@@moonrules7365 Look out, we are at the summer solstice, with the sun above the tropic of Cancer. The sun is not above the arctic circle!

[@moonrules7365]

@@josleys LOL......*facepalm*.....you probably never have that problem where you know better, but still make the mistake....lol

[@diymicha2]

Why has this vid so few clicks, and thumbsup? Share the link folks, click like crazy! Flattards won't get it anyway, but sane people will.

[@SwaaallaGE]

Flurfers never answer questions about longyearbyen. They run away😊

[@lorditsprobingtime6668]

As always, very nice work that sadly those stubbornly ignorant flatards either won't comprehend or will pretend your animation is 👀 G 👁️, which of course it is but it's also a very clear demonstration of reality, that's a thing that's completely foreign to these creatures sadly.

[@YouToobeism]

@LORD, IT'S PROBING TIME 666, I am convinced by the utter lack of critical thinking in the flattard hoard, that among them CGI stands for Cant Get It.

[@tjjones621]

Longyearbyen, Spitsbergen.... all flatearthers are busy using the exact same map of the globe Earth to find it as I type this in real time... just saying. :)

[@unduloid]

Watch it with words like "horizontal," since they will only confuse flerfers.

[@YouToobeism]

@Unduloid, as will level, flat, fall, equator, hemisphere, horizon, orbit, rocket, space, satellite, moon (phases and tides), gravity, refraction, curvature, sunset, geometry (spherical, as Jos has most ably shown) and dullard. But whose counting?

[@unduloid]

@@YouToobeism Well, flerfers tend to latch on the definition that makes the least sense within a given context.

[@YouToobeism]

@@unduloid, that seems right. Another commenter, Isadore Aerys, pushing back on YECism (Young Earth Creation), put it well: "Your entire methodology is identifying scientific objections to your cultural myths then harmonizing those contradictions using a scientific vocabulary borrowed from the exact body of knowledge you are resolved to undermine." I see parallels in the fractured logic rampant in Flattardia. How many videos of space flight do we see in Flattardia "disproving" space flight? Only if one can stomach the outlandish claim that eight countries with over 130 successful rocket launches last year are all in on the conspiracy to keep the truth from us, do their objections have any chance. That they do not is obvious to the thinking adults in the room.

[@duzdunyabukucu1]

Great animation as usual

[@videobitsofreality]

Great

[@2ahdcat]

LORD, IT'S PROBING TIME 666 sent me sent me

[@radvlad1431]

You should make a video like this showing how it's possible we always see the same stars in our night sky as we orbit the Sun year after year. Imagine the sun being the size of a tennis ball floating in the very center of a large room. Then imagine a marble orbiting around it as Earth supposedly orbits the Sun. If we were tiny and standing on the surface of the marble would we not look up at night to see a different wall every hundred eighty degrees of the circular orbit around the tennis ball? Each 180° we would view the wall on the opposite side of the room yet on the Earth we always observe the same stars year round. how can this be?

[@quinlan1977]

We don't observe the same stars all year. The Orion constellation is a good example. The only stars that vary throughout the year are the ones near the Zodiac.

[@viniciuss4529]

Using your example, if the Sun is the size a tennis ball, the Universe is a lot larger than a room, and the other stars would never be as close as the walls in that room are. Besides, we don't see always the same stars, those in the North see some, those in the South see others. And the ones we see, rotate and move their relative positions in the sky exactly as you would suspect it should happen after a 180º, as you call it.

[@josleys]

Say Rad, is that all you can come up with as rebuttal to what this video shows? It's pretty lame if you ask me! Why don't you tell us what the real orbit is of the sun above flat Earth?

[@edderiofer]

> yet on the Earth we always observe the same stars year round. We don't. For instance, during late August, we are on the far side of the sun compared to the star Regulus, and so we cannot see it. Who told you that we always see the same stars year round?

[@josleys]

@@edderiofer I guess a flat Earther told him! Would you not agree? Just guessing! ...but I am probably right, as usual!