Super Simple Hammer Eye Punch! How to make and use it!

[@drnastey]

Iv spent alot of time watching KZbin for black smithing. And alot of different creators of smithing content. The way you show everything you do in depth and explain everything is beyond anything else. Your awesome

[@Uncle_Bucks_Forge]

I don't think you guys that do these kind of videos realise how much we are learning from you. Please keep them coming. Thank you

[@danielmoss2089]

Thanks you Steve your epic.

[@breakit2makeit393]

Honestly man ive learnt some serious things off youtube,but noone explains quite like you . I look forward to watching more 👌

[@h.walker1332]

I feel bad that I only just discovered your channel. I think your videos will become an asset to me this year.

[@drevil2783]

I'm not a blacksmith by ANY imagination but for some f-ing funny reason i find anvils very interesting pieces of equipment.

[@mattwyeth3156]

I really enjoyed watching you making this tool and thanks for describing it in as much detail as possible

[@NjalLaing]

Good one Dan. Nicely demonstrated and video not too long

[@SSSmithing]

Great work Dan

[@jjppres]

Great video! Thanks Dan.

[@michaelrobertson8795]

Excellent video👍👍👍

[@mitchelperkins6723]

Nice bit of kit. Made a bunch myself

[@TomofAllTrades]

Great video. I dig how you showed the procedure by yourself.

[@BBForge]

nicely done Dan.

[@deanhooks4474]

Great narrative Daniel. I really appreciate hearing the explanation of why you choose to use certain techniques.

[@louislarose4023]

Now that I have seen you make this, I have to get out to the shop and try my hand at it. Thanks for detailed instruction !

[@MinionsSmithy]

Aweome process for making a nice, even punch and drift. Thank you, Daniel!

[@RRINTHESHOP]

Very well done enjoyed and learned. Thanks.

[@coffeesstudios2122]

Nice job Dan. Always a very informative video. Finish the hammer I want to watch.

[@danielmoss2089]

Thanks John your ace.

[@expatconn7242]

Good to watch you again dan . Keep up the great work

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank you.

[@dineshvyas]

The best music for this channel Steel on hot steel, filing.... liked and enjoyed.

[@shaggy0917]

Re: 23:55, yes! Definitely want to see the process from head blank to hammer!

[@Hammer757]

definatly

[@shaggy0917]

@@Hammer757 I hope this correction and suggestion isn't taken as anything but a friendly reminder (there are many people whose first language isn't English, on the internet; as someone who does speak English natively and is interested in linguistics, I feel compelled to offer what I can on the chance you don't speak English natively and this wall of text may help): it is spelled Definitely. The way I remember this, and other common misspellings like "ridiculous", is by using the base word. In this case, it is Definite, meaning decided. Since we know the base word is definite, an adjective (describing a noun [definite plans; plans that have been explicitly made]), we can build the adverb (describing a verb [definitely want]) by simply adding -ly to the end. To sum: When you're unfamiliar or uncertain of the spelling, think what the root word is (e.g. ridicule for ridiculous [google it if you need]) and build the word from there. Apologies if this feels negative in any way.

[@Hammer757]

@@shaggy0917 my first and only language is English. I was just supporting your statement, as I want to see the next step as well. I was using my phone when I made the comment and did not catch the mistake. At almost 60, I should know better than to post using my phone but I was bored to death sitting in an airport. No negative vibes taken :)

[@shawnmcintosh1574]

Great video sir.

[@TAS1303]

Man, you just make it look so much fun. Hammer on Mr Moss

[@y-notforge8913]

Great information Dan!! Make that Bad Boi. Straight, Diagonal (Right or Left), Cross it's your privilege. i flat out Enjoy watching your process...!!

[@stuartschuetze3774]

Excellent informative video. Learned a lot of tips

[@ronaldmcallister1966]

Love it brother! Keep up the good work

[@danielsmith2043]

Great video ! I learned a lot from that. Thank you.

[@tonetoner8789]

Quality blacksmithing and a quality tutorial. Well done mate

[@mtyson9004]

Great work and advice! Thanks for sharing and as always God Bless you Dan!

[@traceymoss7550]

great work Dan x

[@drason69]

Those look wonderfully familiar. ⚒️❤️. Nice to see, how something I was able to use, was created. Thanks Daniel, and be well Sir ❤️⚒️😀👍

[@Kristoferskogsberg]

really good! more instructional films! love them.

[@mountainviewturning5319]

Great video lot of tips 👍

[@techronmattic5876]

Good timing Dan, i have a second hammer eye to finish today, might try a little more hammering and less grinding to finish off, good info here, thanks for sharing

[@lukecope4212]

What were the white cubes of stuff used to start your coal forge around 15:30?

[@danielmoss2089]

Paraffin wax or fire lighters

[@joshuadelisle]

Nice video Dan. What electrode did you use on it. 7018? Well done. J

[@tntchitwood]

Thanks for the tips man!

[@grandadz_forge]

Good video!

[@lightprint348]

great vid, how do you correct a off center eye. perhpas thats one of the vids worth making as the beginners are going to stuff up as we learn and the correction is as interesting as the successes :)

[@lenblacksmith8559]

Really enjoyed this Dan, so that forklift tyne is good stuff. And the taper on the drift is a lot longer I see than the punch.

[@CausticPuffin]

I’m making a hammer eye punch from a ball peen. Should the blade of the punch be perpendicular to the direction the handle inserts into the eye? Great job!

[@danielmoss2089]

Personal preference do what ever feels best for you. Hope it works out ok.

[@CausticPuffin]

@@danielmoss2089 Thank you!

[@kevincolwell9575]

question - why not a flat bottomed punch instead of a slit punch? What is the difference in use? Thank you.

[@danielmoss2089]

You could use a flat bottom punch but you gain some benofit form using a blade or sharp slitter. Firstly and most importantly it cuts through the stock quick it also retains more of the stock. (you get a smaller slug.) you can also move the punch in the hole more easily. However there is a good chance you can over heat the tool or damage it easily. Hope that helps.

[@hannemannironworks1651]

Yeah Absolutely informative it was like I was back at Johns place re learning what I learned in September!!!

[@KageStelhman]

Hmmm... I've made a couple of San Mai Knives using 4140 as the cutting edge, and I use it for Axe Bits on occasion, but I didn't know that it could be used for Hot work. seems that I learn something new every day. :)

[@Jinjameson17189]

John Bovee really? How did that work? Surely 4140 doesn’t maintain a suitable edge for long? Never heard of it being used before for edged tools.

[@beardyblacksmith7879]

@@Jinjameson17189 I probably wouldn't use it for a knife but it should be perfectly fine for an axe

[@fernand.g]

Thanks for this amazing video! What kind of steel did you use for this and where do you get your billets from?

[@firebird8600]

I wonder if car axle shaft would work...

[@danielmoss2089]

Just watch out as some drive shafts steels are air hardening. Worth keeping an eye on. You will find the striking end maybe very hard and not good at hitting it.

[@JustinTopp]

I forged mine from 1” round 4140. I punched a hole than drew a taper than drifted the eye. Than I ground the point. Boom. Handled hammer eye punch. I prefer wood handles or metal ones.

[@danielmoss2089]

I have a video of me making a wooden handle one as well this is just a bit easyer for beginners.

[@danielmoss2089]

Plus farrier uses this style a lot. Just a different way to skin the same cat.

[@JustinTopp]

Daniel Moss yep. Great video I just prefer wood handles ones

[@JustinTopp]

Nothing wrong with yours though

[@mikemostad3411]

Thank you Daniel Very informative. I have 1 set of fork lift forks!!!! I want to make my own drift and punch. but i have no power hammers or press yet. Do you know what steel the king pin in a ford front end is. i'm thinking its the same. I have a few of them they are 1in round. If so I could use them. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank you Mike. Worth a try not sure what it is but 4140 is a common engine steel. Give it a go and see.

[@mikemostad3411]

@@danielmoss2089 Thank Dan, I'll try. I started about a year ago mending steel,It's a great hobby. I made my own tourches and forge. I picked up a fairly nice 156# anvil. You are one of the main few I watch and rewatch your videos. Your a very good teacher. I thank you for all you hard work on these videos. I'm sure they take a lot of your time. Happy Holidays !!

[@danielmoss2089]

Engineer steel not engine

[@danielmoss2089]

Thanks for your kind words. They take forever and they have lots of love and hard work in them thank you for noticing.

[@DrumSmithRich]

Are you heat treating the punch/drift prior to use ?

[@HighWealder]

Great videos. I have done a couple of short courses, I find it difficult to use such large hammers, so a bit slow.

[@estebanmasilli8512]

VERY GOOD. A HUG FROM ARGENTINA. When you come we wait for you with a good roast

[@marty01957]

Nice video, Daniel! I have some heavy industrial coil springs, Might they work for this?

[@danielmoss2089]

I think it will. Just make sure the striking end is nice and soft.

[@marty01957]

@@danielmoss2089 Thanks Daniel!

[@thomasarussellsr]

Well done on the video, the work, and the explanation. SUB'd

[@MadebyKourmoulis]

I see everyone does punch then drift. What is the reason for the 2 tools? Seems like you could use the punch as a drift?

[@danielmoss2089]

You sure can. I just find slitting punch work better as a flat profile till they have passed through the the material. If you go from flat to round then it can end up snaging up and dragging the metal through the hole. Hope that makes some sense.

[@danielmoss2089]

I completely did check what video this was befor replying. I have just made a video about hole punching round. You could make your punch and drift one tool but there are a couple of issues. Firstly you would end up with a fat punch which is harder to get through your steel or a very long punch which is harder to hit. On the punching process we want to hit it hard and get it through quickly. Prolonged time in the work damages the punch and makes it harder to get the job done.

[@danielmoss2089]

Secondly the drift is knock out of the eye of the hmer over and over this damages the end of the drift. If you had a small shape point on the end you would find this get damaged really badly really quickly. And you stand the chance of riviting the bloody thing into the eye of the hammer. (been there done that!). However you sure could.

[@MadebyKourmoulis]

@@danielmoss2089 thanks man. Excellent response. Punches and drifts are on this weeks build list.

[@danielmoss2089]

@@MadebyKourmoulis love to know how you get on dude.

[@charminghollowforge1109]

Good info in this one Dan. I will say though use caution swinging those big hammers will wear out your arm least that’s what a fairly well known smith told me once 😉⚒🔥⚒🔥

[@deathspawn54]

Would rebar work for this?

[@deathspawn54]

I can get an abundance of free rebar through work but i dont know what i can use it for, hoping punches, drifts, tongs

[@danielmoss2089]

It might do I've never really used it but it's definitely tough stuff give it ago love to hear how it works.

[@markmoreno7295]

Interesting to hear that both punch and drift should be made in pairs. But what if the punch is a hammer type one instead of the hand held version. Is this still true?

[@bridgetownforge4255]

Nice Vid. However, I’m somewhat puzzled as to the choice of the punch material. Why not use a designated heat-resistant tool steel rather a chunk of a forklift tine? Heat-resistant steel is capable of doing the same job without the need to quench it every other blow, and will last that much longer. I have punches and mandrels I’ve made from such steel 25 years ago, and they are still in constant use with minimal dressing. Those made from simple allow steel such as the tine all wore out and got tossed in the recycle bin years ago. Just my two cents’ worth. Thanks for the Við.

[@mattcoblentz74]

How are you liking that lump coal?

[@danielmoss2089]

Stopped using it as it was causing me some real throat issues.

[@mattcoblentz74]

Yeah me too. I find dousing it and crushing it helps. Also soaking it in water after crushing seams to help too if you turn it into coal at the back of your forge you won't breath it so much

[@mattcoblentz74]

I meant to say come not tUrn it inTo coal

[@cypherian9821]

I do not think I have not learned something watching your videos :}

[@paulorchard7960]

Dan Would a crowbar forge into a good eye punch?

[@danielmoss2089]

It would be a spring steel I think so yes. Might chip quite a bit with mushrooming. (more than a 4140) but would work.

[@ryanburger8001]

Does this need to be quenched?

[@OuroborosArmory]

Nice.. do you prefer metal or wooden handles?

[@danielmoss2089]

Wooden I think but this is just a fast and easy way to make a tool. I've start using metal handle resently and I'm finding the OK. I put rubber pipe on mine and that really helps. But each to there own. How about yourself?

[@bentoombs]

@@danielmoss2089 A rubber guy ahh🤔 lol 😘 I grip everything with tongs

[@dylankirby9359]

Did you harden or temper the punch and or drift?. They look amazing!

[@bentoombs]

On something like that it really doesn't matter because you getting it hot enough to ruin your heat treat anyway. That's why you just keep dunking in water 👍

[@dylankirby9359]

Ben Toombs great thanks. I’m a nooby.

[@bentoombs]

@@dylankirby9359 no worry dude we all are 😁 never be afraid to ask what you don't know. That is what makes you a master

[@danielmoss2089]

I see you have learnt something from me Ben. Lol

[@bentoombs]

@@danielmoss2089 I'll never admit that

[@JackPinesBlacksmithing]

Probably asked and answered too many times but where does one go to obtain forklift tines?

[@steliosm.1755]

Nice

[@waltersmith3377]

I am new to the smith why did you upset the stock instead of just going to the square than to round?

[@danielmoss2089]

There are two reasons. Firstly is that by driving the stock back into its self you create a lot of friction. This friction is where the molecules in the stock are forced against each other. It slightly raises the temp of the material but most of all cause the stock to shunt heat to the very center of the stock. This makes it easyer to Forge. Secondly and there is some controversy about this but it so say improves the steel quality. When you slam the material together hard it cause the volume to decrease whilst the density increases with the mass staying the same. Fun facts. Lol. Hope that helps

[@danielmoss2089]

Ps this is something that can only really be done on big power hammer and drop forges. Also with very big presses.

[@ghmakes7853]

Not planning on making any hammers soon but useful info for general punch making! Love how your idea of "choking up" on the hammer is still a way longer grip than some other YT smiths use to strike powerfully ;) Quick question, what sort of steel do you think those haybob tines are? Got a ruck of them here, sparks like high carbon so just used one to make a twca cam and seems bob on so far, no issues despite quenching it in water!

[@casparstaal5018]

but did you harden it the punch?

[@Heimdall98]

You shouldn't really harden a drift. They need to be made of a heavily durable metal, like O1 or H13 (among others). Because of how often they'll just get so damn hot, a heat treat is pointless. A tough steel, normalised after its made and cooled frequently during its use, will do you perfectly.

[@donstephenson9474]

Christmas is coming but the pudding seems to be an awful mess. Regardless, hope you have a wonderful holiday.

[@videoupload99]

I’d like to see ways of shunting the smoke from the forge out of the shop. Than you.

[@cctvmanbob]

Recently made my own hammer , punch made with D2 and hammer from EN43... It was harder making the punch than the hammer.. D2 V hard to do by hand .. And the hammer was round stock , not square.

[@danielmoss2089]

I might be wrong but D2 and en43 are both high carbon steels. They don't make very good impact tools. They are both knife steels.

[@danielmoss2089]

But the princable are the same for the forging process. I hope the video was some help.

[@cctvmanbob]

@@danielmoss2089 Hi , I am just leaning , the blacksmith supplied the steels , and yes you are correct , however I believe that D2 is not great for Knives as it can be difficult to sharpen ? The D2 has a high chromium content and forging it requires a lower temp than I expected ... I liked the idea of welding a rod / handle to the punch . I had to hold it with tongs ! Thanks for your video's I always learn something.

[@RoscoPColetraneIII]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION: Is it true that you cannot heat 4140 steel into the yellow color range, or you will permanently damage the steel (grain structure enlarges, gets brittle, and can never be hardened)?

[@danielmoss2089]

Short answer that's a load of rubbish.

[@spencerthompson1]

A vote for the Big Boy hammer.

[@bentoombs]

Nice video dude. How close was that to the ones in the class we used? Looks the same.We bent those a bit not bad.🔨on!! PS all the flaws we had were Yamez. Lol

[@danielmoss2089]

Same thing and yes it was all yam daddy's fault.

[@bentoombs]

@@danielmoss2089 👍 you heard it here first 😁

[@CountyLineForge]

The ones at the class had the issue of the handle constantly coming off due to a bunch of noobs miss striking and cutting themselves for a flip...ie. I'm talking to you ben Toombs lmao

[@bentoombs]

That's your story... At least we didn't break our punch. Until the end. Lol

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[@danielmoss2089]

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[@glenndarilek520]

Bending your back over the work causes MY back to hurt!

[@danielmoss2089]

I mostly work on the power hammer nowadays. I only uses the anvil for finishing and making KZbin videos.

[@danielmoss2089]

Also when working with a striker so it's set up a bit low. But I'm OK with it.

[@drevil2783]

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[@1080-v4v]

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