I tried First Class on Finland’s TILTING high-speed train...

[@twosixfour570]

Finnish viewer here: yes it is true these trains are notoriously unreliable in the cold (which is obviously most of the year), it is a surprising flaw to what is normally a comfy, punctual and generally nice mode of transport in Finland! However - as you mentioned - there’s little use for high speed trains here, and to be honest, travelling in this country is hard due to the lack of dual carriageways. So anything will do!

[@synchronos1]

You probably mean double track. A carriageway is a road term, ‘ajorata’.

[@twosixfour570]

@@synchronos1 I was talking about the roads, between Kuopio (where I’m originally from) and Lahti a lot of the road is single carriageway so I prefer to take the train when I can

[@drdewott9154]

@@twosixfour570 Meanwhile in Denmark the governments have spammed highways all over for several years and it is hurting not just the railway ridership, but public transit as a whole, with many towns and villages losing vital bus links, and the remaining transit passengers experiencing crazy ticket price increases. Highways are detrimental to trains and public transit, if Finland builds out highways, I worry that the train service there is gonna get much worse

[@twosixfour570]

@@drdewott9154 I am surprised by that but I’ve not visited Denmark very often so I will take your word for it. In the case of Finland, the country is much larger and sparsely populated. Smaller towns and villages still use the railways since the local bus transit is inefficient anyway. If done correctly people will still use public transport, and don’t forget the northern half of the country has zero public transport, it is necessary to improve road infrastructure in Finland

[@TealJosh]

@@twosixfour570 There is very little benefit for expanding those roads. Basically everything below Oulu works just fine and everything inside Kehä 3 is a nightmare that is impossible to fix. There are two main reasons for this: There are endless examples around the world, expanding roads increases usage and the benefits of expansion are lost. This is called induced demand. Secondly it always harms public transit in a way that causes the trains/buses per day to go down, increasing road usage, reducing public transit, increasing road usage, etc etc. Fun fact, a full bus equals to more than 1km of heavy traffic if it's directly converted into 1 person per car. *Most importantly* maintaining highways is expensive, very expensive. There's a way to make travel easier for everyday people on those single lane per direction highways and also significantly reduce costs. It's by adding another rail track. Basically all electrified tracks should be double tracked. Large amount of the bulk truck traffic could be offloaded from the roads to the trains, significantly reducing the 80kph heavy vehicle and 100kph normal vehicle conflict. The reduced heavy weight traffic on those roads significantly reduces wear requiring less maintenance. Weight has direct causation to road wear.

[@blinder2786]

1:34 Another example of Finnish honesty: ”Yes, there should be an info screen here. But since the past summer was the hottest since 1937, it burned. Here is now a sheet of plywood. Sorry.”

[@Trifeas]

I love this message so much

[@aarepelaa1142]

I think fried is usually the term for electronics breaking.

[@sissichu]

@@aarepelaa1142 Burning is used for monitor panels as well. The image can "burn in" to the screen, making so that the pixels have difficulties or are incapable of changing colors anymore. So you can see a ghost image on the screen. It's possible that this was the case with those screens. But yeah in this case "fried" is most likely more correct.

[@kai325d3]

@@aarepelaa1142 Burned is the correct technical term, fried is the common slang

[@Moonstone-Redux]

And to reinforce that point, the info screens beside them are also looking in pretty bad shape.

[@mushroomcrepes4780]

11:24 Finns are so honest its great!

[@richard-riku]

There is a newspaper in Finland that proudly states on it's front page "the third most widely read newspaper in the country". No newspaper in the UK would ever announce that.

[@pvahanen]

Why should it be any different?

[@mushroomcrepes4780]

@@pvahanen yes

[@xItzSpruce]

I am from Finland. And its true ppl are honest. I am too

[@sampsakurvinen462]

3:03 the Allegro trains are largely based on the Pendolino trains and just few days ago VR announced that they will enter domestic service in 2025. (I'll guess they might just brand them as Pendolino)

[@osasunaitor]

So that's a definitive goodbye to the international trains to Russia then? It's sad to see these historical services go... Although I fully understand the reason of course.

[@toni8003]

@@osasunaitor For now, yes. But of course no-one knows what the future holds. Personally I believe there will be a day these services will resume.

[@pekkajohannesvirkkula7473]

​@@toni8003Hope not! We don't want associate with russians in any case 😮

[@toni8003]

@@pekkajohannesvirkkula7473 To each their own.

[@verttikoo2052]

@@toni8003As long as Putaine is in charge the border will stay closed.

[@pasikallinen]

You don't have to go to the restaurant car to order; The note says you can either send a text message to a certain number the conductor or the restaurant car attendant announces, or you just fill-in the part of the page and give it to the conductor.

[@ptterz]

And after this video was recorded, it has become possible, if you bought your ticket as registered user, you can order your food through the app and have it delivered to your seat.

[@mikoraud]

The most honest announcement in railway history. Cracked me up. But not out of character for Finns. Also, your pronunciation of "Helsingin rautatieasema" wasn't half bad.

[@lassehauerwaas3078]

Slight correction: "Valtion Rautatiet" used to be the name and it was abreviated VR. Now it's just VR. When the organisation was turned into a state owned private company they also "changed" the name. It's VR that stands for VR.

[@Ex0rz]

That announcement of the train being late is so Finnish... :D I can almost imagine Kimi Räikkönen on the mic announcing it.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

😂😂😂

[@perunatovatvitunhyvänmakuisia]

Finnish Viewer here: I very often go with the Pendolino from Tampere To Jämsä, The train has NEVER gotten cancelled, only Once has it been replaced with IC stock, and the biggest delay ive had has been ~10 min. Maybe they were troubled ages ago, but nowadays they rarely have issues. (I do only go on that line where trains only go 120 kmh, maybe ive just had good luck)

[@stigafan]

I've rarely experienced major delays with VR, but three days ago I took a train from Rovaniemi to Helsinki and it ended up being three hours late. Staff told us that an air bag(?) broke in one of the cars and the top speed subsequently had to be lowered to 160km/h.

[@mikkorenvall428]

@@stigafan Air Bag here refers to the suspension of the train, so as suspension is broken...

[@mikkorenvall428]

Pendolinos got much more reliable as they stopped using the tilting mechanism, and therefore also cut down the speed of Pendolino trains.

[@TheLapari]

@@mikkorenvall428 their speed is still 200km/h like it has always been. Only track that supports 220km/h is Helsinki-Lahti. Only their speed in curves is less than before.

[@DieselDSM69]

Hi, you forgot to mention that the VR android app allows you to order food to your seat. I enjoy travelling by train when I'm in Finland. UK rail operators could learn a lot from VR.

[@Itapirkanmaa2]

The normal engine-hauled trains with either the Sr2 or Sr3 achieve 200km/h almost equally well. In some sections they may have to slow down to 160-180km/h for track condition reasons while the Pendolino may continue at a higher speed. On the short new Kerava-Lahti track the Pendolino can run at 220 km/h.

[@6yjjk]

I've been on VR's Pendolinos and they're OK, but honestly, give me an upstairs seat in those double-decker carriages instead. For a small supplement, the top deck of the restaurant car is normally an especially relaxing place to be.

[@brianbee2869]

Upstairs in the restaurant car is very enjoyable.

[@Itapirkanmaa2]

The tilting system has been switched off on all trains for years now. It was last used on the curved Helsinki-Turku track, but now the condition of the track does not even allow the full speed. The selling point of the train originally was the tilting but it never seemed to work reliably and the Finnish tracks in the main are fairly straight.

[@torillatavataans711]

tämähän ei pidä paikkaansa. Kallistushydrauliikkaa on uusittu, mutta vasta muutamaan yksikköön. Siksi kallistusominaisuus on käytössä vain näissä yksiköissä.

[@fsvideotfin2084]

@@torillatavataans711 Tämä video on niin vanha että silloin se taisi olla käytössä vielä kaikissa yksiköissä. Sen jälkeen kallistus poistettiin kokonaan käytöstä kaikista yksiköistä. Hyvä juttu jos nyt ovat uusimassa sen kaikkiin yksiköihin.

[@torillatavataans711]

@@fsvideotfin2084 eihän tämä ole kuin reilun kuukauden vanha?

[@fsvideotfin2084]

@@torillatavataans711 Jos selailet kommentteja pidemmälle niin löytyy videon kuvaajan vastaus. Video on kuvattu loppuvuodesta 2021. Silloin esimerkiksi Helsingistä pääsi suoraan Turun päärautatieasemalle eikä matka päättynyt Kupittaalle kuten tällä hetkellä.

[@RailcamFinland]

@@torillatavataans711 Uusittu kaiketi vain yhteen yksikköön ja VR:llä päätettiin, että tekniikkaa ei enää uusita. Niinpä kallistusta ei enää käytetä Pendolinoissa Suomessa. Jää vielä nähtäväksi, onko Sm6-junissa tulevaisuudessa kallistus käytössä vai ei.

[@ptterz]

You may need to schedule another trip to Helsinki in 2025 when those Allegro trains after some rebranding and refurbishing will continue their service in domestic traffic. I am very interested to try those out as they look sleek inside out. :P

[@verttikoo2052]

These are so embarrassing trains 😱 Constant problems. The top speed 220 km/h. The new engines for the “ordinary” trains had top speed of 230km/h. VR painted the top speed on the engine and after they started to get too many questions they redid the paint job and suddenly the top speed went down from the 230 to 220 km/h. Ordinary trains could not be faster than “high speed flagship” train. (Ordinary trains don’t go over the 160 km/h because the cars have that speed limit, but the engine could pull 230 km/h)

[@patrikholm1501]

Double decker IC trains run at 200 km/h

[@verttikoo2052]

@@patrikholm1501 Engine could do 230.

[@fabbe8223]

About the toilet, we actually have a saying in Finland that goes "toimii kun junan vessa" roughly translating to "works like a train toilet" 😂😂

[@vininfar]

If I am not wrong, the train should terminate at Kupitta due to an ongoing track work. How did you get to Turku?

[@SuperalbsTravels]

You are right, but this video was filmed in 2021.

[@Croz89]

@@SuperalbsTravels Ah... the prevalence of face masks makes more sense now. Though it did look like it was either unenforced or voluntary.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

It was voluntary, so many of us didn't bother! 😁

[@Esperpritzie]

As a Finnish rail enthusiast, I can tell you that the pendolino goes all the way to Oulu. I highly recommend you go further north to rovaniemi or kolari with a overnight train.

[@hoggravyandchitlins]

I took the train from Helsinki to Kemi then a bus (2 buses actually) to Luleå, Sweden and another overnight train to Stockholm. Next time I'm in that area, for sure want to go to Rovaniemi, for whatever reason at the time it was off my radar, but now am fascinated by the place.

[@CaptainBuzzBee]

The time difference between the Pendelino and the intercoty is not very much between Tampere and Helsinki. The upstairs window seat in the dining car on the Intercity is very pleasant. Next trip to Finland I will taking the overnight train to Oulu.

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

Thank you for your video! People of Turku will especially like you calling it "a major city". :)

[@Valttu-fs7tl]

I love that "When it works" :DDD

[@sergioseisemeia]

We have the same trains running in Portugal (alfa-pendular) and they are really similar. Only the shutters are operated by 2 toggle switches.

[@osasunaitor]

The Alfa Pendular will be amazing trains once the high speed railway from Lisbon to Porto is finally completed!

[@Daydream_Dynamo]

9:29 that's quite weird name for tea for English speaker

[@6yjjk]

Old Norse "puss", whence "purse". Finns just love borrowing words and putting "i" on the end.

[@osasunaitor]

​@@6yjjktrue, "pose" still means bag in Norwegian nowadays

[@MLX1401]

There's also the classic "Megapussi" salted chips 🤪

[@czechmatebro]

We have the same trains in Czechia, you just get 2+1 seating also in 2nd class

[@saya-mi]

Yeah, and we also had many problems with them (and not only in winter) 😆 though I think they're still the most comfortable trains here, esp. because of the 2+1 seating in 2nd class

[@felicytatomaszewska]

Exterior : horrible, Interior: adorable

[@annaharjuvaara130]

just a note on the track gauge: finnish and russian gauge are close enough (basically within the tolerances) that russian stock can run on finnish track and finnish stock can run on russian track. the only problems with this is that there are some rare examples of finnish freight cars (probably on the wider end of the tolerance) getting stuck on some russian yards that have some stretch of track with the width in the narrower end of the tolerance. the allegro is designed for 1522 mm to avoid this rare happening. the bigger thing with allegro is that it has two electrical systems on it, allowing it to run on the vastly different electrification systems (25kVAC vs 3kVDC) so unlike the loco-hauled services that need to change the loco on the border, the allegro can just drive without stopping on the border, coasting with both pantographs down in the section between the OLEs.

[@qjtvaddict]

Excellent

[@teme82]

Correction those trains have the tilting disabled cause it wont work as planned in here

[@osasunaitor]

I think this is the case in other countries too. The tilting technology proved more complex than anticipated

[@saya-mi]

@@osasunaitor the tilting works in Czechia, but we too had many problems with these trains when we bought them

[@MLX1401]

Love the sunset shots at the end 😊 And thanks for documenting the hilarious display-plyboard at the Helsinki main station, god tier dry humour at 1:35 😂

[@sjokomelk]

I laughed out loud at that one. "There should have been a departure board here, but it caught on fire this summer. So here is a sheet of plywood instead" 🤣🤣

[@MLX1401]

@@sjokomelk Yupp...thx for adding a translation for all international viewers 😁

[@per-olamjomark7452]

Thanks for posting. I have traveled in Ekstra Class on both the Pendolino and double-decker trains when visiting Finland, and I must say that I probably prefer the latter. The double deckers felt nicer somehow, can't put my finger on why. It was probably the layout. In general it is a delight to travel with VR. That there might be a small "hiccup" from time to time when you travel is something that I can live with. After all, I am Swedish and used to how SJ and the Swedish Transport Administration mistreat train travel in my home country.

[@MajorLazer182]

interesting! Could you tell more about how SJ and the Transport Administration is mistreating train travel in Sweden? I havent heard of these problems yet

[@ptterz]

Layout but also the lighting makes it much nicer.

[@richard-riku]

the two floor trains are much nicer now they replaced the extra class seats with big seats in 2+1 layout instead of just fitting the same 2+2 seats as standard class but with slightly more legroom and then invisibly branding them as 2+1 with one seat left unsold (not that anything inside the train told you which was the "2" side and which was the "1" side). A rough deal for those who didn't know what was going on.@@ptterz

[@Brickblock1wastaken]

​@@MajorLazer182 I would say that sj is doing their best to provide service, but their tickets can be quite expensive. And I don't think that Trafikverket does a terrible job but they do cause most delays iirc. I think they just need more funding to upgrade our network. Then there is also the people who blame sj when riding on a train which isn't even operated by them😂

[@olasola1013]

@@Brickblock1wastakenThat last part is very true. I know someone who refuses to travel with SJ whenever we’re/they’re travelling to one of the ends of the route that the SJ trains here operate on, due to the regional trains not even operated by SJ being delayed by trackwork that ended over a year ago.

[@AddDoesStuff]

This looks like late 2020, as the turku-kupittaa station has been in renovation for quite some time now

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Late 2021. :)

[@richard-riku]

There are plans to build a new line helsinki-turku called the "one hour train" (tunninjuna) that will take a much more direct route. This will cut the journey time helsinki-turku to 78 mins. There is some marketing sleight of hand used to create the name "one hour track" when the journey time is well over one hour!!

[@1SuperLaku]

VR just recently announced that they will be introducing the Allegro trainsets on domestic routes in 2025

[@rFey]

As a finnish person I don't understand how you can stand alone on the platforms recording the trains going by, I would feel so awkward seeing people inside the trains stare at me haha I have way too many hours on these trains, as my military service involved a 400km train ride everytime I went home for weekends and when I returned to the military base. Atleast I didn't have to pay a cent for my triple digits worth of train rides because it's free for conscripts lol

[@Junakuvailut_fin]

11:24 so honest it made me laugh but anyhow I recommend you going with the pendolino the 8h way to oulu😎

[@yugomonke1]

finland has to take notes from norway

[@unknownperson3691]

Including the lack of speed?

[@domin727]

What do you expect? Their network was just buildt quite a while ago so it wont be capable of such high speeds. ​@@unknownperson3691

[@DroopyPenguin95]

@@unknownperson3691 the lack of speed is not caused by the trains, but the endless curving of the tracks. The EL18 trains running on Bergensbanen works good at a maximum of 160 kph, the Type 73 had some troubles in the beginning but is now running at 210 kph. The Stadler Flirts have worked great as well, being capable of 250 kph. The new Airport express Type 78 is a version of the CAF Oaris, being capable of 350 kph. The national speed limit is 210 though...

[@ungh8365]

2:44 Four railway lines with 13 different services

[@yaboiraza8660]

Day ♾ of asking to go on mtr express Stockholm-Gothenburg

[@Eeroke]

Turku is even more basic now because the trains only go as far as Kupittaa stop due to bridge replacement works.

[@lisaanimi]

10:00 There's instructions how to order the food online but it is not translated in that sheet for some reason

[@williamkettle8666]

Been to Finland very impressive rail system . Pendolinos seemed to be working well ,on time and kept in good condition like the rest of its trains very efficient system . Don’t have a problem with the design it’s a matter of personal opinion.

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

The original Russian track gauge is 1524mm wide which was used in most/all of the Russosphere but at some point in Soviet Times (I think it was 1950s-1960s), the communists reduced track width by 4mm to 1520mm across their union but clearly Finland did not convert down to the new track width!

[@hardly.rivai_YT]

Finland's railway network is surprisingly affordable despite everything else being expensive. They're also very equipped to cope with the harsh winter conditions, especially with these loco-hauled double-deck electric rakes. That said, the Pendolino is still an important train for Finland's rail system, even though if it is not really reliable (though more reliable than the FAILED Danish IC4s!). The Pendolino looks quite modern for a train built in the 1990s and is comfortable for longer journeys. To be fair, the high speed of the Pendolino is not as necessary on this route, which could have been operated by any train on the VR fleet. Overkill? *EDIT:* _Last comment before leaving to try Indonesia's new Whoosh bullet train (if I can). Be right back!_ 🤗

[@klapiroska4714]

In theory, if the tilting system worked, Pendolinos could travel at higher speeds through the many corners on Helsinki-Turku line without having to do major modifications to the track. This was one key reason why VR bought Pendolino trains. However as the tilting system didn't work as intended (it's now been disabled from all trains) and the track couldn't handle higher speeds (some corners have been strengthened), the only reason to use Pendolinos is that they exist, they are probably serviced in Helsinki, and they are less suitable for many other routes (fewer seats, limited accessability, no storage for bikes or skis etc.).

[@stasacab]

Pendolinos are a true failure and tilting is not the only problem. It cannot transport even a single bicycle. I don't know what bribery was behind to get those to run in Finnish railways. I almost never use them, starting with the obvious reason that I am almost always traveling with a bicycle.

[@Somppelix]

But the thing is that they dont tilt anymore

[@winnied87]

Finland has the best trains in the Nordic region as far as I can notice so far.

[@Aoi_mm2]

pendoline hiton hyvä musa suosittelen

[@captainminecraft631]

Do one on Snälltåget Malmo to Innsbruck, the longest train service in all of Europe!

[@lightoffreedomdarknessoffu2140]

How many cars are on this train?

[@captainminecraft631]

Depends on the context.@@lightoffreedomdarknessoffu2140

[@scottishtrainspotter7209]

Might be looking into visiting Finland next winter, like the idea of trying out the sleeper train that goes from Helsinki to Lapland. Does look magical all in winter.

[@losarex]

don't there's nothing really to do here and there's no unique dishes

[@amanwithaplaninavan]

@losarex that's a dream for some of us 😍

[@isb6.759]

id highly reconmend it

[@losarex]

@@isb6.759 id highly not recommend it

[@sissichu]

@@losarex I dunno what your problem is but there's poron käristys (reindeer stew) karjalanpiirakka (karelian pie) and finnish salmon soup is world famous. As well as finnish cinnamon rolls (korvapuusti). Plus it would be really odd to base your travel destinations only if they have unique dishes. By that logic many countries would be disqualified as well.

[@juliuseskola1281]

Fun sight at the departure board: ”Sorry, there’s supposed to be departure board here, but we had the hottest summer since 1937, and it decided to boil itself. For now, there’s only a sheet of plywood. We apologize the inconvenience.”

[@oskar6747]

13:00 Wow. I have never gotten any acceptable speeds in trains. Neither wifi or 3g/4g/5g never works. That's the third reason I don't use them. In local trains 5g works without any issues. And also in a car internet just works. And in the metro. Only VR can make trains without working internet.

[@jounilojander8821]

This winter bigest delay was from Lapland to Helsinki about 5 hours! Reason was cold weather over - 30 Celcius degrees! And why it was so much late pipes frosed so no toilets! So train must stop nearest still operating station! If you have money and wanting exotic home you can buy own station! Problem is trains won't stop where! Even Turku they have plans to make new public transport station! But Who knows when they start building it! Idea is good all trais and busses you find same place!

[@jorza4740]

Has had Maaany exciting adventures with pendolinos during the past decades. Doors and brakes frozen, toilets out of use, pendos cars couldnt be paired to other pendo, sudden total electric blackouts and total emergency stops, sudden emergency brakings, outwalking out of train with pulling all the luggages on the rails in snow weather together with hundreds other passengers to the awaiting emergency transport busses... otherwise the trains have been ok😅

[@erviplayer]

the normal wifi will not work it just wont barely can send messages but the extra wifi feels very good was able to watch 1080p youtube for a big part o the journey from tampere to jyväskylä

[@timo3529]

In terms of value travelling on intercity trains is better similar comfort and speed on most routes. Usually a 10% cheaper than tickets on Pendolino trains

[@jamesau4296]

8:41, it was the same case for the Oslo Stockholm service where most of the routes are single-tracked with speeds only up to 130 km/h despite being run by SJ3000, that's why it takes 6-7 hours.

[@aaleh_04]

They don't tilt anymore though...

[@tomofasia]

I think the ”trains are often late in Finland” is overhyped as it almost never happens for me but we just never try to hide it when it happens. Those Pendolino trains were a stain for the VR’s reputation some years ago especially during very low temperatures but even those problems are mostly fixed nowadays.

[@agripal2716]

Very good effort on the pronunciation of the helsinki central train station, the vowels were a tiny bit off but the rest sounded much better than anything I ever heard from someone that didnt grow up with the language/studied it for a some time! Thanks for the review. :) The high price is for meals/drinks at the station is unfortunately pretty usual for finnish standarts.

[@Slindi81]

I boycott VR. Trains are great but too often there are delays. And you won't get your money refunded, even if you miss your connection. Or if the train is late and you miss your appointment. Even if you don't use your ticket, there's no refunding unless you paid extra fee for a chance to return your ticket if you did not use it. It's just not worth the risk. During the winter it's too cold and the trains break, in the summer it's too hot, during the autumn there's leafs on the tracks and of course there is repair work all around the year. I'd rather take the cheapest buss, there's no room for your legs, it's hot and it takes longer but at least you get where you're going, on schedule.

[@drevorubec3762]

Are you going to try new Czech Railways ComfortJet, that will be launched in first quarter of 2024?

[@verovapaahippi]

10:00, in the info it says you can send them a text message and they will bring you the food to your own seat. So you don't have to go to the restaurant car if you want to order 👍

[@markkujanhunen2337]

That's what you get if you buy something that's made in Italy.

[@MentalEdge]

10:00 The instructions are in finnish, but the rear side of the menu explains how to order food to your seat by sending an SMS.

[@irou95]

This video is old af because the Turku main station has been closed for a while and you have to stop at Kupittaa. (it reopens in few years.. maybe)

[@vilzu4589]

9:29 "pussitee"😂

[@pieshorts6947]

The worst thing about these trains are in the summer when the ac doesn't work and the entire train becomes an oven 😂

[@tk-dc8tj]

Next try to buy train ticket for the next day and realize that the prize will not be reasonable even though the train isn't even that full.

[@Aoi_mm2]

hmm I can just say that 29,90euros is not even that much in Finland

[@AddictedToCOTW]

to be honest late winter is the worst time in winter it looks beautiful but all the slush and water on the ground is soo annoying ive been living in finland for 8 years now and it always annoys me soo much

[@madmax404]

7:45 These things. WHY. I've put my bottle there a few times and every time it has fallen off the open bottom. I do love riding VR though as they're very comfortable. Though it isn't price competitive when it comes to buses. ~50€ to go to Helsinki and back from Turku, which is somewhat usual for work and such. Bus can be half the price. Also note that the restaurant car has prices inflated, those prices aren't normal for Finland. But you CAN order to your seat since the covid happenings.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

It is annoying ahaha 😂

[@ugislayer6793]

The pendolino is little bit of an scam because it cost extra but is basicly as fast as the normal train and pendolino has less services

[@RailcamFinland]

The Pendolino fleet is down to 15 units by the way. Two prototype units and one unit after collision in Tampere have been removed from service.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Oh, that's a shame! :(

[@oe9907]

2:44 there are 13 different commuter lines in Helsinki, not 4

[@Zetaretiiculi]

those food prices are absolutely disgusting

In my experience the issues with Pendolino were mostly ~15 years ago. Nowadays they don't have issues often.

[@konemieskou]

Kallistuksen ongelmat ratkaistiinkin poistamalla koko kallistusjärjestelmä käytöstä kesällä 2021.

[@VaakunNakki]

Italian stuff just doesnt work here. That is the fact.

[@lkrnpk]

''Our route takes us to Turku'' Swede ''Ah Åbo''

[@TRANSPORTEXCELLENCE2011]

Nice!😊

[@mikrosixtysix]

Finnish high speed trains: average speed 90kmh

[@mainiotaainetta]

These are very harsh riding and claustofobia inducing . IC trains are much better.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

I think I prefer the IC too!

[@Pepijntrein]

When are you going to travel on a belgian train?

[@blastersus2198]

Wow so interesting!

[@Andrewjg_89]

Wow a Pendolino tilting train in Finland. Looks lot different from the other Pendolinos including the Avanti West Coast Class 390. Finland is an incredible country and has spectacular views of mountains.

[@sonjamikaela1277]

we dont have real mountains

[@gab_v250]

It's based on the 2nd gen of italian Pendolino. This because the Pendolino was originally planned by Fiat Ferroviaria, but in 2000 it was bought by Alstom, who exports the Pendolino type in Europe (including the New Pendolino and the UK class 395)

[@katjasaha8396]

we do not have mountains, wrong country, you thought of Norway perhaps :D

[@oulalintula210]

We only have one municipality with altitudes exceeding 1 km, but that municipality doesn't have railways...

[@evangelosraptis5486]

As soon as I read "Pendolino" I knew it was not going to be good lol

[@momo1435]

Something to think about: 2:18 "With the country having a large fleet of modern electric locomotives" -> video shows a couple Sr2 locomotives, which design is already 30+ years old. In the early 1990s nobody would have called any locomotive from the mid to late 1950s modern. Did the technological development of locomotives slow down, or is it just not as visible anymore?

[@avgeekinfotainment7776]

It indeed seems that developement has slowed down. Locomotives that are built today basically use the same technology as the ones developed in the late 1980. An Sr2 (or the swiss version Re460) are just a few single digit percents less efficient than a new Siemens Vectron. In fact SBB recently upgraded theirs from GTO to IGBT converters and now are absolutely on par with todays locos. Plus being more pleasant to the infrastructure, compared to a Vectron who recently gained a reputation as a notorious "track killer"... But that seems to be the case in any tech that matures. Look at airplanes: we fly the same Airbus A320's for 36 years now. Count another 36 years back from 1987 and you wouldn't find a single passenger jet in service at all...

[@jattikuukunen]

Modernism was prevalent in the early 20th century, so maybe 'modern' meant that they are old :P

[@riku3716]

About the reliability. A Swedish person once summarized Finnish and Swedish people are punctual but trains (Pendolino) are Italian. :D

[@darkknight8139]

These trains look very nice, it must have been a pleasant journey. First class is really a first class experience. I once travelled from Oulu to Kemi by one of those massive double decker trains, they are incredibly comfortable and efficient. And not too expensive. Here in The Netherlands, the same distance you travelled would cost around 50 euros in first class, without any catering service. Let alone free coffee or water. A small note on the Swedish language, you say that 5% of Finns speak Swedish, but that is really concentrated around the Turku area. Helsinki is only bilingual because Swedish is an official language, but not because half of Helsinkians prefer or even speak Swedish. Don't expect Swedish on signs anywhere north of Tampere, and expect the Inari language appearing as a second language on signs around Rovaniemi and anywhere north of that.

[@setaseepra]

Absolutely true what you say about northern Finland, but the coastal region around Helsinki is actually traditionally bilingual too. Helsinki and other municipalities of the capital region are the exception with much lower percentage of Swedish speakers than in the surrounding coastal region, such as in Porvoo or Raasepori. The southern Swedish speaking areas stretch from Åland through the Turku archipelago to the eastern side of the Uusimaa region, way past Helsinki. Another Swedish speaking region further north is on the western coast around Vaasa and Kokkola.

[@TommiJKeranen]

I think nearly all train stations in Finland have signs in Finnish, Swedish and English. But yeah, outside of the coastal regions of Uusimaa, Southwest Finland and Ostrobothnia Swedish isn’t spoken much. Even in the city of Tampere, which has the second largest metro population in Finland, the trams only have announcements in Finnish and very rarely in English.

[@Itapirkanmaa2]

I try to avoid Pendolinos myself. The IC trains are just as fast but the ride is bearable. On the Swedish-speakers: there are three main areas: the Ostrobothnian coast along the cities of Kaskinen-Vaasa-Kokkola, in Helsinki and the coastline to the east into Loviisa, and then in the Tammisaari-Turku.Naantali coastline, and most of the islands towards Åland, which is officially monolingual.

[@oskar6747]

​@@Itapirkanmaa2ride is only bearable for a maximum of one hour. After that I'm crying from back pain. Maybe it's little better on the second floor of the restaurant car.

[@oskar6747]

And I'm not saying Pendolino is any better. It's just as bad.

[@jasperjenkin6645]

nice journey, when west of wales line??

[@ismolaitela6219]

In theory this is not a high speed train. This train runs only 160km/h Helsinki-Turku, full speed only Helsinki-Joensuu 220km/h, others 200km/h

[@RobloxtimeTime]

It saunds wierd when you say somthing in finish

[@Ultraluka13]

8:31 ur at kirkkonummi cuz i live there

[@oskar6747]

11:40 And this is the other reason why I don't use trains in Finland. Helsinki - Karjaa is a 60 min drive and it should be 75 min by metro and train, but add that 30 min delay and you have to wait another 30 min for your connecting train from Karjaa to Tammisaari or other people have to wait 30 min at Karjaa waiting for the delayed Pendolino. And Karjaa - Tammisaari is only 15 min drive, so now suddenly a 75 min trip takes 135 min and a 15 min trip takes 45 minutes.

[@saaraa7876]

The seats recline like that because for whatever reason, even though Finland is quite large, none of our transport is made for comfort. The long-distance buses are terrible and the only trains that are comfortable for a longer journey are the Lapland trains that have cabins with beds. I used to live and travel a lot in South America and the buses are from a different universe than the crappy Finnish ones, though granted they’re very slow (not many trains in S. America unfortunately.)

[@finn3721]

I really like the stroller-compartment of the train :D Havent seen that before. Finnish trains (also considering the price) really are what makes the train a mode of mass transport :)

[@bfg_pz2213]

The prices are quite high to be honest. A car is often cheaper

[@jarivuorinen3878]

@@bfg_pz2213 Trains in Finland connect cities together, and bigger cities especially in Southern Finland have less people driving overall. For example in Helsinki there are about 250 000 registrated vehicles in traffic use, but more than half a million residents, and this includes all registrations and not just private passenger cars. Renting a car is often more expensive than taking a train journey. Thus the price seems high, but is actually competitive.

[@mikkolukas]

You switch between pronouncing it helSINki and HELsinki, the latter is the correct one.

[@Sayitlikitiz101]

I think you are using high-speed very loosely here. Even at its fastest this is a higher-speed train not HS, that needs its dedicated infrastructure. But then again, Finland doesn't actually need a HS service, with 5M people it would be crazy!

[@yeahnoway111]

VR is just VR, not Valtion Rautatiet since like 1990's, Also you can order food from the app or from a conductor if you see one.

[@t4kku303]

VR used to be an abbreviation of "Valtion Rautatiet", back when it truly was a state service. But in the 90's the railway services were privitized and the name was changed to just VR. Also, pendolino tilting systems have been permanently deactivated a few years back, because they caused so much trouble.

[@mrmouse5557]

As a finn it always sounds so weird how Americans say names of like citys or something in Finland.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

???

[@dali9160]

To know nicknames of trains before buying would help for decision: Pannolino insteasd of Pendolino...

[@baassbooster]

SŽ series 310 Pendolino. Slovenian Railways never had problem with them since year 2000

[@saya-mi]

ČD class 680 - many, many problems at the beginning