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@barebonesmc
@barebonesmc Жыл бұрын
Scott Flying Squirrel, derived from the 1908 squirrel, 700cc water cooled 2 stroke by 1926 it did 85mph as standard and would reach well over 100mph if tuned, first telescopic forks ever used and plenty of other industry firsts 🙂
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Yes I know Scott motorcycles led the world especially in those very early years.
@UguysRnuts
@UguysRnuts Жыл бұрын
I rode a 1926 Flying Squirrel in a movie stunt in the 1980's and was very impressed. The owner was a Lancaster bomber Flight Engineer who kept it in prime running condition. Riding in a muddy rutted track, the low centre of gravity provided excellent handling and the powerful engine produced very tractable horsepower compared to the high revving Japanese 2strokes.
@jarnosaarinen4583
@jarnosaarinen4583 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the 1934 Fisker Nielsen Nimbus is the First Motorcycle to have Telescopic Forks! The Flying Squirrel didn't have Telescopic Forks, was a Grider set up with Internal Spring on the Lower Leg!
@barebonesmc
@barebonesmc Жыл бұрын
@@jarnosaarinen4583 The Nimbus was the first hydraulically damped telescopic. the early Scott had non damped telescopic forks, but dropped the design and went back to girder forks afterwards, so we are both right in different ways 🙂
@garneauweld1100
@garneauweld1100 Жыл бұрын
The Squirrel has always been my favorite since I attended a vintage weekend at Donington Park in the early 80's. Yamaha stole the concept for the RD.
@jrsforest187
@jrsforest187 Жыл бұрын
What adds a lot to those older bikes is that they were built way before most roads and highways were paved. 100 mph hardtails ridden on gravel roads.
@kimfielding8010
@kimfielding8010 Жыл бұрын
Yeee Haaaah!!!!!
@timcarter7616
@timcarter7616 Жыл бұрын
For several years in the late 1960s, the not - even- mentioned Harley Sportster was the fastest production motorcycle in the world capable of 127 mph. There were local grudge races between hotrodded Sportsters and 427 Corvettes every weekend at our race way. A Sportster held the (naked bike) land speed record (200 mph) for many years. The Sportster was produced, uninterrupted, from 1958 to 2022, also a record.
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles Жыл бұрын
Sportys are great.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
You are correct it was I mentioned this in the doco on the big bikes of the 60s. Although some disagreed it is indeed a fact. Sportsters were the bees knees for most of the sixties.
@NedKelly1967
@NedKelly1967 Жыл бұрын
My Grandfather worked at Brough Motorcycles in Nottingham he used to build the wheels 😊
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Don't know what else to say but "Crikey" not many could say such a thing!
@donbrashsux
@donbrashsux Жыл бұрын
Black Shadow gets my vote for 1st place 🏆
@dougoneill7266
@dougoneill7266 Жыл бұрын
Brough Superior SS100 ?
@sallhame
@sallhame Жыл бұрын
The Brough was many years ahead of the Vincent. George Brough was the man, and the SS100 was the bike.
@georgesheffield1580
@georgesheffield1580 Жыл бұрын
Mine too
@chrisjerome1698
@chrisjerome1698 Жыл бұрын
Black Shadow was great but couldn’t keep up with the Black Lightning
@johnmunns5964
@johnmunns5964 Жыл бұрын
I think the Black Shadow is in the elite class as well. Here in Australia it cost as much as two of our brand new Holden cars and also was the price of an average (for the time) home. So definitely out of the average wage guys back then.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Crikey! Thats good to know
@swishswish386
@swishswish386 Жыл бұрын
Man the amount of work / research / effort / detail you put into your vids is outstanding…. Simply brilliant 👍👍👍
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Wow! Thank you so much for saying that mate, you made my day. And yes it does take a lot of time. Cheers buddy
@derekwhyle1884
@derekwhyle1884 Жыл бұрын
I think you had it right with the CB750. Not only was it a groundbreaking design it was available to all at a reasonable price.
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles Жыл бұрын
It was also a reasonable weight. The Z900/1000's up until the 1980 model redesign were overweight.
@drnox8268
@drnox8268 Жыл бұрын
Used CB750 K1 was my first road bike, as soon as I got my P license in 1977. Cost $1000. Loved her and rode her around east coast Aus for 12 years, when I sold her for about the same $, to use a ‘59 Landrover that I’d rebuilt. I still miss the old girl. I wonder how much she’s worth today … thanks for the great info and context.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
You're welcome buddy, thanks for the great feedback.
@returnofthenative
@returnofthenative Жыл бұрын
Did anyone see the owners manual that came with the CB750? I remember cracking up over the Chinglish, & a couple of the warnings are still retained verbatim in my memory, "When encountering the festive dog, say hai, hai, & tootle the horn melodiously"; & who could forget "beware the skid demon".
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Seriously?
@mikeholland1031
@mikeholland1031 Жыл бұрын
Not Chinese though
@frankmarkovcijr5459
@frankmarkovcijr5459 Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe in the owner's manual also said when approaching the policeman slow down and salute him with the greeting hai-hai. And yes beware the skid demon who resides in early made Japanese motorcycle tires.
@yonniboy1
@yonniboy1 Жыл бұрын
Great historical motorcycling video, though I'm surprised that the Ariel square four didn't get a mention but my personal favourite that revolutionised the handling of Japanese bikes with it's monoshock suspension was the Yamaha RD 350LC.
@dufus7396
@dufus7396 Жыл бұрын
My pick of first Suzuki 500 twin 2 stroke..performed and handled..followed by Kawsaki 500 three cyl two stroke.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
you would probably enjoy the channels latest video on 2-strokes make sure to watch it right until the end !
@PhillipMikeHunt
@PhillipMikeHunt Жыл бұрын
The kawasaki has a hinge in the frame. I've got one.
@jimcockburn4652
@jimcockburn4652 Жыл бұрын
The Worlds First Production Superbike was the 1967 Norton Commando 750. The Commando was also Motorcycle News, Motorcycle Of The Year for five consecutive years. It had a production life of ten years with over 55000 units.We all have our own preferences as to what we like, my list would be long and varied.
@andrewallen9993
@andrewallen9993 Жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more.
@kasperkjrsgaard1447
@kasperkjrsgaard1447 Жыл бұрын
And in just about the same ten years Honda made 550.400 CB 750’s. 🤷🏼‍♂️
@rickbonser9923
@rickbonser9923 Жыл бұрын
Wow, you really did your research there, well done. Love the little starting clip from Stone, what a cool movie that was in its day...
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy, i appreciate your positive feedback. Yer Stone is probably a bit lame by todays standards. I spoke with Sandy Harbutt on the phone once. Hes passed on now like many of the others.
@lold6130
@lold6130 Жыл бұрын
The 1984 Kawasaki GPZ900R was a very special bike. Really moved the goalposts for all other bikes to follow.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
It certainly was buddy no doubt about it, I couldn't include them all. Thanks for watching.
@gearhead682010
@gearhead682010 Жыл бұрын
I’ve still got my 1984 GPz 550 with 28,000 original miles. It’s definitely not the GPz 900 but it would definitely open your eyes to small displacement powered bikes
@brantfredrickson4766
@brantfredrickson4766 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your compelling presentation. I've seen a few of these motorcycles in museums and local events. The small descreptive museum plaques don't do justice to these machines. Your full descreptions of these machines, for me, add a great deal of depth. Thank you again, Brant
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@bobquigley1957
@bobquigley1957 Жыл бұрын
Wow!! Not what I'd expected but a great surprise ending. Well done!
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@robert100xx
@robert100xx Жыл бұрын
Modern production line Motorcycle available to the masses HAS to be Honda CB750 four. It came with, as standard, so many modern for the day fittings, was drop dead gorgeous with awesome build quality. It set the bar so high that British motorcycle industry foundered and never caught up. I have one presently.
@UguysRnuts
@UguysRnuts Жыл бұрын
No offence, but I'd never consider the K1 to be "drop dead gorgeous". Well made and nicely finished, she was a bit of a brick.
@cerealtiller
@cerealtiller Жыл бұрын
@@UguysRnuts The Beauty factor of the CB 750 was partly its staggering Reliability compared to any contemporary Bikes.
@UguysRnuts
@UguysRnuts Жыл бұрын
@@cerealtiller Unfortunately, "reliability" has no correlation with aesthetics.
@UguysRnuts
@UguysRnuts Жыл бұрын
Otherwise, I'd still be driving a Jaguar as opposed to a Jetta.
@cerealtiller
@cerealtiller Жыл бұрын
@@UguysRnuts it sure does if appraised by an Engineer
@OneEyedJacker
@OneEyedJacker Жыл бұрын
If you include “doesn’t leak oil” the CB750 wins hands down.
@simonomallon9035
@simonomallon9035 Жыл бұрын
That was a perfect piece of detective work. And the range of bikes is amazing. Thanks heaps. Simon
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Your welcome Simon, thanks heaps for the great feedback!
@Buzzkill-wn7tf
@Buzzkill-wn7tf Жыл бұрын
Great summary. No comment on conclusions since that is largely subjective--think I agree, mostly. All I have to say is I saw a Vincent in a museum when I was a teenager. Absolutely gorgeous bike.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Agree its subjective but i gave it my best shot.
@thejerseyj5479
@thejerseyj5479 Жыл бұрын
Well done and thank you for showing us all these gorgeous motorcycles.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
You're welcome & thank you for the great feedback.
@darrenhill4022
@darrenhill4022 Жыл бұрын
Sound logic and I enjoyed seeing those machines. I've admired all of them at some time or other
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
thanks mate I really enjoyed making this video too!
@glasshopper2010
@glasshopper2010 Жыл бұрын
Really interesting video. Can't fault your reasoning. However the only one the common man can afford to buy now is the CB750. I have one that is a bit rough around the edges but runs well. Worth a mere £4k {UK pounds)
@glasshopper2010
@glasshopper2010 Жыл бұрын
@allanthomas7345 I suppose we all make our choices. There is no such thing as the 'average bloke' Enjoy your Holden. Sounds like we are both able to enjoy life and make choices! Have fun
@joeybobbie1
@joeybobbie1 Жыл бұрын
The Craftsmanship back in those days, for what they had to work with, is incredible. Great Video.👍👍
@kevsfridaynightlive9103
@kevsfridaynightlive9103 Жыл бұрын
Great video but the obvious miss here was the H1 500 in 68 and the H2 750 in 72, both bikes started all of this and should have been included.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Those bikes are included in the channels doco "THE BIG 2-STROKES"
@UguysRnuts
@UguysRnuts Жыл бұрын
I consider the H1 and H2, hands down, the first Stupidbikes with power that far exceeded their handling.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
@@UguysRnuts I shouldn't really comment but I gotta admit your comment did bring a smile to my dial.
@frankmarkovcijr5459
@frankmarkovcijr5459 Жыл бұрын
The brough Superior of the 1930s was a superbike that was affordable to the masses it was the price of to triumph 500 twin motorcycles and just a little bit more expensive than Austin 7 car which was the cheap British car at the time. You can see pictures of old older Rally's where they have brough Superior hooked to a sidecar to carry the wife and children with and you know the owner spent more money than if he had simply bought at Austin 7 car but he wanted a good quality superbike and so he spent the money for the bike and a sidecar is almost as expensive as a motorcycle so that showed he was a dedicated motorcyclist. After the war brough Superior wanted to resume production but as a low-volume manufacturer he was excluded from getting raw materials to build new motorcycles as well as difficulty in buying engines so he decided not to go through with it. Vincent had the same problem even though they made their own engines they had to use recycled aluminum. If you had a brand-new Vincent engine in a crate you would have to totally rebuild it because the aluminum would distort with age the same way some old diecast trains and toys would suffer from zinc pest 🪳. Impurities in the metal would cause warping and disintegration. Just like later on in the post-war era when some toy train manufacturers would try to use regrind plastic for their toy trains and the toy train cars would warp in less than 6 months. These quality issues would not reflect well on their parent companies and some of them like door fan and fan door went out of business. This also gave plastic the reputation as being crap. Virgin plastic is much better. The more you recycle plastic or metal it loses molecular integrity. Like the old saying goes you get what you pay for.
@frankmarkovcijr5459
@frankmarkovcijr5459 Жыл бұрын
Vincent's in the 1950s were sold through Indian dealerships. According to the price list I have they started at $1,400 for a Vincent $1,600 for a black shadow and $1,800 for a black lightning made to order only. These prices for a Vincent outside of the lightning equivalent to a big Indian or Harley-Davidson full dresser motorcycle 🏍️ a GMC pickup truck of the same year was $1,200 so that gives you a perspective on prices, you could buy a good house for $5,000. The average weight for a factory worker was $200 a week . The catalog price for a top-of-the-line Lionel train set including accessories track the whole nine yards was $79 and let's not forget everything in the Lionel train set with american-made including the box. The dollars you made back then had more buying power because they weren't pissed away financing the welfare/warfare state that we have had for over 60 years which is why a dollar is now worth a nickel.
@thejerseyj5479
@thejerseyj5479 Жыл бұрын
"Welfare/Warfare State". 100% accurate.
@leetownsend46
@leetownsend46 Жыл бұрын
I think on price alone the T120 was the first truly affordable super bike that the average working classes could afford and make their own . It was a game changer.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
For the average bloke with an average income and an affordable bike capable of over 100mph you are probably not far off the mark.
@iancooll12
@iancooll12 Жыл бұрын
Triumph T150 & Rocket 3, which was why they got the styling they did, whatever you think of it.
@mikeholland1031
@mikeholland1031 Жыл бұрын
A Superbike has nothing to do with being affordable
@leetownsend4946
@leetownsend4946 Жыл бұрын
@@mikeholland1031 I didn't say it did . I said in my opinion the first AFFORDABLE was the T120 . Read the comment properly.
@robertnicholson7733
@robertnicholson7733 Жыл бұрын
@@iancooll12 That bloody styling by Ogle, I have no idea what possessed Triumph/BSA, about the only thing Ogle had styled up to that point was the Reliant Robin! Not only was it hideous (leading Triumph/BSA to send kits to the USA to convert the bikes back to traditional) , it delayed the release of the bike by a very crucial 18 months. The engine design had been essentially complete well before even that date. The engine was only supposed to be an interim design to bridge to the all new modular modern engine design. Even so, it was the first production, transverse, multi-cylinder (greater than two) design, of course, someone will probably prove me wrong. The 750 triple was based on the 250 single (bore and stroke) not the 500 twin as many people think. The bike had the performance, the later ones were very beautiful to look at and the sound!!!, but once electric start showed up, macho went out the window. I hate to say it but technical excellence will NOT trump looks when it comes to selling motorcycles, just look at the Vincent Series D Black Prince and Black Knight, technically excellent and much more comfortable due to the fairings, but not pretty, I spent a lot of time looking at the one at the Motorcycle Museum at Nabiac (New South Wales) and could find no angle where it looked good. Nabiac is fantastic, everyone in Oz should spend time there, so many unusual and fascinating machines, including Scotts, amazing how long the fundamentals of the design lasted. One other problem was using one production line to build the two (slightly different) engines, I like both but from a marketing viewpoint and cost saving viewpoint, they should have just made the inclined BSA version. There were ton of other issues, all solvable but unsolved due to crazy management.
@chrismoody1342
@chrismoody1342 Жыл бұрын
It’s an argument that will never be resolved. It’s been a slow evolution from the beginning. Heck in its own way the lowly Honda 305 Superhawk punched well above its displacement and cost. I’ve seen them out run a 650 Triumph. As a owner of a 75’ Z1 I’d like to think it was the first superbike but it’s just not true. I’m just happy to be part of the community since 1965.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
You're 100% correct of course. I tried my best to settle it using accurate data but the argument will go on forever.
@vitabricksnailslime8273
@vitabricksnailslime8273 Жыл бұрын
Well I dunno, but I reckon the Douchenberg doesn't sound too good.
@frankmarkovcijr5459
@frankmarkovcijr5459 Жыл бұрын
When Harley-Davidson came out with the knucklehead they sued crocker and in court the judge looked at the crocker and looked at the knucklehead and told Harley-Davidson that they were lucky that crocker was not suing them. Crocker stopped making motorcycles because of WWII and then never restarted afterwards. I had an uncle who had a crocker overhead valve conversion for his Indian and it was one of the fastest motorcycles in New York City in the 1950s until it got stolen.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Yes grom all reports those crockers were certainly something special in their day!
@bikedude5911
@bikedude5911 Жыл бұрын
Cyclone preceded the Ace, but not sure if it meets your criteria for what would be considered a production MC. Even though it is listed as the fastest bike of its time. I found your video interesting but also wondered about going in time in the other direction. The 1978 Kawasaki Z1R was also special and could be considered the super bike of its time. The 1990 Kawasaki ZX11 and 1999 Hayabusa certainly were as each marked a leap in both technology and speed when compared to other bikes of their era.
@grabir01
@grabir01 Жыл бұрын
Disc brake did not work at all in the wet as I went through a stop light or 2 thinking I had brakes. The rear drum would still work but working alone was not enough. Over 40 mph or more, the front disc would work as the heat would dry it fast. Under 40 and wet, it was not there.
@gustavmeyrink_2.0
@gustavmeyrink_2.0 Жыл бұрын
To put it into perspective: The front brake of the Münch cost more than a CB750 at the time. Making racing brakes was Friedel Münch's main source of income. Some say it was the finest drum brake ever made and practically as good as disc brakes, it was however heavier despite being made from cast magnesium alloy, much more complex and horrendously expensive.
@nicerides9224
@nicerides9224 Жыл бұрын
That Mammoth is a nice looking bike. A bit heavy but I like something a bit quirky.
@aussiesam01
@aussiesam01 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't like to meet your wife in a dark alley!
@LuckyTown77
@LuckyTown77 Жыл бұрын
My first bike is, in my heart, the first superbike. Because it's where i started my journey in bikes and life . 1972 Kawasaki 350 triple.
@carlwalker7560
@carlwalker7560 Жыл бұрын
My favourite is the Suzuki GT380 two stroke triple! Mediocre handling, so-so top speed, but that engine sound was just sublime
@chrispulham4779
@chrispulham4779 4 ай бұрын
That ACE looks BRILLIANT
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe 4 ай бұрын
@@chrispulham4779 it sure does buddy!
@jeroldpickard947
@jeroldpickard947 Жыл бұрын
Had one dad gave it away to one of my buddies when I joined the army ,78 cb 750 currently rolling a 94 cb1000r 😊
@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm
@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm Жыл бұрын
MV AGUSTA ! = beat every thing = early = so your choice was very limited ! = Brough superior = and when do you start - good point of an argument ! = vincent black knight ! ariel square four ! = your choice has RICE ! limited .
@BibtheBoulder
@BibtheBoulder Жыл бұрын
Could you imagine if in 1948 the manufacturer of the Vincent Black Shadow was given a Suzuki Hayabusa to have a blast on......
@Steve-wx9gl
@Steve-wx9gl Жыл бұрын
Could you imagine in 1948 Susuki actually making a motorcycle
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
I reckon they might get a bit of a shock!
@frankmarkovcijr5459
@frankmarkovcijr5459 Жыл бұрын
@@Steve-wx9gl I believe in 1948 Suzuki was making little commuter motorcycles the same way Honda was. I think they won the last Catalina Grand Prix run on the island before the rich people ran the motorcycles off the Island.
@darrylmackie9184
@darrylmackie9184 Жыл бұрын
He would've said NO thanks.
@jamesbach2021
@jamesbach2021 Жыл бұрын
Well done! If I ever hit the lottery I'll buy a Vincent. I've owned a Honda CB 750K and an F model. Great bikes! I'd get another if the right deal came up.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Thank you buddy I appreciate your comment. Safe riding!
@iancooll12
@iancooll12 Жыл бұрын
I had the pleasure of riding a Vincent series C Rapide, when I was a young man looking for my first big Bike, for touring, nobody wanted them back then, He offered it to me for 500pounds sterling, I brought a Honda cb500t and loved it, brand new for 498 pounds, both scared the crap out of me after just passing my test on my Yam DT 175. Ever since I've lusted after one, but my preference in British Bikes is Nortons, that's why I brought the 500t I wanted a Red Norton Interstate but couldn't afford one even used. I have a few now, and I still, love them 50yrs later. I also owned a full-power silver CBX, but just traded it last year, to get my Cb450T/500t Back as I could no longer handle the weight on my legs after breaking my back years ago, I owned the CBX since the 80s, with a jet kit in Bassani 6 into 1, the best the sound and power was incredible, K & N filter etcetera, redid the suspension too, so it was an incredible Bike. I have a VFR with full HRC engine, got lucky years ago and got the parts off an old racer, a really great Bike I unwitingly go faster on that, than anything else I ride. The 16inch front wheel sucks and no matter what you do it will never be right, untill you change it to a 17inch one, as Honda did themselves, very trecherous.Which is exactly how I managed to aford it back in 1989 crashed,the owner lost the front. The Best Honda of the 70's was supposed to be the cb900f when they all came out, in 1978 it was only very slightly slower than a CBX and handled much better, They were both endurance race Bikes at the time and as I remember it the CBX had it, those who could ride them did very well on them, 3 yrs later the cb1100 Bol a Dor was a fantasic bit of kit but a bit dated buy then. I remember well my mates Bottle green 1000 Kawasaki, beautifull Bike an instant classic looks as good today as it did then and it went. Magical times to be a rider, that will never come again, sad! All considered I think the VFR has to take it, with the drone of the Gear driven cams, your Joey on the Island and the first true superbike, once sorted and a genuine 150mph machine like the Vincent, also hand built, Honda lost their shirt on them.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
@@iancooll12 so many great bikes over the years, some great bikes didn't even sell well. Back then you made a bike fit your own riding style, these days it's all done for you. I had a XS 850 which I put a full race fairing on, god I loved that bike even though it wasn't that good really LOL.
@frankmarkovcijr5459
@frankmarkovcijr5459 Жыл бұрын
I remember and cycle magazine a reader pen a limerick about the Munch mammoth 🦣 of displacement the mammoth was munch the view from the seat was Teutonic Lee neat but a Kawasaki Z1 would eat it for lunch. I think I remembered it almost correctly
@llamamanism
@llamamanism Жыл бұрын
Very well thought out and produced, some of the engine sounds don’t quite sound right but on the whole an excellent video
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
The sounds are the correct bikes its hard to get anywhere near the real sounds due to the lack of bass on tv's & the like.
@frankmarkovcijr5459
@frankmarkovcijr5459 Жыл бұрын
If it was not for the triumph Trident in the 1960s we would not have the CB750 and we would not have the z900 that followed it. Honda biggest bike was there cp450 which did not sell too well. Their best-selling motorcycle was there cb350 twin which outsole c450 at 6 to 1. Honda did not think their customers really wanted a huge bike like the 750 4-cylinder which is why the first batch had sand-cast cylinders because they did not want to spend the money for die casting. Honda was going to make a 750 twin until the Trident came out in October 1968. Honda told his engineer she wanted to have a 750 4 cylinder motorcycle 🏍️ to upstage son Trident and he wanted it ready by the Tokyo show. The prototype Honda 750 had a drum brake on the front which was later changed to a disc brake. When the 750 proved to be a great seller it surprised the hell out of Honda. They got a sweetheart deal from the Japanese government to build a new factory that put out a brand new Honda 750 four cylinder motorcycle every 3 minutes.he wanted the bike to be as cheap as a triumph Bonneville undercutting the Trident but even with all of his cost-cutting measures he was only able to make it at the same price as a triumph trident 🔱. It was not built up to a standard it was built down to a price including not having a chain tensioner on the hive ochain that connected the crankshaft to the transmission something that turned around and bit him in the ass on warranty claims. Primary chain tensioners were included on all later models. When the Honda was shown at the Tokyo show Kawasaki which was making its own 750 change the bike to a 900. The Kawasaki had a better stronger engine that made more horsepower and could take a lot of abuse which is why it became the go-to engine for drag racing. Honda tried to compete with the horsepower of the kz900 by putting in radical camshaft to increase the horsepower but by 1978 the radical camshaft where mushrooming the valves. That's when they came out with the double overhead cam 4 valve per cylinder 750 in 1979.the reason it had a dry sump with an oil tank was because that was normal for all of the British motorcycles so they wanted to conform to that Norm. With everything moving in bare aluminum without bushes or bearings it became the first disposable motorcycle 🏍️ like Peter Egan of cycle world Fame said it was the first motorcycle he had that it was cheaper to buy a new one then to fix the old one. All of the older motorcycle designs were built to be rebuilt about forever ♾️. Because of the rising value of the yen compared to the dollar they had to cheapen the build of the motorcycles so they would remain affordable. When the cam chain in the engine that drove the valve train would break it would cause catastrophic engine damage that was unfixable and you had to buy another motorcycle 🏍️. All of my Honda motorcycles in spite of regular maintenance died from cam Cain breaking causing catastrophic engine damage. Gear drive is more expensive to build but is much more reliable in the long run as shown by my Harley Davidson Sportster which is 25 years old and has four hundred thousand miles on original engine. It has more miles on it then all of my Honda's put together. A triumph trident 🔱 came with good girling shocks and good Dunlop tires and a good Reynolds chain. It also handled great. The Honda 750 handled like a pig in the corners, text shock absorbers were good for keeping the fender off the tire but not much else, the Japanese tires were considered to be made out of recycled rubber bands and we're horrible in the rain 🌧️.
@propdoctor21564
@propdoctor21564 Жыл бұрын
I have to agree as far as more modern machines go the Honda 750 and Kawasaki 900 started it all...👍 I have owned several of each and really enjoyed them.
@jimclarke1108
@jimclarke1108 Жыл бұрын
CB 750 and Z900, great looking bikes, today
@markmark2080
@markmark2080 Жыл бұрын
You did a decent job on this video, I would suggest that the Norton Commando and the Honda CB750 share the honor as one closed out the "old fashioned" era and the other brought in the modern motorcycle era, both doing it with a BANG and in high style. I preferred the rowdy character of the Norton over the smooth sophistication of the Honda and feel very fortunate to have lived through that entire golden time, having started riding in 1961. Each decade had it's "Superbike", but what is important is what really kicked off the "Modern Superbike Age"...
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Actually mate, I reckon you are 100% right! very good points indeed.
@bottomrung5777
@bottomrung5777 Жыл бұрын
Didn't BSA have a 1200cc bike way back when? A 'V' twin I believe commonly converted/used in a trike form to transport goods.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Yes they did but it didnt have much power it was more of a work horse.
@bottomrung5777
@bottomrung5777 Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe Ues they were apparently used for trike style deliveries for a good many years. I have a feeling that HD alo g with many other early builders copied designs/engineering. V twins have been around a long time and to me, the Brough bike was the gold standard... a V twin also I think.
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles Жыл бұрын
And if you ever saw a Z900 at Bathurst campground doing doughnuts with the exhaust glowing red hot and revved to the max you'll know what reliability is.
@mark64tanner
@mark64tanner Жыл бұрын
Very cool mate, Would have picked the Vincent as the first, off the top of my head but, that last bike is a work of art 👍✌😎 Nice production on the vids too 👍✌😎
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Thanks and yes that Ace looks very nice. The Vincent is one of the most impressive bikes ever made. That fact will never change, cheers!
@trailingarm63
@trailingarm63 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant film and very well-argued. But overall, I still favour the Honda 750 because it was a leap forward in quality, technology & reliability yet still affordable to regular buyers.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Thank you, its a very contraversial subject. I dont think the term superbike was even used before the late 60's or so. But what you mentioned is on the money. I guess it really depends on how the individual looks at it.
@wisecampmotorcycles8258
@wisecampmotorcycles8258 Жыл бұрын
Great video man. I still have 1978 Kawasaki KZ650.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Thanks! The 650 must have a few klms on it by now
@wisecampmotorcycles8258
@wisecampmotorcycles8258 Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe in the 80's and 90's, I owned 2 Z650's, and travelled over 120,000km on each. The one I have now, I brought to re live my youth. 😂
@2ride_along
@2ride_along Жыл бұрын
in fact the last bike is way too beautiful.
@donaldasayers
@donaldasayers Жыл бұрын
The MV Agusta, four cylinders across the frame DOHC, OK so it was mainly a race bike but the public could buy one, it showed the way for the Japanese manufacturers to go. But the Vincent, still the fastest production bike for twenty years after it ceased production. Nothing beats that.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
That is a very good point indeed you made about the Vincent!
@gordonwallin2368
@gordonwallin2368 Жыл бұрын
The Vincent.Or the 750 Honda. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
@jackwood2328
@jackwood2328 Жыл бұрын
Superb research again! I'm a Z900 owner but I still have to let the CB750 be first on the grounds of 4 characteristics of my Z: availability reliability affordability warranty.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
thanks mate, both were/are great motorcycles!
@johnnoonan9982
@johnnoonan9982 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you!
@jeffball6108
@jeffball6108 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion availability and affordability to the general public should be added to the criteria, otherwise it isn't really fair on some of the so called specials that were shown. I would suggest that most if not all of the earlier bikes you classified 'super' would have been way out of reach for the average punter. If that's agreed then the Honda CB750 has to be the winner. I recall in 1970 it was AU$1520, and that was very affordable, in fact one of the reasons the bike was so successful.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Yes of course you are correct, i did mention this in the video. Price of different bikes also depended a lot on which country you lived in as well.
@johnlambert3273
@johnlambert3273 Жыл бұрын
When you declared the 69 Honda 760 the "first modern superbike", do I detect a hint of 2-stroke, (as in the Kawasaki 500) prejudice?
@elmerfudd1086
@elmerfudd1086 Жыл бұрын
There have always been bikes that were a cut above the rest but the first "superbike" has to be the Brough Superior SS100 . It was a collection of the best parts available at the time. It cost a small fortune even when new and was the fastest bike available at the time. What more do we need to determine a first.
@wymple09
@wymple09 Жыл бұрын
Cost
@elmerfudd1086
@elmerfudd1086 Жыл бұрын
@@wymple09 im not sure which cost you are referring to. Todays cost or original cost. Today they sell for north of 450 thousand dollars back in the day you could pic one up for 250 dollars new.That was still a lot of money in the 1920s.
@wymple09
@wymple09 Жыл бұрын
@@elmerfudd1086 His criteria was that it had to be obtainable by the masses. It was not.
@elmerfudd1086
@elmerfudd1086 Жыл бұрын
@@wymple09 fair enough . But how obtainable are the bikes we regard as "superbikes" today? I know of very few who can afford a ducati "R" versin of their panagali or even Kawasakis H2R. Sure there are tamed down versions for the masses but those arent the true superbikes if the manufacture offers an upgraded version. That version is the superbike.
@elmerfudd1086
@elmerfudd1086 Жыл бұрын
@@wymple09 dont get me wrong....i love motorcycles but I dont think any bike is worth 450 thousand dollars.
@darrylmackie9184
@darrylmackie9184 Жыл бұрын
The Norton Commando Fastback DEFINITELY THE FIRST SUPER BIKE. in the modern era.
@Steve-wx9gl
@Steve-wx9gl Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed your video did you check out the Vincent Black lightning 150 mphh
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
thanks and yes although they were made in far less numbers I probably should have at least mentioned it. TBH they didnt even make that many Black Shadows but they must have been attainable a bloke in my area has 4 of them.
@Steve-wx9gl
@Steve-wx9gl Жыл бұрын
Great thanks for your reply
@Steve-wx9gl
@Steve-wx9gl Жыл бұрын
Forgot to mention the Egli-Vincent is manufactured inFrance
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
@@Steve-wx9gl yes your right i probably should have mentioned it ay? Dont think they made many & they were more of a custom bike certainly not mass produced
@Steve-wx9gl
@Steve-wx9gl Жыл бұрын
@Motorcycle Café yes you are correct they are built to order .For me the Vincent Black Shadow is the godfather of all V-Twins and still one of the fastest Any I appreciate your communication
@garneauweld1100
@garneauweld1100 Жыл бұрын
CB 750, KZ900 and KZ1000. I personally preferred the 1000. Some might say the first was the Kawi triple or even the Black Shadow. - The presentation was much more thorough than I had anticipated. The conclusion is rather amusing being a Yankee bike.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
It was a lot different way back. The American bikes pretty much ruled the roost. Its all subjective and depends on how you look at it.
@georgeday5901
@georgeday5901 Жыл бұрын
How fast was bsa's tripleout the crate
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
In period road tests about 120mph BSA claimed more of course
@sefton1972
@sefton1972 Жыл бұрын
“Apart for the gap under the seat!” My sentiments exactly. 😂
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
I am very happy that at least one person in the whole world agrees with me... lol. Great bike otherwise 😉
@sefton1972
@sefton1972 Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe 🤣😂 It would have been a masterpiece with a nice tan sprung single saddle.
@allistairneil8968
@allistairneil8968 Жыл бұрын
That turned out to be a fucking good video! Good on ya, bro'! Funny and kept me guessing. I was thinking the Indian with the Henderson motor but you are spot on. ACE!😅
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
thanks buddy its a pretty subjective thing but I tried my best, cheers!
@debeeriz
@debeeriz Жыл бұрын
brough superior, vincent, and honda k1 my top 3
@flatcapcaferacer
@flatcapcaferacer Жыл бұрын
Obviously the pick of the first Superbike depends on the criteria: top speed, quarter mile, handling or other peperformance characteristics. Growing up and starting to ride in 1969 the most feared bike bike hands down was the Kawasaki Mach III 500. The Honda was a sophisticated and fairly quick. The Norton 750 was quicker than the Honda 750 and a better handler than the Kawasaki 500. In my opinion the Vincent Black Lighting was hands and shoulders better in terms of performance than it peers and held that crown for longer so while maybe not the first Superbike but one that was the king of motorcycles longer.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
You're pretty much on the money with your comment buddy. It is a very controversial subject.
@billmago7991
@billmago7991 Жыл бұрын
The Commando popping mono's....Norton's they didn't make them for everyone
@honahwikeepa2115
@honahwikeepa2115 Жыл бұрын
Cheers brother
@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus
@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus Жыл бұрын
Great progression back through time to arrive at a perfectly rational conclusion! I’d have stopped at the Vincent, but the idea of a superbike is relative to everything else that’s around at a given time, so you did the right thing. My GF’s Kawasaki 650 LAMS would give the fast bikes we rode in the 1970s a pretty good wake-up! Subscribed! 👍🏻
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Thanks! And yes your gf 650 probably would give most 70s bikes a run for their money. This issue will always be subjective, i think some people are a tad biased though. American bikes did rule the roost in those early days, except for the Brough but as I mentioned that wasn't truly a production bike.
@nicerides9224
@nicerides9224 Жыл бұрын
The Vincent Black Shadow might not have been the very first superbike but seeing as it was the fastest production bike for 20 years or so it truly is something special. That Ace in blue though looks fantastic.
@allistairneil8968
@allistairneil8968 Жыл бұрын
I would havs stopped at the Vincent too but stayed to the bitter end!😂
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
@@allistairneil8968 yer well the Vincent was certainly something special thats for sure!
@frankmarkovcijr5459
@frankmarkovcijr5459 Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe the brough superior was most certainly a production motorcycle 🏍️. Granted it was not a mass-produced motorcycle but it was still production and available to customers who were discerning enough to spend more for a rough Superior than to buy a Austin 7 car 🚗 if you compare the price of a Honda 305 compared to a triumph 650 you will find that the Honda is just a little more than half the price of the triumph.
@simonreij6668
@simonreij6668 Жыл бұрын
Nice video mate ty
@robertreasor7522
@robertreasor7522 Жыл бұрын
Kawasaki Z-1 900 is the real first superbike period! I was in the business over 40 years!
@davejohnston5158
@davejohnston5158 Жыл бұрын
Vincent Black Shadow - years ahead of the rest.
@lexluthor6906
@lexluthor6906 Жыл бұрын
the first modern day superbike was the '85 Ninja featuring the first production, wind tunnel tested, full fairing and new radial tyres for motorbikes. i think top speed of 165(?) to this day the spirit of WSBK started there... modified, factory production race bikes.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
The ninja features in other docos on the channel but it wasnt the 1st wind tunnel tested bike with a full fairing the BMW R100 rs fairing was developed in a wind tunnel.
@killacoiler1707
@killacoiler1707 Жыл бұрын
When you consider that the Ace's engine was less than half the displacement of a Model T engine and produced the same peak horsepower and weighed 1/3 the GVW that is pretty insane. Sure it is not overwhelmingly impressive by today's power standards but in 1920 that would be like comparing the power to weight ratio of a ZX14 Kawasaki to a 1994 base model Corvette. What is even funnier about all this is that if we look at displacement numbers of engines in motorcycles we drooled over the power of liter bikes when they came about in the late 70s early 80s from Japanese companies, but here you have an almost 1300cc inline 4 showing dominance in 1920 made by an American manufacturer. Where are the American Superbikes today? The closest thing we've had is the now defunk manufacturer named Motus that utilized a LS based design v4 engine. Sure there was Buell but can you truly call the Lightning powered by a modified Harley Sportster engine a Superbike? The new Hammerhead by Buell using a Rotax V-twin is closer to a Superbike than the Lightning from the mid 2000s. It is a shame that we do not have manufacturers in America that build machines to compete with the likes of Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda, Ducati, Aprilia, BMW, Moto Gusta, or even some of the Korean made bikes like Hyosung's GP/SS style machines. We build classy Cruisers. America needs to build some bikes that can compete with the full fairing race bikes of Europe and Asia.
@billcarne3751
@billcarne3751 Жыл бұрын
The Honda CB 750 was the bike that brought motorcycles into the modern era but having owned three , I can honestly say my Norton Commandos were faster so I struggle to call the Honda a superbike.For me , the world 's 1st true mass production superbike was the Kawasaki Z900 a couple of years later.Its popularity 50 years later is a testament to a truly great superbike.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
The Z1 was certainly a very special bike. Looked fantastic too!
@bepponabuco7389
@bepponabuco7389 Жыл бұрын
Whoa, what an outstanding motorcycle video! Thank you Amigo.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
You're welcome, thank you for the compliment
@TorquilBletchleySmythe
@TorquilBletchleySmythe Жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention the Ducati 750 and 900 SS models. Also the MV Augusta and the Laverda Jota.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
All those bikes came after the CB 750 so there wasnt really much point. All superbikes of course.
@georgeday5901
@georgeday5901 Жыл бұрын
How much hp do you need today to do 120mph
@tomearly2820
@tomearly2820 Жыл бұрын
Wow! Excellent!
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Thank you buddy!!!
@michaeltaylor8835
@michaeltaylor8835 Жыл бұрын
Vincent Kawasaki Z1 and Ducati 888 game changers and Hyabusa and Honda Blackbird
@Demonbfg
@Demonbfg Жыл бұрын
Excellent !
@darryllspalding9680
@darryllspalding9680 Жыл бұрын
well there you go
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Yes, question answered i believe. Thanks for watching
@danweyant4909
@danweyant4909 Жыл бұрын
​@@motorcyclecafe Job jobbed.
@Caligari...
@Caligari... Жыл бұрын
Great Video !
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@iancooll12
@iancooll12 Жыл бұрын
The Term Superbike really referred to a racing class, limited to 750cc, which was a modified production class, very popular in its day, won by the Triumph Trident, Honda 750, and BSA 750/3, then the two strokes took over, the JPN Nortons had success too. Then the Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha strokers took over. When it was restarted, it was the Honda VFR which became the first of the true 750 water cooled, modern superbikes, until Ducati won its exception to the spec capacity limit.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Thats right, its a term that gets thrown around pretty loosely these days. Thanks for watching mate!
@iancooll12
@iancooll12 Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe Thank you, I was really lucky and lived those days, fantastic, everybody blowing each other away, came again for a bit in the '80s, when I was racing thru 84 to 89. One thing that everyone has forgotten was how bad they really handled out of the Box if you tried riding them fast, on the rubber of the day. With a bit of work though they did quite well, but there was a reason for all those frame builders back then.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
@@iancooll12 Yer buddy I know what you're talking about, those Dunstall bikes etc still they were great days. Working on bikes is how you learn stuff these days some blokes can't even install a set of handlebars!
@lauraiss1027
@lauraiss1027 Жыл бұрын
Very informative. I thought Superbike is something far beyond common standard. Like today 200+Hp bike. Your info gives new perspective. Thank you! To be honest reminds me a bit of definition of rock music. Chuck Berry for an example. No offence to Chuck, but it does not sound so rock today.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
@@lauraiss1027 its a bit controversial, the superbike thing. I tried my best to analyze most of the potential bikes. The Ace may have had only 4 more horsepower than the Indian Plus but it was 25% more power, none of the other bikes could claim such a huge increase over their rivals. The Honda CB750 'for instance' did not have 25% more power than 'a BSA Rocket 3. Thanks for watching!
@v8falconute46
@v8falconute46 Жыл бұрын
Good work, thank you. 😎👍
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed watching it.
@erickriebel4366
@erickriebel4366 Жыл бұрын
I think that any man that had a fast bike can callit a Superbike even if it wasn't. You've got to have lightweight maximum overpower and it can't be something that's put on a tractor if it we'll fly it will qualify!
@grahamovenden9007
@grahamovenden9007 Жыл бұрын
I think that it is better to base the list on results . 1970 , the inaugural Castrol 6 hour was won convincingly by a 650 Triumph Bonneville with the Honda somewhere behind it . The only time the Honda won anything was in highly modified form and on an oval at Daytona . The history of the Z9 was very similar with it only coming out from under its little sisters skirts ( the H2 ) was when Kiwi Graham Crosby riding a Moriwaki tuned motor supplied by the Sidney dealer and with a frame made in Gisborne NZ , burst onto the world stage .
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Yes the Bonnies were a great bike, they feature in the channels latest video but the Honda CB750 did win the 6hr the very next year & the Kwaka900 won 4 in a row during the 70s. It's a shame that race stopped but I guess the sportbike era put a stop to it and now we have superbike racing. It was great to watch standard looking bikes racing each other and it was an endurance race testing the machines to the limit. The Bonnie proved it was reliable!
@tomspaur3789
@tomspaur3789 Жыл бұрын
In the good old US of A that would be the Crocker motorcycle of the 1940's
@tannstang
@tannstang Жыл бұрын
My vote goes to the Vincent Black Lightning
@frankmarkovcijr5459
@frankmarkovcijr5459 Жыл бұрын
In 1968 BSA took 4 rocket 3 assembled from the crate on the infield in Daytona raceway and then proceeded to run them around the racetrack completely stock at over a hundred and thirty miles an hour. One had to pick to tighten up a loosen chain guard so it only ran 128 miles an hour. If triumph had come out with the tridents with the traditional triumph styling back in 1965 when the bike was ready for production it would have beat the Honda 750 by 4 years. BSA wanted the motorcycle to have modern styling and even though people in the old days did not like the style of the bike I thought the BSA rocket 3 was beautiful ❤️😍. When I was learning how to ride a motorcycle I bought a book written by a British woman who had her own BSA rocket 3 on the back cover and I thought wow what a pretty bike that is. In the 1960s the British motorcycle industry could sell every motorcycle they could produce. In the 1970s they shot themselves in the foot so many times with hostile employees and crappy build quality and Jeep parts like what Norton use that caused so many warranty claims that it ran Norton out of business,the Japanese did not put the British motorcycle industry out of business the British management of the various companies ran their companies into the ground. This was also true of the British car manufacturing companies that used to make great little sports cars. The British Management in every manufacturing company in England became incompetent at all at once and their industry collapsed. The shame happened with their toy industry their model railroad industry everything that they had the management ran into the ground. Such a waste. As a kid I grew up with the Thunderbirds Captain Scarlett Zedd car one UFO 👽 space 1999 Doctor who Blake's 7 all the great sci-fi outside of Star Trek was all British. Once you are at the top of everything and you are number one there is no place to go but down 👇 sad but true. The same thing hit America 10 years later. Classic motorcycles classic cars classic sci-fi is much better than any of the crap that they make nowadays in anyting.
@UguysRnuts
@UguysRnuts Жыл бұрын
I preordered a GS750 before they were released in '77 and the dealer still had ten year old Rocket 3s in the crate. Although I thought about it briefly, the skinny tires and mechanical crudity of the beezer along with dubious reliability, an overheating middle cylinder problem and overall fugliness made the decision an easy one. I couldn't have been more happy with the Suzuki. She now resides in the personal collection of David Cronenberg.
@robertjones-eb4xo
@robertjones-eb4xo Жыл бұрын
I still say Honda cb 750 was the first , I had one. But then Z900 came along, and it took the Crown.
@winkeemanley1820
@winkeemanley1820 Жыл бұрын
I had a 1970 Honda 750 K0 model and a 1978 Kawasaki Z1000. I still think that the Vincent Black Shadow was the first Super Bike.
@UguysRnuts
@UguysRnuts Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't consider the ACE to be a contender without a front brake.
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Not many bikes had a front brake in 1920, if any I'd have to look into it.
@rosewood1
@rosewood1 Жыл бұрын
Can't agree the Brough was exclusive because it was so expensive. But it was far superior to the Henderson that was pig shit crude in comparison. The Brough brought jewel like quality and performance that has been rarely equalled since and despite its cost it still sold in decent numbers. It certainly is in a class of its own. Cheers great movie
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
The brough was certainly a great bike but they barely made any of the parts themselves. Not even the engines. I dont expect you to agree, everyone that knows anything has their own opinion on this subject. I tried to look at it from a reasonable perspective, it was an any interesting video to make.
@danweyant4909
@danweyant4909 Жыл бұрын
A fair reckoning, I'd say. Wonder how many Ace sold?
@motorcyclecafe
@motorcyclecafe Жыл бұрын
Thanks I doubt anyone knows how many Aces sold
@chrishampton5915
@chrishampton5915 Жыл бұрын
I mean Vincent, not Norton
@charliebrown4624
@charliebrown4624 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but, the Honda 4 could not catch my 850 Norton Commando, neither could a Ducati. The 900 Kawasaki did though.
@umvhu
@umvhu Жыл бұрын
Brough superior?
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