SUPERMAN 5 - The Cancelled Christopher Reeve Sequel

[@LegendmakerLyceum]

I can validate the accuracy of much of the description of the Cary Bates Superman script, to the best of my memory.It's been many years and I forgot a lot of the details of Cary's Superman script, but I can confirm that most of what this commentary says about it is definitely correct. Well done. My production office at Universal Studios Florida was down the hall from Ilya Salkind and Cary from 1989 to 1993, and I was friends with Cary during those years. This was while they were shooting Superboy at the studio (with their second actor, Gerard Christopher, whom my production company would later cast in our movie The First of May in 1997). I had also worked a little on Superboy myself, now and then. Cary and I used to chat a lot about various stories and music (he was a huge John Barry fan) and go to movies together. When he moved to San Francisco (before he landed as a writer on Gargoyles) he gave me a lot of his LP soundtrack collection, biographies, and DC comics (which DC sent him for free for years since he used to write for them). I don't have the comics anymore but I still have the rest of the inventory. At any rate, this was a complex action-oriented script that would have required a LOT of effects, and there were just too many fallouts happening for the Salkinds at the time. Cary had contributed rewrites (under Ilya's direction) to Christopher Columbus: The Movie, and when that failed at the box office it didn't bode well to move forward with other expensive productions. Superboy wasn't doing terribly well in the ratings either. Honestly I don't think the Salkinds nor Golan & Globus contributed anything of value to the Superman movie years of the late 1970's early 1980's. Superman: The Movie was successful largely because of Richard Donner's creative instinct, and the large budget and attention to quality special effects, not to the Salkinds. Had they kept that formula for Superman II (stayed out of the creative decision-making), then that followup would have been even more superior than the "Donner-Cut" version that came out later, and Superman III would have been rescued from the clutches of comedian Richard Pryor who effectively funded it so he could star in it - and that script was horrible. That then led to the disastrous (and temporary) transfer of custody to Golan & Globus whose productions always ranged from mediocre to embarrassing, yet who had nabbed contacts with big action stars like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Chuck Norris, effectively pumping out lots of bad movies with them, and intended to do the same thing with Christopher Reeve. It's really a shame, because Christopher Reeve's legacy as Superman could've been so much grander after the original movie had producers without any storytelling talent not interfered with the creative process.

[@SupervoidCinema]

It is a shame how things were handled with the sequels. Wealthy chancers producing films and winging it, is a theme that crops up in these movies-never-made videos a lot. Losing Donner on the sequel was definitely the catalyst for decline. It's really interesting that you were present and witness to Superman movie history. I appreciate you taking the time to comment!

[@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051]

@@SupervoidCinema It's fascinating how the Superman flims declined in quality each time: Superman 1 was a high budget and complex masterpiece Superman 2 was meh but good enough to stand alongside the first one Superman 3 was superficial and worthless Superman 4 is like The Room of superhero movies Superman 5 probably wouldn't have improved things that much

[@parengthonycastillo4272]

Can I ask something... are you a professional writer? I actually understand every words that you have said, like I am reading a novel or something.

[@larpsim]

@@parengthonycastillo4272 Nah. It probably just comes from not embellishing a story and just plain old telling the truth.

[@AtlasIsShruggingNow]

@@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 It's the greatest example of the law of diminishing returns outside of the "JAWS" franchise which to my mind is the pinnacle of that sorry state. AMAZING that in essence BOTH franchises went from the very zenith of success to the bottom of the proverbial barrel in roughly 10 years.

[@michaeljacques4845]

Just like Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, and Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman, Christopher Reeve was not an actor playing Superman...he was Superman. I still get chills when I see him in the first movie rip open his suit to reveal the Superman emblem. Rest in Peace. You are still missed.

[@michaelbergan1002]

I met Christopher Reeves and he was very nice

[@jedimasteroptimusprime4375]

@@michaelbergan1002 That must've been pretty awesome, the closest I've ever gotten to meeting a celebrity is seeing Serina Williams at Disney World

[@neilyb5012]

There's a artist called Gary frank he still draws superman looking like Christopher reve to this day

[@indianajones575]

Hugh Jackman, Robert Downey Jr. and Christopher Reeves we’re literally born to play those roles.

[@ricogomez4020]

Connery as Bond too.

[@RoyC64]

Even if Superman 5 was released and was bad, I would still be happy seeing Christoper Reeve fight Brainiac.

[@paulheap1982]

@@voltinator from what?

[@superior0618]

Superman returns is superman 5

[@paulheap1982]

@@superior0618 superman returns is an alternative Superman 3.

[@xdrawesome314x4]

Can't be worse than bvs

[@archangel5627]

Me too. Even if Superman 5 was bad I would’ve loved to see it regardless. Any footage of Christopher Reeve as Superman is worth watching in my opinion. Having Superman battle Brainiac sure sounds pretty epic.

[@MrLourie]

Christopher Reeve as Superman with today's FX would have been a glorious sight to behold. He was indeed a hero with and without a cape.

[@jasonhensley2086]

I dont think thats true; even by todays standard, the way they make Cavill fly in this rendition of Superman is horrible, they really dont know what they are doing with those harnesses/ropes. The unique way they made Reeve look on ropes, his ability as a swimmer and swing in the breeze, turn and glide his body; even 40 years later and they have yet to come close to that. The opening superman scene in Returns was good, but so much CGI, it and the current versions have all fallen victim to CGI overload. They need to strip it back more, and do what they are doing with recent star wars films. Forget the quality or whether you liked them or not; but they have nailed the mix or CGI and realism. If they could replicate the way Donner used ropes, and mix it with current CG, then i would agree but i doubt we will ever see the likes of Reeve on those ropes again

[@Reborn8303]

@@jasonhensley2086 well it didn't look good in Superman 4 sadly

[@jasonhensley2086]

​@@Reborn8303 ohh man, they filmed 1 shot of superman flying at the camera, and used it in 5 or more scenes as a filler, that shit was horrible. Though some other scenes were ok but not as great as 1-2

[@tt55899]

No not really cuz he would be in a wheelchair

[@struggler6864]

@@tt55899 Smooth, dude.

[@johnbyars_entertainment]

Christopher Reeve on Superman: "He's a friend. Everybody needs a friend." There's something magical about Christopher Reeve's performance as Superman. Every time I watch one of his Superman films, I see him as Superman. He's not Christopher Reeve as Superman...he IS Superman. He truly understood what made the character great. More importantly, Christopher Reeve was a superhero in real life.

[@Delilah.Elizabeth]

Agreed.

[@marytermini1381]

It's very sad that this movie never came to be. The plot sounds really awesome and well thought-out. I think it definitely would have put Superman back in the spotlight again with movie goers.

[@majinsnake]

I liked Superman 3 only for Christopher Reeve showing his dark side and light side of his personality. That whole junkyard battle scene was great and how Christopher (Superman) overcame this dual personality of battling himself was brilliant. He was awesome.

[@sandal_thong8631]

But he's actually 3 people: Kal-El, the guy who went through 12 years of re-education with his father, the Clark Kent persona, an exaggerated version of his Smallville high-school character, and Superman, created to inspire others in the world to do good. His father-AI wasn't impressed with him revealing himself to the world as Superman but "so be it."

[@kiers1970]

Saw Superman 3 at the pics summer 1983 12 yrs . Loved it. Still do now. Don't really understand the hate for it!

[@anandmorris]

​@@kiers1970 think if you watch something as a child, it will always seem magical even to this day. I agree with you. Superman IV waals my favourite film as a child. I love it.

[@Elementa2006]

The fact Cannon took the other half of the budget that was meant for Superman 4 and used it to finance a Masters of The Universe movie instead is really frustrating to know.

[@TheIrishSicilian]

Explains why they didnt such a horrible heman and ran out of money on that film.

[@hexen666]

Don’t forget that there was supposed to be a He-Man 2, and the sets built were eventually used for the JCVD Cyborg. Seriously watch Electric Boogaloo, the documentary about Cannon Films. It’s fascinating how these guys had delusions of grandeur when it came to differentiating between aspirations and budgets.

[@jacobjones-4811]

Ironic to think that Cannon at one time owned the rights to both Superman and Spiderman. They could've made a movie version of Superman vs Spiderman.

[@freakshowfilmfestival3591]

That was Cannon though, use the profits from one movie to make the next til flop after flop there was no more money.

[@leejones3061]

You go from an initial 36 million to 17 million budget for superman 4 what did they think was going to happen shouldnt have been so greedy having almost 30 movies in production at once and trying to shuffle the budgets to make them all work

[@BrettJamesBishop]

The footage of Christopher Reeve discussing what happened to Superman 5 blew me away! Wow! I didn't know that footage existed!!! Great job overall!!!!

[@winterpurple4587]

Christopher Reeve and Chadwick Boseman were real life superheroes. Both fought brave battles till the end.

[@Andy-Bodhi]

Respect this comment!!!

[@DavidAllgaier_]

Imagine if the two actually got to meet in person. That would have been legendary.

[@CaptainSpalding72]

Boseman has no iconic footprint and he doesn't get one just because he died of cancer. get a life.

[@chuckeecheeze4649]

Sonny Bono too.

[@somerandolad]

And Kevin Conroy, don't forget!

[@johnp8355]

Christopher Reeves was the quintessential Superman. What a tragedy. He and his wife Dana are missed

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

John yeh may chrstopher Reeve be remberd

[@jamesanderson6373]

*Reeve

[@jamesanderson6373]

*remembered

[@catrinaciccone6945]

tragic inded! Requiescat in Pace

[@mekrabj2901]

I'm a true die hard Bat Man fan. Christopher Reeve will always be my Superman. Rest in power Christopher.

[@tahkootzquinn5209]

Batman,it's just spelled altogether in one word not 2 seperate words like Bat Man

[@dtyodeller]

If you’re a die hard fan then you’d know that Batman is one word.

[@mekrabj2901]

@@dtyodeller Bat Man

[@mekrabj2901]

@@tahkootzquinn5209 I miss spelled Batman once in my life and I'm getting called on it from the entire internet. Batman, Batman, Batman. think it's spelled BaTmAn. Is this right?

[@tahkootzquinn5209]

@@mekrabj2901 it's BaaaaaaaTmAn lmao meh I don't care i was just messing with ya bruh lol

[@johncreed9433]

Truly, Christopher Reeve was the one true Superman both on and off the screen.

[@doggface7008]

Christoper Reeve will forever be The One and Only True Superman 😩💯😩💯

[@ronald3419]

I say that Christopher Reeve is the best Superman for all seasons. Those of us who remember George Reeves in the 2 decades before Chris Reeve will be partial to him. He was a perfect Superman for the 1950s. Reeve embodied the 1970s and 80s and had qualities that fit the character in all eras.

[@doggface7008]

@@ronald3419 Chris an George looked like the supermen of comics at there times...How did I forgot about that

[@paxhumana2015]

@Doggface 700, nope!

[@richardgrayson3973]

Tell that to the snyderbots,they will attack you

[@StevenMichaelCunningham]

Super Man of recent was epic for sure..

[@MXKID34]

Christopher Reeve is SUPERMAN period, no one will ever replace him! R.I.P CR

[@joec7217]

This would've been a great end to Christopher Reeve's story as Superman. It sucks they were never able to do this

[@jmjfanss]

and to make matters worse, reeves became paralyzed from the neck down from his horse accident, 8 years after the dreadful superman iv.

[@The_Blue_Otaku]

I didn't know they were planning to make a Superman 5 back then the story and script of Superman 5 sounds amazing I bet it would have been a badass movie if it was made.

[@ccchhhrrriiisss100]

I've often wished for an animated continuation of the Christopher Reeve/Richard Donner SUPERMAN franchise. I imagine that Reeve would have consented to his likeness (and a voiceover) being used. It could be epic.

[@thecelticdruid7707]

Fantastic idea.

[@leeandrew6555]

Christopher Reeve was born to play Superman. He got the essence of both characters perfect. There was a distinct difference between Kent and Superman that hasn’t been captured since. People say he would be brilliant as superman today yes but he could pull the role off in 1950 or 60 his character work was that good.

[@toddcribbs12]

Christopher Reeve was an ambassador for people with disabilities not just a nice actor I was at the Special Olympics this guy picks me up I don't know who he is but I find out from my father it's one of my favorite actors I had watched Superman and he was such a great role model to be able to get picked up by him when I was such a little kid what happened to him just made me cry

[@evertonporter7887]

In a way, we did get Superman V. It's called Superman Returns! IV was so bad even Superman himself left Earth because of the embarrassment of a movie it was LOL.

[@toddcribbs12]

@@evertonporter7887 oh wow what an embarrassment of a human being you are shame on you for that

[@pikeflowed]

Christopher Reeve proved He didn't need a cape to be a Hero in real life, He helped so many people with his Charity work and Foundation, an incredible man who put the " S " in Super, R.I.P. Mr Reeve.

[@Dabeef64]

as far as I am concerned Christopher Reeve will always be Superman. R.I.P.

[@lloydjohnlyons]

Yeah for the people of that era of time for me wasnt Christopher reeve although in the 90 we had Lois and Clark new adventure superman dean cain was superman and he was my favourite but recently my other favourite supergirl from CW series Melissa Benoist. For me will always be dean cain and Melissa benoist

[@alexthejapanfan7905]

@Will N or George Newbern. Especially after justice league season one.

[@tsgu8728]

He was the definitive Superman. Chiselled jaw and that nose and his built. Straight out from the comics 😲

[@homelessjesse9453]

Even Roger Ebert mentioned something to the effect that Reeve was born to play the role of Superman.

[@HEDGIE11]

If only Warner Brothers got the film rights away from Cannon Films, they could have made the best Superman movie with Christopher Reeve

[@SIKE01]

if only they didn't cut the legs out from under the original director RICHARD DONNER

[@MIRLZY]

I'm a DC fanboy and I'm gonna go as far as to say highly unlikely

[@92trdman]

If this movie were make , could change the life and faith of the actor....I do believe that is possible

[@Emrys91]

@@SIKE01 not the best choice of words considering Reeves became paralyzed

[@jeromemaida4933]

Oh get a grip and stop being oversensitive

[@michaelblackmore3492]

Christopher Reeve is and always will be SUPERMAN.

[@IAmInevitable1337]

i dont care how many bad any films would been made if it was meaning, Christopher Reevee would been on it, R.I.P to the true Superman and his wife, they both fought very strong, and will always be remembered

[@MrLim-wq2gn]

Christopher Reeve will Always be My Number one Classic/Iconic Superman.

[@richardenglish2195]

It would've wonderful to see Christopher Reeve bow out of the role in this way. I can't imagine the effects would've lived up to the scope of the film, but the story hits the right emotional beats. Ah well. Fantastic video, btw. Thoroughly enjoyed watching it.

[@richarde.skywalker1977]

No matter what people say about Superman 3 and Superman 4, all the Superman movies with Chris Reeve are beautiful masterpieces for me since I am a big Superman fan myself. Superman 5 would've been a bittersweet yet epic superhero movie in the Christopher Reeve franchise. The closest movie we got for Superman 5 was Superman Returns in my opinion. Interesting story though!

[@phyllishammond9886]

Christopher Reeve 's son Will Reeve is a reporter on Good Morning America. Christopher and Dana would be proud! Rest in peace to the both of them.

[@stefjevtic]

Let's hope he's "street smart" 😏.

[@johncarter1477-v6y]

Superman V sounds like a very ambitious Movie. Certainly a lot better than the last two previous films. Might've been Interesting to see how It would've turned out.

[@thechest77]

I've been a lifelong Superman fan and to learn at 43 y/o that JS created Superman as a protector after his father was murdered makes Superman not only incredible but important and direct from the heart.

[@SteveBrant55]

Thanks for all you did to make this excellent documentary. To be honest, the part that means the most to me is being reminded Superman was created at least in part in response to Jerry Siegel's father being killed during a nighttime robbery. From personal tragedy great things are sometimes born! What an important lesson!

[@vinicioreyes4792]

Superman: Returns is basically Superman V Brandon Routh did say his and Christopher Reeves superman are one and the same, and Bryan Singer also said it is a sequel to Superman II.

[@rosliroslan1452]

To me Bryan Singer failed big time in the movie. That was the only chance for a Superman movie could be glorious again as the discovery of Brandon Routh was the perfect replacement for Christopher Reeves after years of searching. But Bryan Singer blew it away. Not only the story line was poor...even from the very beginning things already showed when Bryan Singer arrogantly and deprecatingly says that he never knew much about Superman during his childhood days. Till today, Superman movies can only be successfully directed by Richard Donner. Cos there are some imperative essentials that only Richard Donner is clever in harnessing it to a Superman movie that can awe the audience and fans. He has the connection and perfection needed. Only if he was the one who directed Superman Returns and even The Man Of Steel...Superman movies would be glorified again and the newer generattions would have a different way in perceiving the much more distinguished and incomparable Superman character as well.

[@publicaccess7417]

@@rosliroslan1452 they didn't use routh like they should have. Also, Henry cavill has no business playing superman, he hasn't resemblance to the character at all. Yes, they should have kept routh and donner

[@darkangel15221]

@@publicaccess7417 I disagree. Audiences need to realize that there are various incarnations of the character, albeit with the same basic characteristics. Christopher Reeve's portrayal was based on the Silver Age Superman and such a portrayal would be considered corny by today's standards (hence why Batman has overtaken Superman as the "crown jewel of DC comics). Just like George Reeve's version wouldn't have worked in the late 70's. Zack Snyder took a lot his inspiration from Superman Earth One and attempted to make a more grounded, realistic version. Marvel did the same thing with Captain America but they struck the right balance between his earnestness and kickass traits.

[@publicaccess7417]

@@darkangel15221 If you wanna get technical, Henry Cavill is at best a Golden Age Superman, but the scripts and directors aren't using him in this context, making his Superman films akward and clunky. He can't be 100 commited to the role anyways doing the Witcher, which wouldn't do fair justice to the Superman character. All the while Routh is ready and available for playing Sups. Just plain dumb. Poorly marketed and missed opportunities to get a really good superman. Also nobody can replace Christopher Reeve, he's just got that natural look that compels you believe he isn't from earth, he's from somewhere else, far off heavens. That is a lot of the reason why his Superman films were so successful in the first place.

[@publicaccess7417]

@David Hinkle we know that but that's not the point of the conversation.

[@clarkunglued580]

Reeves was paralyzed nearly a year to the day after I was in a car accident. It still chokes me up thinking about it. RIP, the Once and Future Superman.

[@Shorai_3]

This is so heartbreaking. Superman V would have been the perfect apology movie. Personally, I would love for somebody at DC to adapt the script into comic form like what happened with Frank Millar's RoboCop 2, but I get the feeling they already did. As this sounds an awful lot like the "Superman: Brainiac" miniseries that came out in 2008.

[@sixflagsshowspast9616]

The problem is always Warner Brothers.

[@silvanaaparecidademello9956]

He was a ordinary Man, always super, specialand handsome, awesone job, Christopher Reeve, gorgeous Man, leve us his legacy, pride of him, he give life to comics, movies, series and cartoons....

[@mikeshirleyforever]

What a wonderfully put together documentary/concept for V. Very well done!!! I really enjoyed this, thank you for putting so much time into this for the fans. IV has always been my favourite of all the films for the production problems and I had always wondered what Golan and Globus had in mind for their concept for V, if they had one! Lol! It was crazy when they were debating on using the deleted footage from IV into V. At the time, I wonder what big name would have been epic as Brainiac. I am surprised the character has not been used in the later films. Such a shame we didn't get a redemption of a fifth film with the late amazing and talented Christopher Reeve and the original cast. I know we had Returns but that really was a huge missed opportunity that really let the series down, it just played it too safe and had Jon Peters fingerprints all over it. The video of Reeve saying about V being in production is so sad because you can tell he really wanted to end the films on a high, giving justice and conclusion to the series at the time. Another reason I liked IV is that Cannon actually continued the series with the original cast. They could have recasted and changed the concept even more, but I am glad we had the IV that came out. The original story by Reeve, Konner and Rosenthal had so much potential and it felt much better than III. Such a shame we never got the V we deserved and it really was tragic what happened to Reeve. He will always be one of my favourite actors of all time and an inspiration to many.

[@stevep3597]

Awesome video, so much detail included that I have never heard of. RIP Christopher Reeve.

[@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley]

The amount of times I just checked the channel for any updates was more than enough to drive me mad. You guys are doing some of my favorite content of KZbin, I'm glad you are back!

[@knobbymcfeck]

The editing of all the different Superman story sources into a cohesive thing while you explained the plot was some amazing work, really well done!

[@sandal_thong8631]

If we're talking about influences, I thought Superman being able to fly and Lex Luthor, his bald arch-enemy were taken from Shazam! (a.k.a. Captain Marvel)?

[@stevekoller3314]

Why am I just learning about a possible Superman 5 now?

[@donkeyslayer4661]

Because it was never really released and is not going to be. Reeves, being disabled and dead, there's no way to finish the film.

[@stevekoller3314]

@@donkeyslayer4661 I am aware of that. See, I have this weird niche for unreleased and cancelled movies, but this is the first time I've ever come this film in the abandoned movie community

[@BIadesMan]

@@donkeyslayer4661 bit of a clever twat aren’t ya?

[@BIadesMan]

@@stevekoller3314 dont know why u even replied to the clever prick.

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

You didn't hear about the Tim Burton/Nicolas Cage potential disaster?

[@ephemeralsamsara]

That was fantastic. Thank you. I really wish they had managed to make that movie. Christopher Reeve will always be Superman

[@sash9249]

Superman V sounded action packed but it needed more heart imo. But hey, it would have been amazing just to see that man don the cape once more. He and Donner made Superman what he was cinematically and really drew up the blueprint for all superhero films to follow (and still do). As a huge Superman fan, I'm surprised to just be learning about this treatment now! Thanks for your efforts, really enjoyed this and the edited footage to tell V visually. Well done and RiP to the best Man of Steel there ever was (and ever will be).

[@jamiebraswell5520]

I agree that it lacked heart. It was also way too big for what the special effects of the day could have delivered. It needed a rewrite with some actual character, and to e down the fight scenes. Too much big special effects becomes boring rather than special. Man of Steele made that mistake...a terrible film with endless CGI destruction. There must be a balance between the action packed yet boring sfx of Man of Steel versus the sheer bore fest that was Superman Returns.

[@DavidAllgaier_]

It would be very mind blowing to watch a mid-90s Superman movie starring Christopher Reeve featuring 90s era CGI and practical effects. A movie like this would be very risky to make but potentially very rewarding as long as the VFX look better than the 4th movie’s special effects.

[@adrianunderwood8642]

Would have loved to see Christopher Reeve play Superman again. He was the best Superman, Superman II is still one of my favourite Superhero movies, I was 11 when It came out and at the time was the most expenisive movie ever made! RIP Christopher

[@WarghostsGermany23]

Christopher Reeve will always be my number 1 Superman, my childhood hero! He was also a great person from what I've read about him!

[@AGC828]

They hit the jackpot when they cast Christopher Reeve as Superman. He had the build and the face. Especially when he smiled. So perfect it was as if the comic book creator based his drawings off of a photo of Reeve. Only Brandon Routh has come closest. The 1978 Superman film is still the best film version made. From the cast, writing, acting to the soundtrack by John Williams. And the SFX...incredible job...especially being there was no such thing as CG back then. No computers were used. So it was also a feat in cinematography.

[@elijahlee3610]

Brandon has come the closest to doing what?

[@matthewgaudet4064]

Cavill looks exactly like an Alex Ross Superman drawing.

[@bryansalvagejr757]

I wonder if Jonathan Kent dyeing in the film was a nod to the creators dad dying? Pa Kent is not dead in the original comics but his death in the film is such a tragedy to Superman as he feels powerless.

[@orianahanon6340]

I would have loved to have seen a Superman 5

[@donoso1312]

Supervoid cinema is the fucking best

[@Valentino305WorldWide]

Reeve will always be superman in my eyes I wanted 2 see a part 5 after 4 was out

[@stevenoconnor5693]

Christopher Reeve was a true super man and in my opinion he’ll always be the only superman that played that role there have been some other good ones don’t get me wrong, but I have yet to see somebody truly encapsulate the essence of what they can’t they were supposed to be fully

[@capitalcitygoofball1987]

Sounds like the bones of this script could have worked pretty well for a Man of Steel film. I don't see how this would have been filmable 30 years ago though.

[@capitalcitygoofball1987]

@@MattChew2 I always thought in Man of Steel that the entire world building engine subplot should have been refabricated into Brainiac and saved for the sequel. And have Lex Luthor's dad get killed in the Lexcorp building instead of that bozo that we never met. My two cents.

[@josron6088]

That's what I was about to say.

[@JL4GL]

By the early 90s, I'd envision a combination of Terminator with Aliens - Superman. Would it have been pricey, maybe but with good buzz and production, they would've for sure made money.

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

They did use the bones. The atmosphere idea is not in the books. It later popped up in Man of Steel.

[@freakshowfilmfestival3591]

If Luke could fight a Rancor, then Superman could fight Brainiac. Lol

[@Critic_Chris90210]

Awww man. That would've been the best/final Superman film of Christopher Reeve could end that franchise on. It sounded so great that I bet it would best film only to be Reeve's last. Sadly it never came to be. Just as much as that idea could've served as a great idea for a return story for Superman Returns Singer should've made. I always said like others Brianiac would've been perfect as a threat for the return story of Superman proving why the world still needs him. Instead Singer just gives a rehash of Donnor's original film.

[@superdarth11]

Love John Williams score 😍 it’s truly missed in the new 🎥 films.like taking the Star Wars score away.you wouldn’t do it .

[@jacobjones-4811]

This movie would've taken years to make, With no guarantee that It would make any more money than the Previous Superman films. Pretty obvious why It got canceled.

[@bleeneo101]

Christopher Reeve will always be the one and only

[@alexsurles]

The Donner cut of Superman 2 was the best.

[@johndango3259]

i prefer the theatrical cut, i mean it makes more sense in continuity from superman return... in donner cut, superman turns back time and erase the history that he has sleep with lois

[@DJRitty]

I prefer my cut lol both movies in one. Neither is complete, but imo theatrical is 'better'. It's more fun. The donner cut is the way it SHOULD have been but something is missing and the original is just more fun. Both cuts are half of the REAL movie.

[@DJRitty]

@@johndango3259 I kept the kiss ending. It's wonderful. He's an ALIEN - who's to say what he can and can't do. It's romantic and you just gotta GO with it. Donner's ending was the ending for part 2 but used for 1 so in reality it IS better but he already did it lol So the Donner cut's ending is crap imo and ruins it.

[@JadMock]

@@DJRitty he cannot

[@jacobjones-4811]

The Donner Cut was never even shown in theaters. Nobody wanted to spend anything on an advertising campaign or theatrical distribution. They probably didn't think they would get their money back.

[@phillipw6374]

You know its a good day when Supervoid Cinema uploads

[@countgeekula9143]

Christopher Reeve. Forever Superman. ♥️

[@derekhart3308]

Loved to seen it as a movie sadly never made RIP Chrisopher Reeve we miss you😪 the only true Superman not just as best actor played him as Superman but in real life to you are a total legend you will live on forever.

[@El_oh7199]

Superman has some amazing enemies: Mentallo, Braniac, that little dude with the wacky name, Bizarro. But after all these movies we only get awful Lex Luthor impersonators, a couple of decent Zods, and a pathetic "Doomsday".

[@jimmiesmith5811]

Maybe with the new tv show they can use some of them like they did with Batman you only use the same villains so much

[@ashleytuchin7693]

I know, it's always frustrated me how underutilized Superman's rogues gallery have been in movies. He's got some great villains that would be perfect on film. Apparently Metallo was originally meant to appear alongside Lex Luthor in the Man of Steel sequel before it morphed into Batman v. Superman.

[@alexdarko2217]

There have been better Superman animated movies over the last couple of years that seem to have got the character right than the Snyderverse keeps failing to understand.

[@jacobjones-4811]

Nobody in Hollywood reads Comics. They've never heard of any Superman Villians besides Lex Luthor and General Zod.

[@sixtopragaalba9781]

Hackman is a great performer but they made him a comical villain,it was a mistake,Stamp was a great ZOD,ShanNON not,he was pathetic,Michael should be FRANKENSTEIN no more,another great enemy is TERRAMAN who got old the Man of Steel in comics,a four decades ago Burt Reynolds had been the right choice to that crook guy.

[@Top_Hat_Man]

Imagine If Superman 5 Existed, And Then In 1995, A Movie About Batman And Superman Is Released, And Then A Justice League Movie In 1997...

[@farisgeekworld]

Before a Batman Superman movie happen, it could be possible that a third Batman movie with Tim Burton returning to direct could also lead to a Wonder Woman movie in the mid 90s before going to a Justice League movie.

[@ianandjohnandmaniandreni9323]

With Michael Keaton as Batman and Christopher Reeve as Superman.

[@carlomacchiavello]

TV movies with others actors exist, I had an old vhs with it.

[@Hardbody217]

This is a very well done video with lots of interesting information. I find it ironic that although Siegel denied the influence of Philip Wylie's "Gladiator", DC would later embrace Hugo Danner as the backstory for one of my favorite DC characters, Iron Munro, created to replace the Golden Age Superman in the Post-Crisis Universe. The Superboy TV series gets little respect, but actually touched on a lot of mature themes in it's later seasons, basically becoming X-Files before X-Files. It also heavily foreshadows themes later found in the Death of Superman story (especially Conner's first look). Superman IV is a guilty pleasure for me and I'm a Nuclear Man defender. If done right (Mark Pillow's own voice, no fingernails of death) he would have been Superman's most dangerous foe yet. There is the core of a great movie there. Ditto Supergirl with all it's campy goodness.

[@ccchhhrrriiisss100]

The Christopher Reeve sequel for Superman that I would have loved involved Donner's Superman meeting Burton's Batman on a parallel Earth that had no superheroes.

[@hamsandwiches9347]

Calm down

[@quentinbryantart5684]

This was great! look forward to more. I didn't realize they came quite close to a Superman 5 with Chris Reeve, so interesting. 👍

[@fobwatchful]

The more I hear about the troubles that come about trying to make a good superhero movie, the more impressed I am with Kevin Feige pulling together all the franchises to make so many.

[@chadbrick67]

Yeah start of great but eventually ruin the franchise with woke trash. Typical parasite Hollywood

[@muchanadziko6378]

overwhelming majority of MCU is unwatchable tbh

[@neonkenomi320]

Sadly, WB doesn't know what to do with Superman these days. This would of been a fine conclusion to Revee era of Superman.

[@hexen666]

WB doesn’t seem to know what to do with DC full stop.

[@jacobjones-4811]

The people at WB are Morons. They got Hack Snyder to Craft their Crappy, Rushed Universe. How the Hell do you have an Edge Lord Nihilist who Directed a Flop like the Watchmen as your Kevin Feige?

[@davdhartung9817]

CW.

[@jacobjones-4811]

Nobody is playing Superman in a movie, anytime soon. In fact, Superman is moving to television with a new CW Show.

[@marcodabatman]

Bummed we never got a 5th Reeve movie, but seeing Routh carry on with the exact same character in Returns ALL THE WAY to Crisis on Infinite Earths makes me feel happy and satisfied. Reeve/Routh Superman is MY favorite live-action iteration

[@neutral6941]

Superman is the ultimate hero.

[@-Munditimum-]

Truly appreciated this video. As this story was being told, I had Chris in my mind in this movie. With all the special effects of today, I'm totally for Chris, Margo and everyone else coming back to do another Superman movie, as I have a feeling many people would agree with me. And of course Richard Donner being at the helm of the project.

[@aidanlynn]

Christopher Reeve looks his best in Superman 3.

[@jimmiesmith5811]

He looked his best in 3 and 4 he put had on more weight than what he had in 1 and 2

[@painkiller1968]

@@jimmiesmith5811 4 he was thinner.

[@richie7782]

Yeah Superman 3 he was the biggest

[@02WIFE]

Superman II he looked good

[@richie7782]

@@02WIFE yeah the Richard Lester filmed scenes he looked Superman size the Donner filmed scenes not so much he was still putting on muscle!

[@johnwells5414]

Parallel world where Richard Donner stayed the director/producer of the Superman films. Superman the Movie: Origin of Clark Kent to Superman where he battles Lex Luthor. Superman 2: Zod and his followers come to Earth. Superman 3: Superman vs Brainiac. Superman 4: Supergirl arrives. Superman 5: Luthor Creates Bizzaro. Superman 6: Death of Superman. Superman 7: Enter the Knight. Superman 8: The final showdown with Luthor. Superman 9: Darkseid comes to Earth. Would this have been the layout? Probably not lol. But it’s fun to think about

[@WarriorSmurf]

For future reference, the "zine" in fanzine is pronounced "zeen". Also, Jerry Siegel's last name is pronounced ""see-gol". Gerard Christopher is the Superboy actor (from season 2- forward).

[@andylikesstuffchannel]

I'm 44 and was a massive fan of the original and legendary Reeve Superman I've never heard of a Superman 5 even getting thought of........

[@archangel5627]

The biggest issue was that the Salkinds didn’t have a solid sequel/spin-off for the Supergirl character. The Salkinds wanted to expand the Superman mythos by adding in more characters from the Superman comics. Had they had a killer script, I’m sure Christopher Reeve would have reprised his role as the Man of Steel. Superman 3 was not as good as the other two films even though I happen to like it since it was the only Original Superman movie I got to see in theaters. The other nail in the coffin was that Cannon Film used half of the Superman 4 budget to make Masters of the Universe which is why I don’t like Masters. Personally I would’ve loved to see Christopher Reeve come back better than ever with a very well written script and the proper large budget a Superman movie needs. Had Cannon Films made the right decisions and gave Superman the respect he deserves than maybe the fourth installment would’ve done well enough to green light a fifth Superman movie.

[@jamiebraswell5520]

You should not judge a movie by the shady dealings of the Producers. Masters of the Universe is not too bad. It is worth watching just to see Frank Langella as Skeletor, a role he still says to this day was his favorite. He did it for his young son, who was a big He-Man fan, and he got to indulge himself as a villain. He is not one bit ashamed of it, nor should he be. Meg Foster as Evil-Lyn was awesome too. She is just a neat actress that I always enjoyed seeing. The movie also gets points for having Billy Barty, Tom Paris from Star Trek Voyager, and the first role for CouProducer's. What Cannon did was terrible and it was a betrayal of Christopher Reeve as he had been promised so much and then had it all taken away at the last minute, leaving him with an embarrassing final outing as Superman. That is not the fault of the crew who made Masters of the Universe.

[@kennethwayne6857]

@@jamiebraswell5520 I was just about to comment something similar. Langella made that movie worthwhile for me.

[@CaptainSpalding72]

Big deal you saw it in the theater. I saw Superman III in the theater too and it's fucking pile of horse shit.

[@UltimateKyuubiFox]

This treatment has a lot of struggles. The action is mostly pointless and tensionless, not to mention unlikely to have been very well realized given the era. Most of the interesting ideas go unexplored, like the Kryptonian city and Superman’s reconnection with Lois inside it. If the brunt of the script was about Superman’s emotional journey rejoining with his heritage in the midst of the larger conflict with Brainiac, having to come to terms with where he will choose to live the rest of his life, this script may have been worth consideration from Christopher Reeve. As is, I can see why it was left unfilmed..it hardly feels like a next level sci-fi epic and more like a lame punch-em-up.

[@louisduarte8763]

Also, Braniac's sidekick, whose wife is stuck in one of the shrunken bottled cities, disappears from the plot.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Kal-EL is a lonely guy. He didn't "sow his oats" before going into Jor-El's re-education program at the Fortress of Solitude for 12 years. After Supergirl was introduced I imagined Jimmy would have been a "Pal" and told Superman about her and Argo City. Then Kal-El could have met up with other Kryptonians. I would have liked to have seen Superman and Supergirl team up to take Kandor away from Brainiac. The danger of having a "Big Bad" though is making him irredeemable, like the scene with him killing orphan children in space for no reason. What's up with that? At least in one way of thinking, Brainiac saved Kandor from destruction when Krypton exploded, even if it was against their will. And wasn't General Zod in charge of Krypton's defense? Maybe that failure pushed him over the edge?

[@MinddKidzag]

This year finally got better. Welcome back, Supervoid Cinema!

[@srstriker6420]

Still haven’t got anymore fan trailers?

[@MinddKidzag]

@@srstriker6420 I'm cookin' up some new trailers now. I just wanted to take a small break from editing after dealing with 2020.

[@srstriker6420]

@@MinddKidzag okay then, because I was thinking of David S Goyer’s flash movie or I guess you seen the invisible man 2020 because if you seen the episode See no evil where Elizabeth Moss was in the episode so I thought it would be fun to have it as a fan sequel to the episode.

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

@@srstriker6420 I'm betting had superman v benn mzdd Christopher Christopher Plummer would have been braniac

[@luisalbertoapariciomaganda8333]

Supervoid Cinema Returns! Great guys, never knew that a Superman 5 movie was actually planed, thanks!

[@stevemoore9509]

Oh wow I've never knew this. Thanks so much for posting. If it was a Superman 5 I would be the first one in line to see it. I remember I saw Superman 1 in Hollywood at the Chinese Theater in 1978. Many of us love Christopher Reeve .May he R.I.P.

[@TEDSHOTTHAT]

Crazy. Too much batman and less Superman these days . Why is it so hard to get superman another blockbuster??

[@sarys73]

Because Superman too much of a goody two-shoes. They need to make a Superman film that's dark for it to really dent the Batman films. Everyone likes dark and mysterious over cleancut and wholesome.

[@Texasjim2007]

The original Christopher Reeves Superman in 1978 was so successful mainly because it was Jimmy Carter's America where half the population under 30 were stoned on drugs and real life sucked so badly for most people with a global AIDS pandemic, the Killing Fields expansion of the Evil Empire, and all sorts of other downers that California Democrats were joining a mass suicide cult that worshipped an ex-Communist psychopath claiming to be Jesus Christ.

[@petawest6505]

@@sarys73 lmfao Superman isnt dark. Batfaps want EVERYTHING to be dark. Superman is yin to Batmans yang. It's balance. Superman isnt about being a 'goody two shoes' hes about hope and humanity. Sad people dont get this.

[@masere]

Batman is basically a glorified James Bond - he has no powers, just brains and gadgets. That's why it's easy to make those films. Superman is completely different with all his powers so harder to make a decent film with a powerful villain too.

[@TEDSHOTTHAT]

@@masere well they do good with the animated superman. Just think superman 1 & 2 then how would u make that better🤷🏽‍♂️

[@aaronmoreno4545]

Oh man, this sounded like it would’ve been awesome! But thankfully Reeve helped others in a similar situation like him.

[@toumbryth7862]

I wish Brainiac could have been used for a change. Always loved the character of Lex Luthor, but 4 movies was enough.

[@gelertgames]

I agree. I do love Hackman's Luther but...4....yeah....too much.

[@johnsheriff3904]

3 Luther was only in 1.2.and 4

[@yodaflyz]

Lex was in 1 & 2 but in 3 it had some nobody villain ,(can't remember his name) & a guy who stole half penny's instead. Lex Luther didn't come back until 4.

[@toumbryth7862]

Ok, but my point is, (as much as I love the character) they used him just a little bit much in the movies. Especially when they had other great Superman villains to use.

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

@@toumbryth7862 what about chrstopher Plummer as braniac

[@phoenixfire2578]

I really would've loved to see Sups 5 with Donner at the helm again. At least we got to see the cast one last time in Smallville. I cried when Christopher Reeve appeared in Smallville just before his death.

[@DrButthugger]

Can’t wait for the next episode about Reborn/Lives!

[@srstriker6420]

Yeah because that’s a big one and Brainiac hasn’t been given a silver screen treatment

[@nc32203]

Or Flyby

[@therealmovieman]

I wish they would take concepts and scripts for this and make it animated with Reeve's likeness Similarly I would love a Routh CW limited series maybe based on the early ideas for Retums 2 or carrying on from Crisis on Infinite Earths

[@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond]

holy shit, at 15:08 that image of Gerard Christopher was photoshopped by me. Gave me a huge smile to see it in your video. The suit is actually made from a photo of the 1990 Flash suit. With obviously the superman returns belt. if you wanna see a side by side comparison with the original photo of the flash, its on my instagram tom_gallagher_artwork, it's near the bottom, but don't worry i don't have that many pictures up there so you'll find it easily. Also thanks for mentioning Superboy. That show has such a special place in my heart.

[@SupervoidCinema]

That's awesome, I didn't even realise it was an edited image, I used it because it stood out a mile as the best one on the net.

[@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond]

​@@SupervoidCinema thank you, glad you like it. Great job on these videos. Just finished your video about Superman lives and its another great one. Can't wait for the flyby video.

[@jonathanrayne]

That horse accident scared me off riding for LIFE!

[@Just2532yd]

I watched the first Superman movie yesterday so this video comes right in time for me

[@HSAnt963]

Thank you KZbin recommendations! Love the lost media content you're covering. SUBSCRIBED.

[@seanbicard1216]

Terrible when ended up in wheelchair, fall from horse, superman didn't kill. Should of stayed that way, thanks to all involved childhoods like mine believe,, great moral, my childhood hero R, I, P

[@seanbicard1216]

Respect!

[@mousje4647]

I loved every minute of this video. Your story telling is great.

[@SupervoidCinema]

Appreciate you watching it!

[@georgeowen2083]

There are times where people who really dropped the ball on a great opportunity. Not making this movie is one of them.

[@neutral6941]

Christopher Reeve is the best Superman.

[@zillauniverse7208]

Man it’s great to see you guys back :) Also here are some suggestions for future videos, tristar original version of Godzilla 98, Imagi Gatchaman, Bioshock, Thundercats, and all the cancelled Nintendo movie projects

[@mexiwolf009]

I’ve never heard of a Superman V until now. Crazy to think history would have been different if there was another Christopher Reeves film. I just discovered your channel, your work is phenomenal. Keep it up, I’m subscribing. 👍🏼🙂

[@Parker_Luck394]

This video was seriously awesome! So detailed and well crafted, told with passion and great knowledge. A journey from the days when Superman died (with very insightful informations wich even a long time fan like myself never heard of), to a very engaging reconstruction of the never made 5th Superman movie, closing with an homage to one of the most real superheroes ever and his acts of heroism done in our world, despite the tragedy. And even if I think I know a fair share of what you'll cover in the next movie (I watched the documentary), I'm sure I will be surprised and entertained by what you have in store. Very well done!

[@Orlandomallguide]

First off, congrats and thanks for a really well-done retrospective. I thought I knew the full story of Superman V but I clearly did not. The research, writing, and execution on this video is really appreciated. I know telling the Superman V story using clips from a multitude of projects wasn't easy for many reasons, but the result was fantastic. Looking forward to more from your channel!

[@brunfranc]

At last! I missed your videos!

[@gerry_atric]

This was a random recommendation and I'm glad. Really entertaining, had no idea about S5. On to find pt.2 here 😄👍

[@Parrisnights]

The algorithm has blessed me your videos. Awesome content!