Supermarine Type 322 “Dumbo”

[@WOFFY-qc9te]

Thanks for the video, Supermarine knocked up a few good designs and were very much leaders in their field, my great uncle was one of the directors and as a very young lad of 5 I played with balsa planes he had in his study, years later I learned they were wind tunnel models... and the pretty pictures of aeroplanes I scribbled on were probably old Schnieder and Spitfire GA drawings.

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

@WOFFY-qc9te You are welcome. Yes, they were innovators.

[@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe]

Leaders over what companies? Other moribund English firms? Was this Aircraft to be Carrier based?

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

@@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe Yes Carrier as mentioned & on the YT thumbnail.

[@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe]

@talesfromthehutandhangar Thanks but I was being facetious.

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

@@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe 😜 You got me

[@jimroberts3009]

It's got such a big resemblance to the Fairey Barracuda. A great example of design convergence because of the same specification.

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

For the specs required it was bound to be very alike.

[@jimroberts3009]

@talesfromthehutandhangar Yes S. 24/37.

[@ivancho5854]

Wow, she folds up into an extremely narrow aircraft! I think that this is definitely a more handsome aircraft than the Barracuda. It's wonderful to learn about old aircraft which I've never even heard of. Thank you. 👍👍

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

I agree! I am glad you have enjoyed them. Thanks!

[@michaelguerin56]

Thank you for new obscure aviation history details. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

@@michaelguerin56 Thanks 👍

[@SPavlo]

The wing concept survived. It even succeeded with the LTV Crusader, there again for aircraft carrier operation.

[@jamieblanche3963]

Brilliant vid. Must confess i was hooked in the first 3 seconds when you said "Hut & Hanger" as one syllable

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

Brilliant I nearly rerecorded that bit. I dropped my 'proper' English🤣 Thanks!

[@Steven-p4j]

What a tremendous channel you have, lots of data and detailed diagrams of unusual aircraft. Also, you research your material with great care. Cheers from Australia. It is a surprisingly large aircraft, with certain feature, such as the variable wing later used by others, such as the second generation of the "Crusader"Used to great effect in Vietnam, flown from US carriers. Its many inherent variable flight control surfaces, was interesting, and dare I say it, ahead of its time.

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

@Steven-p4j Thank you so much. I am so pleased you enjoy them. Very underrated aircraft were used in these roles of early Navy flying.

[@ramspace]

Imagine locating a clip in which the Supermarine lands on its main wheels and settles into bouncing and porpoising. Hair raising at 60mph indeed.

[@malakiblunt]

thats a new one too me -

[@fredtedstedman]

hard to believe this is the company that invented the Spitfire !!!!!!

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

Why not? The aircraft was built to strict specifications required. The variable wing was inventive.

[@pencilpauli9442]

Would I be correct in thinking that Fairey had to move the tailplanes higher up the vertical fin because of the airflow from the shoulder mounted wings caused problems with the rear control surfaces? Given all the modifications and changes the Barracuda was subjected to, the Dumbo might have needed a magic feather to fly had it been given the nod.

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

@pencilpauli9442 Yes l would think they did it for that reason. It was a good aircraft, l think.

[@robbudden]

Looks like Turbo Porter

[@nu_foz]

Looks like a bloated Pilatus Porter :)

[@lllordllloyd]

F8 Crusader is obviously a direct copy.

[@parrotraiser6541]

A machine whose obscurity was clearly richly deserved. The narrow track and long fuselage suggests it was very sensitive to crosswinds on landing. (Not much of an issue on a carrier, but land use had better be into wind and on grass.)

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

It was carrier aircraft. Designed around what was required and trade offs were made no doubt. All aircraft deserve recognition as they help develop thing into what was have today.

[@mandoprince1]

The Rolls Royce Exe was not valveless, it had sleeve valves!

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

@mandoprince1 Thanks. I did not pick up on that. Iffy info on my source.

[@markaxworthy2508]

Could we have something on the types specifically designed for the Civil Air Guard, such as the Comper Scamp, Chrislea L.C.1 Airguard, Peterborugh Guardian, etc,. etc.?

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

I see you found the Scamp! The Chrislea L.C.1 Airguard is on my long list!

[@markaxworthy2508]

@@talesfromthehutandhangar I am subscribed, so I can wait. The Comper Scamp, Chrislea L.C.1 Airguard and Peterborough Guardian are the only three I have so far discovered designed specifically for CAG service, but I guess there are others. I don't think any got beyond prototype before the war led to the CAG being wound up with civil aviation generally..

[@Steven-p4j]

I am shocked that the designers failed to grasp that aerodynamically, with the wing presenting at a high angle of attack, would seriously alter airflow to the vertical stabiliser. Which is often overcome by increasing the rudder size, or adding strakes to the lover section of the fuselage. (impossible with a tail dragger)

[@WOFFY-qc9te]

Yes this is a problem with tail draggers loosing pitch authority because of wing wash aggravated by this variable incidence wing. As seen by DC3's struggling to get speed because they are not flying the tail to reduce angle of attack thus rotate with low groundspeed at end of runway.

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

@Steven-p4j Maybe with the variable wing, they thought it was in the best place. Maybe easy looking back with hindsight. Other things about the aircraft they understood fully and were innotive.

[@Deviation4360]

Thank you for extrapolating on a design mentioned in your last video. I think ultimately the tailplane would have had to have been relocated to the lowest possible ventral position and perhaps endplate fins explored. Or simply copy Westland with there Wendover tail but for very different reasons. The wing fold design would have to be chaged also, with any Supermarine Swank it had all slowly going the way of a Blackburn creation.

[@kidmohair8151]

another of the aircraft that were supposed to replace the Swordfish? which, for reasons only known to the gods of aviation, outlasted them all.

[@uingaeoc3905]

The true replacement for the Swordfish was the Gannet.

[@TankBuilders]

Not so - the Barracuda remained in service until 1957.

[@uingaeoc3905]

@@TankBuilders Not as an ASW platform.

[@kidmohair8151]

@@uingaeoc3905 it definitely wasn't the applecore (Albacore, for those unaware of the nickname)

[@johnjephcote7636]

Not a very wide track undercart.

[@RichardCummins-ni4em]

Speak slower please, this would allow more careful pronunciation, I speak English as my native language but have no idea what "orcor" wing skinning is.

[@ivancho5854]

It may help if you try to reduce the speed and turn on captions. Everyone will find particular accents or speech patterns difficult and it is empowering to be able to solve a problem yourself rather than relying on others to adapt to you. I have hearing problems and if I expect the world to adapt to me then I will be waiting a very long time. 😉 All the best Richard, from a soggy, grey and miserable Scotland. 😁👍

[@RichardCummins-ni4em]

@@ivancho5854 Cheers Mate, all the best from Australia, we are predicted to have a sunny 38 deg C day on Wednesday.

[@ivancho5854]

@@RichardCummins-ni4em Wow, 38°C!!! I could take that when I was younger without a/c, but now that is my idea of hell. 🔥🥵🔥 I'll take grey drizzle and grow webbed feet thanks. 🤣☂️

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

& www.youtube.com/@RichardCummins-ni4em A vast majority a happy with what I produce. I can't help the way I speak. I will take on board criticism. This one I did do it a bit quick. That does come down to editing as well. But I am happy with it. Pronunciation is always an issue & foreign words always a problem. I do get stuff wrong. Can't please everyone. I personally like the different way people speak. Better than AI voicing it.! I will keep it in mind about deaf people I don't get paid and do this all for free. Most people who take the time to comment have something of value to say...very very few don't run a channel or produce, but hit the keyboard only with JUST negative stuff. - That is a general comment on YT & Social Media.

[@talesfromthehutandhangar]

Oh..it is grey & dark here in Somerset England