Supernatural 6x11 "Appointment in Samarra" - Dean Talks with Death

SPOILERS FOR SUPERNATURAL SEASON SIX.
Death is my favorite minor character on the series. This guy is always awesome, and routinely scares the piss out of Dean Winchester.

[@puffpuffpassmako]

"Heavier than it looks" This right here is why death gets so much respect. Not only is he pretty much omnipotent, but he's seen it all. Every rape death, every war death, every death from an abusive household, every mugging, every drowning, every torture. He's seen every single one of them. Its why he's so emotionally numb and...calm. Nothing phases him when he's seen ALL of humanity's evil since time was even a thing. Imo Dean got off easy with the little girl with the sickness. Imagine if Death gave him one where a child was in an abusive household and he couldn't do anything but watch. It would break him mentally. Death never rigged Dean's test. Absolutely none of us would be able to pass it

[@GuidingOlive]

Yeah, Dean spouts off "it was rigged from the beginning" and honestly he's right. But it's not Death who did the rigging. It was humanity that did it. So Dean gets to see behind the curtain for a day and with barely a glance he doesn't quite understand that this wasn't Death rigging it against him. If anything, Death was being nice and picking a day where not a lot of bad happened.

[@RobCrowley85]

I used to think Death did rig it to teach Dean a lesson, but it does occur to me that Death wouldn't have to deny it because Dean couldn't do anything about it anyway. I now think it's more that Death knew Dean would try to stop it and fuck up, but had faith that Dean would then learn his lesson and fix it. Not rigging the test, just knowing the likely outcome because Dean fixing it in the end after learning his lesson WAS the test.

[@Agent-57]

Soulless Sam would pass. Any Sociopath would pass.

[@RobCrowley85]

@@Agent-57 Not exactly. They wouldn't care, they'd just do it. The point was for Dean to actually respect the natural order more than he had been.

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

Actually, Dean could have gotten involved in an abusive household scene and messed up the order even more. The rule wasn’t he couldn’t interact with people, the rule is that while wearing that ring, when he touches someone they died right? So girl getting beaten by the dad, and Dean touches the dad and kills him. Then girl ends up in foster care, and the next parent is even worse. Sexual abuse, not feeding her, things can always get worse. Just ask anyone who’s lived in foster care.

[@oliverlee6366]

is it just me or death has this father figure vibe in him.. u know likes cheap food.. cleans ur mess, lectures u...

[@jakelam6647]

Death did a great job teaching Dean a lesson about what happens if you mess around with the natural order.

[@ogilongnose1115]

I always thought him and Dean had a type of father and son/ mentor and student type of relationship with a glimpse of friendship and caring for each other.

[@austinnoliphant]

Probably the father of all reapers

[@parinikasharma317]

I love how the second Dean starts getting comfortable with Death's somewhat paternal demeanor, Death snatches it right back.

[@ShadowsGathered]

"Most people speak to me with more respect." I'll bet they do!

[@seanj565]

You could just tell Dean knew he messed up there by his reaction.

[@shalommercedmontes4795]

Lol

[@jptheflipper3825]

Am I the only one who thinks that this is a rather sweet scene in its own way. Death bringing dean a bacon dog and beer and does the "dad chat" of trying to get dean to learn something from his day as death. And even Death expressing some weariness of having to do what he does. Death is sick of death, who'd think it?

[@callianr6980]

JP The Flipper Well, anyone who's read The Book Thief, for one.

[@markroman7827]

I wonder did death pay for those bacon dogs

[@mikebison9838]

Killing EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG!!! HAVING NO REMORSE, PITY, CANNOT EVER BE BARGAINED WITH AND….Being all alone. Yeah. I would grow VERY weary 😮‍💨 of it too.

[@FATE522]

I don't think it's so much that he is sick of death, it's more so he's sick of Sam and Dean wrecking the natural order and Castiel manipulating souls as a power source for power.

[@praesidium4278]

@@FATE522 death doesn’t even care about the natural order only that woman reaper

[@arielfetters5662]

Lucifer: "Dean, do what I say!" Dean: "Screw you!" Lilith: "Dean, come to the dark side, it has nymphomaniacs!" Dean: "Nice try but hell no!" God: "Sup?" Dean: "Bite me you sociopathic asshat!" Death: "Sit." Dean: "Yessir." :D The way I see this scene is Dean finally realizing how badly he screws things up without giving a damn so Death said "You think it's so easy? Here, give it a shot." And when Dean gets back Death's like "Not so fun wearing the big boy pants, is it?"

[@mrinalino]

"bite me you sociopath asshat" iconic :D

[@Thatslifebro_]

Oh Death will be pissed once he is back. I think he did not find it entertaining to be stabbed by his own weapon, and Dean has the asskicking of his life coming for him.

[@pepethefrog6809]

@@Thatslifebro_ I don't think Death would be as to be one who holds grudges. If he does then he would've slain Lucifer just for binding him. Although, I'm really quite disappointed that they didn't bring back Julian Richings.

[@avthendiarie9955]

@@Thatslifebro_ my dad think death want as he not dead just on vacction because he tried of god bs

[@Nacturl]

"SIT", Amazing

[@CrossStarX]

when dean said "I'm sorry" it looked like he was gonna piss himself XD

[@31misscherry]

Julian has a superb pronunciation! And when he says sit! you better sit! XD

[@jptheflipper3825]

I can't help but notice that Death seems different in this scene, he seems somewhat less menacing and more wise and almost caring towards Dean, almost without he's usual level of disdain.

[@kirklanyoshinaga8953]

JP The Flipper that ends when dean back talks him. 😁

[@gee_asper9606]

I'm sure Death is curious about Dean's decisions and such. Also he was Death for eternity up until his own death. I'm sure having a one day break was pleasant

[@SevereArtisan]

I think it's because, as Death put it, Dean learned an important lesson about what goes on "behind the scenes".

[@puffpuffpassmako]

I say its cause Death is trying to tell Dean how being Death isn't easy at all. Death has seen everything, and any person who did Death's job would mentally break from the horrors they see. Death is so old and has seen so much that he's numb to what he sees, and wants Dean to see what it's like through a normal person's eyes.

[@BREAKocean]

He had the ring off for those days Dean had it on.

[@ReyaitheShadowWolf]

That's why Death eats all that fast food... he's hardly anything but skin and bones!

[@owtena]

ReyaitheShadowWolf I think Death is sponsor and inventor of fast food :DDDD

[@Governor2310]

Someone on made a comment on another spn video that basically said "death likes fast food because many people die from it and death must think if they're willing to die for it then it must be really good".

[@ladymafia7010]

@@Governor2310 correct honey

[@kevindavis5966]

Well it can't kill him, so... why not?

[@maghands1]

Death is my Favorite character

[@TheZengolem]

i miss Death....(can´t believe i actually said that)

[@johanharmse1789]

German Martinez only in Supernatural can you say that and not sound weird. To those in the fandom, that is.

[@God-hr9tm]

*Lmfao, we kill death on exactly 3014*

[@johnbanks4761]

the real DEATH..not this version of DEATH now

[@Greendalewitch]

@@God-hr9tm 3014?

[@alecpowers8591]

Wel technically you never said anything so you good

[@manuelp6791]

Dean: at least have the balls to admit it was rigged from the start Death: most people speak to me with respect Dean: I didn’t mean it 😂 I love it

[@mrreyes5004]

@@theraven.4 Agreed, no mortal could do Death's job - extinguishing the lives of thousands or millions of different people every day - without completely going insane. Dean should've known from the get-go that no mortal can do an immortal's job.

[@JR-vi4rl]

Death was the most powerful of all the "monsters," but the only one who brought Dean lunch.

[@Xerock]

Death: "you'll understand when you need to." Also Death: "I warned you about those souls, how long ago? Long enough to stop that fool."

[@lifevlog6216]

I love how dean and death have a friendship of enjoying food

[@amberxv4777]

S10 finale. Friendship ended with Death, Sam is new only friend

[@SeraphSeph]

It must be so hard to eat with death just sitting there. Jesus thats intimidating.

[@gsutton78]

Man, I wish they had shown Death stare down 2 archangels and break Sam out of the Cage. That had to be awesome!

[@gsutton78]

meaturama nah, he ain't beating Death. How do you think he got Sam's soul so easily?

[@kingmoreno20]

meaturama lucifer would have gotten his ass handed to him had he tried to even smirk at death.

[@ramdato5196]

meaturama You do realize that he is the top dog of the Verse alongside God, Amara and Cosmic Entity? No archangel can kill Death.

[@lukesanroman9264]

meaturama nope, Death can annihilate him effortlessly he is a primordial Entity, the high level. The only one who matches his power is God and the only one who is probably more powerful than him is Amara, but that wasnt tested

[@theanarchy4003]

God damn yeah

[@lemondeestloeuvredunenfant4633]

The behaviour of Death recalls a bit Hades in greek mythology who was probably the most benevolent and fair god in the Pantheon towards Humanity.

[@SeraphSeph]

Its just his job. Everything dies, everything finds peace, everything has an end. He knows how scared everyone is when it all ends and hoe they feel. He seems cold but its more of an understanding.

[@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal]

In practice yes however death is more of a entity with a personality Hades is a personality with a job

[@lemondeestloeuvredunenfant4633]

@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal I'm totally agree with you and that's the reason for which I had during a time attempted to convince some fans on KZbin the Death of Julian Richings were in fact the same entity. Billie would be become "Death" in taking in her not only its power, becoming his "replacement", but its "essence". That's why I think the theory "Death(Julian Richings) could come back of the Empty at a moment of another" is flawed, because "all" which made the "individuality" of the character is passed in Billie's vessel, as a sort of "collective consciousness"(several incarnations sharing the same body).

[@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal]

@@lemondeestloeuvredunenfant4633 I personally like to think that death isn't dead but instead is using Billie to better get his plan across to the boys

[@kevindavis5966]

Death remained remarkably calm for being snarked at by a protozoa.

[@tiffles3890]

When Death tells you "join me". Shit bricks.

[@brucelamberton8819]

They should never have got rid of Julian Richings as Death, the reaper Billie was a feeble replacement.

[@Sleeper_15]

I like how Dean Isn’t scared Of Lucifer, Michael, God but he is a little frightened of death😂

[@callanflanagan8706]

I'm sorry, a "little" scared, Dean practically shits his pants every time he meets Death and laughs in the face of the other celestial beings he's faced.

[@roleemack1535]

​@callanflanagan8706 plus its "Death" can be a force entity person something death is something our minds can't comprehend until we reach our "end"

[@CobraOrochi]

When Death tells you to sit, you sit

[@HM4Hill]

Lucifer Abbadon Crowley Lilith Metatron Gabriel Michael Raphael Azazel Castiel the other horsemen etc all aint got shit on Death. He's the only guy whose ever made Dean literally sit down and shut up haha

[@HaroldDavidsonUS]

I swear, I read, "Crowley, Lilith, Megatron..." Wait, Megatron?

[@HM4Hill]

lol I reread it just to make sure I was right and I read it as megatron at first haha although Megatron is still less scary than death

[@MyoclonicJerkCough]

I mixed up his name and called him Megatron even when playing SMT: Nocturne. He should just change his name

[@katrinajade8850]

O.G. Loki lol respect

[@lowkey6971]

O.G. Loki your right but the arc angel Gabe aka loki screwed with him a lot

[@Book7BrokeMyBrain]

Aww! Death brought Dean an awesome hot dog all the way from California. I hope he enjoyed it. I love Death. He's on eof my favorite characters on the show. Julian Richings is almost too big for the room.

[@Cloudsanin]

I know this is a show and he isnt really Death....but he scares me, but he plays Death so well!! :D

[@blackhalk909]

Carlos Valladares your a fucking unit

[@Cloudsanin]

im a what??

[@Governor2310]

@@Cloudsanin a unit and a thumping good and I'd wager. Once you've trained up a little.

[@davidmouzayek3764]

Carlos Valladares he really does. And fucknuckles like the guys that commented before wouldn’t stand a chance cause they know no respect

[@Governor2310]

David Mouzayek hey I was just making a joke by making a reference to a line from Harry potter

[@gobxxx]

Death - likes cheap food and hates to be a janitor.

[@josephmort4039]

I love seeing Dean actually scared. Death is the only thing that has ever made Dean shake.

[@Dnbray]

You would think death never has to eat but he certainly loves his food

[@handbanana4899]

RIP Death, best cosmic entity on the show ;_;

[@Watcherofprovidence]

This scene actually shows that Death actually does have empathy. He sympathizes with Dean here because he knows how much he values innocent lives other than his own. I mean he got a lethal injection just to talk to him about getting his brother’s soul back. Death wanted him to understand how impermanent ALL life was including his. He did it because he actually liked Dean. He certainly wouldn’t bother with anyone or anything that has no interest to him. Dean was so determined to fix everything except himself that Death decided to give him something that would keep him on his mission to protect the world.

[@Sean_Last1995]

something people need to understand Dean does what Death says because he is death he could end his life with a snap of his fingers ask yourselves would you sass a man who had control over your life one single insult to him and you'd be dead before you uttered the words.

[@blessings1015]

Death has a soft father type spot for only dean

[@AZTH270]

Nah for Dean and Sam

[@BlackSkullArmor]

I would be so down with having Death drop in at random with the best junk food from around the world

[@emilymatthews2990]

Me too.

[@matthewlloyd9718]

I love how they bring him pickle fries when they summon him lol.

[@hexmaster23]

Anyone else just get the feeling that Death just wants to retire and give the ring to someone else?

[@CoffeyCup79]

i love how Death and Dean have the same appetite in food lol

[@blessings1015]

It’s oddly satisfying every time death eats in this show?! Lmao 🤣

[@stephenbrake7424]

I feel like this iteration of Death, the OG Death, was the only entity in the entire series that Dean genuinely feared and respected.

[@loveinspired7]

For some reason, I really liked him as Death.

[@webster7222]

"Sit" Sir yes sir

[@ReyaitheShadowWolf]

I would have a meal and a casual conversation with Death. Seems like a very swell guy, that Grim Reaper. ^^

[@IPreciousMemoriesI]

I think it's because no one else ever dared to talk to them the way Dean does. It must make them curious that something as insignificant as a little human can behave that way, while they're easily able to crash him :P

[@ajdominguez1002]

Well, when you can kill angels, demons, and other deities, it gets to your head. Yet, it's different when you talk to an entity of the universe; one that has probably seen many Big Bangs of universes...

[@easyriderrider4580]

I wish the producer's of the show at the time actually delivered on the "Soul's Are Important" talk. It seemed like that was going to be a much bigger, story line arc than what they ended up doing at the end of the season. What Exactly was So Important About the Soul's, that death needed to know about "Something" about them?? :)

[@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal]

The souls in purgatory and how they made castiel god

[@neuromancer8796]

he was aware that someone is looking for the souls for himself and we find out in the end it was castiel and crowley all along so he pushed dean to dig because he know they can stop it, as he said they are in the frontline of the natural order

[@dealinginfiction]

I don't know why. But if Dean hadn't killed this Death. I think that Dean would have become Death apprentice and eventually when Dean eventually did for good, Death would have offered him a job.

[@McDaddyDab]

Best characterization of Death in TV or Movies ever and Ill stand by it. Julian Richings is by all accounts a totally unassuming and not very physically imposing person, But, there is never a time when he's speaking where you're not compelled to listen to every word. This character is what people unconsciously think of when they try to conceptualize Death as an entity. Calm and astute, but his words carry a ton of weight and purpose and with the tiniest shade of malice. Absolutely perfect cast and character

[@clashwithbunniesandrewsava4846]

I think the reason Sam and Dean never really die permanently is because God willed it. They were his favorite story, so of course he would make sure they don't just die.

[@happyfatherof5164]

Dean: i didn't mean.... Death: We are done here 😙

[@devoncones7146]

He was not having it Lmao😂😂😂😂😂

[@dominiquetits8605]

Death is almost the same as dragonball Super God of destruction Lord Beerus. Always eating, not evil or good. Just the balancer of the universe.

[@bartekszczerbiak1417]

Death is the beast character in show. After brothers of course.

[@crypticpainter7643]

I have always been creeped out by this scene. 😦

[@lonelyrebel_]

Death says "sit" with that emphasis of the "t" in the end. Sends that "oh fuck i better seat" vibe

[@ss04to06]

Despite Death's power and fearsome nature, he was scared of The Darkness.

[@Vanerov]

He wasn't scared of The Darkness, he was scared of the outcome, he knew that if The Darkness were released, she'd do chaotic things, a thing that affects The Natural Order and many others to get her brother God's attention.

[@hanscascante7933]

Why does Dean have to make Death use his serious voice, I mean he was all nice, even brought him a bacon dog to cheer him up, yet the motherfucker still makes him get serious, like dammit Dean just sit when he points at a goddam chair

[@MrSlinkerman]

For the most powerful character to be seen in the show, Death has one terrible poker face.

[@DamontheDemon7]

I love how Desth is the ONLY character that actually scares the shit out of Dean! That he's the only character that he CAN'T treat like dirt and get away with it! Dean has everyone else wrapped around his finger, especially the women, because they're either in love with him like Castiel or feel sorry for him like his doormat of a brother. Even the Darkness, the most powerful being in the universe, has become his bitch! But Death? When Death is involved, Dean has to be careful NOT to talk trash!

[@Chiwalker]

Only Death can get Dean scared just by a simple look, not vampires, not ghouls, not demons, not angels, not even Lucifer or Chuck, but only Death, and more specifically, this Death.

[@Pumpkin525]

2:51 Dean going from angry to scared

[@nikssscruz_08]

I'm still not over why they killed this Death. He should've lasted until the end of this show.

[@mitalisharma440]

this is some legendary revelations, death is an icon. this story is too much to process

[@uncletaylorify]

I always LOVED how no matter how tough or dangerous the monster was Dean always lipped off at them and was brave. But as soon as Death shows up from time-to-time he is timid, stammering and with his head down.

[@Williameagleblanket]

This Death, and the one in AHS- Asylum are awesome. ☠️💀

[@MaDmAnMaRK]

I miss him

[@s0d100]

What would you do if Death was sitting at your table and asked you to join him

[@barrydalton4743]

Sit down and enjoy my last meal with him.

[@CoolsBreeze]

It's funny if the soul was such a valuable ressource you'd think that we would have some form of powers equivalent to Angels to help defend it against demons.

[@nwojunkie]

its more metaphysical than actual power.

[@BettyBo-zg1ok]

To think even Death gets tired of his job.

[@scruffyIII]

Did anyone else notice that at the very beginning of this clip, DEATH actually had his ring on and then as the clips follow, it was off?

[@rkmugen]

Can't wait to see Death square off with Cas in season 7!

[@M6RC6N]

supernatural got to bring back death on season 10

[@M6RC6N]

504gab Yeh they did but they killed him in the most stupid way ..

[@M6RC6N]

504gab Yeh they did but they killed him in the most stupid way ..

[@lorderik237]

0:50 I'm guessing Death was referring to the heavy burden placed on the user of the ring, not its actual physical weight?

[@sirtownsy2362]

+lorderik237 Yeah, pretty much.

[@tsipher]

gotta love metaphors

[@kingcrimson1467]

lorderik237 So wait is Death feel saddened by his job?

[@scottwpilgrim]

@@kingcrimson1467 after eternity of reaping souls that didn't deserve it, even a rock would feel bad about death's job. He's not the one killing people, but he is the one collecting and comforting/punishing them.

[@kingcrimson1467]

Scott W Pilgrim That and sheer responsibility of it, I would be so pissed at the boys for how much they wreck the natural order

[@macdege6754]

When I first watched this scene, I thought that somehow, Death would die and Dean would take his place.

[@fuckel98]

always loved this scene for a plethora of reasons. not the least of which is we get to see Dean genuinely cowed and intimidated. Not knocking Dean at all, i mean it IS Death. just that he has faced so much danger and death with such fearlessness that seeing him like this is a stark contrast to his normal, "i don't care who or what you are, screw you" type of attitude. the living embodiment of death, one of the extreme few able to genuinely humble Dean. that alone is a feat lol

[@captaincoffeecake3595]

It’s amazing and scary that death is a foody

[@SavageSquishy86]

Death can be pretty charming... huh.

[@JessesUniverse]

Well when Sam and Adam went into the trap and the ground closed the rings were right there. Dean just kept them, and in the beginning of this episode when Dean and Death were talking about making the deal, Dean did mention about how he had his ring.

[@cecilharmon1832]

Completely awesome

[@halvors9236]

Death is fun to say, my favoritts its Dean, Castiel, Death, sam but death is one of the greatest eating junkfood and commanding dean to sit 😅😅😅😅

[@RedJoker9000]

At 0:29, when first seeing this scene like (a decade ago, wow), I literally thought Death was calling Dean "Shit" and not telling him to "Sit". I loved Death as a character. Amazing job done. Also, felt awesome that the first location you see death was the city I grew up in. The walk in Chicago with "Oh Death" was amazing and baddass. Wanted that bacon dog to eat. At least I got deep dish. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJTVfn6mgd1qqJo (death walk in Chicago)

[@Marco.91]

Why do i get the feeling when Death is talking about souls its going to tie in to the final season in some way.... I can almost guarantee that the original Death will return in the finale

[@Crow453]

Because he really doesn't NEED one.

[@Oldironforge2]

Sometimes you just want the thing off..... BUT YOU KNOW THAT!!!

[@vexxama]

I’m with death on this. He agreed to be death, and hadn’t fully understood how even its spread can be. The good, bad, young, old, healthy, sick. His task was simple. Kill them when their time came and stay detached. But when emotions came into it he was conflicted. Dean wasn’t impartial, he judged who should live and die, whereas death just claims them all. Apart from the disrespect I think that’s why he was so annoyed, he gave him a task and he failed it not because it was rigged but because he simply didn’t succeed because of his own actions.

[@Skyebright1]

I wish death would turn up again :)

[@SJ_RANKS]

What did they do with war,famine and pestilence’ rings what did they burn them or were they buried along with death’s ring Edit: I spelt were with where

[@kingofgames1220]

I kinda want to see Death hang out with the boys more.

[@tsipher]

Death sure does know good food, doesn't he know that stuff will kill him? lol

[@Averywhitehall]

I think Death likes Dean as much as he’s capable of liking any human

[@nataliee.parker2873]

Favorite thing about Julian Riching's work on this show? Of fucking course Death would have a transatlantic accent!

[@MyoclonicJerkCough]

2:30 is Death drinking beer?

[@ZephyrBW]

Just talking to Dean versus Sam you can see the difference. Jean is more hardened and doesn’t want to except some stuff but Sam would’ve accepted his own loses. When death talks to Dean I can’t help but feel there’s a level of trying open the eyes of ‘don’t throw your life away so easily because it’s more valuable then you can do ever know or understand.’

[@floralolita213]

Really makes you wonder high up Dean and Sam really are up in ranks almost like even Death knew everything that was going to happen from the two of them he most likely even knew they were going to reap him. Almost seems like the two were being groomed to become cosmic

[@Carloss80k]

dean is a bold one. couldnt been me😮‍💨

[@adriansepulveda9452]

Who would have thought death was a foodie.

[@altinaykor364]

I wonder if the original Death had a thing for Dean!the way Billie acts right now,it's so clear that she does!but the original Death,he kept saying Dean is rude and he and his brother are like this or like that!but,while he actually can kill Dean whenever he wants,he doesn't do(maybe it's because of the books or some prophecy)and he could screw in Dean's works whenever he wants!especially when Dean literally captured him,but he didn't!he helped him in both the apocalypse and Godstiel's case without even a little punishment(that was the thing which he really could do!something Billie did before becoming death)and bringing him the foods which he loves😁and even eat the food which Dean made with pleasure😁I'm really wonder!because unlike Billie he more tries to be mysterious but in the end acts as opposite of his behavior😁😁😁

[@giulianodalterio771]

When death said to dean it's about the souls it's because try to warn about Crowley and Cas on the purgatory souls

[@snusnubot9004]

Dean: Wait! is this wall thing really going to work? Death: >.> eh 75%

[@Xerock]

Understand when you need to. Same guy, who in the next season chewed Sam and Dean out for not understanding sooner. Death is cool and all, but damn did he deserve a gibbs slap for that one.

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

I would like Neil Gaiman and Eric Kripke have a crossover with death meeting each other. And as well bringing back Death

[@JessesUniverse]

Yea, and I remember The Horsemen Pestilence wasn't too happy about what Sam and Dean did to the first 2 Horsemen, and those 3 were causing trouble. Death was more like eh, yea it sucks what happened to them but I'm not going to make a big fuss about it. As far as the other rings, we never really found out. All we know is that he gave Death HIS ring back but we never knew what happened with the other 3.