SuperPythagorean Temperament Tutorial

[@devenerdman4370]

Wow. I know less about music than I thought

[@stephenweigel]

The multitap effect on that organ is janking my ears! 😂 This is a great video, though! Great ways to think about superpyth all in a nutshell. So I guess for a pure major third, your perfect fifth would have to be ~709.6, close to what 22edo does for you.

[@JLMoriart]

Oops haha thanks for the heads up. And yes sir! I do that math in the upper right of the video solving 9x-1200*5=386 for x =)

[@spacevspitch4028]

Yeah, I say next time just use a sawtooth without any effects or any harmonic-rich timbre that can emphasize the smoothness or roughness of the harmonies in a particular tuning.

[@microtonessynthofficial2028]

Want to play with some superpyth, so im here

[@JLMoriart]

Righteous! Did you end up making any superpyth music? =)

[@Xolin11]

How did I just become curious about this term and somehow find this complex video uploaded today

[@JLMoriart]

Spoooky =P

[@MusicalArtizanProductions]

microtonal music !! I have no chance in musescore!!! Sibelius is too expensive for me!!!

[@JLMoriart]

Yes, I hate how programs like sibelius are priced so high. I'm waiting for the open source takeover when software companies are put out of business by the sheer momentum of a connected world full of coders who want to build cool things, and actually do it better than a single company with a single vision ever could... but that day may be a little ways off =P

[@MusicalArtizanProductions]

@@JLMoriart found a microtonal plugin for musescore soundcloud.com/musical_artizan/sets/eastern-feel-music

[@MusicalArtizanProductions]

github.com/euwbah/musescore-31-tet-plugin

[@spacevspitch4028]

Man, all I can understand is to have X-edo and list how close each step is to various ratios of the harmonic series. Anything but the most basic understanding of any temperament confounds me. Like when you mention 7:4 and 11:8. What edo are we talking about here?

[@JLMoriart]

The tuning examples in the video are in 22-edo, and the JI labels are what the "mapping" says the intervals are representing.. Kowing how many steps get you to the ratios of the harmonic series is actually more specific than the ideas behind this video. 22 is just one tuning in a whole family of tunings where going up 9 of that tuning's approximation of 3:2 ("fifths") gets you to a good approximation of 5:4. And, even though they may have totally different h numbers of notes, those different Pythagorean things will all support similar scale structures, because they all have circles of fifths. (There are fun and powerful ways to formalize those ideas mathematically (and I'm really only cursorily aware of the maths myself), but it's probably not necessary to get a feel for this "paradigm".) Does that help, or just make it more confusing? =P Let me know!

[@spacevspitch4028]

@@JLMoriart It doesn't make it more confusing. It's just that you can randomly pick an equal division of the octave and look at how many cents each step is and compare that to how many cents this or that integer ratio is and you've got an idea of what that equal temperament can do. Without even going through the rigamarole of worrying about what commas are being "tempered out" or whether 4/3 squared = 7/4 in "X" temperament (is that "Porcupine"?). Sometimes I REALLY wish I understood that stuff and browse the internet looking for explanations and I ask questions and get lots of information but no feeling of understanding. Then I also think...for my own musical goals, that kind of stuff, so far, hasn't been so useful. Like, I just wanna know how close X edo is to this or that limit. Can I get an 8:9:10:11 tetrad that has that sweet JI "buzz" to it? 72edo does a decent job of it but then I can't get 13-limit very well there and the 5ths follow the same 12edo cycle and you don't get accurate 81/80 comma drifts like in 53edo. 87edo fairs better to an extent but again, inaccurate syntonic comma. That kind of thing. Then I'm like...I just need to compose in pure JI. But I spent 20 years developing absolute pitch for 12 edo. What a waste!