REVIEW! The Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lite should probably cost MORE

[@SuperReview]

vs. Aful Performer5, how to wear unvented IEMs, and looking at graphs in the audience Q&A 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGfYdZiviL58p9E

[@geegAnim]

vs blessing 2?

[@shabtabq]

+1 compared to Aful and B2 which is best techinally

[@INSIGHT_D]

​@@shabtabqobviously b2 dusk

[@miltonwilliams2399]

What eartips do you recommend for the them.

[@christoph9510]

Thank you so much for this. I was ready to pull the trigger on these and then I came across this. No one else in any of the other reviews I read or watched brought up that they were unvented. My second choice was $100 less so I'm sure I'll be happier and have an extra $100 because of you. Thanks again

[@saumyasharma9993]

Hey why do you think ventless are not worth buying? Can u explain, I'm new to iems

[@christoph9510]

@@saumyasharma9993 it creates a more plugged, pressurized feel. It's less important on an all balanced armature set though because they don't move air like dynamic drivers.

[@Dubulcle]

Just buy different eartips lol

[@christoph9510]

@@Dubulcle eartips won't suddenly make iems vented

[@Dubulcle]

@@christoph9510 Are you slow? The eartip is probably the thing that matters most.

[@kzr83]

Super Mark, THANK YOU for this review. I had lusted after an SA6 for a while but, thanks to you, I got the Orchestra Lite a couple weeks ago. I'm over the moon. I'm just listening for enjoyment like most (not pro use) and I don't feel like I want any more or any less of bass, mids or treble. The treble is gentle but the IEM doesn't sound muffled to me. I absolutely LOVE it. This could be end game for me personally 😱🤯

[@SuperReview]

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[@Global_Audio_Liberation]

It is amazing how budget IEMs come so far these days because I just got mine and they blew my old sub $1000 flagship IEMs Solaris and Andromeda in imaging and resolution not bad at all whoa Only complaint is mild BA timbre on some songs and weak bass but will hold on to these until I get my Anole V14

[@Wingedmagician]

Kiwi lite and Aful p5 at the top of my wishlist

[@zhanurdos]

A5 overhyped mid, bquyz winter try

[@arsenromanyuk877]

aful have ugly sound

[@castillo4141]

Don’t know about that, I have de P5 and sound great to me, but I have heard that set have lots of unit differences.

[@audiophanatic4331]

I have the Aful and I promise you it’s not overhyped. It’s as neutral as it gets for a IEM. Will play the recording accurately with no boosted bass or treble. But if the track has heavy bass or treble you will hear how it was meant to be heard through the Performer 5.

[@sochalant8056]

I thought abt both but decided to just get a used b2, caught mine for 209 but 225 with shipping and tax and not dissapointed.

[@raulhidalgo-sacoto8674]

Comparing the frequency response with the Dunu Titan S, I found they are very similar in term of tuning. I wonder how good of an upgrade the Kiwi lite might be for more than double the price. Great video!

[@lnbabz]

Nice these are definitely some iems that caught my interest!

[@EvanPilb]

I've enjoyed listening through them

[@mokisan]

The iem looks like something I might like.

[@darcycraig58]

I reqlly enjoy your reviews and especially the fit and comfort element you add, since i apparently have smaller ears than normal. Not that most iems would fit but that they either wouldn't stay in or would be painful for long listening. I would have thought these would cause discomfort for long listening periods.

[@joepayne5697]

Great review as always! Galileo review when?

[@SuperReview]

It's coming 👍

[@Blakeoffire]

I've been eyeing up the Truthear Hexa over the past few months now (your review of it was excellent, by the way) and it sounds like it's one of those IEMs that punches/performs above its $80-$100 price range... Another one that's caught my attention is the Aful Performer5 - obviously in the higher $250 range - and now this Orchestra Lite has me interested as well... My question is: Do you think the $250 Performer5 and Orchestra Lite perform, overall, markedly better than the Hexa ? Or would I be 'losing out' on $170-worth of justified excellence if I went with Hexa ? Thanks !

[@SuperReview]

Those three are all good enough that you're missing out no matter what you choose -- but not in some linear good-better-best way, but in a all-good-in-different-ways sorta way. Performer5 and Orchestra Lite are a little bassier than Hexa.

[@User-s2f3s]

You can add by EQ extra 1db's for Hexa in 60, 120, 2000 Hz and do not spend extra $150

[@iggyburton2679]

Thanks for the review Seems like a good set, almost pushing my iem budget limit😅 Would like to try them. Will you be reviewing the Simgot AE500’s anytime soon? Look forward to your next review 😊👍🏼

[@deadline7610]

Nicely Done. I think in your part ll video you reveal the size of the nozzle/bore without tips and talk a little about it . Fit is key on any iem. Just a suggestion to include in all your reviews :) You also talked about the Audio Hekili . Does it still stand up over a year latter ? (sadly no lip on the nozzle) Thanks

[@paulosilva8200]

I was thinking that pressure is only for dd drivers because they required air and ba don't.

[@andreasschwarz4908]

nice shirt color matching.

[@moonsofjupiter]

Nice review. You're one of the reasons i have the Symphonium Meteors all BA set, and love them. How do these compare to those?

[@SuperReview]

Meteor is a warmer and thicker sound than Orchestra Lite, more emphasis on vocal in OLite though it's still fairly relaxed. Technical performance between them is similar.

[@drewrobitaille7989]

How do these compare to heavy hitters in the same price range like Moondrop Blessing 2 or 7hz Timeless?

[@timvalimaki3890]

I too wonder

[@rovanmohammed6995]

I have the blessing 2 , and I think it's not that good 7hz or kiwi would be much better

[@outdawayyy887]

Love the content brother! Are these IEM’s good for gaming? Hearing footsteps etc

[@SuperReview]

Imaging is not their strength.

[@pwn3426]

@@SuperReview you see he says this but i have heard from many other sources that it is a major strength for these IEMS.....

[@rialdoroeloffze628]

How do these compare to the symphonium audio meteor?🤔

[@SuperReview]

Meteor is much warmer, bassier sound. Similar on the incisiveness / separation between sounds.

[@rialdoroeloffze628]

@@SuperReview Damn that's interesting because even Meteor has been touted as having some great technicals for the driver config and the tuning. I think I might be underestimating the technicals of the Orchestra Lite.

[@Slippinjimmy12]

How are these when compared to the Quintet and which one would be a better purchase if I am upgrading from the Cadenza?

[@KelvinKamsg]

Thanks for the review, any link to the after review discussion?

[@SuperReview]

Woops! kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGfYdZiviL58p9E

[@eduardobonifaz]

Great video! Just subscribed. I need advice here. Im entering the audiophile world. My very initial setup is, Phillips SHP 9600 headphones and also, as a DAC the FiioQ3, Im very pleased so far. Im thinkig about this IEMs, my questions are: is it recommended to use my FiioQ3? Or do you suggestt another dac? And the most important question would be, comoaring to my set up, how this monitors would change my experience with music?

[@SuperReview]

Fiio Q3 should work fine for most things. Basically just need to consider (a) max output power, (b) noise floor / hiss, and (c) output impedance. (b) and (c) are mostly an issue for IEMs, but the Q3 is pretty good there. As for the second question, I don't know how to answer. IEMs will be different than headphones. Explaining how is hard vs. just listening to them.

[@eduardobonifaz]

@ thanks for the advice! I will give them a try. You have an excellent channel with great videos, keep up this amazing work!

[@matusjurcik6974]

Hi Mark 😊 when BAs are not synchronized well they tend to have that BA smear/haze (truthear hexa). Some hint of this problem in the orchestra lite?

[@SuperReview]

That's not something I have any way to measure or otherwise know is happening, so I just describe what I hear.

[@BTN454]

Hi, I am very new to iem world but can I ask how these perform vs a airpods pro 2? Thanks

[@carlos2004]

I saw there are 2 squigs for the orchestra lite. The second one seems really off. Is that a defective unit?

[@SuperReview]

It is indeed a defective unit.

[@allen0088]

How does it compare to a massdrop zuse?

[@jamesbush2720]

Nice review!

[@SuperReview]

Thanks ✌️

[@noobsarecool1]

are those the stock tips?

[@SuperReview]

The tips on the table are stock tips, the tips on the IEM are Fiio tips.

[@PuenteLatino]

Would you recommend this for a musician using it on stage, specially a singer?

[@SuperReview]

Please don't post the same comment multiple times. I'm not a singer so I don't know your requirements. It sounds good and it will stay in place, as will the others you asked about.

[@anmolsaxena_]

Orchestra lite or Quintet?

[@richardlawson762]

Been really digging these! It’s my first all BA set. The Moondrop S8 seems to have the same tuning with slightly more sub-bass and treble air. Is the S8 a substantial upgrade to the Orchestra Lite?

[@SuperReview]

S8 is a thinner, lighter, brighter sound, IMO it's much stronger in imaging width and definition.

[@richardlawson762]

Interesting, I get a lot of mileage out of the laidback, warm-neutral presentation of the Orchestra lite, but I would love to get my hands on the S8 for the improved definition & techs. Thanks for the response!@@SuperReview

[@ThNamesAL]

Hmm, unfortunately it being not vented is a hard pass for me. I am one of those few people that are very sensitive to pressure build-up, so sadly despite this sounding like one of the best sets under $500, I would not even be able to wear it for long.

[@unotsolucky]

I have this same issue, even some iems that have a vent it happens also. It's only my left ear though.

[@gordon2875]

Just drill a hole lol

[@contrarian2496]

Unvented is actually much better at noise isolation, I wore my Orchestra Lite on flight and it was able to completely isolate the airplane engine noise, I could never wear vented iem in public as it just doesn't isolate external noise. Most iem are vented which makes the Orchestra Lite a unique iem for specific purposes.

[@ladbom]

Which ones are vented other then Raptgo Hook?

[@ThNamesAL]

@@contrarian2496 yeah, I don't really travel a lot. And when I do, the noise isolation of a vented but semi custom shelled set like my Bravery AE already does more than enough for me. The vacuum-like feeling from a non vented is too strong and uncomfortable for my ears.

[@donvittoriosierra]

Sorry if I missed it but does this dethrone the Blessing 2 for you?

[@thaophuongvu]

Which one u recommend is great for classical/ orchestra chamber music? Kiwi orchestra, tanchjim origin, simgot EA 1000 fermat, binary acoustic Chopin, kiwi quintet, 7hz timeless.

[@SuperReview]

I don't really believe in genre-based recommendations. I listen to lots of genres, my favorite sets work with them all.

[@VSN-wb2ly]

You can't just compare with genres, genre like rock has many sub genres and it sounds different from one to another, even two songs could sound different in the same genre

[@jhtongamer3151]

hey mate what do you think i should get for fps games xenns mangrid or the kiwi ears orchestra lite ?

[@BordoBereli1989]

Hey man, watching your videos for a looong time! Big fan of yours. Do you know which IEM JoeWo is using ? I asked him on Twitch but is not answering because they makers of the IEM are not paying him. Maybe you can see on his videos which one he uses? Would be greatly appreciated man.

[@SuperReview]

Can't tell from the videos I saw, too small.

[@Grrrr3FKAGrrrrGrrrrGrrrr]

I don't have an all BA set, it's an itch I have to scratch (or a excuse to add to my collection). That you say this one has good timbre and depth to the stereo puts these on the short list for me. Flat soundstage really bugs me.

[@SuperReview]

Not a lot of good all-BA sets under $300 in recent years. This is one tho.

[@jahmelljahmell6048]

I can’t turn down the volume kiwi lite headphones even I turn it down in my sound settings it’s to loud

[@SuperReview]

This might help: ifi-audio.com/products/iematch/

[@anthonypumo5332]

I have the moondrop Arias and I was thinking about upgrading to new pair it was this or the raptgo hook x HBB what do you think

[@SuperReview]

Hook is probably closer to Arias (bassy V), Orchestra is more neutral (but still good bass).

[@Trigg3rHippie]

Now I like my music loud. Like... LOUD. I mainly listen to metal. Would you recommend these or are they one of the normalised ones that got nerfed in the loudness department in order to preserve audio quality? I use Helm Audio Bolt DAC.

[@SuperReview]

(1) Please be careful with your hearing, (2) I don't know what you mean by normalized to nerf loudness and preserve audio quality. There are no electronics here, it'll get as loud as your source can power.

[@leviuslee8896]

Which is better IEM between Quintet and Orchestra lite?

[@SuperReview]

Not better, just different. Orchestra Lite is more midrangey, Quintet a little brighter and more contrasty. I think most people will prefer Quintet on quick comparison, but personally I find Orchestra Lite the better IEM for longer listening.

[@leviuslee8896]

@@SuperReview I personally don't like artificial, exaggerated, unnatural sounds. However, I don't want the 'monitor' sound, which is flat either. My favorite speaker brand is Proac. Could you recommend any IEM that is less than $300, please?

[@nickyusi5557]

How do these compare to the Thieaudio Legacy 5?

[@SuperReview]

Haven't listened to Legacy 5 in a while, but I think they're comparable, just BA vs. hybrid.

[@pbx1390]

hi, mark, aful performer 5 in my country is 70 dollars cheaper than kiwi ears orchestra lite, which should i pick? also i mentioned that tangzu zetian wu in my country is about 100 dollars, should i pick hexa or zetian wu or maybe the other options for my son in about 100 dollars?

[@SuperReview]

I can't pick for you, you know what you want better than I do. I would pick Hexa for me.

[@pbx1390]

@@SuperReview how about aful performer 5? is kiwi ears orchestra lite worth the 70 bucks more than aful performer 5?

[@Sifu26]

What tips are those on the orchestra original?

[@SuperReview]

In this video, those are Softears UC tips.

[@fakecheroom]

Would u recommend orchestra lite or quintet while I mostly listen to artist like jucie wrld/billie eilish/Taylor swift? Thank you

[@SuperReview]

I prefer the Orchestra Lite personally.

[@fakecheroom]

@@SuperReview thx

[@vorsakend666]

How do these compare to the Tangzu Heydays?

[@Techfanatic73]

Never once seen a vented IEM. All I have ever had don't have a vent. With no Active noise canceling and BA drivers you don't need a vent man. Lol

[@SuperReview]

There were three in this video.

[@thomasdanny7717]

Do you know what's being talked about? It is the small hole in the iem housing. All iems with DD and Planar need these holes to prevent the driver from flexing when inserted into the ear canal and while working. BA is generally not needed because the way it works is different from DD and Planar.

[@wiesolos]

It's not about the driver flex. Regardless what type of the transducer tech, there will always be accumulated air pressure that is trapped in the ear canal because all these IEMs transmit sound through air conduction.

[@paulok2153]

does unvented give you a tickly ear?

[@SuperReview]

No.

[@margaperex7059]

Is better than the timeless?

[@SuperReview]

I like it better.

[@nelnior7137]

this or blessings 2?

[@scotty_teee4226]

How do these compare to the original Mangird Tea?

[@SuperReview]

I like it better than the original Tea, much better treble quality and fuller sound.

[@MOO4x]

No mic?????

[@SuperReview]

Not on the stock cable, no.

[@HappyMaruu]

i just need someone to show me how to get them in my dang ears ): I have the smallest ears ever ahhhh

[@SuperReview]

Try lifting your ear with the opposite hand. tenor.com/view/etymotic-earphones-jack-in-gif-20826393

[@HappyMaruu]

@@SuperReview thank you!!! i found out that my ears are simply too small, gave them away to my bf who they fit perfectly. hoping i have better luck with the quintet! i know its less quality but if i can't even get it in my ear/keep it in my ear then whats the point of quality right !!! lol currently using wired skullcandy earbuds from college so it will def be an upgrade! thanks again for your help friend :D

[@VinnyUnion]

Are you insane, ryan? Two hundred and FIFTY?

[@ufopulse]

This or blessing 3.?