Marvel Rivals is (literally) pay to win

[@idek-yt]

no wonder majority of player thought wolverine was kind of bad LOL. Most people prob not playing over 120 fps

[@h-tv3vr]

i have a 144hz monitor and can't even get above 100fps somehow... i have tried everything LOL

[@7eddiii]

@@h-tv3vr idk much about computers but isnt fps a graphics card problem not a monitor problem

[@lahuntaa]

@@h-tv3vrcan your gpu handle it cause monitor can only display as well as your graphics card

[@Dolceandgabana]

​@@h-tv3vr I came to reiterate the other two comments, and to add something else.... How TF do you think your monitor is going to display something your PC can't handle?

[@Finn-wc8nq]

@@h-tv3vrthis game runs like dogshit even on the best pcs idk if you CAN do anything till they drop a performance patch

[@itchyswag]

punisher at the end is actually malding

[@DNeonLamp]

The straight up projection to give himself 50% more damage and say Super lied for saying a number that didn't change much in the last minutes of a stomp.

[@mtsoccerman]

only having a couple thousand more damage than your hulk when you are punisher is pretty embarrassing itself.

[@kingkwong95]

@@mtsoccermanit makes sense when you realize he played half the game in spawn 😂

[@arcaneminded]

That pooga booga guy got utterly destroyed by Dafran and Sinatraa later btw. Dude could not play the game.

[@Bbistheman_]

Super arguing with randoms is the best thing to come from Rivals

[@pranavmatha690]

Classic Felon making us get a shitforge just to use the tech

[@cookiehsnmilk]

what is so bad abt starforge😭 my brother has one

[@remwastaken]

@@cookiehsnmilk personally i just don't like most of the creators behind otk which is the org that like founded starforge, or at least they're their biggest advocates or wathever, but the pcs seem alright specs wise and the prices are also not awful considering you're getting some cool decals and you obviously will pay more for them because of the labour costs of building the actual PC.

[@xXSaucyxPotatoXx]

@@cookiehsnmilkpretty much reiterating the last guy, Asmon is one of the founders and personally I don’t want to give him any money

[@AnaOhKay]

@@cookiehsnmilk i like starforge. and i like OTK as far as i've seen. they're alright

[@Jason-kp4vc]

@@xXSaucyxPotatoXx Not to mention half of OTK is planning to go to Saudi, cuz they're so broke and out of money that they needed a Saudi sponsorhsip.

[@defkomm4861]

Genuinely the most stereotypical punisher player of all time right there

[@orbitex]

just like the classic soldier players

[@Turbo-DF]

and you guys cry about dog whistles

[@Turbo-DF]

hwit gamer man plays another hwit violent man with gun, upvote me

[@dachieclippz9826]

@@Turbo-DF what

[@Turbo-DF]

@@dachieclippz9826 'Genuinely the most stereotypical punisher player of all time" shes saying how ofc a white nerdy guy is playing punisher cuz white people all grow up to be shooters, its an extremely racist offhand comment and im saying its ironic how these people cry about dogwhistles - what they call "jokes disguised as racism in plain sight" but these anime cat ear profile picture people who cry so hard about racism and being labeled as blue haired freaks will sling the hottest garbage without blinking

[@Bcaps7546]

Damage and game play mechanics being tied to FPS is game breaking, the devs have to address this asap...

[@Finn-wc8nq]

Performance patch PLZZZ

[@MrBlueWaooWaoo]

Poor.

[@GiveMeTheRice]

idk what else you’d expect from a mobile game company

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

@@GiveMeTheRiceHere yall come, just waiting for a chance to strike 😂

[@GiveMeTheRice]

@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 it’s not an insult, it’s just the truth. mobile games don’t have to deal with the shit pc and console games do so the devs don’t either, until now

[@lastupido]

so the whole time we thought he was good at wolverine while others struggled, it was just p2w?

[@AwkwardDreamer]

-It's not p2w, it's someone who doesn't understand how FPS works.- I'm getting educated in the replies. Learn something new everyday so thank you :) Many great replies mentioning it but specifically this one (via @keeno5567) was most helpful for me, mostly the delta time bit: "search up risk of rain 2 seekers of the storm bugs. Or videos on how *delta time* works. There’s a video by Jonas Tyroller you can easily find and makes it much easier to understand"

[@FlufflePillow]

@@AwkwardDreamer it quite litterally is just bad client sided code, any normal competitive game makes everything completely server sided to prevent this.

[@CodeEleven_86]

​@@FlufflePillowFinally someone said it. That thing is just no way intentional(from dev/programming perspective). I used to have this problem when coding a game as beginner then reminded by my senior about multiplying movement with deltatime on update. Although, idk if other tools must be used on UE5 cause I haven't touch that engine yet.

[@keeno5567]

@@AwkwardDreamersearch up risk of rain 2 seekers of the storm bugs. Or videos on how **delta time** works. There’s a video by Jonas Tyroller you can easily find and makes it much easier to understand.

[@jakesoto4669]

@@AwkwardDreamer can you elaborate

[@Ze7ex]

super finally not pussying out of flaming his teammates 😱😱😱

[@pableta25]

All fax no printer

[@diufool]

I hate that he’s doing it cause you cant hate on super for doing it when its all based as fuck.

[@eleonarcrimson858]

i haven't seen him mald on ow. Maybe he did really early on which would make sense.

[@Kasser_KSR]

a monster was born when he was forced to interact with xernaxis

[@Kameかめ-e]

Well he plays against the same teammates in top 500. So he pretty much knows them.

[@Phosypha]

every accusation is a confession with DPS players

[@gunholder4202]

Super is Captain America before he got his super soldier serum😭🙏🏽🗣️

[@mathias_c_2756]

Nah, with that forehead, he is the Leader, just not green skinned.

[@ollesjogren7743]

Was cap really racist before the serum?

[@mayo0006]

​@@mathias_c_2756 I was gonna make that comment lol

[@asnowy]

@@ollesjogren7743 I mean yeah, this would've been like 1940's where black people were not treated well.

[@eleonarcrimson858]

@@ollesjogren7743 yes

[@kos5711]

I guess that's what happens when there's no Hulk tuah

[@CaZuaLDeMoN]

The fps thing is lowkey embarrassing for Rivals. 2010 game design

[@hanoslul3276]

It's more a unreal engine optimization problem. They clearly didn't spend enough time to check to see where they could save processing instead they just slapped everything together and said ok done.

[@walter4180]

​In no reality does that make sense if you know anything about programming what lmfao It's not an unreal thing. It's legit just a coding oversight. Something you can do in every engine. I'm not denying UE5 is an iffy engine at best, but you're just making stuff up lmao Like "save processing"? Not tying mechanics to fps isn't exactly a massive performance saver dude.​@@hanoslul3276

[@inferno4165]

@@hanoslul3276 what you just described is literally a developer problem and not an engine problem

[@hanoslul3276]

@@inferno4165 I explained it like ass, What I mean is the developers just make use of basic features of unreal engine and don't bother to go make their own solutions. But I guess it is more a developer side problem

[@TereAdasme]

Super getting toxic is the best thing to come out of this game (also who the fuck lies in a video game where you can check scoreboard and is that "chill" about it lol)

[@ZachAttack6089]

"You're dogshit, I have the highest damage/kills/rating in the lobby" Gets called out for blatantly lying "Bro stop making a big deal out of it, I don't even care about this game 😂" _huffs copium_

[@juliant3126]

Says he doesn’t care about super’s opinion but argues and lies about his performance to prove his point.

[@TereAdasme]

Gotta love gamers amirite lol

[@RadarFinsR]

it's pretty common behavior in casual games bro it's not that deep.

[@firemin5398]

Why is it always punisher players, every time I encounter or see a toxic freak it’s always a punisher.

[@DNeonLamp]

Common in every shooter are the muscle heads who thinks their aim makes them god when they can't position, utility or play as a team for shit.

[@yjxoxo]

All these ow people are annoying asf

[@taintedexcalibur]

50/50 that they're toxic or a cheater

[@jeffhill1213]

this is too relatable

[@angiegamez8600]

@@yjxoxo the entirety of high elo are OW players, what you talking about xd

[@JayceCH.]

No wonder why my Strange doesnt fly like that...

[@aziops]

4:11 I KNEW IT LMAOO

[@THE_MOONMAN]

YO thats crazy work there brother

[@mewtwo610]

HARD READ LMAOOOO

[@skpcboy]

LMAOOOOOO

[@shiloh3541]

💀💀💀💀

[@Doggoe12]

The most elaborate starforge ad...

[@Phosypha]

in this case the tech was literal

[@IBBX22I]

Kinda sad to not see super yeet himself off the map while Maroon 5 is playing in the background

[@YayaIWin]

What PoogaBooga doesn't get is that only /we're/ allowed to call super dogshit at video games

[@ALiteralMosquito]

He also can’t call Super dogshit in the same breathe as inflating his damage by a whole 7.5k and continue to go negative.

[@andrewkeith80]

It's a common issue due to frame interpolation and latency compensation. The developers used a technique that is easy to program and works well with high ping, but has this effect due to time variance. It's an easy fix and the Devs should tune the game better for 60 fps. The opposite is very accurate positioning, but poor reaction to high ping. Like older fps like cs1.6. accurate positioning but very poor response to packet drops.

[@angiegamez8600]

Yup and I still die in Magik's xd

[@bhanunihale4576]

That's interesting, it might be just me but when I get high ping it becomes unplayable.

[@andrewkeith80]

@@bhanunihale4576 it depends on how many consecutive packet drops. The game is very tolerant of high ping with moderate packet loss. Far better than other fps games. It does not rubber band as much. However, it's prone to cut animations shorter. The algorithm is a known algorithm used for years in predicting motion. It's just tuned awkwardly. In the days when games ran at 60 fps in general, all good network games used the same prediction technique.

[@Phasmania]

The fact that Wolverine is just an objectively worse character if ur pc can’t handle it is so funny. Dr. Strange portal is like a server-wide nerf then

[@tingsG]

Tbh marvel rivals is more graphic heavy than i thought. My frames ping pong from 20 to 120 when i play a game, so team fights are unplayable for me. Ive given up at this point lmao and yes all my shit is the lowest setting possible.

[@iminumst7827]

yup, unreal engine 5 has dog water optimization. I don't think there's a single unreal engine 5 game that runs well using lumen.

[@hammerth1421]

@@iminumst7827 Wait, Marvel Rivals uses Lumen? The longer I read about this, the worse it gets. Of course it performs like ass if it uses Lumen. It's just not the kind of game it's meant for.

[@Busterman64]

Not sure how much this will help, but you can try going into Settings, Display, and then turn Frame Generation Mode Off. It didn't fix everything, but it did make it a bit better for me.

[@kschshchshl]

yea i can run a lot of pretty heavy games with decent settings but i can't barely play rivals on lowest ones 😭

[@johnnycripplestar5167]

Jesus, why tf does a stylized game require as much power as like high end graphics shit? Holy crap the optimization is ass, most of the things here are definitely replaceable with simpler techniques while preserving this cool art-style with good enough visuals. Istg, I can run Warframe on a potato PC and Warframe is an RPG that looks beautiful meanwhile this is almost a 2D game. Wtf is UE5?

[@thebigphenom]

imagining rein with fps tied swings

[@hammerth1421]

The only thing like this Overwatch has is that Doom becomes annoyingly unsmooth to play at like 60 ms ping and basically unplayable above 100 ms.

[@irishguyfromireland215]

@@hammerth1421 bros comparing ping to fps?

[@grimmparagon427]

the only thing is that if this happened you'd get literally millions of people calling it out like "BLIZZARD IS GOING P2W?????!! THIS IS WHY OVERWATCH IS DEAD"

[@hammerth1421]

@@irishguyfromireland215 I'm not a game dev, but as far as I understand, that's more or less a direct tradeoff between the different types of timesteps. Time in games isn't linear, the engine needs to actively advance it forward one step at a time and depending on how that is done in relation to the rendering of frames and the interval of packets sent and received, the kind of glitchy behavior you get will be different. Blizzard chose the kind of timestepping that's perfectly independent from your fps, but then shits the bed with high ping. They've got some really good ping compensation tech that takes the edge off, but Doom still becomes unplayable on high ping.

[@irishguyfromireland215]

@@hammerth1421 every game is unplayable on high ping mate, not only doom

[@aussienick01]

Throw PoogaBooga games, say no more.

[@Hydravine]

I'm climbing to GM just to get in his games and throw, we ride at dawn

[@KenLinx]

This is actually unsettling.. I play at high graphics everything because I thought as long as I met my moniter's refresh rate I should be fine, but I'm actually playing on a handicap?

[@-Dovahkiin]

Of course it's a Punisher player that's malding

[@TereAdasme]

it's now canon that Luna ults and le sserafim plays in the background

[@kschshchshl]

all the girls are girling 😝😝😝

[@acod822]

watching this video stroking it with all fours rn

[@Yen_Flowers]

Can i see

[@megamecha100]

ALL FOURS?

[@vishg5148]

Rookie numbers

[@coolnormalandwelladjusted]

Pics or it didn’t happen

[@ipotato95]

I guess Nvidias “frames win games” was more of a threat

[@jchamp00]

Good thing super is a millionaire so he can continue to win in his PS2 game

[@o7-pika500]

someone get his parole officer to check his pc thanks

[@nrt6962]

i HATE this guy!

[@jjojehong]

REAL SUPERTF HATERS ARE YOU HERE!?!?!?

[@mavenhz1134]

Same

[@cookiehsnmilk]

me too

[@julian7434]

I Can’t believe having a better gaming chair is a real reason someone can play better.

[@SpeedShadow54]

That clears up everything, honestly. I'm not bad at the game, I'm just poor.

[@oof3821]

Exact same thing happens but reverse on dead by daylight, lower fps allows people playing as wesker to flick around corners that anyone on a higher fps will literally never be able to do unless they lower it And re2 remake higher fps resets the knife animations allowing you to basically rapid fire the knife and kill any boss basically instantly

[@hmalba7864]

The Punisher lying through his teeth and coming up with excuses for performing poorly while flaming others is the funniest thing in existence. "I lied because I don't care about your opinion" THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP ON YAPPING BROTHER???

[@kimicrewe4443]

I see super is participating in the class war, continuing elitist suppression classic super

[@MagicHamsta]

"I'm Eternity material, soon to be one above all material" --> Gets taken out by Iron Man spinning in circles. Kewk.

[@karola.7908]

I'm curious how this situation is going to develop, because maybe we're going to see how much gamers actually care about competitiveness of their games. There's been a big notion to just ignore balancing things completely, and I'm curious if this is what the majority thinks or are they just a vocal minority

[@L4Disillusion]

😂😂😂 balancing 😂😂😂😂 this game can NEVER BE BALANCED 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@moguri722]

alot of people in this community has never touched a single competitive pc in their life, they think going into configs to maximize fps and turn off aim accel is downright cheating

[@abudgie6909]

I've seen plenty of comments under other videos saying that this FPS problem isn't pay to win, or that it's how that is supposed to work. While I've only seen a limited sample size, it makes me worry for the collective IQ of the marvel rivals community.

[@coconutmilk2958]

You are comparing apples to oranges. This fps being tied to damage is a glitch that majority will agree it needs to be fixed. To me it sounds like your comment has a bit of malicious intent trying to downplay people who enjoy this game.

[@flavioluiz448]

5:16 Every spaw has to have 3 exits, problem solved

[@aznballaboi4life]

The suika chill music + chaos that is Marvel Rivals + supertf shenanigans is just 😚👌

[@Ghost_in_a_Jacket]

Same situation happened with the new risk of rain 2 dlc where they changed code for no reason and suddenly everything became very obviously fps dependent, completely ruining certain characters

[@robbiekavanagh2802]

5:11 just give 3 spawn doors

[@yuumibook9619]

YES MY GOAT SUPER FINALLY FIGHTING BACK YES PLEASE TALK TO THEM BACK OH MY GOD I LOVE IT. super flame is actually so fire

[@spunchl1ne]

That punisher saying super froze the Hulk had me checking to see when he ever interacted with the enemy Hulk in the last 15 seconds and he straight up never did lol

[@Puhckaaaa]

The fps thing explains a lot…

[@i55ed]

died about a month ago, born also about a month ago welcome back og seekers of the storm coding

[@neetlikereallyneat9103]

All this will do is inflate my ego playing on a frame-locked Xbox and fighting against the odds

[@potatto907]

"idaf about some dumb medal" *immediately brings up damage stats*

[@luuunky]

love when super actually trash talks its so funny

[@MHangman7678]

That guy just knew he was emoting irl thats great 😂😂😂

[@masonbarrett6406]

Love the chapters under the video Stef

[@veefemby]

"let me play Wolverine i have a better PC" is a crazy line to say

[@NoobetHD]

In the marvel universe supertf‘s forehead would be green as it’s so big

[@_ScarCrow]

Punisher at the end reminds me of the “you’re talking to bronze damage” back in the original overwatch days

[@B0TFrosty]

getting into fights with internet strangers, super might just be turning into a goat

[@GarryFPV]

Nahh that’s actually crazy. My settings are all on low from now on. Maximum performance. Zero graphics

[@Rat1Rat]

A super post on LeBrons birthday should be a sin

[@Moogle]

I feel like the fps difference also causes more desync in actions between people

[@incomplet1396]

The classic *ingame logic is based on framerate* issue. Crazy mistake on a game of this caliber in 2024 tbh. Risk of rain had the same problem this year

[@boinqity4621]

actual 1990s level coding lmao. its honestly sad how many otherwise well designed games recently are being ruined by technical issues. at least stalker 2 is single player and the devs are responding pretty quick, plus the issues are somewhat understandable given how fucking ambitious and massive that game is, but that isnt the case so far with rivals. the fps balance issue is honestly just embarrassing.

[@train123z]

@@boinqity4621 I think it's not just the fps balance issue but the fact that fps is a big enough issue in this game despite it being a ftp hero shooter. It shouldn't run as bad as it does

[@taylorfilm]

a 20 minute supertf video. thank you stef

[@copperaggron8632]

my keyboard is sticky now >:(, thanks super i couldn't hold it in because of you

[@imphyzical4810]

All you gotta do is make strange portal destructible

[@usaminmin]

Pinuz428 doing their best to defuse the situation 17:35

[@rancorrage5646]

So that's why my Wolverine can't get kills!

[@jackersbanakers1554]

HEY STEF IVE BEEN ENJOYING THE MARVEL RIVALS VIDEOS THANKS YOU!!!!!!

[@michaelthompson2363]

4:59 Amazing pull, my compliments to the chef

[@imjustaguy1721]

Man that iron man at the end is the bane if my exiatance. You dont see him ever and once you do there is no chance in hell anyone is going to take him down except you

[@bigpharts]

I see supers having fun with Hulk too, huh?

[@1012u]

say that again....

[@TheAznKyubi]

brother callin people dumb when he cant even read his damage number correctly 😂😂😂😂

[@Croco_G]

Holy shit I'm barley running 40 frames, might as well drop the game

[@carjack1195]

Truly a guy eating cereal, guy spitting cereal moment

[@Virginialuv]

This video is fire, love how cool it is!

[@firebanner6424]

hey wassup virginia

[@MycroftGlassgow]

@@firebanner6424go get em tiger

[@Kellexyz]

@@firebanner6424

[@skullboy233]

Is it just me, or is he doing the portal wrong? He puts the exit one like it is the entrance

[@weebtrash3376]

I’ve never seen Supr flame anyone in voice in OW but he’s already done it twice in Rivals and they’ve both been Punisher players lmao

[@NAH3_2]

that guy at the end of video is so braindead it's wild.

[@curse5697]

it actually made me so mad and i wasn't even in the argument, how can you be so dumb and such a pathetic liar

[@bragg30]

its the same exact time to kill, you just hear the swing more and see the swing more, but the damage is still the same

[@aqn8756]

So you’re saying that when I pick Wolverine and my fps halves itself, that I’m actively being nerfed…

[@lukaslambs5780]

Nice to know Pigboy finally downloaded Marvel Rivals!

[@kewlpenguin9228]

9:12 top ten coldest lines of 2024

[@sapphicseas0451]

Ah so because I only get 60fps I just lose, cool

[@PedroLucas-kj7je]

"since overwatch saved their carrer with a collab" hell nah

[@isitoppositeday6944]

Well this is 100% game breaking.

[@Nikokl]

I get like 180fps in game, no wonder my strange levitate doesn't do that

[@Sakaki98]

“This game works pretty well for something made in Chin-oop nevermind”

[@selfselected]

Dr. Strange has a surprising amount of tech and tricks, such a fun hero. I hope future tanks have as much depth

[@TheNothingBrand]

The one and only “One Above None”

[@harveyboi3917]

Didn't something like this pop up in Risk of Rain 2 latest dlc? How the fuck is tying damage to frame rate becoming a standard practice?

[@js6772]

It was done for the console players who usually have a consistent 60. Why a PC centric aimer has it is beyond me.

[@brimp4989]

Because it’s usually something you have to code out instead of it being coded in.

[@harveyboi3917]

@@js6772 that's actually a good point. I can kinda see why Gearbox thought it'd be a good idea, even if it failed massively, but the logic here is lost on me.

[@chaotickreg7024]

​@@brimp4989Depends on the engine. DeltaTime is usually provided by engines.

[@johnnycripplestar5167]

Its not a standard, the opposite is the standard. This is like early 2010s bs. Even then that was a big mistake for games like this and heavily scolded.

[@tipzycake8146]

14:00 and onwards just hurt my soul

[@gazer1717]

Please post the game where he played with that Wolverine main named "Animals-mals". Super played Hulk and Venom in those back-to-back games. I think it was during December 30 or 29 stream around 4:22. Thanks.

[@apple-de8tx]

Is it you

[@midknight1339]

@@apple-de8tx yeah lol it's definitely him

[@gazer1717]

​@@apple-de8txI wish I was as good as these guys, but no 😅

[@Nut-fr1xn]

spent a lot of time chekcing this. inbetween 40 and 47 dps, you get just asmost as many swipes as 160 fps. but, 30 to 40, there is a large damage droppoff inbetween 47 and 70, its somehow lower than the damge inetween 40 and 47 fps.

[@YourNatureEnthusiast]

W super, challenging the egos of the nerds

[@nuclear6539]

streets are calling for a GodOFTunda video stef make it happen

[@cduhamel3412]

This punisher on the end is the actual pigboy with no filter 😂😂😂

[@BKieza]

I could get used to these 20m videos thanks steph

[@skylordquasar]

Time to bring back the turbo button

[@socoolyeah]

okay at least he got his mech back in rivals good to know 😌

[@yourlocalgoner]

ok but what is that 10mins q, i thought MR players are all over the world

[@galelululu]

SO THAT’S WHY THE WOLVERINE WAS SO CRAZY