Suppressors 101 - Titanium vs Inconel, which suppressor is right for you?

[@mattcomchoc2957]

[less] weight is an advantage 100% of the time. EVERY other advantage of every other material type is only an advantage under certain use cases.

[@Ertactical]

you and I see eye to eye! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@WearilyCorrect]

An excellent point!

[@digitalpunk5365]

100% Weight is a factor no matter what and applies to literally everything.

[@johnbrewer8882]

What happens when you can only shoot 5 rounds in rapid succession until you hit the temperature limit for the can per manufacturer recommendations. Like in a video for the CAT WB Ti.

[@christ.5258]

⁠@@johnbrewer8882What you just said makes zero sense. “CAT 718 Ti.” 718 refers to Inconel and Ti refers to Titanium. You essentially just said CAT inconel titanium. There's no such thing. Its one or the other

[@Snapper314]

Great video on this topic! One aspect not mentioned is HEAT MIRAGE. Titanium heats up faster and cools slower. And THAT can cause heat mirage that will impact how well you can SEE a target at longer shooting distances. BTW, a heat wrap will only slightly help with this.

[@Zarroc0215]

Commenting to get this higher. Something that should be discussed/measured if you're using a suppressor for any long range shooting.

[@Ertactical]

great point, both can def toss your LOS on a long range shot. but the Ti will def get hotter faster! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@MauryPacheco]

Garand thumb recently put out a small frame 6.8 video and heat mirage on a titanium can became a very noticeable issue after a couple rounds. Inconel may be the option to go with, if you're going for long distance shooting

[@SPR_ACTUAL]

Somebody please make a comparison between the 2 metals for heat mirage.. My HUXWRX Ti cans with Liberty Defense covers get wicked hot very fast.. heat mirage is bad enough I don't want to run supressed.

[@TheDuppyman]

Great video on titanium suppressor durability

[@tristenpaul808]

I love it; how I can have specific questions about potatoes, and Rob just knows. He’ll answer my questions in a video not even specific to my question haha. You’re on top of suppressor-tube, Rob!! 🥳

[@killacamfoo]

Titanium if you don't care about wear and tear, or sparking and shoot a hunting/moderate cadence and want weight savings. Inconel or SS if you want something you don't have to worry about fire schedule and don't mind the weight penalty.

[@Ertactical]

def will not last 30 years if you shoot as much as we do. good point! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@RickLovesBacon]

Great Video. I don't think I would ever need inconel. it's nice to see that titanium handles so well

[@Ertactical]

totally feel ya! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@RepatriantzKarabinem]

Oceania Defense - inconel 🤟🏻 I have LMT 5.56 DI (14.5) Here's what the manufacturer writes: Ti or Inc „Weight and fire schedules. We do not recommend ti for heavy firing schedules and certainly not for training. It would be useful IF weight was a driving factor. We don't generally run ti for SURG test but it would likely run at least one time without excess erosion. It would be considered expendable or degraded after that. Inco is only slightly heavier and very robust. We have run 5 SURG tests with some erosion but no change of first baffle bore diameter. Ti is recommended for bolt action levels of fire and what we usually use for 338 LM.” What you think about this? Greetings from Poland 🇵🇱

[@Ertactical]

its a non us company so that will make things tuff

[@ericbergfield6451]

Thx Rob, I've been rolling with Ti cans for a while, & love the low weight 😊

[@Ertactical]

NIce! same ... I love both but light is nice! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@carolinaplinker]

Another great video Rob. Hope u doing well. Just sent your video on the 556 k cans to my buddy who is bout to buy a 556 k can possibly the polo k.

[@Ertactical]

thanks man!! all here just grinding away! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@lukeflaugher5334]

So far I’ve been a inconel guy but I’ve been looking to add a titanium can! Once again thanks for the awesome content!

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@gtlizzard]

Great video, as always. I am leaning toward a titanium silencer as a result.

[@Ertactical]

glad to help! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@Beefsupreme13]

Very interesting point about the combat load standard

[@Ertactical]

thank you! your support means the world to us.

[@Fr3d671]

Just bought the SRBS762 inconel since it's back in stock at SS again 🍻

[@TristanPT]

Same!

[@RidingandFlying]

I bought that one when it was in stock on July 5th. Silencer Shop still hasn't mailed it to my FFL yet. 😠

[@TristanPT]

@@RidingandFlying unfortunately that’s not too uncommon. My last can took over 2 weeks to ship from SS after the Form 3 was approved.

[@RidingandFlying]

@@TristanPT I guess they spoiled me. I ordered one back in April, and order date to approval date was 9 days.

[@TristanPT]

@@RidingandFlying I just checked my order from 7/17, Form 3 approved 7/18, and now 7/19 it is showing that the can has been shipped to my dealer. That’s definitely faster than my other order last month.

[@Skenderbeuismyhero]

You just seem to know exactly what questions I have about suppressors.

[@garrettsmitherman9823]

Was just thinking the same

[@Ertactical]

Happy to help =)

[@Ertactical]

Happy to help =)

[@jimmystecher5214]

I have learned a lot from your channel so far. I am extremely lucky, I am just getting into silencers.

[@Ertactical]

honored the help =)

[@Minuteman-147]

Another excellent video. Thank you, Rob.

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@braway]

Rob, thanks for the video. Some questions regarding the combat load and titanium cans: Is there a difference between 1 mag of 30 rounds and 6 additional mags of 30 rounds, and saying 7 mags of 30 rounds? What about the rate of fire? And is that concept (for TI) only for B&T (and maybe other mil focus manufacturers), or can that be assumed for all of them?

[@keithcrandall1369]

yeah, same question I have

[@Ertactical]

this was about the B&T cans. and the ROF is HIGH. I did not get all the details as this is not something that is commonly said out loud. Its kinda inside info. for me its a confidence builder. Yes, as many would say and be correct that a combat load is 6 mags. One could argue that 6 is the load. you can debate if the 7th is bart of a combat load out or not. This is why i said it the way i did.

[@helas9]

Thoughts on Ti long can for long range using a suppressor cover to mitigate mirage? Will that eventually damage the can by keeping the heat inside?

[@Ertactical]

def on the LR, light is big when its 26" away from me. also def a cover to reduce LOS issues. thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@A-a-ron480]

Please keep the videos coming.

[@Ertactical]

thank you! your support means the world to us.

[@LowSpeedHighDrag45]

In the market for a new can, most of my setups currently have SF devices. Really digging that SRBS 5.56 Compact Ti

[@Ertactical]

i want that can!

[@whatiwant8898]

It's great to hear what I've always thought about Ti suppressors being more durable than people are led to believe being true. Awesome video as always.

[@Ertactical]

I am blown away at how tuff they are! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@patwalsh2868]

Hey Bro , I’m just getting into suppressors, have a Alaskan 360 , waiting on hardware order , but I just wanted you to know that you have tought me so much about everything about Cans to some degree !! It was great every suppressor video you were doing one on every can I was interested in , love this one but the JK GOAT 155 has me still holding back from making a decision , n the new Surge X , Thanks 💥💥🔫from Commy Ct.🇺🇸

[@ke3552]

New Ti fan here. Thanks.

[@Ertactical]

happy to help! =)

[@angelgutter8249]

Agreed. B&t states on their site that the TI can is rated full auto with no barrel restrictions. I’ll never take it that far myself. I’m sure with enough effort I could melt my knights qdc but with the ti B&t being almost half the weight, the trade off completely worth it. It’s a great can, for me, that lives on my 10.5 scar 16

[@Ertactical]

we put the INK 556 on an M249 to melt it... vid to come soon

[@bigbeede]

Can you do a test or review of some of the JK 155 suppressors? I love your videos and would love your work up data.

[@Ertactical]

we have one on the way, with an ETA of 2 months. from JK. thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@Blue-cq2hl]

From my understanding of inconel is it handles heat better because if how it responds to it which is quite stupid. It's a fabulous material. But it's like everything there's a trade off. I don't mind a bit of weight. I don't think the difference is important especially for titanium eroding or wearing down at all with any of the big ones that will just replace it for you no issue like dead air. I'd be more concerned with a company with good service than inco VS ti

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@artyomg7515]

Thank you for the work. Its so hard to gather suppressor info.

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@penn9363]

I debated between the two on the cat wb. Ultimately went with the inconel because I honestly am not sure how cat would live up to Uta warranty long term, so if I shot out the titanium in a few years, I'm not sure they would be around or able to fix it. Otherwise I would have gone titanium 100%

[@Ertactical]

good call, Man id love to get some of their cans on our channel.. thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@ericsrussell]

Why do all the companies have different definitions of high rate of fire? That part gets confusing and warranty by temperature all confuses the average shooter. Thx for your insight on Ti

[@Ertactical]

good Q, "full auto" rated can mean many things. I think every one wants to be careful to not mis lead. some mean belt fed, some mean for 150 rounds, some mean one mag with time in between mags. I def am not going to study each. I don't use my MGs all the often and def not suppressed with rare exception

[@jacobdeem8187]

Another great episode

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@TheOccasionalGunTuber]

My old Helios Ti is full auto rated. While at Capitol Armory I saw the unit they tried to kill full auto. Some discoloration of the finish was it. The CATs seem delicate. So this will be model dependent.

[@Ertactical]

good info! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@PaulOtlewski]

If you want to try a super light titanium full auto rated can, I'd love to see you guys test the AB Raptor

[@Ertactical]

we have 5 AB's on the way for testing

[@1DavidMarshall]

Keep the vids rolling. Ty and God bless

[@mr.mr.3301]

It would almost seem like the best suppressor would be a hybrid. One that has inconel as the first blast battle, maybe the second then transitions to titanium with some sort of outside wrap. basically like a beef up 22 suppressor

[@Ertactical]

hmm thats an idea

[@NinjaGinga11]

Some suppressors do that

[@brendenlopp1782]

Since you have both the original and the SS SRBS outside of the flash cap, direct mount, and outside texture are there any other differences? Such as changes to the baffle structure or noticeable sound differences?

[@Ertactical]

yes, the new one is better in its baffle pattern, blast baffle area, to me it sounds better and it has a 1.9% bolt speed increase. on my BP test it performed the same but you can see that for yourself if you'd like on our web page. thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@mavrikmavrik3032]

Huxwrx says their Ti suppressors are full auto rated. I've shot my Ti in a class where we were doing multi-shot strings for two mags. That's 60 rounds in a very short period of time and the suppressor got really hot but not enough to turn color or anything like that.

[@Ertactical]

they are great cans! i wish they were a bit quieter. Thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@vaprepper6503]

Great info and video, thanks!

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@garrettsmitherman9823]

Not sure if you own any AKs but if you could do a video about AK suppressors and back pressure it would be greatly appreciated!

[@Ertactical]

did a few in the form of shorts"" but will start host vids soon! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@brianprather765]

Very good video. I was wondering if you would know if you can mount that suppressor on a 9mm PCC? Or any pistol caliber

[@sheltonreidwhitehead1110]

That is how i have felt for a little while now that most the Titanium suppressors r very tuff and just so much lighter than others.

[@Ertactical]

agreed! thank you! your support means the world to us.

[@Doctaj54]

Waiting on the 308 review. Thanks

[@Ertactical]

its coming =) thank you! your support means the world to us.

[@bruinranger13]

How does titanium do vs inconel with mirage?

[@artyomg7515]

Titanium bleeds heat faster, so it would be worse. However, construction also matters. Cans that have a baffle stack that is surrounded by an outer can will typically be the best at mirage mitigation, like how surefire constructs theirs. If mirage is a big problem for your use case, then getting a suppressor cover will be necessary. They have cheap ones for light firing schedules and beafy ones for full auto fire.

[@Ertactical]

def gets hotter faster. thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@8RedBear5]

Comment to support the video.

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@waltermatney6090]

On the MK18, B&T SBRS 556 , OR 762 How much sound difference do you think there is going to the bigger can> I have the SBRS556 and I love it. Just wondering your thoughts

[@Ertactical]

good Q, I have both and we did do some testing at night and it didn't do great, 762 on the 556. Id recommend having both.

[@waltermatney6090]

@@Ertactical thinking about buying a second one I already have SRBS 556, And basically only shoot 556. I have a nomad L for 30 caliber. Do you think I should just go ahead and get another 556?

[@westtexas3041]

Another great review. Thank you.

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@nawshadhussain2855]

Always great info sir, thank you!

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@JacksonMalcolm]

Tbac changed my mind on Ti cans when they released the Dominus SR. Price might be a factor when combined with the durability concern. Otherwise, Ti cans are great!

[@Ertactical]

nice!!! id love to do some testing on those cans. thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@ericsrussell]

Could I run a Ti in a tactical AR class type schedule of fire?

[@Ertactical]

yes as long as you are not dumping mag after mag. In my carbine class id say YES but it depends on who's class i guess.

[@mikekoehler7098]

How many rounds before it needs cleaned? How do you clean it? I’ve been considering the srbs 7.62 TI. But it’s non user serviceable. Wondering also how good this would really be on say a 30-06 for hunting or just fun.

[@willthrill94]

Awesome video!

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@JohnZ556]

I do believe Grade 5 Ti cans have a maximum service temperature of approximately 650°F, and it doesn't take much for them to reach or exceed that. Prob 10-20 rds of semi-auto fire. Sure, they shouldn't just explode if you dump a few mags back to back. But they won't actually last long in terms of sound and flash performance.

[@JohnZ556]

FYI. Approx, Ti starts to turn yellow at 570F, purple at 750F, blue at 930F, light blue at 1020F, dark gray at 1110F, and black at 1290F. So if you see the outside of a Ti can start changing color. Stop it.🛑

[@Ertactical]

good intel, thanks! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@zackz4015]

Good stuff!

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@pedroperalta5719]

Just purchased a Radical Defense CS5Ti based on your research/videos. Please do a review on this unit. Hopefully I will have it released from jail soon. Keep it up. Update: suppressor released from jail in three business days.😊

[@guapogestapo4500]

Do you get heat mirage faster with the titanium suppressor?

[@Ertactical]

yes, if on a LR rig, def do a cover on it. thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@Njazmo]

Can't wait to see the meltdown video.

[@Ertactical]

its coming =) thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@Av8torman42]

Ok I’ll ask: how different do they look under night vision?

[@Ertactical]

great Q ... we may address that soon

[@mr.mr.3301]

I would be curious what it would take with a basic semi auto to melt one down. Hi can it even be done?

[@Ertactical]

it would not be easy thats for sure.. we did do it on a belt fed.. vid to come

[@bradonmartin3010]

Love the content

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@armaliteAR10A4]

Cobalt kenetics scrambler Ti video?

[@Ertactical]

no have. I do want to test. please email them requesting they get one over for testing.

[@mikepringle3275]

I wonder what the life span betwen the two supressors is?

[@WearilyCorrect]

I'm a civilian, and i don't have a MG (yet), so I'm going to go with Ti.

[@Ertactical]

well played

[@chuck110001]

Why don't they make suppressors with is mix of titanium and inconel? Maybe the first two baffles inconel and the rest of the can titanium.

[@Ertactical]

good Q, IDK that out of my AO

[@heyhayhay247]

Yup, definitely getting an SRBS 7.62 Ti

[@waterboy330]

I chose other than titanium because I want my grandkids grandkids to inherit these items someday.

[@Ertactical]

that one way of looking at it. For me, and my fam. I have an oldest of 4YO, in 14 years I bet there will be smaller, quieter and lighter cans making ours like an old TV. But thats just my thoughts, thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@waterboy330]

@@Ertactical good point.

[@ricruiz8375]

Does TI have a shorter life span ? I just ordered my inconel 😅

[@Ertactical]

yea, but it will out live my needs, IMO. thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@TROY-MCCLURE-1991]

What about heat dissipation and heat retention?

[@JohnZ556]

Thermal Conductivity: 17-4 Stainless Steel(+143% to Ti) > Inconel 718(+70% to Ti) > Grade 5 Titanium. Heat Capacity per Volume: 17-4 Stainless Steel ≈ Inconel 718 (+50% to Ti)> Grade 5 Titanium.

[@Ertactical]

what john said =)

[@SavageNeos]

OPTION C GET BOTH!!

[@Ertactical]

hahah yes!! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@quiettime6871]

I wonder why there are no 3d printed 17-4 silencers besides Hux. Makes me wonder if the same people aren't making cores for everyone else

[@Ertactical]

there are, now, many printing in house.. and they are GOOD.. Id say better than HUX IMO

[@MichaelLeopold1]

Informative

[@nunyurbyznes7611]

Full auto mag dumps happened over the fence in Vietnam. But no suppressors.

[@aaronquickle4575]

Good info

[@johnadams673]

Rob. You cant say who, but did that statement come directly from b&t?

[@Ertactical]

yes, thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@paullee9160]

i been shooting titatium can for 2 years out of 11.5. i sometimes do magazine dump.. but no full auto.. i have had zero issues.

[@rondobrondo]

which Ti suppressor do you have?

[@paullee9160]

@@rondobrondo i got jk 556, alaskan 360 ti, b&t rotec ti, b&t srbs ti

[@rondobrondo]

@@paullee9160 Do you think the 'fragility' of Titanium cans is overrated? Like is it overhyped and not really an issue for something like a 16" barrel as long as I'm not being brutal on my rifle and dumping mag after mag?

[@iLivenAmurica]

Good ole stainless steel is a good middle ground of weight and durability!

[@Ertactical]

those work. thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@Ertactical]

🔥🔥🔥

[@JenkinsStevenD]

I will stick with inconel. Thanks though.

[@Ertactical]

I am not trying to convince any one of anything. just sharing what I am learning in hopes to help every one stay informed in they purchasing power. =)

[@Spushed]

For me it's not if a titanium suppressor can get melted easily it's the structural Integrity over the years that may be the issue. How long does titanium last in comparison to inconel over years of use? Inconel has data on this naturally. Ti can be proprietary (pure or 1 of 4 alloys or a blend of any of them) per each manufacturer be it welded, 3d printed, a hybrid blend. It's too much of a wild card with all the variations and to me that's unsatisfactory.

[@Ertactical]

soon you'll get to see the m249 vid and it may change your mind. it did for me.

[@Spushed]

@@Ertactical again, that's ONE of MANY different suppressors on a burnout test, not long term. Are you going to send it out for a destruct test to determine metallurgical analysis afterwards?

[@rondobrondo]

@@Ertactical Yeh i agree with Spushed. I don't care about these 'burndown'/'meltdown' tests. They're kinda stupid and don't really tell us anything about what it's actually like to USE the suppressor as a normal person. Like, is my normal usage going to damage the titanium prematurely. Like, I want my can to last at least 5 years, and more like 10 years for the guns that only get 2k rounds per year. It would be way more useful to have someone gradually ramp up the temperature on a TI suppressor to a certain point, like 800°F or something, and then fire a certain number of shots at that level, like maybe 200 rounds while keeping the suppressor above 800°F but below 1000°, and see if the can takes any kind of real damage or premature wear at all. And if not, put more rounds through it with the same rules. If that still doesn't seem to cause any issues, then bump up the thresholds to like 1000°F - 1200°F, and run the tests more

[@1chieftech]

I don't want to worry about how many rounds and how fast I'm firing. I'd go inconel, for me.

[@godsdozer]

yep

[@Yoda052]

Really a moot point right now, given the availability of stocked suppressors in stores (or online). I’ve purchased 3 since April and the wait time for availability is longer than approval time from ATF. PLEASE, make them faster guys… along with the devices needed to attach them.

[@msquared9605]

Both my form 3’s took much longer than my form 4’s

[@Ertactical]

yea, i know the feeling. I have many cans tied up in many ways. Xmas is coming soon i hope. thanks for watching

[@AJohnSmith]

Both.

[@Ertactical]

hahah yes!

[@gynocentrismergomgtow]

Does the long boy in the picture or suppressors of similar size exist? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZbbmZSGid6qr5Y I have looked at all the 7.62 and magnum suppressors on Silencer Shop, and I haven't seen any suppressor anywhere near the size of the long boy.

[@Ertactical]

Ill look into it. thank you! your support means the world to us.

[@alexdrockhound9497]

I bet the inconel will last waaay longer.

[@Ertactical]

it will for sure, but I don't need 30 years out of a can. most cans after 5 to 10 years there is far better tech as we evolve that means lighter, smaller, quieter, and so on. look at a TV that is 15 years old. I see it kinda like that. thats just me. thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@bartmaster2]

I can't even find an ASR mount

[@SilencerSyndicate]

Because Rob bought them all lol.

[@bartmaster2]

@@SilencerSyndicate go figure lol

[@Ertactical]

hahaha cuz they are the best!! haha sorry

[@jwalker1429]

Algo-rhythm

[@gynocentrismergomgtow]

Titanium = UHMWPE Inconel = AR500

[@LGB-FJB]

Inconel all the way

[@fullm3taljacket]

For why?

[@alexdrockhound9497]

@@fullm3taljacketdurability and longevity

[@fullm3taljacket]

@@alexdrockhound9497 fair enough, what are you doing an how often to reasonably justify that? Cans aren't all that expensive.

[@CaptainCreampie69]

This guy thinks he is a door kicker when in all reality he is just a member or Meal Team SIx. Having one Incoonel silencer is good and all the rest titanium. This guy is the same type of goober that complains about flash from the RC3, titanium or flow through silencers. When all he does is play world of Warcraft and maybe shoot two boxes of twenty a year.

[@LGB-FJB]

​@@CaptainCreampie69Awe, someone got his panties up in a bunch. No one said titanium is bad. I was just saying inconel was better. Rather than go for personal attacks that mean nothing to me because you are some random stranger on the internet, you just stick to that facts? Or is that too hard for you because you are just too emotional over someone having a differing opinion?

[@Blazerghost]

Running FA or NVGs, titanium is a no go.

[@nunyabiznes32]

Titanium for the hunting rig…stainless for the rest.

[@Ertactical]

NIce! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@garret2560]

Commenting for the Algorithm

[@jonlee6716]

Tough titanium silencer..... TBAC Dominus enters the chat

[@Ertactical]

i love the Ti stuff but i don't have any Tbac cans.

[@rickh9396]

KZbin censorship sucks.

[@Ertactical]

totally! thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@methanesprings4085]

Comment

[@Ertactical]

thanks for watching and supporting! =)

[@chanc9737]

honestly why would you want something that can break? some people are silly sallys

[@Theozman2]

Pizza

[@exodusz19]

I identify as a YHM Fat Cat, gotta be my favorite gender

[@Ertactical]

hahah

[@KidCorporate]

There’s far more Ti cans on the market than there should be IMHO

[@jacobdeem8187]

It's the hotness right now. Inconel isn't going anywhere. There is a reason they run inconel exhaust valves in boosted engine applications and not titanium.

[@Ertactical]

people like it. I def see why as i like em too

[@kumfy3825]

FTA

[@popnetwork9106]

Who needs incolnel. Huxwrx is the best hands down. The competition is smoked.

[@Ertactical]

I have not found the same results.

[@popnetwork9106]

@@Ertactical lol sure you did. Put 300 rds of auto down your gun with any other can and your gun won't cycle. It will be malfunctioning right and left.