Surefire XSC vs. Streamlight TLR-7 Sub | Best Subcompact light for a Sig Sauer 365

[@stephenlott6968]

Only 3 minutes in and this is already the most useful weapon light comparison I've ever seen. Subscribed.

[@UFischdick]

Just wanted to congratulate you on how professional your approach is. An objective, technical and unbiased review. Perfect.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thank you for your positive feedback!

[@BILLYBOBJohnson-kj2zd]

Damn, an integrating sphere, graph of light output over time, candela testing at angles, and spectrum analysis? What's next, a CRI and DUV reading? You guys went all out! Major props for this high quality video.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Aw man... I'm missing some readings! Now I'm off researching CRI and DUV. :) Hey thanks for the feedback! We have more content in the works, so keep watching.

[@BILLYBOBJohnson-kj2zd]

@@WerkzHolsters The flashlight nerd in me just had to :). CRI stands for color rendering index, which a bit hard to explain but is essentially how faithful the colors are to natural (sun) lighting. Average LED's are around 70 or lower DUV is how far above or below the black body line the light is, meaning it will have a more green or rosy tint respectively. Both are pretty irrelevant to weapon lights. Great job with the video and look forward to more.

[@WerkzHolsters]

@@BILLYBOBJohnson-kj2zd Thanks for the summary! So no value in measuring CRI or DUV? We covered with light temp & spectrometer?

[@BILLYBOBJohnson-kj2zd]

@@WerkzHolsters I'd say CRI and DUV are pretty irrelevant to WML's because DUV is arguably subjective (some people prefer more neutral, some prefer rosy, etc) and emitters which prioritize hi CRI tend to sacrifice some efficiency, so they produce less lumens and candela than their hi-cri counterparts. The Osram LED emitters used in the Modlite OKW, for example, are pretty low CRI and blue at around 6000k color temp. I don't know what emitter the XSC and TLR7-sub use, but most likely a 90+ CRI emitter of similar size would not produce as many lumens & candela. Also since there aren't any hi-CRI WML's I know of, measuring it doesn't make a ton of sense. Just my 2c.

[@WerkzHolsters]

​@@BILLYBOBJohnson-kj2zd Excellent feedback. If you have a few minutes to chat, send customer service ([e-mail]) an email stating that Shan requested to talk with you and we can set up a time to talk.

[@mig1nc]

This is probably the best handgun light review video I've ever seen. Good job, guys.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks much for your positive feedback! We have the equipment and are working to produce a bunch of videos and reviews to help the community.

[@spearageddon3279]

100% agree, outstanding review!

[@je300blk]

Absolutely I agree. Outstanding and educational review.

[@marinefirstsarge509]

Where have you been all these years!

[@AnAmericanPatriot1555]

Definitely a solid review.

[@CoaxDog]

I like the more compact size and switch shape of the XSC, but the Streamlight is superior in just about every other way. The Streamlight is brighter, longer running, uses industry standard batteries that are easier to change without un-mounting it, rugged, and half the price of the SF.

[@glassmw9823]

TLR7 has strobing as well, I don’t believe the XSC does

[@Yohanyothan]

Awesome unbiased comparison. Absolutely top tier. The simple fact that the Surefire doesn’t come with 2 batteries for the ridiculous $300+ price tag tells a lot.

[@triton302]

Excellent video. The TLR7sub can't really be beat unless you want something super compact, then get the XSC. I'm working on getting a P365XL and the TLR7sub is a perfect candidate for it, and the added bonus of the light extending past the muzzle to act also as a standoff device as well.

[@jgibby905]

Man where the hell has this channel been hiding, and why isn’t anyone else doing these tests?!?! This the second comparison/review I’ve seen in as many days that have really impressed me. Subscribed now.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks for your positive feedback! We have also uploaded our new video on full size lights.

[@richardefriend]

Excellent review. Don't forget that there are rechargeable CR123A batteries readily available, so you can always have a supply of fully charged batteries for the TLR-7sub.

[@jasoncox3402]

You are not wrong, but Streamlight for whatever reason, does not recommend them, and I believe it will void the warranty with the TLR7 Sub. I just ordered my TLR7 Sub, so I'm not a fan boy of SF, just letting you know.... I was thinking the same as you and tried looking it up, and I believe that Info. was from Mr. Gunsngear

[@7blueblaze]

Couldn't see why it would void the warranty, but you may be right. I have a Tactical police flashlight with the larger sized cr123 doubled Rechargeable) to replace the double set. It has amazingky lasted heavily used over 15 years and still using it with 650 lumens light output. Seems companies don't seem to be fans of Rechargeable batteries for high output type devices light lights etc due to quicker loss of output over the typical desired power and life. They may feel they'd get more poor reviews and returns when people put Rechargeables in them. Also their are various Rechargeable with mixed results and actual quality issues and performers in that market that also could skew capability and premature working performance. Makes sense they would discourage rechargeableas. Also given these only use one of the smaller single cr123 battery in 5he TLR unlike the one I use mentioned above, where I replaced (actually at the show where I purchased it, they sold me the double sized to replace the 2 batteries the Tactical light called for.

[@andrewaustin2703]

This is one of the most comprehensive, clear, and concise product reviews/comparisons I have ever seen. Earned a sub.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks! Lots more content of this type up, with more coming!

[@Guyallknowing]

Put the stream in my 365legion. Love it, thank you for the work done here.

[@GeorgeLCostnza]

At the 3 minutes mark I came down to like and leave a comment and I see the top two comments are my thoughts exactly. Excellent video. I'll be looking through your other stuff as a result.

[@allen75201]

Awesome review. Thanks for taking the time to do this. I'm tempted to try one of your holsters just because you were so thorough in this review!

[@ernestshipman411]

Excellent review. I sold Surefire & Streetlight for 15 years & learned more in 10 minutes than any of my reps ever taught...

[@WerkzHolsters]

Well thank you for that feedback!

[@mattaltieri4130]

I agree with most of the previous comments. This is a great comparison and the best test, of a weapons light, that I've seen. Thank you for taking the time to put out such a thorough and comprehensive video.

[@TheAndrewdfd]

Loved how you guys were able to accurately measure light output. Never seen that in a review. Well done

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks much Andrew! We knew there had to be a better way... and it turns out that there is lab equipment to do just that!

[@donaldmei8797]

Great review. No fluff, just good solid info and comparisons with a bonus of actual data.

[@Pestacook]

yeah this was crazy thorough, which is the best way to be. instant sub

[@ray.d.oeaux1230]

An objective and thorough comparison. Well-done.

[@werunguns]

Extremely high quality video!

[@Ho0kiD213]

The price for the Trl 7 sub can’t be beat. Also the weight is a pro not a con. It will help you some what with the recoil.

[@jching808]

These are amazing comparison videos with practical tests. Keep the content coming!

[@WerkzHolsters]

John, thanks for the encouragement! New video is dropping tomorrow...stay tuned!

[@TDizzle5408]

Without question the best light reviews out there. Great work.

[@3lsydeon]

Clear, Concise, and non-bias real world testing and possible applicable scenario. All under 10 minutes. Great Video. I feel like Surefire is starting to be like Apple, Charge more for less just because they can and their name.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks for your feedback! I want all our light review or comparison videos to be fair, unbiased, and use data to come to conclusions.

[@marleymoskiat7275]

wow such an honest and thorough review. amazing job. i’m about to see what else is on the channel i may be subscribing

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks much! It's our way to give back to the firearms community!

[@tyler6147]

I found this video about a year late! LOL None the less I really like your presentation because I went back and forth on these lights before buying. I have been running the XSC for almost two years. I bought several extra batteries just in case as well. At the time both lights were really hard to come by. The TLR wasn't to be found yet when I had already bought the XSC. That said the XSC is in my opinion fine for conceal carry. In that regard 10 minutes is plenty for concealed carry. I also always carry another light source as well. If someone needs to change a tire in the dark I don't want to be waiving my pistol around. That said to me the run time difference is generally a non issue at least for my purposes. That said I am more than willing to learn about situations where a longer run time would be beneficial. I also would like to try the TLR7's switches to see if I prefer them or not.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I like having extra time for longer searching or having to hold someone after searching. Good on you for carrying an extra utility / defensive light. Blessings!

[@tyler6147]

@@WerkzHolsters Update: I bought a TLR-7 Sub on a whim. After doing a head to head comparison on my own to me I plan to switch to the Streamlight. My comparison has nothing to do with lumens or light output, but rather that the Streamlight has a lot better ergonomics. Basically I feel like I have a lot better control over light activation with the Streamlight without compromising my grip. I also really like the tactile buttons on the Streamlight over the Surefire. For me all the other 'pros' are good, but not really a tie breaker. The controls though--that to me is huge.

[@glassmw9823]

This confirms that I made the right choice with the TLR-7…these don’t even seem to be in the same category. And the Streamlight is a good bit cheaper than the XSC. Great video!

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thank you!

[@jayn8392]

Seriously LOVE LOVE LOVE my 365xl. I do happen to shoot the comparative glock model (can't remember the # designation) slightly better due to the wider grip but the xl carries SO well and I find the nice flat trigger to be more than usable. I took to wrapping the grip in a bit of that foam medical bandage wrap stuff they put on you when you get blood drawn to fatten it up and it helps it fill the hand a bit better and shoot just as well as the glock.

[@LilJeffeGamer]

Best comparison videos I've seen in a long time.

[@jason328d6]

Great video, thanks for the work you guys put in on this comparison. I’m happy I waited for the TLR7 sub. I’m running your holster on my 43xMOS after a trim from the 48 footprint down to the 43 I’m loving it.

[@timowens7214]

Love my 43x mos . Just got my 4 s15 mags couple weeks ago

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks for the feedback! We are working to put together some of the best data available on lights. And thanks for running our gear!

[@timowens7214]

@@WerkzHolsters thanks for a quality holster. Love my M6 for my 19x . Also added an extra mag carrier to it. My only complaint is that you guys don't offer a holster with a sidecar

[@WerkzHolsters]

Tim, that's great feedback. Yes, the Radius Mag carrier is a bit different than sidecar holsters, but performs a similar function. We've considered a dedicated AIWB design with the mag carrier. Your feedback helps influence us on where we go in the future!

[@jnelly814]

If you guys would get a sidecar style holster with the tlr7-sub youd have my business over t1c. Just saying

[@-starlight-88]

Great video and information - definitely helped with my next purchase. Thank you.

[@resonantfrequency8914]

Great and helpful review, but the spectrum analysis was mistaken. The X-axis was labeled "Frequency (NM)". Frequency is in Hertz, wavelength is in nanometers, and the numbers were definitely wavelength. Wavelengths in the 400s are blue light, so the 'left' side of that graph is actually the 'cooler' or bluer light. The flat top on the large hump for the TLR is probably topping out what the equipment can measure; there's no way that's the true curve of what's produced. Still, I applaud not only the standardized tests, but hard data to go with them.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thank you for the accurate and respectful feedback. I'll correct in the future.

[@ahnafkalam]

Just ordered a the TLR-7 Sub and this Werkz holster for my P365XL. No way I'm paying that much for the Surefire. Picked up my streamlight for $100 shipped on a Labor Day sale.

[@christopherrobin8134]

Gotta love a review channel that uses math and data

[@jeffrinehart7915]

Fantastic video! I'm definitely leaning towards the TLR-7 sub. 👍

[@smashedhulk8492]

Fantastic data and observations. Good work.

[@DrewRCR]

Thanks for the video, very informative and right to the point. Cheers.

[@joehelvey5794]

They make awesome holsters that feel like they index off of the light and the gun for a great lock up. The sub is impressive, tlr-7 power in smaller package for the same money. You can’t go wrong. The competition is that new Baldr S and it’s 800 lumens with same footprint as the Baldr Mini. Same bright green laser in the light too, rechargeable lights are amazing!

[@WerkzHolsters]

Excellent feedback Joe, thanks. We are making holsters for the Baldr S, and those will be available with the Baldr S launch. However, the Baldr S is somewhat larger than the Baldr Mini; I would say the Baldr S is between a compact and full size light. I don't think it's a great match for the subcompact pistols., and it doesn't fit properly on the factory P365 frame. I do wonder if Olight will be working on a light for subcompact pistols with proprietary rails (P365 / G43xMOS)...

[@austinnevitt7922]

Real good data. Keep it up what the consumer needs.

[@WerkzHolsters]

That's the plan, Lord willing! I have a bunch of material in production, so stay tuned.

[@CMH_1975]

I have the XSC on my XL and I'm perfectly happy with my purchase.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Excellent feedback!

[@CMH_1975]

@@WerkzHolsters no problem. You've tested them more in depth than me, but for a home defense gun, it lights up everything I need in my house. I have the new P365X for a carry gun now.

[@joshbeasley21]

@@CMH_1975 You bring up a excellent point. I recently had my home alarm go off in the middle of the night. I immediately grabbed my Shadow systems MR920 with surefire X300U, when I activated the light, it reflected off my TV and mirror blinding me for a couple seconds. I've since changed to a less powerful light for my nightstand handgun. Luckily it was a false alarm, but I learned a lot from it.

[@CMH_1975]

@@joshbeasley21 I have a X300 and that thing is silly bright and definitely too bright for inside the house.

[@andreadileo6267]

Such an amazing review. Man this is insane! Surefire or Streamlight should consider to hiring this man 😂

[@marcusaurelius9631]

Outstanding video. The best review Ive ever seen!

[@rosaparksdid9113]

Incredibly good video, thank you. I'll be buying one of your holsters for sure

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks so much for the positive feedback! We are hoping that thorough, unbiased, and quantifiable light reviews will help people choose what is right for their needs.

[@scottamy6496]

Very informative and interesting video, thank you very much!

[@gebeme11]

Man, you guys do a great job with these reviews!

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thank you! More content is in the werkz!

[@nightcat87]

Great reviews brother.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks for the positive feedback!

[@nightcat87]

@@WerkzHolsters Yeah, I keep looking up videos and your channel has been there with the information. I appreciate that. Much Love.

[@robbiecleighmarks3088]

Streamlight just has this market by the balls. price, durability, and performance as a whole cant be beat.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Streamlight is a consistent performer, and at a reasonable price. And if the comments are any indicator, there are a large number of qualified individuals running them.

[@hebrewhammer3503]

Amazing light review! Please do cloud defensive owl. Definitely subbing

[@WerkzHolsters]

I think the OWL should definitely be on our lab looks!

[@narutobroken]

This vid is fantastic. Would love to see other flashlight comparisons

[@WerkzHolsters]

We are always working on light content... stay tuned for more!

[@lordofentropy]

Excellent information here, definitely a well thought out and executed comparison. I love my Streamlight TLR-2, it feels solid, you just _know_ it's durable and quality. I can't imagine just what exactly Surefire must be doing so much better to warrant what is usually at least double the the price of a similar Streamlight given that Streamlight isn't slacking on quality construction. With these two models at least, it appears that Surefire really isn't doing anything at least in performance to justify (at this point in time on Optics Planet) its 2.5X price over the Streamlight.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks for your feedback!

[@robertsimmons1653]

I'll definitely be getting the TLR7 Sub when I pick up a Sig 365xl. I love my TLR1 HLs I have on my Glock 19 and M&P 2.0

[@WerkzHolsters]

I think that's a solid choice.

[@PARADIGMCREATIVEGROUP]

Absolutely fantastic! I’m going to buy a holster just cause you guys are so through

[@eudaem0n]

Awesome review. Exactly something I would have loved to have seen before I made my purchase. I'm still happy with my decision, but this should be super informative for others

[@WerkzHolsters]

We are hoping that this can help people make an informed decision. I can see reasons to run either of these lights.

[@CandidusMaximus]

Incredible review. Very well done!

[@jpromano_]

Awesome video!,

[@molonlabe8126]

Very impressive. Thank you for your experiences and the knowledge you share with us

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thank you for your encouragement!

[@joelbrown2427]

Are there people out there actually choosing a light with inferior output and a proprietary battery for nearly triple the cost?

[@thyagoalmeida843]

Fenomenal! Great job! Tnks for the video

[@mattconklin4026]

This is why I really like my olight pl mini 2 because of the switches. I have that light on my g43x non mos. It fits perfectly, i fixed the tlr7a to it but didn't care for the switches. They definitely went in the right direction! Thanks streamlight, take more of my money LoL

[@WerkzHolsters]

Switches are important for sure! I'm happy to see good competition in the light space -- it makes for better products for everyone!

[@alanalbright69]

Excellent video! Can't wait for more content.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Working on it!

[@betweenthebars19]

Great video!

[@queefersutherland8495]

I have a 77 620. Great truck

[@bryanwells8411]

Awesome work!

[@acme9538]

Seems to me both of these light are adequate given what the P365 was designed for . . . personal protection in close quarters, not long range shooting. People who say either one is not bright enough should simply consider a larger gun with a larger light. Given where technology is at the current moment, I personally feel both of the these are good 'reliable' choices. Sure, it's 'possible' to give off more light out of this size platform, but it may come at the cost of reliability which I'd never want to sacrifice when it comes to personal protection. I really like Surefire for it's size and ergonomics. . . that price is just a bit hard to stomach. Hoping the price comes down, or there is a sale at some point. Thanks for the great review.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thank you for the thoughtful comments. I tend to agree with you. I would always use more light if available, but given the state of technology (April 2022), these are the two best choices on the P365 IMO. I look forward to seeing how manufacturers push the technology going forward.

[@spearageddon3279]

Agree with others, this is an outstandingly detailed review! 👍👍 New sub.

[@coastemac]

Great comparison !!!

[@1971ahtom]

Great review.. thank you!

[@WerkzHolsters]

My pleasure!

[@charlesnorman353]

It says that you offer a holster with the xsc but I cannot seem to find it

[@axlplayer14]

I’d love to put a tlr 7 sub on my hellcat. I just need a holster…

[@hunterbidenscrackdealer3753]

Try MIE productions. I just ordered one for my 43x mos with the tlr7sub. I bet he makes one for it. I haven’t got it yet so can’t speak for quality yet. Just throwing out a place to check.

[@mrglock2002]

Great video

[@wbwills2]

Good video. Have the gun but no holster. Was not thinking about a weapon mounted light but might be now. The rail & adapters ect on 365 s turned me off. Decent options now so…?.thanks for your time.

[@WerkzHolsters]

You're right there are a number of aftermarket rail adapters, but those tend to put the light a little lower than I prefer -- the controls are less convenient. I agree that we now have two strong options. I suspect other manufacturers will also want to provide product in this hot subcompact pistol space as well.

[@franciscosantiago9032]

Can you guys cover the New Sig FOXTROT2 vs TRL-7 SUB? Foxtrot2 has more than twice the candela of the TRL-7 SUB with similar lumens, same size battery. It would be great how they measure up against each other and how much each last and their beam patterns, especially now that he P365 X Macro is out and will fit the Foxtrot 2

[@WerkzHolsters]

Yup! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqXTe6dsiNp9ras

[@mack7882]

Nice review, thanks. Have a TLR 7 Sub on backorder since March, will consider ordering a holster from you for my 43x MOS if my light ever ships. In other comments it's mentioned that your sight rail for night sights is large which is a plus to me since I put tall supressor sights on my Glock to cowitness with my Holosun.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks for the comments! We definitely support tall sights and optics if you ever go that way!

[@honkhonk1555]

@@WerkzHolsters are your light bearing holsters compatible with the phlster enigma?

[@WerkzHolsters]

@@honkhonk1555 We have an Enigma here and have attached the accessory holes to the Enigma mount. Our hole pattern is compatible. Our claw is perhaps a bit aggressive for the Enigma; some people may prefer to run without the claw. We will probably produce a video on it at some point. Hope that helps!

[@honkhonk1555]

@@WerkzHolsters please do fren. I’d be super interested.

[@mack7882]

@@WerkzHolsters Thanks, my lights on the way so just ordered an IWB holster from you.

[@hunterbidenscrackdealer3753]

Almost bought the surefire just because of reputation but after watching this a streamlight tlr7sub was ordered from Amazon. Not even a close comparison. And u can get 2 tlr7subs for the price of one surefire. Surefire sure screwed themselves on this one.

[@WerkzHolsters]

I think there are still reasons to get the Surefire, but Streamlight compares quite favorably for output as well as price.

[@Swampytheroot]

Nice presentation

[@thefirebert]

Very well done and informative video.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thanks!

[@TheDjSpeechless]

Great work!

[@davidhartley6232]

Thank you!

[@KENAHIGHLANDER]

Does anyone know where to get the correct KEY for the TLR7 sub?

[@Beltfedshooters]

I picked up a sub over at Battery Junction for $121 shipped. Way cheaper than the Surefire.

[@ikamfuey]

Will the holster/light combo fit well with the P365 380? Super interested.

[@eugenechurch6135]

It’s great that you can pair of these lights to each other. Why not use the X 300 to set a baseline. I can’t tell the difference through the camera

[@WerkzHolsters]

I think think the X300 is a fair comparison as it's not something that can be run on the P365 or G43x MOS. And the X300U would certainly beat both of these. If you want full lumen data, you can go to lowlightdefense.com/ and see the graphs, including for the X300U.

[@thejohnhend]

Damn nice review!

[@WerkzHolsters]

Thank you!

[@lazzerbassdrop8585]

I think the tlr7 sub is the superior light. I wish these companies would get away from these rechargeable lights. When s*** hits the fan who knows when you'll be able to recharge your light. For $20 I got a huge case of these 123a batteries.

[@travishernandez3947]

Do it got a brightness TLR 7 sub setting to bright it up high and low

[@harrystaley3289]

FWIW you can use rechargeable 123A batteries. They make them with recharge via Micro USB.

[@WerkzHolsters]

Very true. That gives the convenience of recharging for those who prefer that option!

[@movingtolagunaniguel]

I actually have a question.... Streamlight is telling me the TLR 7A Sub is NOT compatible as the 365 has no key rail so it won't mount. You and MANY others use the TLR 7 on the P365. Do you (and others) just feel it is secure enough without the key they recommend?

[@WerkzHolsters]

Sounds like they didn't understand your question. Their documentation clearly shows the TLR-7 Sub for P365 as Streamlight PN 69401: www.streamlight.com/docs/default-source/data-sheet/tlr-7-sub-data-sheet.pdf?sfvrsn=5c66b0f0_61 Note that the X-Macro is a different beast, but their 1913 version fits that. Hope that helps!

[@movingtolagunaniguel]

@@WerkzHolsters they clearly did not as I called again and spoke to another who confirmed the TLR 7 sub will in fact fit. Thank you!

[@WerkzHolsters]

@@movingtolagunaniguel Glad you got it cleared up!

[@momijibonsai]

Just goes to show, price doesn’t mean better. Only nice part about the surefire is the battery.

[@bingledorf]

man, surefire keeps getting btfo'd in these tests. gucci gear snobs drowning in copium. streamlight ftw i was planning to get a t1c holster for my 320xcom but seeing how much effort you put into these tests + the fact that you offer a holster for the tlr1hl, where t1c does not, i think i've changed my mind. i see many werkz in my collection in the future

[@WerkzHolsters]

If you do purchase from us, I would love to hear some honest feedback comparing our gear versus T1.

[@louie5781]

Why is the TLR-7 sub not available anywhere?

[@elijahcostello8321]

Do you think Streamlight will produce a light/laser combo for the TLR-7 sub?

[@WerkzHolsters]

I have no inside information, but I suspect it's possible they'll come out with a TLR-8 Sub with an integrated laser. I think the technology is there and easily adaptable if there is demand.

[@Trolldaddy5]

The only thing surefire has going for it is durability. And honestly the majority of their lights are under powered for the price. Like what good is a unbreakable light if it doesn't even light up what you need it to light up

[@WerkzHolsters]

Ken, I agree that the Surefire is durable, but check out our other videos for torture tests... many of the manufacturers have stepped up their games and made some -tough- lights.

[@pmorin313]

If ya want a WML thats damages your rail and will chew through your 365 module, the TLR7 SUB is your light! You can't tighten it down enough to prevent it from sliding on the rail and depending on where you place your support hand index finger any forward pressure while shooting will cause the mount to cut its way through the polymer. Until they figure out a way to secure this to the trigger guard avoid this light. Its a dumpster fire

[@Julianklaus]

​ FYI, Streamlight is working on a fix. Saw it on a Reddit by someone this morning. Make sure to reach out to Streamlight customer service to get added to the list when the new clamp is released so they can send it out. They said 2 to 3 Weeks.

[@pmorin313]

@@Julianklaus I did...he sent the 1913 hardware and a handheld HLX 1000 lumen hand held flashlight for my troubles....and if/when a fix occurs they'll exchange mine for the new style

[@pmorin313]

@@Julianklaus do you have a link to the reddit post?

[@johnramirez4747]

Will the holster fit the 1913 version of the TLR7 sub on a tactical development rail ?

[@WerkzHolsters]

Cannot imagine it would since the rail would put the light lower.

[@johnramirez4747]

@@WerkzHolsters damn

[@WerkzHolsters]

@@johnramirez4747 Sorry John!

[@Machria23]

Redo video with the TLR8

[@vikingrobot4179]

I absolutely hate the TLR 7 sub on my p365 xl. The light buttons hinder my trigger guard and is a big issue and too bulky when practicing draw, purchase and trigger acquisition . If it went forward a bit more on the rail it may be okay but I don’t like it.

[@thedude3189]

Surefire just needs to drop their price, I get it but they ain't the only ones with a good name.

[@lcusatis]

Phenomenal.

[@aznazguy]

Can you comment on how tall the sight channel area of the M6 holster is above the slide? I'm a fan of plenty of clearance and I like having the loops or hooks outbound on the sides rather than stacked on the middle, but ever since someone pointed out how the M6 seemed to have an excessive dimension in that area, I keep focusing on that and it's holding me back from choosing that holster. In this case, the configuration is a G48 MOS TLR-7 SUB, but I may get that light for a P365 as well. Is there a rationale for how large the M6 is past both the top of the slide and the mounting holes? It seems way taller than any suppressor sights I've ever seen so maybe there's a good reason.

[@WerkzHolsters]

EDIT: Our owner is about to answer this a bit more in-depth than I. Give him just a second to finish his response! Great question! We've had a lot of customers run tall sights that are above standard. I believe our last measuring is that the sight channel is about 1/2 an inch in height total in exterior. Not only will this allow for practically any sights to be run, but we haven't found any issue of comfort while using the holster either. By adding a .1" or .2" extra height to these holsters from our previous designs, they're more accessible for everyone, without coming with any severe cons. Our tests have come with no issues in concealment, comfort, or security. That said - if you pick it up and don't like it, please note that we have a 30 day return policy. Just send us an email and we can get it back! Hope that helps!

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Excellent insightful question. We try to trim all the extra unnecessary material from our holsters, keeping them as small as they can be while still performing their job. That's why we fully undercut the trigger guard area, more so than most others. We can still get good lockup and reduce "rock" for the holstered pistol or pistol/light without that extra material. Our sight channel has become a bit taller in the last year. We have found that by adding some distance between the fold and the top of the slide, we reduce the chance that a holster is retaining on the slide. We want your slide to be able to rack while holstered without interference. We had found that due to manufacturing tolerances on some pistols, aftermarket slides, and coatings, we could have some unwanted friction on the slide. By moving the fold a little further from the top of the slide, we benefit from a little more flex, and less sensitivity to those differences. (Note: Glock slides are incredibly consistent, but aftermarket, coatings, and other pistol manufacturers can vary widely.) We have not noticed any difference while wearing the holster. On a Glock G19, I measure ~21mm from top of slide to inner radius of the fold. I could pull maybe 4mm of that out before the fold has a chance of deforming the slide accessory holes. One other note is that we spend a lot of time trying to get a click for holster retention on pistols with lights, plus we work to have the pistol not rattle in the holster, or "rock" when holstered. Getting the right amount of support on the slide is a necessary part of that. We would reduce that sight channel height if we could do so reliably across the range of pistols and pistol modifications our customers use. If you would like to talk more about this, or any design features you would like to see in our gear, feel free to call customer service. They would take your number and I could call you at some point in my day.

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@@WerkzHolsters Thank you for the response Shane. I shared it on the thread over on Reddit where I'd seen it mentioned. www.reddit.com/r/Glocks/comments/nsw9t8/werkz_holster_for_43x_with_trl7sub/

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@@aznazguy Thanks much!

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@@Pler1978 What brand is the other one?