Surfing Explained: Ep12 Choosing a Longboard Outline - Wide Point Back/ Center / Forward

[@mikewagemann4129]

Im going to play this for my wife, when she asks me why i need three long boards. Thank you for helping articulate and understand my argument better. looking for a pure nose rider, now I know exactly what i want. Add in a hatchet fin and I'm golden!

[@tylerdurden5122]

Only three?😂😂

[@nickcunningham7876]

This is the best video on this subject. Thanks for referencing boards available today for each shape. Very helpful

[@frannois]

every week I impress the line up with my new found surf knowledge. People are so impressed that they sometimes even give me their waves. Thanks surf simply for making me a better surfer in and out of the water.

[@SurfSimply]

Haha well that’s a bonus! Thanks for watching JF!

[@harrison2280]

Man, this is amazing! Love the breakdown of the different shapes/styles

[@StokedForTravel]

Awesome breakdown guys - much appreciated 🤙

[@SurfSimply]

Thank you for watching!

[@marcuspotter1265]

Probably best video I’ve watched, hands down

[@SurfSimply]

Thank you Marcus

[@wijakphu1983]

Oh, now i totally know why .... Huge thanks.

[@LongboardSessions]

Very helpful thanks! Exactly what I was looking for

[@nannaulse6256]

Awesome video since I want to step up from my fun board and get properly into longboarding. Thanks to this video, I have found 2 options. One is a 9’0 triple stringer made out of PU that is fairly new, and the other is a 9’6 epoxy triple stringer that is about 10 years old and weighs a bit more. What would you recommend for a fairly novice surfer like me? I really hope to hear from you 🤞🏻🥳

[@drunk3n_m0nk12]

I wish I would have had this recommended a week ago. I just picked up my first longboard. I rode short boards growing up but I'm coming back to surfing after a 15 year break. I'm rusty overall but a total beginner when it comes to longboards. Thankfully, through blind luck the board I picked up has the wide point forward.

[@HappyChillmore]

Sick thank you for this. I just bought a wide point back board

[@markm7632]

Great explanation, thanks for sharing this info. I was thinking about a pig outline, but now understand this won't be suitable for my ability or wave type

[@GregPentecost]

Excellent video! It's funny that you title this about longboards... It seems to apply to a broader spectrum of boards that just longboards. I seem to like the wide point forward on my longboards (Tyler Riddler, etc.) and my mid-length boards (Aipa - Big Boy Stinger, Dewey Weber - Feather Fastback, Torq - Don XL, etc.) Not that I didn't LOVE my Velzy Pig! It was just a different experience. It also appears that many of the shortboard shapes are wide-point back or maybe middle. Would love to hear your take on this regarding mid-length, fun and short-boards. Thanks! Been watching SS for over a decade.

[@joaoluis3678]

Hey Surf Simply!! First of all, huge congratulations about what you have been doing for the last years.. Would be nice to see a video about: - hunting zone - the difference between take off on white water and green waves - some techniques to do a pop-up more consistent (my feet never land in the right place :p) - 2 ways pumping / linking target / Vertical bottom turn Maybe it was too much.. ahah Aloha from Portugal ;)

[@SurfSimply]

Thank you for the suggestions João!

[@surfielgil7348]

Very well explained greattt video guys !! Awesome!!1

[@pierswoo76]

Great information really clearly presented! Love longboarding when its 2ft glassy and just breaking - theres nothing like that glide, don't love trying to strap 9ft + of board on to my scooter though! I see far too many inexperienced surfers on longboards nowerdays I think they should be looked at as the same experience level as HP shortboards (for many reasons including danger to other surfers 9ft board 9ft leash = 18ft foot of heavily glassed carnage), too many learners jump straight on to a longboard and just want to learn to cross step (I guess instagram is to blame here) and never get good paddle power, turning ability, wave reading ability and confidence in bigger and/or steeper conditions. I think if you can shortboard fairly well longboarding is fairly easy to pick up and so much fun - theres no coincidence that really good longboarders also rip on small boards too!

[@rantes100]

Have you seen the Meyerhoffer longboard? I’ve had the “peanut” for close to 10 years and it is a delight! It has a wide nose, a narrow waist, a wide tail that ends in a sharp pin tail... It carves like a short board and nose rides like a champ!!! You should look it up online, it is a true masterpiece!

[@davidgough3512]

Me too. Riding it feels like cheating. Tons of lift and pivot in the back. The tail extension is weirdly loose yet holds like an extra, "horizontal fin". It's a super wide board, but the narrowed middle makes it easy to carry, straddle and paddle. I love it.

[@berniehughes4422]

I agree! I have the Meyerhoffer XYZ which they have cut the fat off the nose to reduce the swing weight on turns. It turns on a dime as they say. It may look strange and I have replaced the super light epoxy version with a fibreglass board but it is a lot of fun!

[@codyborn99]

I've been surfing the 9'6"Tipping Point by Meyerhoffer. Highly recommend.

[@brett7794]

My break is a East Coast fast close out beach break with some gems but u have to be fast enough to get in them and stay out Infront of them what board would do better

[@richardbrown986]

Will a width forward longboard still have a lil rocker ?

[@barclaysauers255]

And then you have the very unique hydrodynamic rail of the long lost but not quite forgotten 'Morey SWIZZLE'. God Bless Tom Morey!

[@josemiguelsanchofonfria7104]

Hi!!! Very interesting videos!!! 🤔 I have a question... Moving the wide point of the board front or back we are modifying the position of the center of gravity of the board that defines the mecanics of the board. Moving the wide point of the board we are changing the outline of the board too but what about keeping the same outline but changing center of gravity position by using different core materials or by adding some balast? And what about doing the same thing on a short board?

[@SurfSimply]

By the time we add a rider and total the weight of both rider and surfboard, the boards actual weight/ center of gravity is a tiny percentage of the total so it's impact is very little.

[@jamesdiola4773]

Hi. What do you think about the outline of the stewart redline 11 vs takayama in the pink? Im a beginner surfer looking to improve my skills. Surf typical beach breaks here in NJ. Thank you so much.

[@SurfSimply]

Hi James, as a beginner I would recommend the one with the most volume, rather than getting tangled up with outlines. You want paddle efficiency and stability most of all and a larger board will provide that. Plus the more waves you catch and have the chance to ride the faster you will progress. Once you become more focused on maneuvers/ maneuverability over speed/ stability; then think about outline - and at that point a wide point center will give you a helpful mix of both. Good luck with your progress, Coach Will.

[@jamesdiola4773]

@@SurfSimply thank you so much for the input. As both boards are a bit pricy, i wanted to make sure i make the right purchase. I pretty much am able to catch all the waves that i paddle into using my 9ft odysea soft top with single fin and trim down the line. I think im leaning more towards the in the pink 9’2 as an all rounder here in my loca surf breaks if that makes sense. Thanks again coach and i appreciate the input.

[@ppg612]

LOVE this channel! Big thanks for sharing!! Question: @5:20, what's the difference between a pivotal turn and a carving turn? I kind of mixed up >"

[@SurfSimply]

Hi Tzu, a pivoting turn is made with the board mostly staying flat on the surface, where as a carving turn leans onto one rail which grips the wave face. Carving turns maintain more speed and are more technical so are typically more desirable. For context, performance shortboards and professionals are only doing carving turns, so when you see John John Florence making a big cutback, he is on the rail doing a carving turn.

[@ppg612]

@@SurfSimply Got it~~Thank you for the detailed explanation!!

[@jamesrosen2634]

hello SS. If I only use a center fin on my longboards, is there any advantage of choosing a new board with just a single fin box? In other words, do unused side fin boxes create a disadvantage? Thanks

[@SurfSimply]

Hello James, an unused fin box wouldn’t make any real noticeable difference.

[@patriciabeekwilder155]

Hi there, I would suggest you to not use acronyme here... as the one you used is making a reference to a Nazi corps. I guess you did not realize it. This is still a big subject in my area so that it why I reacted ;)

[@nathantotman6663]

White Point front noserider Tennille 3 1/2 inch thick it's for my stroke that's why?

[@shugo33]

Thank you for sharing!

[@SurfSimply]

Absolutely, and thanks for watching!

[@displanroyer]

Thank you Will! Knowledge is barrels!

[@SurfSimply]

So true Jim! Hope you got some waves during the California swell recently!

[@leobuss8350]

Thanks Will!

[@SurfSimply]

Thank YOU Leo, hope you’re getting some waves up in Sebastian. How is the banana crop doing?

[@ccoovvii]

Please do this topic on midlengths!

[@SurfSimply]

Thanks for the suggestion ccoovvii!

[@madsteeez]

Wide point back with lots of rocker ❤️. I don't want to do nose rides.. I want to do turns

[@tonybeatbutcher]

Ohh yeaah, my topic!!! 🥳🥳 🤙🤙

[@SurfSimply]

Tha is Tony! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@tonybeatbutcher]

​@@SurfSimply Question: When you noseride, what does a larger tail fluent dynamically do? At noseriding the back of the board is covered with water, with a clasic longboard the tail is lager plus it can be concaved on the tail at the top of the board, the bottom of the tail is than belly. Does it hold's more water like that ? Also I'm wondering less drive makes the board better noseride ?

[@stellet00]

amazing video!!!!

[@SurfSimply]

Thank you Mateus!

[@gsmarin1]

If Mike Casey is still shaping on the North Shore of Oahu, fly there im-fucking-mediately and have him shape you a single fin, square tailed 9’2”. He learned from Brewer & Diffenderfer. My board from him would flex off bottom turns and snap with acceleration and practically throw you onto the nose where it would lift you up thru sections and accelerate yet again. It was insane at Rocky Point, small Pipe, Makaha, and in Town.

[@happinessandmoney4842]

Helpful

[@scottybeegood]

good stuff

[@Goomer]

Thanks

[@Durtydee904]

Damn good video

[@beachsidebooy]

Thanks